Boks suffer shock Frans loss

2011-10-01 06:33

Auckland - South Africa's Frans Steyn is likely to miss the rest of the rugby World Cup after injuring his shoulder in the win over Samoa that secured the world champions' place in the last eight, coach Peter De Villiers said on Saturday.

Steyn, who can play at flyhalf and fullback, played centre in the bruising 13-5 victory over the Pacific Islanders at Albany on Friday night and kicked a penalty from 55 metres.

Apart from Steyn's versatility, the 24-year-old's ability to convert penalties from well within his own half is a potent weapon in the kind of pressure game that South Africa play.

"Frans Steyn is likely to go home," De Villiers said. "His shoulder isn't that good. The doctor will confirm it 100 percent this morning, but it's 95 percent that he's on his way home and that is a big blow for us."

Bryan Habana, who scored the only try of the game, and fellow winger JP Pietersen also suffered knocks in the match but De Villiers was cautiously optimistic they would recover in time to be available for next weekend's quarter-finals.

De Villiers has spent much of the international season scrabbling around to fill his second row after a string of injuries to locks, however, and bemoaned the misfortune of again being depleted so badly in one department.

"All those kind of guys they've got battle scars and that's all," De Villiers added.

"I don't know what's wrong with us, when we get an injury in one position we get it in one position. We had a lock (problem), and suddenly we lost three wings in one game.

"When lady luck turns her back on us, she turns it properly on us."

South Africa are likely to meet Australia in their first knockout game in Wellington next Sunday.

The Wallabies beat South Africa home and away on the way to claiming the Tri-Nations title earlier this year but De Villiers said his team would be encouraged by Australia's defeat to Ireland in their second pool match.

"It's now about only one game, the only game that can either take you forward or stop you," he said.
"We're playing against the (Tri Nations) champions. That's fine. But Ireland beat them so that's something to look out for."


  • Magmansa - 2011-10-01 06:41

    Maybe I'm trying to be a bit to positive here, any chance of this being a blessing in disguise? I thought Frans looked a bit slow on defense and couldn't help but think if we were playing faster teams they might expose that? Anyhow this is a blow no doubt. Makes me mad, wouldn't be a world cup without us loosing some star players right:-(

      Redwine - 2011-10-01 08:40

      When I look at rugby players in the modern era they all look like body builders. Despite this enhanced body toning, dedicated training mothods and rules to eliminate injuries our top players spend half their season nursing injuries. Take any player in the current 15 and run a search on him and see how many weeks they were out of action due to injuries. In my playing days when you had a knock on the field they would bring a bottle of water and you would soon be running again. They do not make them like they used to. Maybe the key is in all these supplements they take to built the little muscles it did not come from natural hard work.

      Magmansa - 2011-10-01 09:03

      Stop giving me thumbs down. I'm a big Fans fan, just trying to find any positive I can from a sucky situation......

      Bert Pajou - 2011-10-01 09:36

      But why send him home straight away? My RWC hopes rested parly on him. If he stays for another week he might have company on his way home! By the way, I suspect our traing camp is clairvoyant. they said JdV will get his chance!

      Benny66 - 2011-10-01 10:35

      @Redwine. "They do not make them like hthy used to". I fully agree with you. The quality of the water we drank 30yrs ago when I played rugger was MUCH better. These days with water polution being what it is our players just don't seem to be recovering as well after a swig of the good stuff

      Bert Pajou - 2011-10-01 11:02

      Yes, Frans Steyn is a huge loss, but have you noticed how suspect our defence in the midfield became since he took the #12 jersey? And have you noticed how easily our midfield have been penetrated? Time and time again. And do you remember how solid we were there before? And yes again, we will miss some of his skills, but he too has weaknesses.

      Magmansa - 2011-10-01 12:01

      @Jacques Thought I saw Frans get stepped a few times. I'll have to watch the game again tho, tend to not pick up on the little things when I watch live, cos of the passion causing stress lol. Like I said, am merely trying to look for any tiny "blessing in disguise". I'm fully aware this is a huge blow, have been loving Frans at 12. I still have faith that we'll be fine and JDV an JDJ will do us proud. But another 100 odd thumbs down would be great......

      thesaoak - 2011-10-01 12:57

      Thats huge guys, Frans ads to the whole teams game plan and is going to be sorely lost! With Jean Smith, and now possibly Bakkies and Frans out.... its going to take a miracle to defend our crown... however 100% behind the green and gold! Bokke for life!!

      Logoll - 2011-10-01 14:43

      magmansa it is a blessing and a curse. A blessing because center the aussies would have run around him too easily. Whever he plays centre he leaves a massive gap on his inside, something the aussies would have exploited with a quick inside pass. A curse because we could have used his kicking game from fullback to really punish the australians should they kick at us. Also I don't think Lambie is up to the level needed for top class fullback. Another blessing is that JdV has faced Sonny-Bill and knows how to defend against him, Steyn has not.

      Spyker May - 2011-10-01 16:07

      Frans Steyn is out of the 2011 RWC, bar a 5% outside chance - the accolades (deserved or otherwise) serve NO purpose now - there is a week to formulate a 'plan B'. Thus, no time for silly "if's, not's and what should be's). This is the nature of the RWC - something with a life of its own. Therefore, bar the 5% possibility - how do you beat the Aussies, in ONE game, in a week from now..? Consider the following.., Habana at full-back. This is an opportunity for the other Franscios (Hougaard) to join the starting ranks - perhaps not a bad situation to be coerced into, against the free-running and relatively young Aussie back-line. The long range missile is gone.., a pity, BUT IT IS GONE - move on and cry about it later (or you stand NO chance). Alternative - make sure the other Steyn's long distance line-out kicks are practices with greater urgency and precision. Not that the other Steyn has not had his share of some long range beauties... For the next 7 days, all that matters, is beating the Aussies in NZ. Everybody should just live, breathe, eat and (NOT) drink, "BEATING THE AUSSIES". You will beat them by scrum-ing them into oblivion. Sorry, but however much he is immensely popular, Beast cannot start. Guthro is the man of the moment and that is ALL that matters. Line-outs: the only set-piece they have left. Disrupt them here and the game is ours. cont. below

      Spyker May - 2011-10-01 16:28

      In the two aspect of the loose game: - they are going to steal some of our balls in the 'mauls' - make sure your defense is acutely aware of this. Kill the stolen ball before they can get space to run. They will (short)-kick the ball over the defensive line - make sure you have sweepers in place and then give the ball prodigious 'air' (launch it to the moon) as it will catch a forward-going Aussie backline having to go backwards and you have a better chance of an areal intercept and score- or set up a tri or penalty. Or tactics alike. - rucks are a problem for SA. We struggle to go fluently from froward-going ruck formation into quick ball for the backs. We tend to - PREDICATBLY - go from a ruck, straight into (another) maul. They read us like a book. Against Aus you must play territory. Keep them in their half - period. They will get frustrated and make mistakes. Aus is a young team and relies heavily on 'confidence' - do what Ireland did, keep going forward, even it is inch, by inch and the Aussies will get rattled. Play conservative, percentage rugby for 65 minutes, then sink them.

      Karoobloed - 2011-10-01 17:24

      I feel most would agree that the loss of Frans Steyn is a big one. Also, not discussed here, is the fact that Hougaard may very well not be at his sharpest for the rest of the tournament. Looked to me that he copped a serious concussion against Samoa - like a UFC competitor knocked cold with a knee to the chin. That also means he will be more vulnerable to concussions on the short term.

      RandomDude - 2011-10-01 17:48

      good post spyker

      Jacques Ackermann - 2011-10-01 18:33

      @spyker may....the one way to beat the aussies is pressure. cut down then space and time on defence. scrum them avert so much pressure on there rucks that genia and cooper have flankers running at them with huge speed and pace. if we keep our shape on defence we can force them into mistakes. but if we use the morne steyn method of aimless kicking then we are just asking them to play at us. get the ball play it in there half play from there. they dont like it around there noses so we must take it to them. make there ball slow and static. maul scrum and kick the ball out for line outs. yes morne kick the ball out. then we can slow the game down to our pace and suck them into our playing pattern. pressure is the name of the game. i still feel we should keep the ball in hand more. we are the best attacking team in terms of yards gained in ratio to the amount of phases. our direct method works but it does not help you force a turn over and old morne turnstile steyn just boots it downfield of the attacking team to restart again. its stupid rugby. sorry to say. with franna out we will revert back to the boring 10 man game again.if you want to kick the ball make it so that you gain a advantage from it. it not just keep the ball. makes no sense the current game plan

      Jacques Ackermann - 2011-10-01 18:45

      @logoll did you watch the super 15 this year...SBW and freun raped that stormers midfield. it was so bad the game should have hab parental guidence on it. they saders cracked that channel for there win in the pools and the playoffs. JDV was the one that was idea that you waste a players vision just for the sake of his boot is just play stupid. lambie had a stormer against samoa. he was almost man of the match but yet you see him not being up to international standard....WOW. i hope and pray you never coach a backline. under the new laws it pays to have a running option at 15. YES a running option. so i doubt you can stick a guy in at 15 that plays for 4 years all his rugby in france. if you just want a guy to boot the ball back to the opposing team why dont you just stick morne steyn in at 15 then. i am gutted about frans and even more worried about the backline. our forwards are great but so is the aussies and the all blacks too. the AB have a great pack and that worries me to no end

      Neilson - 2011-10-01 20:29

      This is a HUGE blow for SA Rugby. Exactly what the Sa-moaner team were looking for to try and injure as many Boks as possible to try and make it easier for their NZ friend. This is pathetic from the IRB if they dont cite at least 5 Sa-moaner players as well as reprimanding or fining the referee for his patheticness. The problem is the IRB are an even more pathetic bunch.

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  • janajonker - 2011-10-01 06:54

    come frans we need ur boot!

      Lance - 2011-10-01 09:22

      Fear not..hes young enough to be at the next WC...with Hougie, Aplon, dejonge, Alberts...and many others.. :-)

  • Mack - 2011-10-01 06:56

    Very Unfortunate. We are gonna miss his boot and physicality and bulk in the midfield. Time for Jean to Step up. Jdv @ 12 and Butch on the bench. Go Bokke!

      Mack - 2011-10-01 07:03

      and fly down Mvovo to replace him.

      AMS-Dammer - 2011-10-01 13:22

      Butch is just as effective at No. 12...

  • wpfan - 2011-10-01 06:58

    Massive blow. But some sources say that Carter might be out for the RWC too. While we would suffer a blow this would be the ultimate disaster for the Kiwis.

      Jack Turner - 2011-10-01 08:40

      wpfan-.....where did you get this "Crap" from...... If we do happen to make the semis...".If"...would it not be great to beat the All Blacks...with a full 100% side, which includes Carter.......

      Magmansa - 2011-10-01 09:01

      He got it from here, or other sites that are reporting on it too

  • steam_engine - 2011-10-01 06:59

    JDV has cursed no 12 jersey!! I would be worried now if I were to wear that jersey!!!!

      pants - 2011-10-01 09:08

      thankfully the closest you will come to wearing that jersey is in your wet dreams.....LOL

  • odysseus - 2011-10-01 07:01

    bad news indeed... but let's see what the doc says after proper diagnosis

  • ChumScrubber - 2011-10-01 07:07

    We'll miss him, his ability to kick those massive penalties was very useful. Hopefully JdV will fill his boots without getting injured. The Aussies have just come off a soft win so I think we'll be up to them.

  • sonnyg - 2011-10-01 07:15

    This is big loss. Frans is such a big match player!!! What is his shoulder injury??

  • Ya Beauty! - 2011-10-01 07:18

    Frans is not out yet he still has a chance lets just wait and see but plan for the worst. He is young and should recover better than the older players.....If the worst did hapen then against australia Butch james would have to be on the bench...

  • BOKBEFOK - 2011-10-01 07:20

    If Steyn is out , then so be it. The Ausies did not look to convincing vs Russia this morning. Bring on the Ausies in Q-final. Go Bokke

      MJ - 2011-10-01 09:06

      Yeah, because the Bokke were sooooooo convincing against Samoa...

      ffaarg - 2011-10-01 11:56

      @MJ At least they beat Samoa.

  • francesco baldini - 2011-10-01 07:27

    No worries, easy quarter final against Italy...

  • Dave - 2011-10-01 07:28

    My worries go beyond Fransie Steyn. We played badly and nearly lost to Wales (ranked 7). We played well against Fiji (ranked 16), what do you expect otherwise. Namibia is a no brainer and no performance merits judgment one sided contest. Samoa (ranked 10), (besides them being a disgrace to the game of rugby through their thuggery), showed us up to not be champion quality. A champion side would have been able to do much better against Somoa than the 1st quarter 13 points we racked up. I'm afraid that Frans might be coming home soon but we will be on his heels after Sunday.

      Ya Beauty! - 2011-10-01 07:31

      Dave you dont have a clue mate please explain how you come to this player thats now trying to act like a rugby expert....

      sonnyg - 2011-10-01 07:34

      Rankings mean sh! t in a World cup. We almost lost to Tonga and fiji in the last WC and still won. Wales on current form are probably the best NH team, and samoa beat aus in aus, neither the ABs or the boks managed that this year.

      Dave - 2011-10-01 07:43

      @Ya Beauty! Never claimed to be a rugby expert, not a soccer player either.Can you in all honesty say that the Bokke have been amazing in this RWC. Yes we have won our games and in the end thats all that matters. But IMHO the point I am trying to make is that when we face a tougher competition like Oz or AB's and we play the kind of rugby that we have up until now..we are going to get klapped!

      Ya Beauty! - 2011-10-01 07:54

      Dave you still dont have a clue mate....are you saying by letting 3 tries aganist the Russian Australia is playing better than the Boks plus they lost to Ireland so what your point to add on Th ABs have just lost Carter......i arrest my case please dont bother to respond you just dont have a clue....

      sonnyg - 2011-10-01 08:03

      Rankings mean sh! t in a World cup. We almost lost to Tonga and fiji in the last WC and still won. Wales on current form are probably the best NH team, and samoa beat aus in aus, neither the ABs or the boks managed that this year.

      Jacques Ackermann - 2011-10-01 19:02

      in a degree i agree with dave. the problem is onfield tactics. we are hell bent on this kick and prey they ^&&*up method of playing. we dont retain the ball and try to force them into mistakes. the new elv's gives the attacking team more advantage. no other country in the world tries this rubbish playing pattern. if we dont keep ball in hand we will suffer against a team that has great disipline on defence. when we had the ball we looked like a other team.

      TOPPIE143 - 2011-10-01 23:46

      @ Ya Beauty!..... As requested your case has been "arrested". No further discussion!

  • ron.lawrance - 2011-10-01 08:07

    Can someone confirm. Is our next game on Saturday or Sunday because I see it is quted as "South Africa are likely to meet Australia in their first knockout game in Wellington next Sunday. " ????

      Espresso - 2011-10-01 09:30

      Sunday 9 Oct at 07h00.

  • Stompies - 2011-10-01 08:38

    Verstaan nie - net 4 weke gelede was JF ej JdV die beste "senterpaar in die wereld"!! Dan is die verlies van Frans moes nou nie so 'n gatslag nie?

      CITIZEN - 2011-10-01 09:07


  • Sheriffff - 2011-10-01 09:05

    big blow

      Northern Stormer - 2011-10-01 09:21

      I share your feelings !!!

      scipio - 2011-10-01 10:27

      Luckily we still got Lambie and Hougaard. Although Frans is a big loss indeed. Would be interesting to know how he's handling it

  • pants - 2011-10-01 09:10

    Samoa should face a ban from WC, they only take pride in injuring opposition.

  • Lukas - 2011-10-01 09:22

    Wie is hierdie KOMKOL poepol ??? Frans Steyn was ons groot hoop om die WC weer huistoe te bring want hy kan enige span van enige plek op die veld laat "huil" ... Jean sou sy deel kon doen op vleul. Samoa was ook nie die probleem nie maar die absolute idioot van Wallis het nie 'n clue gehad nie. Kyk net op die voorblad van Beeld om te sien wat watse game Nigel Owens gemis het. Ref's behoort ook "Rooi Kaarte" te kan kry want hulle en nie die spelers nie, bepaal die uitslae van games. Die Ausies gaan 'n taai neut wees maar ons het HOOP. Go Bokke !

  • MedianN - 2011-10-01 09:26

    AG FFS!

  • Dewald - 2011-10-01 09:59

    This sucks get well soon Frans :(

  • The Rob - 2011-10-01 10:28

    Huge loss for the Boks but that's the nature of the tournament. We won't be the only side to lose top players. Has anyone considered who we have at home that didn't even make the squad because if injury? Juan Smith & Andries Bekker - both possible first choice players. Now with Frans Steyn out it makes our progress that much more difficult. We should beat the Aussies but it's certainly not a given.

  • Tank24 - 2011-10-01 10:29

    Not sure this is going to be such a great world cup, hardly any team is fielding their first 15 anymore. By the time we get to the final we may see the 2nd or 3rd teams playing each other. Hardly the pinnacle of world rugby.

  • Sage - 2011-10-01 11:36

    A loss yes, but not because of Steyn's competence; he's over-rated. Yes, he kicks long range penalties but he's not brilliant at centre. There were some serious gaps in the midfield - and if you think the Samoans exposed us, wait till the AB's see those gaps opening up. Also, FS is a mostly a selfish player - and usually hangs on for too long - did it yesterday on a couple of occasions with speedsters alongside. Problem is, he may be the best we have in the position, and in this sense we have a challenge.

      Jacques Ackermann - 2011-10-01 19:05

      so how do you think the whole backline scored the 150 odd points since jean got injured. did you reckon the fairy godmother passed it to them. SAGE stop sniffing your carpet glue and do your research before you make idiot comments please.

  • Conrad Pieterse - 2011-10-01 11:52

    Is PDV playing mind games here? Watch this hilarious video: Go and smash them!!!!!!!!!!

  • theprodigy - 2011-10-01 12:09

    This is a blow, NZ must be celebrating this news, now we wait to see if McCheat's foot recovers, if the All Brats lose either of Mc Cheat or Carter they will be less than ordinary. England & NZ have nice & easy paths to the Final, England will get there, NZ won't..they will choke against SA or Aus. After NZ crying about Somoa's fine & Englands ball issue, I hope that they lose the one WC that they have been given on a platter...If England or SA are the ones to send them home, it will be all the sweeter...Go Boks, Go ENGLAND !!!!!!!!!!

  • theprodigy - 2011-10-01 12:17

    actually...the headline should read France suffers shock loss.

  • amabok - 2011-10-01 12:38

    He was too slow anyway. Bring in De Jongh!

      Jacques Ackermann - 2011-10-01 18:58

      de jongh will be raped at inside center. a 80 odd kg player trying to stop 110 plus kg running forward...good luck with that one. de jongh is a more natural 13 with his running style. 12 is a complete different prospect. i love de jonghs game but 12 is not his best jumper.

  • George Melanitis - 2011-10-01 13:14

    guys bottom line is that we at least have depth in our team. yes fans steyn is phenominal but lets not forget that jean and jaque are still the best centre pairing in the world. Furthermore i think jean might play with some new vigour to prove that jersey belongs to him. perhaps it will allow de jong to also get more game time to reveal yet another potential jersey contender. Granted, we will lose the ability to slot points from 60+metres. But in that situation i still dont mind kicking for touch and getting a setpiece which we are is still considered to be one of the best in world at. fran's tactical line kicking will also missed, but at least du preez and lambie can do the job, and sometimes when morne steyn is form. this a tradgedy to to our team but thank god for RSA depth.

      Pharo - 2011-10-01 13:59

      Frans made a huge impact at nmbr 12. I suddenly started to believe that we could bring the cup back home. Jean dV is too fragile and please don't mention Butch. He's a thug and collects yellow cards as a hobby. I don't rate our chances at all if Frans goes home.

  • Hugo - 2011-10-01 14:20

    StaalBurgher, I'm a fan of Frans but Christ Almighty is my Saviour.

  • RugbyBoychie - 2011-10-01 14:35

    Eish....BIG monica lewinsky style

  • knopkierie nel - 2011-10-01 14:58

    Ek is nie 'n rugby kenner nie. Maar as hulle Frans Steyn huis toe stuur, wie dink julle moet SA in sy plek oorstuur? Sal graag baie menings wil hoor.

      Glennm - 2011-10-01 20:13


  • JimWes - 2011-10-01 15:00

    reigning champions knocked out in the QF!

      theprodigy - 2011-10-01 17:56

      nice Jim, you are a positive guy, aren't you

  • George Melanitis - 2011-10-01 15:31

    @pharo. you right. butch has his moments. but never at a world cup. if you look at his stats at previous rwc. not one yellow card. jean is fragile but he definitly has flair. lets hope he bring it back. like i said de jong can also now compete for game time to prrevent de villiers frailty. hopefully it will breed fantastic healthy competition between them. bottom line we definitly can come back from this. And guys dont be so pessimistic, we still are number 2 in the world and still are defending this cup. until its over lets be positive. dont be surprised if we win it again. Cause we still have more than enough potential in all 30 players that are there. its a team sport. naas botha said it once it stayed with me always. he said: "you can never write off any south african outfit that comes to play on the day"

  • Glennm - 2011-10-01 16:52

    Put Habana back in centre with Jaques and draft Hougaart to the wing...Habana made his name at centre if you can remember.

  • Juggernaut - 2011-10-01 19:53

    Good night world cup. No: Juan Smith Frans Steyn Bakkies Botha Andries Bekker Coaching staff

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