Boks sweat over Lambie

2011-08-21 22:11

Cape Town - The injury to Patrick Lambie appears to be Bok coach Peter de Villiers's biggest worry ahead of the World Cup.

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Lambie injured his shoulder early in the Tri-Nations Test against the All Blacks on Saturday.

Frans Steyn is also in doubt after he sustained a hamstring injury against Australia in Durban the previous week.

The Springboks will announce their squad for the Rugby World Cup in New Zealand on Tuesday.

The tournament starts on September 9.

De Villiers was reluctant to answer any questions about the severity of Lambie's injury.

"We have a policy where we discuss injuries on Monday's through our team doctor (Dr Craig Roberts). The group (Bok World Cup group) will be announced on Tuesday and if Pat's name is not there, then you will know that the injury is serious," De Villiers told the Beeld newspaper.

However, the Boks seem a bit more assured over the availability of Steyn.

Steyn is still with the team, which indicates that his hamstring injury is not serious enough for him to miss the World Cup tournament.


  • slg - 2011-08-21 22:18

    Wrong. His biggest worry is a lack of a cogent and dynamic game plan, low fitness and strength of his players relative to NZ and Australia, lack of penetration among the backs, inversion of his ego-lens such that he doesn't see true reality, and the self-sabotaging of his team and country with senseless selections and substitutions.

      BardofAvon - 2011-08-22 00:42

      Ag, sig, don't worry, old sport. Those Bulls players in the team might be coffin-dodgers but they've got enough gas for the big moments. The substitutions have only been experimental (Div is not as dumb as he sounds, although that is saying something). As long as good 'ol Morne can keep slotting 'em over, all is well. And don't forget that we can rely on the All Blacks to choke in a knock-out game.

      slg - 2011-08-22 01:16

      :) Thanks old sport. I feel much better now.

      Marcell - 2011-08-22 07:21

      Nothing personal but Lambie is overrated.

      Exoteric - 2011-08-22 07:55

      I think if Lambie is out it might be the best thing as he is currently being used as a ping pong by PDV, he's going the same way as Brent Russell where he was shunted all over the park in different positions until the poor man himself wasnt sure where he should play, after this weekend it seems 'Mr one dimensional, cant defend Morne Steyn' played himself back into contention and destroyed any hope that we would play any other kind of rugby other than 'skop en jag' during the RWC, its a shame really that our game is so one dimensional but as some of you will remind me its won us a world cup and thats all that matters.

      Dan - 2011-08-22 08:14

      @ BardofAvon. I agree. The Boks again showed on Saturday what our best and only game plan is - pressure. We just need to get the first time defense in place. Pressure rugby and defense wins you big tournaments like a RWC - not flashy fag style rugby. Go and ask WeePee - flashy rugby and no cups for a decade. We simply do not have the quality coaching to develop a "flashy" game plan anyway, so we need to stick to what we know best. When we execute our game plan correctly with the correct players in the correct positions (like Mornè Steyn), then we always have a chance and the All Blacks know it. In the RWC the Boks and France are probably the only teams that can beat NZ on any given day - and they know it. I don't think we have the coaching to take us all the way, but if we reach the semi-final against NZ, I think they will be more worried than us.

      RJ - 2011-08-22 08:17

      I agree with you marcell, he simply is no israel DAGG, how many tries have he scored or created lately. Whr is the talent

      RL - 2011-08-22 08:43

      as we've said numerous times before it doesnt matter whether the boks win or lose the racist bricks will complain regardless.

      realist - 2011-08-22 08:58

      Agreed, sig. We would be luck to reach the quater finals. I believ the bok emblem will move to the sleeve for the world cup. Disgusting saru and absa. Even though it is not surprising because hoskins supported the all blacks until only a few years ago. What does he know or care about the bok emblem?

      Eben - 2011-08-22 09:01

      @Exoteric.... Fullback and Flyhalf is a natural interchangebale position. Problem with Brent was, he had to play wing, fullback, flyhalf and scrumhalf, not to mention do 90% of the centers job. Lambie is great at either fullback and flyhalf. We will miss him in this world cup if not fit to play. 2007, we had Frans Steyn who had the world talking. 2011, it looks like we wont have anyone gasping for air, unless it's just because John is playing and not Bizzy....

      FJ2 - 2011-08-22 09:24

      The 'lack of strength' was certainly absent on Saturday. Yes, their first-time tackling was atrocious at times, but they scrambled well, didn't they. As for senseless selections - the away leg of the Tri Nations certainly showed that we don't have better at the moment. Let's get behind them, trust them to do what they can do and pray that, after the RWC, we get a managment team that starts building a new team with some flair and skill amongst the backs and a lot of brawn ánd brains among the forwards. And let's not expect miracles of the new team immediately and put undue pressure on them. Remember how long England kept building the team that eventually won the title in 2003.

      Bellakanoose - 2011-08-22 09:25

      You lot make me laugh! Sig... a wins a win boet! Stop being a miserable pessimist, life's too short dude...

      Bellakanoose - 2011-08-22 09:26

      Problem with Brent was his drug habit, actually!

      roboman1 - 2011-08-22 11:17

      This team just whipped the All Blacks, so sig, wallow in your misinformed opinions, and remember to retract and apologise if the Boks win the world cup. Ooops, sorry, forgot, people who sup from a trough never apologise

      visarend - 2011-08-22 17:40

      slg - would you prefer PdV to experiment in a WC sudden death game? . Start changing your tune my friend . There is nothing that anyone of us can do at this late stage . Far better trying , and experimenting in games prior WC . The only thing that anyone will remember of 2011 , is who won the WC . Tri-nations , or S15 will just be a vague memory . So we all have to forget about the past now , although I must admit that some people want to cling to it for dear life .

  • dachshund118 - 2011-08-21 22:27

    No problem... Aplon or Ruan Pienaar can take Lambie's place at fullback - they're both better player than him anyway. And where in the world is the best fullback of them all... Joe Pietersen???

      dansa - 2011-08-22 00:16

      What games have you been watching?

      slg - 2011-08-22 01:36

      Spoon should only be used as an impact player and then only sparingly.

      Timothy - 2011-08-22 03:00

      aplon is super kak. i hate him, he should not even play for the w.p he needs to go back to club rugby

      slg - 2011-08-22 03:13

      Spoon = Aplon

      Ferraro - 2011-08-22 04:20

      wow. well aren't you just oozing with rugby knowledge!

      Steher - 2011-08-22 06:07

      Aplon is a lightweight, not enough mass and power for the Trinations level. He's brave though.

      Leftyloosy - 2011-08-22 07:35

      @Steher - the same can be said for Lambie(1.77m) tall who is not much bigger than Gio.anyone that thinks Gio isn't good enough clearly has no idea about what they are talking about. @dachshund118 - Joe Pietersen was def the best most complete fullback when he was playing in SA. He had everything kicking attacking defense and brilliant under the high ball, way better than taller players he played against. The biggest problem SA has is the fact that we are not scoring tries against the aussies and all blacks, which looks like we will run into in the semi's or final(if we get this far). The defenses are so tight and quick to reset that one off runners and setting up rucks is not going to break down these defenses(just not fast enough way of moving the ball away from contact). The only way we are scoring tries like this is if we get close to the line and then muscle our way over.

      clivegoss - 2011-08-22 12:10

      Get back and go watch darts

  • Deon - 2011-08-21 22:53

    Try Francois Houchaard as full back as well. He is the most talented ball player in the group. Superfast (catching up with Aplon once from far away, after having to turn around). He is very strong, agile and has brilliant kicking and ball sense. But, because he is actually a scrumhalf, he is kept out of all starting teams due to Fourie du Preez. Doubt his goal kicking abilities though, but maybe he can do that too. Won't surprise me. Give the man a chance-he is pure rugby genius and we are missing out.

      Bokmad - 2011-08-21 23:52

      Having FH on the wing and able to cover at the breakdown for FDP occasionally looked really promising on Saturday. It ensured quick ball all the time, and caught the ABs aff guard. Might have been discovered by accident, but could come in useful.

      Travis - 2011-08-22 08:21

      I have to say that I was not a fan of FH, but was seriously impressed with him on Saturday. Work rate was huge, commitment was total, and he had purpose to his game. Defense was immense, and I would be happy to see him in the squad. He has gas to burn, and gave his all, and I was laughing to see him get to the breakdown before Fourie. Concerned only about Pierre Spies and Danie Rossouw slipping tackles, and Morne's one dimensional play. His kicking game was back on song, and a marvel to watch, but still not sound defensively, or able to get his backline going.

      On the Verge - 2011-08-22 08:38

      No, rather play him at 9 - he's like Fourie Du Preez was 5 years ago. Lambie is undoubtedly the most talented backlie player in SA, and can play 10, 12 or 15. He's probably a natural 10 (in the mould of Hennie Le Roux) - small, agile, a thinking player, but also has balls the size of an ox. So I don't think he cares if he's shifted around the field a bit, if he plays at 15, he still shifts around, and comes into the flyhalf channel after a few phases, and becomes a real line-breaker. I don't think Morne Steyn ran at the line once on Saturday. Yes his tactical kicking was pretty good, but Fourie's was poor. Imagine all those up'n'unders being collected at the back by the likes of Mills Muliana and Sivivatu. We've got to have a half-back combination that are a little less predictable. I'd play Morne in the big games, but with Lambie moving into the flyhalf slot when on attack, and with Hougaard at 9 - so much more dynamic that Du Preez. Go bokke!

      FJ2 - 2011-08-22 09:30

      @On the Verge: Agreed, although I' was not impressed by Steyn's tactical kicking. He should kick the ball into the stands and we should apply pressure each time so that the other team can't throw in quickly. We're still good enough in the lineouts to contest then.

      Shistirrer - 2011-08-22 12:23

      @On the Verge: "but also has balls the size of an ox".... ermmm... there's something you should know about an ox...

  • Steyts - 2011-08-21 22:59

    The biggest worry we have is that John Smit must be the leader of the illuminati because he just ain't going anywhere!!! That is our biggest problem! I do believe that no-one can be so ignorant or blind to the fact that Bismarck is MUCH MUCH MUCH better than Smit!! Or am I wrong? Is snorre really that blind? Anyway, I guess the chances are there that John Smit will prove 99,99999999999% of all rugby supporters on this earth wrong by having the best tournament of his life!! I mean, 1 out of 1 billion is a chance... And another thing, is it just me or does nobody give a crap of what tthat fat idiot Ollie le Roux has to say every single day???

      Wagga - 2011-08-22 07:19

      So you seen the light at last mate. I am happy for you.

      GetReal - 2011-08-22 09:08

      I agree about Ollie, that fat overrated lump of lard was a has-been before he made his debut!

      DeonL - 2011-08-22 14:56

      Smit has not played so bad in this tri nation. He scored two tries if I am not mistaken. How many did Habana scored?

  • gatvol4corru - 2011-08-21 23:01

    Hope he is ok. Will be a hand-full in the years to come! Between Lambie,Hougaard,De jonge,Sadie -- rugby has a great future. Just hope the 3 stooges will be fired and effective coaches will be employed. Oh,get rid of racist Hoskins at the same time!

  • jay - 2011-08-21 23:07

    Surely there must be good enough back-up just in case. What happens if other "key" players get injured? I think most teams will struggle if some of their top players are not on the field. Imagine the boks without an in-form Brüssow... and a few others

  • BardofAvon - 2011-08-22 00:45

    Get well soon, Bambi!

  • vincent - 2011-08-22 01:36

    The biggest worry he has is that now that Morne Steyn is his number 1 choice he has to hope that we continue to get more penalties per game than the opposition that our forwards dominate every game and that Steyn continues to convert these penalties because with him as our pivot we certainly will not be scoring many tries. I think with these tactics we have a 50/50 chance of losing to Ireland in the quarter finals. Yesterday we beat a second string All Black side who if they had not messed up their last passes (and some great scramble defence) could have scored three or four tries and won the game.

      hawk - 2011-08-22 06:22

      Yes Vincent you are 100% correct. When Butch James played we scored 100 tries against the Wallabies. Steyn is useless and cant even score one. He is also not a match winner and has no big game teprement. The fact that he is playing with F du Preez for the first time also makes him useless. I suggest Lambie with his brute strength should take over from Morne. They should never allow Morne on the rugby field ever again. He is a dufus.

      InternetMan - 2011-08-22 07:45

      Just remember that 99 of those tries were scored by Brian Habana so Butch didnt do much.

  • gooinat - 2011-08-22 07:11

    Morning All,I know this has nothing to do with the above article but where are all the Habana haters now,he saved a certain try with he's cover defence in the beginning of the game due to a pathetic missed tackle by Du Preez and Pietersen. He is looking more and more confident as time goes on. Bismark,you deserved to be p!ssed off when you came off,great game as well. Jaque Fourie and Brussouw julle is Ysters Go Bokke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Greegs - 2011-08-22 13:16

      First time in ages he's had a good game. One swallow doesn't make a summer!!!

  • Hannetjie - 2011-08-22 07:22

    I hope Pat Lambie will recover in time as he is a versatile player! Springboks looked better on Saturday but BIG worry that they did not even look like scoring tries!!!!!!! Also some players not quick enough onto the ball which is what the current rugby plan requires!!!!

  • deemary - 2011-08-22 07:32

    Pray that Lambie isnt too hurt. He is too good,too young and too gorgeous.

  • nobokjoy - 2011-08-22 07:55

    that game was given to the bokkies,so that pdv can get his plastic medal,to shut up.

  • Siinhle - 2011-08-22 07:56

    Elton Jantjes can easily fill his boots!

      jochem - 2011-08-22 08:39

      Or Earl Rose!

  • terry - 2011-08-22 08:36

    Actually - Lambie in the squad is a sign of Piet Snor's confused thinking. If he is going to play a 'Blue Bulls Testoserone' style of rugby (i.e. bash, bash, bash, bash, and bash again - until you (a) eventually get to the tryline, (b) get a penalty, or (c) give away a penalty) - then Lambie is not the player for this style of rugby. Lambie is a talented player who plays a completely different style of rugby - a fast hand to hand slick passing game where he takes the ball flat and keeps the opposition guessing. That style has worked for the Sharks, but this is not a style that we have seen Piet Snor using - nor are we likely to. So I don't know why Piet Snor keeps picking Lambie - other than he must have heard some people rating him, so he thinks he needs to pick him, even though the style of play the Boks are playing is totally unsuited to the style of rugby that Lambie is suited to.

  • Sharky_CTN - 2011-08-22 08:58

    Ok so we won on Saturday, a small glimmer of positivity. I am venting here............. That said and done, its far from world cup competitive rugby. Our defense was shocking, there were moments in the game where it could have been the Bulls I was watching. Apart from Steyns kicking ability, he offered nothing to the game. Lambie, sadly is being miss groomed and miss used.Granted he doesnt have the debpth of experience that other flyhalves have, but Steyn is definately not our best option. We have the best center pairing in the world and we didnt use them. The chip and chase game doesnt work anymore, how many times have class teams shown us that.

  • Reader - 2011-08-22 09:00

    Why......Franscois Steyn??????

  • Jacques Vd Merwe - 2011-08-22 09:08

    Penalty kicks and drop goals win world cups, not tries!

  • HJS - 2011-08-22 10:11

    I'm not so sure that it is to our advantage if Fatso Frans is "still with the team". Unless it is because we need him as additional cover for Jannie du Plessis' position. I used to be a big supporter of the Fourie du Preez fan club, BUT after the games of the past two weekends I am not sure he has not now passed his sell by date. Too many fumbles, mistakes, kicks charged down etc. etc. Would have been great if it was the "original" version of Fourie du Preez.

  • MB1810 - 2011-08-22 10:13

    I think Lambie played very well for those 20 minutes he was on the field, would have liked to see a bit more before forming more of an opinion, but I hope he gets fit in time for the world cup, would like to see more of him at 15.

  • Bellakanoose - 2011-08-22 11:54

    The kid runs a gap, hands off Schalk and scores a try to add to his total points in the Currie Cup Final and you lot say he's kuk... how many of you did that when you were 19?!

  • Jacques Ackermann - 2011-08-22 12:40

    Lambie is a great talent but so this might be a big loss but after reading some of this comments here i can’t help but feel there is a lot of people that just don’t know rugby. i read that penalty's and drop goals wins matches ??? that theory only works if you opponent’s makes mistakes in there half. we won the RWC 2007 not only because we had a great defence but we actually scored points...yes to all the people out there you don’t get points for tackling for 80 min. so have to go out and score some to. morne played kicking style that worked for him on the day. if we employ this style at the RWC then i am afraid the Samoa’s Fiji’s of world will run at us all day long. we lack the ability to breakdown defences and lack creativity in the backline. we have world class runners like fourie Habana and co so why not use them ???. there was if i can recall over 20 line breaks. at this level that is not good enough. from a second string all black side. if it was not for some amazing scramble defence then we would have been standing behind the posts all day long. the problem is with the 10 12 channel. morne played a selfish game drop goal perfect midfield ball (we were in there quarter). but you can’t blame him because is trying to stake a claim in the bok team. only PDV is to blame for sending a mixed message to the players. jean de Villiers has been the most one dimensional inside center over the past 2 years. defences just shift when he has the ball. he offers nothing on attack.

      Jacques Ackermann - 2011-08-22 12:51

      in RWC we score on ave 30 points per game. we played a balanced game of defence and attack. this bash style of game is taking rugby back 10 years ago. nonu carter and the likes did not play on saterday. they love ball possesion and aimless kicking. it gives them space to run and unleash the runners. i prefer butch to morne if frans i playing because frans offer the same in terms of kicking out of hand as morne. only thing that butch has that morne does not have is n better flat running game. dont get me wrong i love it when we win but we need to be objective and take this win but we are still far behind on where we should be. rugby has changed in the last couple of years. you cant rely on your defence alone to win the world cup. attack is just as important. we look like droopy eyed armless children on attack. nothing that cant be fixed i believe. to defend takes alot more physical effort than to attack. i would put franna steyn in at 12 and move either jp to 15 or lambie. under the new laws its more of a advantage to have a running 15. franna was magical for metro duriing the french super 14. he alone kept them in the running for the title. jean to be benched. covers both centers. franna can break down first tier defences. something we have been not been doing for years.

  • qmglover - 2011-08-22 16:53

    I wonder if Gio & Jaun De Jongh will make the team at least...Dwauny Vermeulen has also gone quiet about his injury???

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