Ref robbed Boks - UK scribes

2011-10-10 08:13

RWC Mediawatch with Rob Houwing

Cape Town – Two rugby writers representing a renowned broadsheet in neutral England have strongly attacked referee Bryce Lawrence, claiming his breakdown liberties influenced the outcome of the World Cup quarter-final in Australia’s favour over South Africa.

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The defending champions bowed out 11-9 despite dominating vast portions of the nail-biting Wellington encounter on Sunday, and Lawrence found himself in the firing line from both Mark Reason and Brendan Gallagher of the Daily Telegraph newspaper.

It tends to be a fairly measured organ, but Reason in particular pulled no punches over New Zealander Lawrence’s hotly-debated officiating of the key breakdown area.

“Lawrence made a complete hash of the game ... and the Springboks will be furious,” he wrote.

“They identified the breakdowns as a crucial area of the match beforehand, but they did expect there to be some sort of reffing.

“The South Africans thought that the tackler would have to release the ball-carrier. They thought that the off-side line would be respected. They thought that men would have to stay on their feet. Instead it was a shambles.

“Yes, the Springboks are nothing like as efficient at the contact area without the great Juan Smith to clean out. But unless the IRB’s refs get a grip we are going to have some really dull semi-finals.

“Hopefully the guys who can really get a grip at the breakdown – the South African and Northern Hemisphere refs – will be put in charge of the final four matches.

“South Africa will feel cheated and they have every right to complain.”

Gallagher, meanwhile, lent his weight to the argument, saying that Lawrence had “horribly laissez faire control of the breakdown which saw (Wallaby open-sider) David Pocock seemingly offend at will”.

*Even leading Australian scribes acknowledged that the Wallabies had wriggled out of jail on Sunday, with the Sydney Morning Herald’s Greg Growden penning an online piece under the headline “Australia tame far superior Springbok side”.

He said that “sheer determination, courage, incredible will power and enormous belief” had pulled the Wallabies through.

“(They) could not get the ball. The Springboks had it all night, and were granted endless opportunities to put this game away. But no ... the Wallabies just would not let them through.”

He contrasted the performances of flyhalf Quade Cooper and fetcher Pocock: “Cooper was way off, looking jittery and appearing as if the relentless New Zealand public pressure had got to him ... (but) Pocock showed he is the heart and soul of the Australian team, producing a phenomenal effort around the park.”

*An interesting perspective on the Bok game-plan in the quarter-final came from Hamish Bidwell of the NZ-based Waikato Times.

“The Springboks strangely abandoned the football which has made them their name: rather than pummel the Wallabies into submission, South Africa shifted the ball at virtually every opportunity.

“It was laudable stuff, just not especially effective. They were more dangerous on the kick and chase.

“Opportunities were created (with the expansive approach), most notably Jean de Villiers putting Pat Lambie away for what should have been a brilliant try. Only the final transfer was forward, as if to demonstrate how much running and passing just aren’t part of their skill-set.”

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  • Al-Meister - 2011-10-10 08:21

    Why did we not have a Northern Hemisphere ref? Clearly the NZ ref didn't want the stronger team to play the All Blacks in the semi-final!

      BCC - 2011-10-10 08:22

      SA was considered by NZ to be the more favourable semi final opponent so i'm not sure where you are coming from.

      Dave - 2011-10-10 08:37

      @BCC After Sunday's game, there is no doubt that NZ are breathing a sigh of relief that they will meet Oz in the semi instead of SA. If you analyse ALL of the match officials for the 1/4 finals - there was no neautral group of officials in any of the games. If I were NZ, I would have been very worried that there was an SA touch judge and SA TMO for their semi. Anyway, the weekend is history, so I sincerely hope we see some proper, impartial reffing in the semis and the final and if Oz go on to win, well done Australia.

      werner.smidt - 2011-10-10 08:45

      We don't consider you, BCC, so it's all good ;-)

      MAXIMUS - 2011-10-10 08:49

      Ahhh schweet!!! The stronger team got knocked out, what a cruel world, sad sad day... ;)

      wood - 2011-10-10 09:26

      You guys live in cloud cuckoo land.The AB's would much rather have faced the Boks in the senis than Oz.You are so one dimensional that we know how to play against you.Oz is another story so please understand Lawrence did us no favours at all.

      Bokvirsport - 2011-10-10 10:04

      Bryce Lawrence had a bet on the Aussies after the Springboks became the favorites to win it last week….

      Buffalo - 2011-10-10 10:31

      wood? Is that what is between your ears. A resurgent Springbok side is more feared than a bunch of aussie cheats. No NZ ref - no aussie victory. Plain and simple - just like you.

      Isabel - 2011-10-10 12:19

      So true hey.. we were the best team....Man of the MATCH....... Lawrance!!!!!!!!

      BigRed - 2011-10-10 16:17

      English commentators hate the Aussies almost as bad as they hate the Welsh. So I would not believe what the English press says. Here is an example of Burger who should have got a red card for this act alone: Not good no matter how many times you look at it.. Also notice how slow the number 5 was to arrive on the scene. Burger besides getting at least a yellow or even a red for this act didn't even give away a penalty. The problem with the Boks was poor selections and poor coaching. Even the most diehard Boks supporter know that Bismark should have been the starting number 2 and not Smit. If you're just trying to bury your sorrow by blaming the ref you're not going to get to the nitty gritty of the real problem. If I was a Bok supporter I would be pleading for the recall of Jake White.

      Joost1963 - 2011-10-10 16:25

      NZ lost very recently at home againts the Wallaby's..

      PCW - 2011-10-10 17:15

      BigRed has some good points. After the game I was bitterly disapointed but I seriously did not blame the ref, because we should have taken our opportunities, of which there where many. If Lambie's kick went over we have been saying 'great game'. Heinrich's injury was a bitter blow as we lost our 'Pocock'. We were too dependant on him alone and although we had a great bench, we lost the continuity. DIE HARD BOK FAN.

      aman - 2011-10-10 17:28

      Big Red, did you read what the English press said about the SA VS Samoa game?

      Blip - 2011-10-10 22:04

      Joost -- NZ last lost to Australia in Brisbane, and also last year in Hong Kong.

      BigRed - 2011-10-10 22:36

      Aman - no sorry I haven't read the report, but I will if you give me the link. Jake White is in the same mold as Gatland, he is his own man and would scour SA for the best team. No one can convince me that the SA team in this years RWC was the best available in SA. Gatland was sold quite a few dummies by various coaches in Wales. He ignored them all and picked his own team, some of the boys were completely unknown not only internationally but also in Wales. Look at the result. Div wouldn't know talent if it was put right in front of him, hence sticking to the old boys from 2007. I know SA have better players and they should have been selected ahead of the old boys, bring back Jake White before 2015 and build another great SA team.

      LFK - 2011-10-11 06:42

      Fully agree with Al-Maister. Maybe our friend Paddy O'Brian had something to do with it. Springboks always get the worsts of the ref's as the best refs all come from SA. The AB's can always bargain on a good ref. This weekend Joubert will punish Pocock and Paddy knows that. How's that for a new conspiracy theory

  • Timothy - 2011-10-10 08:24

    Bryce Lawrence and the other officials were all in it together. Disgusting!

      brett.macdonald1 - 2011-10-10 10:09

      We will continue to see bad and biased reffing as long as there is no recourse against these refs. I think that a Citing Committee needs to be set up in a similar way was is used for players who transgress- along with fines and suspensions… After a game players and coaches should be able to cite a ref who must then face a disciplinary board and action taken.

      Warick Winter - 2011-10-10 11:23

      @Ozzymate, your either an Australian who is such an outcast that you are browsing South African websites as you don't belong in your own country. Or your an ex South African who is still trying to convince himself that his move to Australia was the right decision. Either way you sound like a wanker!

      Ryan - 2011-10-10 14:55

      Bryce didnt pass the ball forward. speaking of which, how did JDV manage to pass it forward after doing all the hard work before ??? thats like kindergarten stuff. anyway, he still had a good game

      wombles - 2011-10-10 15:43

      hey sheila you want to make a bet that kok won't steal 2 balls vs the all blacks will probably get carded not a lot of journalists covering the wc including aussie writers thought that Lawrence was "ok"

      James Flames - 2011-10-10 17:27

      @Ozzymate You guys beat us at our own game :) Respect

  • Deon - 2011-10-10 08:27

    John Smit should also be held accountable how can you have the countries best interest at heart when you let the best hooker in the world sit on the bench. I also agree with Stransky when he said that no side has defended the trophy as they tend to take the old guys who won the last one to the next one. It seems like a special reward to play in the next one. Does anyone watch channel 231 espn classic got old springbok games on there. In those days 1. Habana could beat or run round a guy in a telephone booth - now he falls over his own feet. 2. Du preez best scrumhalf in the world speed to burn look at the England game 0-36 how many gaps he took - today can someone tell me if he made one break, he looks slow. 3. Smit good captain in 2007 had respect of the players - 2011 how do you get guys to follow when they all know Bismark is the best hooker in the world. 4. Danie great tackle in the final 2007 - sorry never rated him and I think he's still playing because of that tackle (LOL). 5. Spies should be an impact player off the bench once Alberts has softend them up.

      Met - 2011-10-10 08:43

      While unreasonable to expect a hooker to compete equally with a loose forward, Bismarck du Plessis should have been brought on, the moment Brussouw went off, SAs fetcher. Flo was simply not in the same class as Pocock, even though the latter did get away with murder. Lawrence should never again be allowed near a rugby match- even as a spectator.But, having said that, SA did not use its opportunities- fact

      Johnny-BB - 2011-10-10 08:49

      ...poor team selection the cause of all the problems.... ...thank you PDV..!! ........Go All Blacks..!!!

      Neles - 2011-10-10 10:28

      @Johnny-BB - lol, you're trying too hard, if you're going to troll, at least do it in a less transparent manner

      jacques - 2011-10-10 11:29

      Deon, sounds like you should apply for the coaching job - like most SA supporters you know more of the game than the players themselves?

      Derek - 2011-10-10 15:31

      I've lost all respect for John Smit due to his determination to play and manipulation of the coaching staff to ensure this happened , at the expense of the best hooker in the world, Bismark! In the crunch super 15 game when the Sharks beat the Bulls at Loftus Plumtree did not even use Smit as a sub, enough said! Where is your integrity Smit!

      RandomDude - 2011-10-10 16:04

      What the hell, the only thing you can say about JS in this game is that he should have taken the 3 points for the PK when he had the chance . The Old player destroyed young Oz and the only reason OZ won is because the free for all a the breakdown favored the defending team .

  • Ya Beauty! - 2011-10-10 08:27

    Why do we not have professional refs in a professional sport. 2 Why does a ref get to be involved in a match that will have an outcome on which team his country will play within the next game 3. Why do we not have clear rules on how refs are chosen before the start of the tournament 4. Why does the IRB not come out and say they want NZ to win they knew the Boks would have beaten the ABs hence a kiwi ref in Boks game,

      Roman Moroni - 2011-10-10 09:00

      Refs are professional mate, do your homework.

      Shistirrer - 2011-10-10 09:46

      Roman Moron, a professional ref would (1) know his rules, (2) apply them correctly, and (3) be neutral. Lawrence scores 0/3. Professional ref, no. Professional cheat, yes.

      Jacko - 2011-10-10 10:17

      BCC - you're a moron mate. You know deep down that you're much happier to be facing the Wallabies than the Boks in the semi's. At least now you have a sniff.

      jacques - 2011-10-10 11:32

      It has been an SA thing since i was born 46 years ago - "BLAME THE REF"

      Airborne68 - 2011-10-10 11:40

      Hey Roman Moron, Bryce Lawrence is no proffessional, he's a cnut!

      Dwerg - 2011-10-10 13:37

      @BCC - We'll see how it goes with Cruden at 10 =D Slade would still do it, but Cruden truly is a third string fly-half that most other teams wouldn't even call up in an emergency

      Baaspiet - 2011-10-10 17:17

      @ Ya Beauty - I have been saying this all the time. I got the feeling that it was decided way before the RWC started that it is now the AB chance to win the trofee agian.

      aman - 2011-10-10 17:41

      jaques, I'm not saying that you're wrong, we tend to bitch about the ref too often. BUT in 1999, we were considered unlucky not to go forward to the semis - I don't recall anyone blaming the Ref. In 2003, we were just frikkin useless - I don't recall anyone blaming the ref then either. I recall in 2007 the All Blacks blaming the ref - and rightly so. Did you watch the game, full 80 minutes. I didn't believe that the boks would win it or even get as far as the semi's, but from what I saw, I definitely do blame the ref for a large part in this defeat. The fact that the boks could not finish off was irrelevant. Early tackles, late tackles, high tackles, hands in, obstruction - all close to the goal line, and you are going to tell me that a ref's(there are 3 of them) can't see any of that happening? Yet they could see the infringement at the lineout from Rossouw?

  • StBad - 2011-10-10 08:27

    We can all be bitter, but we did have our chances... this team would've toppled a weakening NZ side (ex. Carter, Muliaina, Slade) and there's no chance a French or Welsh side would've pipped us in the final; sadly not to be but the future looks rosy!

      BCC - 2011-10-10 08:32

      Absolutely no show that this SA side would have beaten the mighty ABs. Out in the quarters again for SA, how embarrassing for the self proclaimed champions.

      umkhombo - 2011-10-10 08:42

      @BBC, yawn, such an obvious troll..

      theprodigy - 2011-10-10 09:00

      Agree StBad, we had our chances & we lost the game ourselves, the Boks played complete rugby & could have gone all the way had it not been for a couple of minor errors that cost us dearly, but if we can be such a good team despite our coach, what can the Boks do when we have a good coach & more luck, wow the skys the limit...good bye PdV, we have suffered long with you & now its time for the Boks to get a real coach & not a political placement.

      Brandewijn - 2011-10-10 10:07

      BCC - is it self proclaimed if you have the trophy???? we are the champions still and will remain champions till the new ones are crowned in 2 weeks time. The AB's might be mighty but so are the BOKS!! I wont claim that we would have beaten the AB's but I think we would have been better competition that the Wobblies. We should have a yellow card system for refs as well. There is an official watching a TV surely he can inform the official when he is having a bad game. Like a coach can replace a player having a bad day at the office, so should the ref be replaced when he is having one. And did the AB's not lose in the quarters at the previous world cup??? just asking?? So what will happen to Lawrence now???? Just a tap on the knuckles followed by a beer with O'Brian???? Seriously, there should be severe penalties on such blatantly bad officiated games. What are the IRB going to do about it???? SARU must demand action to be taken. Not that it will bring the cup back but just to have some justice.

      Jacko - 2011-10-10 10:20

      BCC - how many RWC trophies have you got? Would you need help with the maths? Let's go have a beer.............

      Dan - 2011-10-10 14:50

      BCC don't get too cocky mate. Wales plays better rugby than the AB's currently. Do the sums. Wales could very easily have beaten SA and they did comprehensively bundle Ireland out of the RWC who incidentally beat Australia convincingly. Without Carter to think and kick for the AB's and the choker albatross around your necks I will not be surprised if Wales or even France does the job at the finals. That is if the "mighty" AB's can get past Pocock. And another thing d.ckhead, we are not self proclaimed champions. The only self proclaimed champions are the "mighty" AB's who is hailed as the best team in the world at every RWC but erm never quite make it thru it seems.

      Unskinny Bob - 2011-10-10 22:59

      @BCC: Self proclaimed? Who won the last world cup? Moron.

  • mike881 - 2011-10-10 08:29

    Once again pathetic refereeing is highlighted and once again Paddy "one-eyed" O'Brian will turn a blind eye as long as the overall effect benefits the AB's (strongly feel they would rather face Oz than the Bokke in the next round). Time for an overhaul of the officiating system, as sure supporters winge when their team loses, but bad refs remain bad refs who hide behind the system!

      StaalBurgher - 2011-10-10 09:49

      lol, I think BCC was beaten up as a child by some South African kid... he has such a hard on for us. Sad but funny. You can get professional help for your anger, BCC.

  • call a spade - 2011-10-10 08:31

    Now if the IRB do not maake use of technology after this fiasko we will have to believe they want to hide the truth and manipulate referees to influence the outcome of games. It is absolutely ridiculoues having TV camers all over the pitch and not use them.For heavens sake.

      Fred - 2011-10-10 10:17

      Like the penalty kicked by the Welsh that clearly looked between the posts.

      TextOfReason - 2011-10-10 11:49

      You know Fred, I kinda wished we faltered in that game and came second in the pool like Aus did. Maybe then we would have at least had a chance to play a real match when the quarter finals came. I've always had a problem with Lawrence but this last match took it too far, even incompetence fails to explain his decisions. And for anyone who thinks that the IRB are beyond manipulating the results... please wake up and ask why a whole lot of the top ten refs in the world are sitting at home in South Africa.

      RandomDude - 2011-10-10 16:42

      aus_beats_sa , enjoy your hollow victory . Your trolling would have been much more effective if we and the rest of the world didn't know who the real losers are . You'll be welcoming your pathetic team home soon enough.

      Peter Duval - 2011-10-10 18:48

      Why on earth would they want to use technology and close the door to game fixing? You gotta be kidding?

  • sonnyg - 2011-10-10 08:32

    I thought the boks were playing in the rugby union world cup and not the rugby Lawrence World Cup. It was a shocking performance from the ref especially since the Paddy, IRB and the kiwis having been asking for years that the attacking team should be rewarded and here we had Lawrence doing the opposite. I have been very disappointed with the standard of reffing this whole world cup. Joubert has been really the only class act. I cant understand why good refs like vinny munroe and mark Lawrence have not been appointed as ref's for the WC.

      Gabiba - 2011-10-10 11:54

      yep. Joubert has been outstanding. Still representing SA w/ pride @ RWC2011 :). Im so proud of the Boks. Heartbroken but proud. They call our style of rugby ugly and when we play expansive rugby, they cheat us. Shows how scared they are of us. I HOPE Lawrence officiates in our next Test match. For that match, we pick BEES ;)

      Shistirrer - 2011-10-10 13:44

      You know, I kind of feel sorry for the All Blacks. They will probably now win the competition, but I'd rather not win, than know I did not win fair and square. Victory will be meaningless - even if they are crowned champions, will they REALLY be the champions? Honestly?

      aman - 2011-10-10 17:46

      You recon Mark Lawrence is good - the optician who has never been to an optician?

  • Anneleen - 2011-10-10 08:32

    Bokke, you are heroes...Victor Matfield...a tower of strength in the lineouts, Habana for playing on, after two horrendous just can't keep a good man down! Steyn, for attempting those two long-range penalties. I am not going to say a lot about Lawrence, except for...Bryce = RWC Plonker. I should think his name should be engraved on the William Webb Ellis cup, next to the 2011 winner. Bokke, stand strong, have a safe journey back to your homeground and know you are a great example of sportmanship. Go Bokke!

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-10-10 09:07

      @BCC - not sure why your heart should bleed for us old chap? As far as I know, we are still the WC's for another 2 weeks. Can you with 100% certainty say that the AB's WILL be the champs in 14 days time? Watching them against the Argies, and reading about after hours drinking and smoking by a few AB's - I wouldn't start crowing just yet.......jumping the gun and all that......

      Foura - 2011-10-10 11:08

      @ BCC - Remember, the Boks still have the best RWC Record - 2/5 ! And history is going to repeat itself: 1987, where Auzzies were beaten into 4th place by Wales. Ab - 1, France - 2, Wales 3, Wooly-Bugger-Auzzies - 4. I'm going to enjoy that 3rd - 4th place game, unless Bryce L is the ref again - Go Wales.

  • Grunk - 2011-10-10 08:33

    You know that; we know that; and we all knew that at some stage we were going to get a ref(s) who was going to be anti-bok. But did we pick a side that included a few game-breakers? No, we left those either in South Africa or warming their arses on the bench for 60 minutes.

      Grunk - 2011-10-10 13:00

      I have to laugh. Way back in June I blogged the following because Lawrence had been appointed to ref the Super Final'. I think the point remains valid? ..but will any notice be taken of it by the Referees' societies or SANZAR? Referees should be judged in open review by panels of ex-players from all provinces and scored accordingly not by "Old Boys" networks who don't want their "profession" embarrassed by the rank amateurism shown by many (most?) of them. Given sufficient support by the fans, perhaps these panels would be able to initiate a program of better training for referees and and ranking structure which reflects a more accurate picture of their capabilities. Bryce Lawrence whistling the Final - I shake my head at this lot!

  • PnutGallery - 2011-10-10 08:35

    Bryce Lawrence studies 2 rule books one for the Aussies and one for SA. His @ss will be covered by Paddy in any case ! Perhaps he was thinking of the sheep the Aussies and Paddy will be sending him so he can retire of being a ref !

  • amabok - 2011-10-10 08:36

    He certainly won't be spending any vacations in SA, and for the sake of his health, the IRB best not be giving him any assignments in SA for the remainder of his career.

  • Yip - 2011-10-10 08:37

    So Correct but this will not change anything! Bryce Lawrence rather not come to SA next year for the S15!!!!!!

  • Chief Kok - 2011-10-10 08:38

    Jammer om van die bokke se stront te hoor. Tyd om aan te beweeg. Die wereld wag vir Richie McCaw om die beker te lig. Welkom terug bokke.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-10-10 09:00

      As die AB's nie NOU die beker wen, dan weet ek nie. Hulle gaan nooit 'n beter kans kry nie.....ek hoop net hulle na-uurse suipery en rokery gooi nie 'n spanner in the works.... Dagg, Jane, Guildford ens. En snaaks @Kok - ek is hengse trots op my span, hulle het hul DNA op die veld gelos vir die cause, and THAT my friend is good enough for me. Sterkte met jou span, if it is to be their year, enjoy the moment. PS: Gaan lees bietjie die Silver Fern for some TRUE Kiwi fans opinions about the Boks and their exit.

      Chief Kok - 2011-10-10 09:05

      Dankie Saffa-cat. Ek voel dit ook vir die bokke. Nou weet julle ook hou het ek in 2007 gevoel.

      Chief Kok - 2011-10-10 09:13

      The fact that I support the All Blacks for years now, also makes me a TRUE kiwi fan. Don't upset me on a Monday morning.

      Gazza69 - 2011-10-10 09:14

      Bryce Lawrence will receive the order of NZ now that he has cleared the way for the All Blacks to finally win the WC again.......If they cannot win this watered down tournament now, then they never will!

      code - 2011-10-10 09:41

      Good luck, Chief Kok. I sincerely hope the Kiwi's put this one to bed now that my beloved Bokke are coming home. The AB's, Aussies and Bokke will then each have two pips under the cup on their sleeves, which would make 2015 a very interesting World Cup year.

      Jacko - 2011-10-10 10:23

      I think you should be called Chief Cock you traitor.

      Chief Kok - 2011-10-10 10:44

      Like I said earlier I need to come clean. I can not hide any longer. I am actually a closet Boks supporter and I miss SA terribly. The Boks are still the best team. Please forgive me.

      Jacko - 2011-10-10 10:50

      You're closet alright

      mozzer - 2011-10-10 11:27

      Why do you spend your days on a SA website? Answer: the kiwis think you are a kok too. Hahahahahahahaha

  • John.L - 2011-10-10 08:39

    Well at least Bryce managed to go the whole match without once tripping over his guide dog! But yes we mustn't blame the ref - leave that to the Wallaby and AB supporters. I seem to recall Bryce being singled out by Aus supporters for his handling of their match with Ireland!! Serial offender perhaps? Another thing - all the Aus supporters in my office have been pretty good about the result - not crowing but just happy to have gotten out of jail free (kinda like our thoughts after the Wales game!!??). Bottom line is we just have ourselves to blame - 4 years will pass quickly then our new look Boks will hammer those darned ABs!!

      theprodigy - 2011-10-10 09:09

      John.L the Aussies don't like the All Brats, the ones I know are all happy to have gotten past a very good Bok side & they are not gloating, unlike the spineless wannabe AB supporters (& a large number of NZers) that arrogantly think they are gods gift to rugby. Overrated & nothing short of average, they will struggle to win the WC, we will welcome our boys home with pride & satisfaction that they were the most complete team there, that had to endure the toughest pool, biased officiation, NZ spectators, thug Somoans & lack of coaching....if we can get though all this & still be great, then we are a force to be reckoned with.

      Fred - 2011-10-10 10:35

      If there's one thing that we can claim after this game is that we are by far the worlds biggest whingers, what a sad, poor bunch of losers we are

  • RobinAL - 2011-10-10 08:39

    Two words MATCH FIXING

      Hannes van der Linde - 2011-10-10 09:32

      "SORE" retard

      Bokvirsport - 2011-10-10 11:24

      You will soon see Bryce Lawrence's bank accounts explode with all the money he won form betting against the Boks on this one!

  • pragmatism - 2011-10-10 08:39

    We lost under very suspicious circumstances and I will pray that this ref suffers multiple organ failure...

      aman - 2011-10-10 17:55

      Dude, it's a game. We'll bitch about it for a long time and always refer back to it, but I think the majority of us will get over it.

  • Moersteen - 2011-10-10 08:40

    Something must be done to prevent one person from having total control of the refereeing of rugby matches. A system should be developed where his mistakes and/or omissions can be rectified. Possibilities such as two referees on the field, more power to the TMO, etc. must be investigated. Our beautiful game is being spoilt by poor refereeing.

      LadyBok - 2011-10-10 12:33

      I agree 100% Referees must pay for throwing games.

      wombles - 2011-10-10 15:56

      only problem is game was spoilt by 3 incompetent a-holes from the illegal play at rucks to the alleged forward passes the 2 shocking high tackles the cheap shot by that coward that couldn't make it into wp B vickerman on brussouw when he got injured

  • Random the terrible - 2011-10-10 08:40

    Remember this bias blunder from Lawrence against the Beast

  • Trompie - 2011-10-10 08:41

    It is not the first time that Bryce Lawrence are against the Boks. Yet again a All Black referee ensured that there team get a advantage to not choke again in a world cup. If the game was faily handled, the Springboks would have beaten the Wallabies with more than 10 points. It is clear that the All Blacks knew that if the Springboks have beaten the Wallabies, that they then would have gone on to again winning the Webb Ellis. They would have been unstoppable, and thus a crooked ref had to do his bit. Makes me wonder if the world cup is not just a rigged set up, or are the World Rugby body going to do something about such cheating??

  • theprodigy - 2011-10-10 08:42

    Bryce Lawrence aside (he is an ass), we made a few minor mistakes & were very unlucky. There is no doubt that the Boks were by far the better team & the Wobbelies looked a mess & confused. How they won in the end I don't know. The Boks dominated every aspect of the game & totally deserved to win. The 3 mistakes we made which cost us the game were in order of seriousness, Sckalk Burger running the ball from the try line & spilling the ball into Pococks hands, Jannie du Plesiss (stupidly) gifting the Aussies a penalty in front of our poles, & Danie Roussouw (stupidly) diving one the lose ruck in front of the Aussie poles to ruin a possible try. Bad luck for the Boks was losing Brussouw & the occasional bounce of the ball. The IRB needs to sort out its Refs, Bryce Lawrence was shocking at the breakdown & make several mistakes mostly in Aus favor, but no excuses, despite incredible passages of compete & enjoyable rugby by the Boks, we should have won but we just didn't finish off as efficiently as we should have. Well played guys, we are proud of you & we welcome you home. Now just imagine what we can do with a good coach!!!!!

  • Wow! - 2011-10-10 08:42

    Bryce Lawrences refing was absolutely bloody pathetic. He managment of the break down - wasn't, he allowed high tackles and shoulder charges. Absolutely disgraceful standard of reffing. BUT we should have scored more points. Some days things just do not go your way - rather they go distinctly against you.

  • The Patriot - 2011-10-10 08:43

    When all is told, we blew our chances. Well done to the Boks for a very dominant performance. You didn't make it this time, but take heart that neither has any other team won back to back WC's. I am gutted by the results and I cannot imagine how you feel. Thanks for the past seven years of great entertainment, you have not shamed us in any way. You cant come home with pride in the way you played the game. Your discipline and commitment has been of the highest standard, and a pleasure to watch. A testament to the game. Thanks.

  • Thabani - 2011-10-10 08:44

    Everyone criticised that Samoan player who complained about the referee. now its our turn. We should have listened to some few points he had about the ref. What goes around comes around, Come back home guys. losers always complain.

      frans.mosia - 2011-10-10 09:12

      What exactly do you want to say Thabani? Are you saying the ref was on our side when we played Samoa?

      Peter Duval - 2011-10-10 19:01

      If all things were fair Samoa should have collected five red cards in their game against SA. The ref was very lenient. The Samoan player who complained has no idea of rugby rules.

  • MAXIMUS - 2011-10-10 08:45

    The journos where probably born in SA :) Its funny how the wheel turns, now all you BOK fans can mourn about referee for the next 4 years... sorry guys, YOU'RE OUT!!!

      Shistirrer - 2011-10-10 13:54

      True, we're out, but we can still hold our heads high because we were CHEATED out. I suppose you are immensely proud because your team is still in because of BLATANT DISHONESTY? I hope you sleep well.

  • JDog - 2011-10-10 08:47

    Mark lawrence is a wanker and i dont care what anyone says about us converting points. i knew it was gonna happen before the game started, BECAUSE HE IS A WANKER. we should of had endless amounts of penalties, which would of been converted into points.... so all you haters shut your mouths and blame the ref!!!!!!!!! he cost us the game bottom line!!!!!!!!

      Liz Reese - 2011-10-10 09:23

      Mark Lawrence? I thought he was doing the curry thing in RSA

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      Du - 2011-10-10 09:34

      JDog if you want to comment make sure you talking about the person under discussion Mark lawrence wasn't even in NZ. Blind Bryce Lawrence on the other hand should take his white walking stick and stay off a rugby field. Anycase give us our moment of whining about an UNFAIR ref, since the AB have been whining since 1995.

      Ms.D - 2011-10-10 09:35

      I'm sure your moment of fury has confused you... BRYCE Lawrence needs to jump infront of an on-coming train instead feeling it is his duty to help All Blacks along...

      BruceRSanderson - 2011-10-10 13:15

      MARK Lawrence is actually a brilliant ref, and would have handled that match superbly. BRYCE Lawrence, on the other hand, is a retard! He should be fined for such a pathetic display! BUt he continues to get the good, big matches - in the Super rugby as well.

  • Trompie - 2011-10-10 08:48

    It is clear, if the Boks went on to the semi's, the AB's would have choked again, and thus a AB ref had to do the trick.

      Fred - 2011-10-10 10:54

      Nonsense, Aus has played us 3 times this year and won all 3, they've played NZ twice and have won 1 lost 1, they are also the tri-nations champions, I believe NZ would have preferred to play SA before Aus, with with all our geriatrics and walking wounded, they'd have whipped our arses, listen to Garth Wrights comments on the game and you'll see it was the boks who lost the game with all their unforced errors.

      mbembe - 2011-10-10 11:36

      Guys we are all disappointed, but the reason the Boks are held in such high esteem is because of the dignity they show, both in victory and defeat let us not as supporters tarnish that by stooping to others levels.

  • Joanna - 2011-10-10 08:48

    Did I miss something, was the Springbok emblem completely missing from the jersey on Sunday ?

  • Dene - 2011-10-10 08:48

    Yes the ref was shocking but even more shocking was the abscence of leadership from PDV & coaching staff (that includes Rassie Erasmus the biggest technical guru in the country). I also include John Smit and Victor Matfield in this criticsm. Why didnt we kick dropgoals when we had approx 4-5 chances and virtually camped in the Aussies 22. John & Victor know Morne Styens prowess with the boot. Rassie was part of the 1999 semi final with Jannie De Beer when he kicked 5 drop goals. Why did the coaching staff (with their birds eye view of the game) send down messages to the captain to start kicking drop goals with 15 mins to spare. While we were defintely robbed - we also played stupid rugby and in the end only have ourselves to blame. The NZ commetators said it the best "How do you dominate every aspect of the game and still loose......"

  • McLook - 2011-10-10 08:49

    No way that pass was forward. Neither was the pass made by France against the All Blacks in 2007. Look here:

  • David - 2011-10-10 08:49

    Last time one of the Springbok Supporters tackled the referee for making stupid decisions!!! Lawrence should be given a PURPLE card and not be allowed to ref again!!!!!

  • Clinton - 2011-10-10 08:50

    The ref knew it would be easier for New Zealand to play Australia than South Africa. RSA is a work horse and can destroy the NZL team...So eliminate the threat before the big head off next weekend

      aus_beats_sa - 2011-10-10 14:24

      No Clinton, they are just old grand daddy horses who have been ko'd from the rwc... Muahahahahahahahaha.. Au revoir losers.. Stupid idiot..

      armosyn - 2011-10-10 14:35

      ausbeatsa, The biggest mistake they made was not having YOU in the team. Then victory was certain. As you know you are the BEST rugby player on the planet.

  • dean Roberts - 2011-10-10 08:50

    i recall a game between the sharks and crusaders where Lawrence penalised the Sharks scrum for dangerous play before the scrum had even engaged...nuff said

  • Debonaire - 2011-10-10 08:51

    Quarters /Semis and Finals should be reffed by neutral referees from the already knocked out countries ie Ireland/England/Scotland/Fiji/Samoa etc some of these deciions may have to be made at last minute - but if refs are on standby - thats the way to go. Bryce obviously did this to ease the way for the All Blacks

  • Coenie - 2011-10-10 08:51

    Next Article, bryce Lawrence found dead after a trip to cape-town, SAPS report it was an accident and no further investigation will follow.....

      Deon - 2011-10-10 09:42

      Stabbed 36 times police say worst case of suicide ever seen. LOL

  • theprodigy - 2011-10-10 08:52

    It was no surprise that the All Brats looked ordinary without Carter, & even rattled at some stages of the game against a weak Argentina, who punched well above their weight. I said it before the Brats are overrated & they are average without Carter, McCheat was up to his usual cheating at the breakdown & was getting away with side entries & playing the ball off his feet, i.e. the normal preferential treatment they enjoy. Now they face the Wobbeliies, who are by no means at their best & then France (already had their one good performance) or WALES, Im hoping for a Wales - Wobbelies final with Wales taking the WE home.. I predict the Brats will choke against a better team, i.e. any of the remaining teams (except possibly the Wobbelies).

  • George - 2011-10-10 08:52

    Wonder how much Lawrence was paid to "fix" the game

  • chiepner - 2011-10-10 08:53

    Ag its not worth moaning about this. We all know it will come to nothing. Brice has been shafting us in the Super Rugby competetion along with old Walsh and lets not even go into Dickie for now. Somehow it seems some referee's gets allowed to be poor and maybe for some strange reason they know something we dont. I dont know. All I can say is that there is a hand full of officials at this current World Cup that is defnatly not on good form at all. Yet they get boosted at every oppertunity and seem to enjoy some form of protection from "management". Its not a new thing in Rugby. You get players that out of form and then you get referee's that selected even when they clearly dont make the grade. What irks me is not so long ago Paddy was fast to publicly scorn South African officials who seemed to have made the right calls. First a linesman who was eagerly demoted and then the infamous "forward pass" that was correctly adjudicated by the TMO as forward when NZ played the Boks recently. Barnes is still a referee and in the top 8 even after his poor performance this world cup and leading into it, Owens has been given the whistle in the argentina/NZ clash after his shocking run of form and then Brice had a chance to "fix" his poor performnace the week before when he let Ireland win against the Aussie by allowing the Aussies free range at the break down area.

  • kgomo49 - 2011-10-10 08:58

    Hopefully now the rugby will be transformed

      theprodigy - 2011-10-10 09:12

      you mean the coaching

  • frans.mosia - 2011-10-10 08:59

    The wallabies defence was superb that is why the Springboks could not put a ball over the try line and those penalties which were supposed to be awarded means that the Springboks is the team which deserves to go to semi's.Its true the Springboks are coming home today but there is no discipline like the Bok discipline.

  • BoerSeun - 2011-10-10 09:00

    sometimes i think he did it on purpose to get SA out of the games

  • Johnny - 2011-10-10 09:00

    He's from NZ. What do you expect? Obviously he'll try his best to get us out of the competition. We were the only real threat to NZ winning the cup. I won't be surprised if he was "instructed" to ensure our defeat.

  • - 2011-10-10 09:01 alive a well.

  • Jeff - 2011-10-10 09:02

    At my work, and most of other companies, we have something what they call "Disciplanary hearing". This is such a good, perfect implementation, as it sees the employees to be honest and proud of their jobs, not taking chances and always make sure to obey the laws and rules of the company, and most important of all, when you think about being job-less, it makes you think twice before committing an offence. Can anyone tell me the real actual DESCRIPTION of a RUGBY referee?????? And secondly, what happen to referee's after making such decisions in such vital important matches????? Another point that I would like to raise, the IRB. The laws when it comes to the TMO. Why don't me make use of the TMO especialy finals? Why can't the TMO make a call just like the linesman, when the REF did not notice??? I know the reason for not having it like that is for the continuity of the game and that it will slow down the game, which is true. But i would rather go for a stop- and- go- game in order to have a fair outcome. I blame the ref and to all of those who said you can't blame the ref, well, leave the game as it was played, with all the mistakes that both sides made, replace the REF with a camera REF (TMO). Now ask yourself, who would've won??? What would the scoreboard looked like??? I'm really dissapointed by the Ref. Bokke you really made us proud and i'm still proud to be a Bok supporter. Congrats 2 Aus and goodluck to the rest of the teams remaining.

  • Grant - 2011-10-10 09:03

    The IRB stand to make a lot more from a Aus/NZ semi than the alternative SA/NZ final, Aus is the finanical powerhouse in that little corner of the world, not having a NZ/Aus showdown would have cost the IRB millions. Bryce messed up the IRB plans to have a Aus/NZ final (imagine how lucrative that would have been) when he oversaw an Ireland win, putting Aus and NZ in the same group. Strange that he gets a semi final job (and gets to ref Aus AGAIN!) "Bryce go and sort out this mess you have cost us millions we need an Aus/NZ game" said the IRB CFO to the idiot. Its all about money people nothing more. No-one expected SA to be so dominate so Bryce had to go out on a limb to make sure Aus got, money nothing else, pity though it would have been nice to see a SA/NZ game

      macrini - 2011-10-10 10:26

      What utter drivel. Tell ma where these magic millions will come from? Broadcasting? Ticket sales? Advertising?THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN NEGOTIATED IDIOT. I thought the Samoans were the biggest whingers.

  • Rampage15 - 2011-10-10 09:04

    Most ppl say the boks should of won becoz of the possession that they had. Most ppl say Aussie defense was good. Yes the Bokke had possession bt it gets hard to move the ball quickly when the it gets held up at the breakdowns. It gives The Aussies more time to get they defense lines together. The Ref was real bad you know sometimes the ref reads the game differently and penalties both teams. This Ref had a crash on Pocock it's fine when Pocock done it bt wil get Penalties.

  • Darrel - 2011-10-10 09:04

    Springboks you did us proud, and I am very proud to say that I am a springbok supporter. All the players incl the coaches we are proud of you. You deserved to far!

  • Monsta - 2011-10-10 09:05

    I remember in school days, (15 years ago) that we not only researched the oppenent's weak points but also knew the ref's weak points. Pre-match analysis, is what gave us an advantage, also having dynamic leader, knowing, how and when to change a game, try other tactics, read the game. A companies CEO is not going to keep the same marketing strategy year after year, a CEO makes radical changes, analyse the openents, formilse a plan and execute it. It was clear from the start that we lacked leadership. WRONG decisions were made. The playing field and ref was not analysid, no preventative measure were thought off, John Smit was purely thinking about picking up his game to prevent from beeing dropped for Bismark, he totally forgot to lead the team, did NOT read the game, did not intepret the ref desicions. This was a good lesson learned, we can walk away with the most valuable leason learned in that rugby is a dynamic game, sticking to rigged game plans wont win you a game at ALL.

  • Boxxer - 2011-10-10 09:08

    Why does no one talk about De Villiers running towards O'connor when he was trying to take a goal kick?

      theprodigy - 2011-10-10 09:16

      because it want De Villiers, it was JP Pietersen, stupid !

      Boxxer - 2011-10-10 09:23

      Do you also talk to your mother like that?

      theprodigy - 2011-10-10 09:37

      dude you focussing on irrelevant things, don't be surprised when you get negative comments. Pietersen mistimed his run, it wasn't intentional , the ref didn't give the kick again (but then we had 10's of dubious decisions go against us) & the Aussies didn't protest, let it go man......

      Trompie - 2011-10-10 12:55

      You may run a goal kick down at the time the kicker moves to start his run up. What is the issue thus here?

  • BoerSeun - 2011-10-10 09:09

    there should be more than one ref in world cup games, not one making all the decisions. maybe he was doing it to benefit NZ PLUS the incident with Heinrich Brussouw injury should have been a red card. he on purpose jumped on Heinrich Brussouw head with his knee to take him out the game