Div: No race quota for RWC

2011-06-01 07:36

Cape Town - Springbok coach Peter de Villiers has dismissed any suggestion that there could be political interference in the make-up of his squad for the Rugby World Cup to be played in New Zealand later this year, reports Timeslive

"There is absolutely no pressure on me to pick a certain number of black players for the World Cup," De Villiers said.

"If it were the case, then I'd have failed as a coach in the past three years. I don't have any obligation to any player to guarantee them a place in the World Cup squad."

The World Cup starts in 100 days' time and De Villiers has urged the public to get behind the team.


  • rugby_guru - 2011-06-01 07:58

    Glad to hear it.. may the best player play.. Hope you not forced to chose teams based on a semi or a final and rather look at every game during the entire Super Rugby season and pick on merit per player.

      Francois - 2011-06-01 08:42

      And may the best coach coach. As certain as death and taxes are in SA, so certain is January (17th best scrum half in his province), Ralepelle, Kirchner, Habana and Jacobs of their place.

      Rob - 2011-06-01 08:51

      ANCBlackAngel: Dude, if the whole team was black and there based on merit, then that is awesome. Nobody would argue. We love all black players who do/did well (Beast, Habana, Pieterson, Mvovo etc). Stop being so short sighted. For once just embrace everyone in this country and stop making everything racial. Can you not let go of the past? We are all South African and all want the best team, regradless of colour. I'd fully support a black team as long as they there on merit as i know that they play for us all. Look at the 7's team with so many black and coloured players who have done so well! Nobody is complaining, we all support and are proud of them.

      Jacques Claasens - 2011-06-01 08:54

      @ANCBlackAngel Then I raise your demand and demand 2 White, 1 Indian, 1 Coloured and 1 Asian player in the Bafana team! O' now your going to return fire and say Whities don't play Soccer! Well then the average African doesn't play Rugby hence the shortage in black players in the team. The best player get selected not the blackest and thats how it is finish and kla! And so bay the way, I have yet to see and African country win the Football World Cup!

      Zip23 - 2011-06-01 08:59

      I honestly dont think there are any quota players in senior rugby in SA at the moment. For every player of colour mentioned here there are plenty of white players with less ability in the same positions in different franchises. Although snorre shoots his mouth of every now and again, a coach in the modern era is really a manager, with a whole host of expert coaches around him. He hasnt done too badly in the three years, and he may very well bring the cup home this year. No real difference between him and White, and all the now nay-sayers said the same four years ago. Lets all rather grow up and support the boks.

      Gazza69 - 2011-06-01 09:05

      ANCBlackBat, wake up!....we are the defending WC Champions! We have to select the strongest team!!! Losing games just to satisfy qouta's is pathetic..... If you don't like it, switch channels to the boring PSL! Unfortunately for you, there already is an "ALL BLACK" team

      Hannes - 2011-06-01 09:05

      ANC: You are one ugly Mtfka! I demand you go get educated, firstly to be able to spell and secondly to realise that people around the world already know what the demographics of our country look like because of the Soccer World Cup. Do you remember that? do you remember that we had the whole world gazing at us over 2 months or so? Do you remember all the tourists from every corner of the globe walking our streets in all the major cities. Please explain to me how that which they saw then would be changed by sending a white team of Rugby players to the WC. Do you think people are as ignorant as you? or stupid as you? Please piss off and get a life. WE ARE WORLD CHAMPIONS AND INTEND ON STAYING JUST THAT! And we will do it with the best players, regardless of race

      Pennyformy.. - 2011-06-01 09:12

      @Francois: 17th!!!??? When did he get into the Top 20? :-) I feel sorry for any flyhalf that must play with him - he gives them on average 5 seconds less to make any decision. I'm sure his flyhalf sometimes thinks that he wants to tackle him as he runs towards him in an effort to pass the ball more than 5 meters!!!! I SO hope that he'll be picked against the Bulls next week-end.....

      Totman - 2011-06-01 09:22

      @ANCBlackAngel. Trawling again? Ok, let's fall for it. Will it be ok for you if they use polish to make them black? They will still be the best, South Africans and black as well. It will confused the rugby spectators[the world in your words] because the people that knows and watch rugby knows that white Africans are more representing the Springboks than any other colour, but it will be carrying out a picture that we are mostly black in the country. It should suits you seeing that you are also having a profile pretending of being black, but with some doubt surrounding it. ....or maybe you would like to use the strong name of the Springboks to present colour in SA, but not strength in the game. Do you realized that we could only pull your trick once and the next time we will not even be invited. Rather start developing in black areas. There is a heap of talent to gain from in the long run and SA needs them. Saying all this I realized that, if you are black, you can be one of those that do not understand the Rugby-religion, but like to ride the colour wave and if you are white you are a very bitter, self centered and pityfull person.

      myoomsemotor - 2011-06-01 09:35

      Francois you mention those 4 players are included because of the quota system, what about john smith and the other older white guys in the team that does not deserve to be there? leave your one sided thoughts. whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

      Makutu - 2011-06-01 09:42

      ANCBlackAngel... Sorry brother. That is plain freakin STUPID!! So, since the Chinese are so many of them in the world, why aren't they there in the Finals of the 100m race at the Olympics? Statistics has limits.

      Rob - 2011-06-01 10:21

      ANCBlackAngel: You are clearly too dumb to have an intelligent conversation with so I'm not even going to respond. You the problem, not the rest of us.

      Andy49 - 2011-06-01 11:40

      @ANCBlackAngel is a WHITE dude stirring the pot. Even so just ignore him & maybe he will go away as he thrives on the reactions that his comments generate.

      StBad - 2011-06-01 11:42

      @ANCBlackAngel: with all due respect, comments like that are selfish and singleminded and are only going to land you in trouble. In fact, that sort of mentality and brashness is probably a comment on where this country is at right now, as opposed to where it could/should be. FLW Go Bokke, whatever their demographic!

      Francois - 2011-06-01 18:36

      @My oom se motor: The article was about quotas. I did not know that quotas in rugby refer also to white players. So by the way who is John Smith? There is a John Smit who plays hooker (mostly) and a Juan Smith that is a loose forward. Are you the quota commentator on this site? Then you must ask my tax money back when they taught you English spelling and comprehension.

  • cheetahh - 2011-06-01 08:00

    Ja sure, we will maar have to see if he chose players like January, chiliboy, Raubenheimer, Jacobs for the squad. if he does then there are race quotas for RWC

      Bernard - 2011-06-01 08:11

      I think you are being a bit rough on Chilliboy- on current form he is one of the top three locally based hookers in the country and would deserve a place at the world cup on merit. I agree with you on the others, though.

      GrootBaas100 - 2011-06-01 08:16

      Chiliboy has certainly showed his worth in the last few weeks, don't think he is among the top 2 hookers we have but his game has definitely improved... Top 2 hookers being bismarck and strauss!

      Bernard - 2011-06-01 08:26

      Groot Baas, I'd rate chilli above Strauss (but only just). Strauss is a bit of a "bash it up" player and we have plenty of those in SA already. Chilli's a little more subtle and clever. However, neither of these guys would let the bok side down on current form.

      GR - 2011-06-01 08:28

      @smithruan835 Chilliboy? Really?? Although I agree with you on Smith we have at least 3 better hooker than chilliboy. He isn't even the best hooker at the Bulls, more like 3rd best!

      1stcase - 2011-06-01 08:39

      EEEESH!!!!! some people are just born to B!T#h . I wonder CHEETAHH does it make you feel good to be so negative. PLEASE men its to early , leave it for the weekend braai.

      Tamzien - 2011-06-01 08:47

      Chilli is a talent, a great prospect for the future and has the extra dynamic of being a possible leader in the team. A coach selects a player like Chilli for different reasons then he would select a Gary Botha or Tiaan Liebenberg. I am almost certain Chilli will get the nod, I feel sorry for Strauss cause he is seen as being in the Bismarck mold but less effective. That is why I think a player like Chilli will always get the nod ahead of a player like Strauss he offers more on and off the field. Pity he is Black otherwise his value would have been seen a long time ago.

      Jacques Claasens - 2011-06-01 08:55

      @ GrootBaas100 I would have to agree, but Chilly isn't that far behind and my just beat him to the finish

      Chris Swanson - 2011-06-01 08:57

      Amen, Brother! Amen!

      cheetahh - 2011-06-01 08:58

      1stcase not negetive at all. if i were negative I would have put Earl Rose's name also on the list. In my opinion Chililboy is about 6th on the list for hookers. 1. Schalk Brits 2. Strous 3. Bismark 4. Deon Fourie 5. Tiaan Liebenberg 6. Smit/chilleboy

      boyd.lance - 2011-06-01 09:12

      Chilliboy has really improved his gam over the past two seasons. His lineout throwing is better, is mobile and puts in some BIG hits on defence. Raubenheimer, although not a top contender yet, is certainly showing some great potential to be a top quality loose forward...perhaps in the next four years after this RWC we'll see some exciting young players coming through!!

      Dan - 2011-06-01 09:32

      Silly bugger. No hooker in SA is currently close to Chilliboy when it comes to form. Take off your racist glasses.

      cheetahh - 2011-06-01 09:59

      Dan from Danville, jy is verseker een van daai dom Blou bulle. Niks met racist te doen nie. allles met vorm te doen boetman.

      TheDuck - 2011-06-01 11:30

      Bimsark is the worlds best no.2 (excuse the pun) Aussies and the Ferns seem to think so, so do I?

  • Neo - 2011-06-01 08:14

    Who needs quotas when we have enough players of colour that can earn their positions. Let the best man/combinations in the squad!

      Raven - 2011-06-01 08:38

      Agree with you Neo - I can name a long list that wont let any team down and that on current form alone (chilli, mvovo, mjati, beast, etc)

      GR - 2011-06-01 08:39

      Absolutely. Look at the likes of Peterson who has been solid over a long period of time, the Beast who always performs and gives 100%, Gunthro Steenkamp and the likes of Aplon, Basson, Ndunganes, Mvovo and de Jongh who are all good enough to play. The only players who I no longer rate in the current mix are January (we have too many far better scrummies at the moment take your pick), Habana who although has been a great sevant to Bok rugby has been off form for a long time now and most definitely Chilliboy who in my view is not good enough for this level and we have many better hookers in the country such as Bismark, Strauss, Liebenberg and Gary Botha.

      Stryder - 2011-06-01 08:45

      I'll buy you a bells. In fcat what would be intersting is everyone's idea of quota players vs players who make it on merit

  • Laserguided - 2011-06-01 08:14

    "If it were the case, then I'd have failed as a coach in the past three years." So what now? I suppose last year and 2008 were roaring successes according to him. He's been failing dismally as a coach with the only 'successes' attrributed to the senior players trained under Jake 'Shake n Bake' White. There will certainly be quotas. When people like January, Chiliboy and Adie Jacobs are included, he'll just say: 'But of course they're the best!'n What a joke. . .

      Jonathan - 2011-06-01 08:20

      Jake Who??? Soooo last year, wait, how many years is it? Old John Smith??? Please! Forget about the past. Get behind the side and stop moaning like a little girl!

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-01 08:26

      Chilliboy on current form is NO quota mate. Absurd to even suggest it. You have been watching your beloved Bulls have you not?

      Tamzien - 2011-06-01 08:54

      Chilli was selected to the Boks in the past because he had the potential. Like many other young players before him. Sometimes these players deliver - Frans Steyn, sometimes they do not - Meyer Bosman. If the player is Black then he is a quota! if delivers then he is not. So what due you call white players picked on their good age group form and do not deliver. In SA rugby you are damned if you do and damned if you don't.

  • GILLBERT - 2011-06-01 08:21

    "There is absolutely no pressure on me to pick a certain number of black players for the World Cup," De Villiers said...... JA EN PERDE DROLLE IS VYE

  • Wizard101 - 2011-06-01 08:21

    Do hope that guys like Sarel and Riaan also get a run,they are good so far during the super series.January is a smugg he shouldn't even be playing

  • SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-01 08:22

    There may be no race quotas. But there sure as hell are "senior citizen" and "woeful players who try hard" quotas.

      Raven - 2011-06-01 08:42

      Agreed - some players are chosen on their name only although some old buggers can still do it - like victor & stefan tereblanche

      Sulaiman - 2011-06-01 09:14

      15 Zane kirchner 14 JP Pietersen 13 Juan De Jong 12 Basson 11 Mvovo 10 Gio Aplon 9 Ricki Januarie 8 Raubenheimer 7 Ashley Johnson 6 Kabamba Floors 5 4 3 Mujati 2 chilliboy 1 beast Could not find any Black locks.Not a bad team except for Januarie

      Gazza69 - 2011-06-01 09:14

      Well said.Our coaches try to stick to winning combo's to the detriment of the team. Sure John Smit was great in '07, but he is crocked... he had a good run, now is the time to pick the best hooker. John Smit sadly is no longer that.

      TheDuck - 2011-06-01 11:27

      @Sulaiman You are joking right?

      Spyker May - 2011-06-01 13:13

      Brilliant Sulaiman... ... if you are playing the Namibian 3rd blind team on the 23 Oct 2011. On the other hand Darren.., if you want to win, on the day of the final, in NZ, at Eden Park, against the All Blacks, you will have to consider some of the best players, in WORLD, viz some of the best ever seen in the history of human evolution, eg.., 15. Frans Steyn 14. Jaques Fourie 13. Jean De Villiers 12. Wynand Olivier 11. Francois Hougaard 10. Morne Steyn 9. Fourie du Preez (c) 8. Pierre Spies 7. Heindrich Brussow 6. Schalk Burger 5. Andries Becker 4. Bakkies Botha 3. CJ Van der Linde 2. Bismark du Plessis 1. Coenie Oosthuizen Head Coach: Heyneke Meyer Do yourself a favour Sula... Take note, during the RWC, what country is the best represented – ie what country of BIRTH (not the country of representation) has the most players in the RWC... Note – it will be SA (again). Then, do yourself a favour – please take a look how many ‘non-white’ players have left SA to play for other countries at the highest level – ie are in fact good enough to do just that... Then.., GO FIGURE..!! PS: @TheDuck – no, I don’t think he was joking about Januarie...

      JC - 2011-06-01 13:42

      @Spyker... Indeed. Same happened at the Cricket World Cup. England had 4 SA players. New Zealand had Donald (as bowling coach) and India had Gary Kirsten (Head Coach) and Eric Simons (Bowling Coach). Some of the smaller teams also had some SA players in them.

      Francois - 2011-06-01 19:42

      Sulaiman, you could have picked Delport or Bolla at scrummie or any other "black" players in the WP who plays club scrummie. Ricky is their because Snorre still thinks we beat the Kiwis in Dunedin Saturday past. Why no black locks? Where is Malema and Shivambu? You are also looking for trouble to play a wing at inside centre. Just play AD Jacobs there. And maybe teach Mvovu to play 6.

  • Theuns - 2011-06-01 08:27

    Should not have said this PdV, because now your team selection is based upon your own discretion. If the initial group of players is anything by which to judge you are again well on your way of making a number of bad calls.

  • slg - 2011-06-01 08:27

    This is a political ploy. There's no need for a quota when players of colour, with talent but not the needed experience, are openly selected prematurely. The coach himself is an example of this.

      Grunk - 2011-06-01 08:44

      Our problem used to be players of colour being prematurely selected. Now we have at least 5 or 6 players on the sidelines with the abilities, talent whatever chomping at the bit to get on but the flaming coaches won't let them on the field because they prefer to have their old war horses there who should have been put out to graze years ago.

  • Slapper - 2011-06-01 08:30

    No Race quota? What about your own job?

      Spyker May - 2011-06-01 11:53

      Good call Slappy...

  • Green Oaks - 2011-06-01 08:36

    To you brain dead people out there: Jonathan, smithruan835. It is John Smit not Smith. Smit Smit !!!

      Jonathan - 2011-06-01 08:43

      ok sorry...but does it really matter...should he be in the Bok side and why??? So many better hookers or props out there. How is it possible that he is the first choice?

  • wynandjsmit - 2011-06-01 08:37

    ha ha ha ha. We believe you!!

  • Bernard - 2011-06-01 08:42

    GR, currently Chilli is the best hooker at the Bulls. Few Bulls supporters would argue with this statement. Gary Botha is looking a bit tired and jaded and Chilli is playing some of the best rugby of his career. I have little problem with Chilli in an extended Bok squad on current form.

  • The Dutchman - 2011-06-01 08:43

    We shall see...

  • Truth - 2011-06-01 08:45

    People you are already negative, let us get some positivity behind our team. Those who already allege that Pieter is selecting wrong, please let the man do what he does best and let us who are spectators of the game get behind the players.......We have the best players in the World, we are defending the cup so stop saying bad things and focus on the task ahaid. Go Bokke!!!!!!

      Ockie - 2011-06-01 09:08

      Well said. It does not matter who they pick in the tightly contested positions ... these players will give their 100% in a world cup and hopefully make all of SA proud. (In any event, there will always be a difference in opinion from the public when it comes to selections.) There will be the truly outstanding player that the general public will have the same opinion, but often provincialism will be a factor.

  • Fabian - 2011-06-01 08:52

    This is to ANCBlankAngel. You are suggesting that the springbok team be completely black, like bafana.. You racist, what about the rest of the other ethnic groups in SA... If the best possible team is chosen and if it is chosen on merit it will contain a portion of every color...that will make it a rainbow team.

      HanHan - 2011-06-01 09:04

      @ANCBlankAngel is trying to poke the fire and stir things a bit. Must be a lull at work. Don't take the bait!

  • spiderkzn - 2011-06-01 08:55

    Go Bok VIVA!

  • Chris Swanson - 2011-06-01 08:55

    Yea right. We should believe that in the same way that we should believe that the ANC are not a racist organisation.The last Springbok coach that was allowed to choose a team purely on merit was "Kitch" Christie, and even then Political pressure was brought to bear on him. Jake White had it, Andre` Markgraaf had it, and "Snor" has it, even worse than they did. Peter de Villiers doesn't have the BALLS, nor the self belief, to stand up to these ANC racists and choose a team based PURELY on MERIT! We'll see!

  • calie.jacobs - 2011-06-01 08:56

    Bwahahahahaha! Joke of the year!

  • Dave - 2011-06-01 08:59

    @ AncBlackDevil - Why don't you go watch your team pirates, you poopall pirate. Those who are good enough should make the team, not because the color of their skin. It happens enough in the workplace, leave it out of sports you chop. Now go play somewhere else.

  • ARRA - 2011-06-01 09:04

    And your point is

  • Gazza69 - 2011-06-01 09:18

    I am more pissed at seeing the Springbok emblem being moved to the sleeve for the RWC!!!!!!!!

  • Dan - 2011-06-01 09:34

    We really can't complain. Currently we have a white quota player in the team - John Smit. Sorry, but true.

      Makutu - 2011-06-01 09:48

      lol, true!

      cheetahrugby - 2011-06-01 11:39

      I agree, he is probably 10th in line for the springbok team...

  • Totman - 2011-06-01 10:06

    Do any-one have some Zulu rugby club names? I would like to forward them to Div to enable him to scout for rugby talent for the Springboks. This is an URGENT request!!!!!!!!!!

  • GraemeBB - 2011-06-01 10:50

    Hahaha - this ANCBlackAngel is stupid! He can go and learn from his own great leader Nelson Mandela what it takes to be a great man. He hasnt got any qualities that even makes him a human. He is his own biggest enemy, and South Africa is a poorer place having his kind here!

  • cheetahrugby - 2011-06-01 11:22

    I think we should be allowed to choose 2 different teams for the world cup - a white and a black one. And don't be too surprised if the black one wins. If you have men like Mvovu, Petersen, Beast Mtawarira, Kabamba Floors, the Ndungani's, Habana (give him chance and he will regain his form), Zain Kirschner, January, Ralepele, etc. you can win games. The only problem would be to get 2 locks (I suggest we paint Bakkies and Matfield black), then we will have an excellent team.

      TheDuck - 2011-06-01 11:26

      Please go back to school. You hurting yourself posting comments here mate.

  • TheDuck - 2011-06-01 11:25


      cheetahrugby - 2011-06-01 11:37

      Well well, you haven't said anything about anything, just made an unsubstantiated comment - please clarify?

      TheDuck - 2011-06-01 21:38

      Cheetah old buddy old pal I really don't need to substantiate my comment. I assume you are referring to my comment concerning your quota team - The fact is you have to substantiate your comment on how this black team would win because it is ludicrous to even hypothesize such a statement. You have no backing on your comment. If you are referring to my "lol" comment (when translated is laugh out loud - I could have written ROTFL which means rolling on the floor laughing) - This was a general response that I had referring to the article as a whole.

  • cheetahrugby - 2011-06-01 11:29

    I think it to be a great idea to allow the team coach to pick 2 teams (1 black and 1 white). If we have players like Habana (yes, I agree he is not on form, but give him time), Petersen, January (a kick in the butt will get him going), Ralapele, Floors, the Ndungani's, Kirschner (yes, he is indeed black), Mvovu, the flyhalf of the Lions (can't remember his name), etc. we will be able to win games. The only problem is the locks (I think we can paint Botha and Matfield black, then we will give any team a go). We can let them play against each other and then choose the best 11 out of the white and the best 11 out of the black team to play in the world cup, but still take all 30 along as a chosen few.

      cheetahrugby - 2011-06-01 11:45

      I didn't even mention de Jongh, Johnson and Raubenheimer...

      TheDuck - 2011-06-01 21:45

      You are officially a retard. Do you think before you speak? Pick one black one white team what logic is that? Why don't we just go back to apartheid? You fully cemented your lack of knowledge about South African rugby when you couldn't even remember who Elton Jantjies is.

  • watalife - 2011-06-01 11:50

    Rugby in South Africa involves a big amount of money. The principle that competence should be the deciding factor, has always led to better performance in most sports, and in most types of business as well. The basic system in South Africa is so loaded against whites, in particular the Afrikaner that it is the worse form of racism possible, at university level, employment level, and now at the level of sports as well.

  • Marcell - 2011-06-01 13:20

    Hoe gaan banana Habana nou in die span kom?

  • Marcell - 2011-06-01 13:21

    " I don't have any obligation to any player to guarantee them a place in the World Cup squad." Why is John Smit in the team?

  • perthbok - 2011-06-01 13:38

    Bring back Ricky Januarie...

  • Laserguided - 2011-06-01 13:42

    @ Jonathan and Suck-my-Cat (Saffa Cat): Moan like little girl?? So we should now just accept everything readily and not criticise blatant political interference in rugby? I am behind the Springboks, but behind the best Springbok team, not some quota permutation of it. Jonathan, have you watched any ruggby the last three years. We were shocking except for 2009! So now we should just accept a coach that is a quota, accept a captain that is a quota and several other players that are also quotas because we are blindly loyal. Yes, I even consider old John Smit, not Smith (shows how much you actually know, boet), a quota because he doesn;t deserve to be included. You've got your head burried up your own arses if you think Chiliboy deserves to be there. Besides the fact that he almost never plays any rugby due to injuries, he is just not good enough. We've got at least six hookers (including Bandise Maku, a black player) that are better than him. I suggest you actually watch some rugby and decent rugby programmes like Reunion to get better informed. Quotas are not about colour, losers, because even white players can be quotas as is the case with Smit. Honestly, grow some common sense en get informed!

  • ZACommentator - 2011-06-01 14:37

    I suggest that is twaddle, of course there is, he forgot he is a QUOTA himself

  • roi.boss1 - 2011-06-01 14:56

    wot ever u lot say nothing will change in sa rugby and quite frankly yo opinions dont count haha u knw why coz the lot of u are nt in position of power. I. E. The Anc saru or even gov. U just a bunch of whiners haha that are just bitter u cant do anything bout rather than leave the country u love so much

      ZACommentator - 2011-06-01 16:45

      I see you are the boss, is that an AA brokered tender deal or is the plastic you speak of stolen credit cards?

  • BigWig - 2011-06-01 15:13

    Vhy do I buther to wote ANC? Eh ,Tell me?

  • Van Niekerk - 2011-06-01 15:20

    Unfortunately my friend Peter de Villiers, the whites are going to fire you after the world cup, it doesn't matter whether you scrap the quotas or not but they are going to fire you, they are racist to the core.

      roi.boss1 - 2011-06-01 15:34

      actually pdv wont be fired he will just nt get his contract renewed. He is smart than that whatever happens he has been there and u have nt been there

  • Dirk - 2011-06-01 18:25

    Then why is it that you think Chilliboy is beter than Bismark?

  • Gert@swart - 2011-06-01 18:42

    We won it twice so we have nothing to prove.He must include more players of colour finish en klaar.

      Laserguided - 2011-06-02 10:55

      Hou jou bek, Gert@swart

  • nic - 2011-06-01 18:53

    hah.a Is this not why Jake White got fired right after he won the world cup??

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