Bok coach: Kicking is okay

2011-09-12 07:08

Wellington - Peter de Villiers said on Monday his South Africa team would carry on their kicking game as long as poor weather conditions continue and referees struggle to officiate the breakdown consistently.

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The Springboks laboured to a 17-16 win over Wales in their opening Rugby World Cup game on Sunday in a Wellington stadium where squalls of driving rain and swirling rain quickly made defence king.

"Defence has become an art at this tournament," De Villiers said. "The longer this tournament progresses, the more people are going to struggle to cross the gainline.

"And looking after the ball will become very, very important so you can buy a penalty or two and that's why you must have an above-average kicker.

"Sometimes people think that kicking is forfeiting possession," he said. "But we have a strong line-out, we compete for the ball and managed to steal a couple of their throw-ins."

De Villiers highlighted the refereeing of the breakdown as key to his players adapting to the particular interpretation of the laws and deciding on what tactics to employ

"You might keep the ball if they officiate that area of the game very well, but if you see the referee is not on top of that area of the game, you'd rather kick it," he said.

The breakdown, he added, "will become an area in this tournament that's very important for decision making: whether you should kick or hold on to the ball".

"In every team, there is someone very hard on the loose ball. It is one area where they make it very difficult for the referees to officiate because when you flood it they don't know who's offside or not.

"You have to start analysing referees. That's something you didn't have to do 10 years ago.

De Villiers also had praise for the defence of his team against a Welsh side that enjoyed the lion's share of possession and territory.

"We made 178 tackles, we had a great defensive session last night. The structure worked perfectly, but the commitment the guys showed in the system was something that brought out the character of the team."

However, he added: "We didn't stick to our directness in the game. Our two tries were rewards of being direct.

"We took it too wide sometimes on occasion without much cleanness at the breakdown, and they targeted that area and flooded it.

"Kicking was also very, very difficult, the wind was swirling and you couldn't put it where you wanted to."

But the Bok coach admitted that his team, who only wrapped things up with a 65th minute Francois Hougaard try converted by Morne Steyn, had been prepared for a Wales side that had nothing to lose, with games for each side against pool opponents Fiji, Namibia and Samoa to play.

"We always knew it (the Wales game) was going to be the toughest one. For one reason, there'll be a four, five-day turnaround for them to play Samoa, who are going to be fresh," he said.

"We knew they would target us and they threw the kitchen sink at us.

"This pool is actually the pool to win. When you get through this pool, you'll be more conditioned to go to the next phases."

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  • AdriaanAdams - 2011-09-12 07:22

    "But we have a strong line-out, we compete for the ball and managed to steal a couple of their throw-ins." Maybe you need to re look at how many times we actually jump against their throw... If we continue to kick, we might as well kick the trophy away...

      Exoteric - 2011-09-12 07:31

      all the 'senior players' just standing around the rucks and mauls waiting for someone 'else' to get involved, not so muh 'running' to breakdowns as 'stumbling around'. Even Romania, USA and Japan all looked like they were playing Rugby, we just looked like a punch of punch drunch ageing fighters too scared to commit... very sorry sight

      thyspelser - 2011-09-12 07:54

      What bout our 2 lineouts lost by poor throw ins? The modern game is about players being able to compete at rucks and mauls to get turnover ball to create oppertunities..not like JS hanging around and letting the oppostion runnig on to him and creating gaps, but like playing like Bismarck. And when you are in possession, create fast mowing forward ball, by quick suppurt on the ball carrier. It is about skill, athletism and right decision making...again only have to look at JS to see what we lack.

      LG - 2011-09-12 07:56

      I have to agree the kicking game must go. 178 tackles will take a toll on the players especially if it’s one of the tougher sides we're playing. Div in my eye's is definitely the weakest like in the Boks camp.

      roboman1 - 2011-09-12 07:58

      and please kick for territory and touch sometimes, instead of that aimless kicking directly into the hands of their wing or fullback, because then they do not even have to compete for the ball, we are just giving it to them. I am all for kicking for territory, but kick the ball out. It slows the game down and allows us to play at our pace to our strengths

      JohnnyBB - 2011-09-12 08:26

      ....PDV + John Smit = weak-links in the Protea team... ........bye-bye World Cup...!!!

      1nawty0 - 2011-09-12 08:33

      We played like champions for the first 5 minutes of the game..... and we did not kick it away, why did we then kick possession away for the other 75 minutes ??? ballies too scared of contact ( with 4 exceptions) that is exactly what I was worried about, rather put in guys that are prepared to stand-up to the opposition and not roll-over and wet themselves...!!

      DeonL - 2011-09-12 08:38

      We are best at the kicking game and can not change it now, get used to it. With little possession we also scored 2 tries against 1. We will improve.

      clark - 2011-09-12 08:39

      - Hmm - Has'nt he ever noticed that we also kick away possession in games played on sunny days?

      flowing river - 2011-09-12 09:19

      What a sensational performance......... by the current cup holders,it stinks! Suppose a win is a win.....ya that is true if its a final.........for 79,30 min the game cud have gone either way........Still not enuf colour in the team..... Seems as if my predictions will come true ie. Boks out in the first round. A win against Wales by 1point .............pathetic!

      Fred - 2011-09-12 10:21

      Tactical kicking is fine if it is done properly, but on Sunday all we did was kick the ball into their hands or over the goal-line to give Wales possession, which they used effectively because we weren't following up. If we are too tired to follow up, then keep possession and don't kick. Also get rid of Smit, Habana and Spies, and put in fast energetic players to replace them, eg. Bismark, Lambie and Mvovo for starters.

  • QuestionMore - 2011-09-12 07:22

    Poor weather? The Aussies also had "poor weather" and scored 4 tries! Samoa and Fiji are very physical teams and no weather is going to stop them from coming at the Boks. Good luck!

      Blouste-Blou - 2011-09-12 10:00

      Bikt difference between playing Wales or Italy.

  • Marx - 2011-09-12 07:24

    "Squalls of driving rain" wow..I didn't see a drop fall during the game!! We lost the plot at the breakdowns completely. Wales always had men to win the ball and our guys were standing around waiting for something to happen, pretty poor performance upfront, so we can only get better. Injuries is a major concern, our back-up locks aren't up to standard and James was woeful at centre. We needed the win, so we need to build on this.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-09-12 08:01

      @Marx - I know a lot of peeps aren't Jean Div fans...BUT: with Jean in the 12 channel, Morne Steyn's defensive weaknesses are NOT shown up as much. We need Morne on the field - dear stars, anyone watching the goal kicking over the weekend would be in no doubt as to it's importance. **Refer to Poms and Argie game anyone looking for reference** - we need a 85% kicker on - end of. I don't like Butch at 12 at all, and him being there exposed Morne a little more as well IMHO. I have always said Frans Steyn is a 12 and I would love him to play there - BUT: we would miss his massive boot at the back, so I am in 2 minds.....Lambie at 15, but then we forfeit a massive boot, which we desperately need in terms of our gameplan. I wouldn't play Lambie at 12. So I would leave Steyn at 15, play de Jongh at 12 (he and Jaque are also a tried and tested combo) and I would drop both Habana and Pietersen for Fiji, and start with Aplon and Hougaard on the wings - Fiji presents a 7's type attacking opportunity for both these chaps and they are both cool in defence. :) But hey, thats just me :)

      Brannas - 2011-09-12 08:23

      SAFFA, luckily it's only you saying this and nobody cares a F@rk what you saying anyhow, your thinking is worse than PDV's thinking.

      Marx - 2011-09-12 08:27

      Saffa, the key to success will be to get a settled side, the more changes we make the more we will struggle to get momentum. Div needs to stick to his plan and starting 15 as far a possible.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-09-12 08:38

      @Marx - I am talking about the next game.....Fiji. Knockout stages diff story. You really want to risk more injuries - I don't. @Brannas - back in your hole troll.

      Marx - 2011-09-12 08:49

      Saffa, do you understand the term Continuity, we need to keep a core starting line-up with the minimum changes, no matter who we play, THE TEAM NEEDS TO GELL ASAP OR WE CAN COME HOME TODAY.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-09-12 09:00

      @Marx, I agree that the best team should start where possible at all times. I also believe with the sudden injury cloud we have p*ssing down on us, that it might be vital to make a few changes to the 'continuity' thing for the Fiji game at least. The way our players are falling down, we NEED our entire squad match-fit. Were it one injury, no worries, but Bakkies, Vic and Jean already man-down. I am just saying, manage the frikkin starting players for one pool game, that's all. Remember we still have Samoa waiting...... - 2011-09-12 09:07

      Brannas , what the F8%k do you know about rugby , stick to Net Ball girl...... Safa you 100% correct.

      Marx - 2011-09-12 09:34

      Saffa, if you read your own comment again, you will come to the conclusion, and it is the truth, that we are aiming to defend the WC with a squad that has injury worries written all over it, and that is really a shame. Injuries in key positions can be our downfall, specially at lock, were most of the work is done. I can't see Vic playing against Fiji and will be surprised if Bakkies plays one game this WC. Jean can be replaced by de Jongh, no worries there. Our tight 5 needs to fire, asap.

      Gazza69 - 2011-09-12 09:44

      Brannas you are the inspiration for birth stop spilling your KWV and go to school!

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-09-12 09:57

      @Marx - my nerves are condemned. Vic and Jean out for 10 days, so we will see changes for Fiji - I hope they make the right ones though. Ek dink nie ek gaan die WC survive nie, eerlik waar. As dit so begin met beserings.......Maar wat my die meeste pla, en hoekom ek so skree vir veranderings vir Fiji, is dat dit duidelik is dat van die spelers reeds beserings gehad het (ons was bewus van Victor se hammie voor die game) - as dit die geval is, moet elke ou wat 'n semi-besering/besering het nou uitsit, eerder as chaos in die knockouts. Jong, ek weet net nie of ons mediese span opgevoede is vir die taak.......(onthou verlede jaar se verbode middels op die jaareind toer dai mense competent?)

  • Amer - 2011-09-12 07:25

    Is Div hinting that the ref disadvantaged us at the breakdowns? - if anything, the 50/50 decisions went the Boks' way

      anfield - 2011-09-12 08:45

      Especially the refs decision to overule Wales's claim to a successful penalty in the first half. Wondered at the time would this have any bearing on the result. Lucky Boks. Then luck eventually plays a part in any result.

  • Davearch - 2011-09-12 07:25

    I think Julius fever has caught the BOK camp .. they just talk and don't listen to what anyone says .. its mind boggling ... the difference when Bismark, Alberts and Hougaard came on was significant .. Smit, Pietersen, De Villiers, Spies are just not are the required level, Why not start with Bismark, try Alberts at lock, Hougaard on the wing, and Louw with Brussouw on flank with Schalk at 8th man. .. and De Jong to partner Jacque

      Marx - 2011-09-12 07:38

      We do lack spark in the starting line-up. The upside of this is it's only the first game and Wales have been preparing for this game way longer than us. We'll see how they play in the next game but we need to build and not make too many changes 'cause we need a settled side.

      Adrian - 2011-09-12 08:05

      I think Hougaard at scrum half , where Du Preez is not half the player he was 3 seasons ago. He is struggling with his form , so Div might just have to play him in all pool games to try and get some rugby under the belt. But if he doesn't improve significantly , he'll be a hinderance.

      Brannas - 2011-09-12 08:36

      We definitely need some spark in the back line, bring Wynand Olivier back asap and make Yster Spies captain

  • francois.swart1 - 2011-09-12 07:28

    Once again Snor just proves that he really knows nothing of Rugby, the rules and the way the modern Game is played.. Teams like New Zealand and Australia Thrive by playing good positive running rugby the way the modern game is meant to be played. Thares nothing to be gained by kicking the ball away as the rules benefit the attacking team more than the defending team. How can we win a world cup by just kicking the ball away and defending all the time because our coaching staff is not creative enough to work their way around the "Refs" and the "conditions".. Snor you really are a Total and utter disaster for SA rugby..

      BugsyJamesy - 2011-09-12 08:51

      You don't win a World Cup by playing running Rugby, you win it by kicks.

      grant9 - 2011-09-12 09:25

      I gave you a 'thumbs up' Franncois but I think you're being a bit harsh on Snor : can you name any other ANC member who could do a better job?

  • stofsuier - 2011-09-12 07:32

    Pieterson must go, he is as useless as an ashtray on a motorbike.

      Uthikoloshe - 2011-09-12 08:28

      As much use a a cat flap in an elephant house.

      Bootman - 2011-09-12 08:39

      As a solar powered torch.

  • SonderSnor - 2011-09-12 07:35

    Clueless clown!! Samoa will be your tougest game by far. Wake up man!!!!!

      slg - 2011-09-12 07:47

      The guy's an embarrassment to himself and the whole of South Africa. Well done Regan.

      JohnnyBB - 2011-09-12 08:38

      ....PDV and John Smit is a disgrace....!!!!

  • RuggaWarrior - 2011-09-12 07:40

    Fair enough on weather conditions dictate play but damm our game plan is boring!!! the usa vs ire game was more exciting before the the test... get the ball and kick it away.... then get ball back and oh wait... kick it away, i want to see our backline fire!!

  • BokBru - 2011-09-12 07:46

    Oh what a load of pessimistic bunch you are. We won. We played badly and Wales played the game of their lives. That will tell you how good we really are. Australia scored 4 tries in the same conditions, against who, and only in the second half. Come on people. If we win every game by 1 point, even the final, we will still be world champs. You only need to win in the world cup. What are people saying about Wales today. Oh what a great game they played, oh this and oh that. BUT THEY LOST!!! Start supporting your team!!!

      Beasty kid - 2011-09-12 08:44

      Agree with you BokBru, we really are a pessimistic bunch! Go bokke!

  • Chief Kok - 2011-09-12 07:53

    Damn. The boks must be the luckiest team when it comes to WC. 1995 - Semi against France (narrow escape) 2007 - Missed the All Blacks 2011 - Need i say more?

      Barry Edwards - 2011-09-12 08:05

      No need to say say more. You jealous tart !

      BokBru - 2011-09-12 08:13

      Explain 2011 to me. So you also missed the forward pass in the try Wales scored. Very lucky for the Boks hey? In rugby you get some and you don't get others. It's the way it is. 2007? Not our fault the All Blacks choked.

      Hannes van der Linde - 2011-09-12 08:15

      Hey Cock, if the All Blacks were good enough in 2007, they would've been in the final. Nuf said

      scipio - 2011-09-12 08:16

      The All blacks must be the luckiest team on the planet 1987 - No Springbok team SO that leaves... 0 trophies. Good game mate, Sorry you lost this round

      scipio - 2011-09-12 08:19

      That's lady luck Bokbru. At the end of the day justice prevailed. Wales try was not legit, but because we won every one is hammering on about the kick by Hook. Had we lost, every one would have cried about the illegitimate try coming from a forward pass.

      JohnnyBB - 2011-09-12 08:30

      Agree Chief Kok, ....the PDV-Proteas were VERY lucky to win against Wales........!!!! ........Go All Blacks..!!!!

      Chief Kok - 2011-09-12 08:31

      The boks had a pathetic display of rugby (always do). Only losers say: A win is a win - never here NZ or Aus say stupid things like such. I can't understand how you justify that the boks played well. That was an inexperienced Wales side with lots of youngsters, almost causing the upset of the year. I also hear things like Wales was a character test. My goodness. Wales should not give the boks a character test? A team should have a character test against the All Blacks. Oh, how I wished you lost yesterday. I wished. I wished....

      Chief Kok - 2011-09-12 08:33

      @Barry. Why should I be jealous about the boks??? Are you stupid???

      gooinat - 2011-09-12 08:37

      Small Kok,we wanted to win that game yesterday because we want to break the AB's hearts again in the semis.

      scipio - 2011-09-12 08:39

      Kok your a Capie bru. What's with the "here in NZ, AUS" comments? Seriously ou. Some of us on here aint that thick. You don't speak for NZ, neither for Australia. You speak for the AB fans in the cape. You are a fan of the game, not a student of the game. A win is a win. Graham Henry and the previous AB coaches would have loved to say that in 1995, 1999, 2003, 2007, even if they didn't deserve the win. Believe me ;)

      Chief Kok - 2011-09-12 09:02

      @scipio: You're under illusion dude. Get out of it.

      BokBru - 2011-09-12 09:39

      @Kok. No one said the Boks played well. They were really bad but still won. Say a lot about a team if you can do that. Did you mean to say here in Cape Zealand? @JohnnyBB. Why were the Boks VERY lucky to win. Wales scored a try from a forward pass. That's besides No 7 coming in from the side to win the penalty that lead to the try. We also missed a drop kick. You take your opportunities or you lose.

      Barry Edwards - 2011-09-12 11:16

      @Chief. I have no idea what you can be proud about. All you got is Richie Mc Cheat and a bunch of trolls that follow him everywhere.

      Chris in Oz - 2011-09-12 11:30

      @Chief "fake AB supporter" Kok. Gary Player once said: The more I practice, the luckier I get. If the Boks got lucky once, I'd agree, they're a lucky team. But by making a habit of what you call being lucky, I'd say they're actually good. They're winning pressure games. No matter how much respect I have for the AB's and how good they are, the fact remains, they make a habit of loosing pressure games. Luck has absolutely nothing to do with it.

  • Grunk - 2011-09-12 07:55

    The only kicking that should be worried about at present is kicking Smit out of the team. My blog June 13, 2011 at 12:12 was pertinent for the Sharks then as it is for the Boks now - "Why should Smit even be in the team? Even Plumtree has now realised that the only time the Sharks get any degree of superiority is when Smit is OFF the field. Imagine what the Sharks could do if he was off the whole 80 minutes? " That says it all.

  • - 2011-09-12 08:04

    Where was Spies, it looked like he wasn't playing. F.Du Preez is over it, Roussow was terrible. Time for changes, Anyone who watched the game will only now realize what a impact Vermulen's injury is to our world cup chances. Spies has had one decent game this year.

  • Hads - 2011-09-12 08:10

    I agree Adriaan. One minute he is talking about keeping the kicking game and the next he says possession is very very important. How can you have possession if you kick the ball away every time. Du Preez really got on my wick. The only way to win a match is to have the ball to play. I was disgusted at the Boks performance.

  • pants - 2011-09-12 08:13

    Im glad we won....but we did not deserve it. PDiv was handed a great team and failed to build on it. You cant win against decent opposition when you don't have the ball. Kicking against a slightly better team... Samoa is going to cost us.

  • scipio - 2011-09-12 08:14

    Lol @ All these supporters pretending they know more about Rugby then PDV and his cronies. Your opinion about team selections doesn't matter. No one cares. Your support does matter. The Boks won. All you have to say is Yay! Until we lose there is nothing to complain about. I remember 2007 and you "supporters" doomed the Boks to fail after the Fiji game too. The RWC is about winning. You don't even have to be convincing about it.

      Michael - 2011-09-12 13:05

      Amen to that!

  • - 2011-09-12 08:21

    YOR!!!!! But Fourie Du Preez was rubbish!!!!!!

  • coenie.koch - 2011-09-12 08:21

    It needs to be noted that Morne Steyn (1) was a very weak link in defence, (2) was kicking senselessly, (3) could not get his backline moving, (4) was not the scoring factor because the team was not able to apply enough pressure to force goalable penalties. We need a no 10 who can get his backline on the front foot, who can defend his channel, and can attack the advantage line. I would there-fore give Lambie a change against Fiji provided that his shoulder injury is ok,

      JohnnyBB - 2011-09-12 08:34

      ..correction, .....the problem is Jean de Villiers... ...overrated paloooka... ...he cant tackle and always want to interceopt... ...send him home asap.......!!

      Hannes van der Linde - 2011-09-12 10:39

      Next game, fourie 9 (although he had bad game, hope thing pick up) Lambie 10, Hougaard 11, de Jongh 12, Fourie 13, JP 14, Frans 15

      Louw - 2011-09-12 11:06

      @Hannes van der Linde. Ek hou van die klomp. Sal net nog vir Spies vervang met Alberts en Smit met Du Plessis

  • Jackool - 2011-09-12 08:22

    The Boks won didn't they. What did you expect, a runaway victory over the 6th ranked team in the world? Who says Wales deserved the win...if they couldn't beat the Boks on the day, they obviously don't deserve to win. Next three games are going to be easy.

      BokBru - 2011-09-12 09:46

      Totally agree. Watch the Boks. They will only get better as we go on.

  • jay - 2011-09-12 08:39

    did not use the wind behind their backs enough in the first half...every up and under was giving the Welsh backs problems...we should have used that more to our advantage knowing they were going to do the same in the 2nd half

  • Dan - 2011-09-12 08:41

    Always said the breakdown laws allows refs to give 50/50 calls at almost every ruck. Tackler must release the ball carrier before contesting, the ball carrier must release the ball immediately, the tackler must roll clear immediately and release the ball carrier, no hands in the ruck, players must enter throught he gate (what gate one might ask in some games). All these silly laws can be applied both ways at every single ruck. The Ref therefore can score all the points in the game and we see it all too often. The ruck laws is are as confusing as the coachingof the Boks

  • CM38 - 2011-09-12 08:41

    Just reading some of these comments i think that we are being very harsh on DIV and the team. We must not forget that the Welsh played very well and on the day would have gave any team a run for they money. The BOKS had won and yet we still grace negativety, which makes me wonder had we lost what the outcome would have been. It's only Div and the BOKS first round opener and im sure that they will be well prepared for their next encounter! lets get behind our team and support them rather than winding about the negative! GO BOKKE

      BokBru - 2011-09-12 09:44

      @CM38. You must remember that most comments are made by rugby critics and not rugby experts. The Boks will peak at the right time. No use peaking at the wrong time. We are building up to the business end of the WC. Go Bokke!!

      StaalBurgher - 2011-09-12 11:21

      Yeah, I am also surprised how negative everyone is. Wales played out of their skins, got a forward pass try but despite their high possession % made relatively few inroads into our defense. We lost the ball on a number of occassions, tactical kicks bounced badly etc. The two times we had possession for a decent period we scored tries. We didn't play that well, and looked disjointed at times, but even with the refs help the Welsh still couldn't beat us. That is a positive in itself.

  • Bootman - 2011-09-12 08:44

    Get Elton Jantjies on a plain to NZ. Now that laaitie is a flyhalf.

      Rugganut - 2011-09-12 17:24

      AGREED 100% Bootman...such a HUGE talent...reminds me of Carter and Cooper

  • Greegs - 2011-09-12 08:44

    @ SAFFA CAT - I don't agree with you on a lot of points. Lambie is a way better option than Steyn at 15, he's better under the highball, better positionally and way better on attack and defence. You want to keep Frans Steyn because he kicks it 15m further than Lambie? The Boks do not have the game plan or strategy to win the WC. They continue to kick away possession and play "bash ball" with teams that are up to the challenge. The Boks beat the Lions with this team.....we also beat Wales in Wales with our B team last year.....and we nearly lose to them yesterday with our A team. We've taken 2 steps back I'm afraid to say.....

  • darren - 2011-09-12 08:48

    An Oscar Wilde's quote springs to mind "insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"

  • Michael - 2011-09-12 13:01

    Everyone is making such heavy water of this. The bottom line is: The Springboks won!For a bit of parallel, Spain won the Fifa World Cup 1-nil over Holland. So what if it wasn't 7 goals. That's not the point. The Boks won the game fair and square. And who spotted the referee double officiating?! A forward pass for the Welsh try, scrum penalties against the Boks when the reverse angles showed it was the Welsh who were infringing...The was so windy that obviously the ball would drift to one side.And he kept the advantage going until the Welsh ran out of puff and then gave them a penalty. So far, I've seen most of the games and I'm sorry, but the All Blacks didn't impress with a sloppy handling performance.The Wallabies were far removed from the Tri-Nations game they played. England must still be wandering how they won, what with kneeing the opposition and all. (And the Saffas are the infamous thugs of world rugby!!!)France, got a helluva fright against the Japs...So far, it hasn't been stellar! It was the opening week. Fiji will face the Boks who are NOT Namibia! All I know is, the trophy is still up for grabs...and we've still got one hand on it!

  • Rugganut - 2011-09-12 15:05

    Kicking is fine...when it is done well. Unfortunately it wasnt done well on Sun...i.e. we couldnt find touch and the up and unders were too long. Another huge problem - our forwards were not protecting OUR many times did the backline players TRY and compete on the ground because the forwards were nowhere. We have the toughest and most physical opposition in our Group for sure, so I realise that the overall plan during the Group stage will be for our forwards to pace themselves and that is the reason why they did not compete on the ground too much when the Welsh had the ball (standing off and defending rather) but you HAVE to compete when we have the ball and protect our possession!! I think we had belief in our own ability to defend against Wales and I think that is why we allowed them so much possession. For Samoa however, our kicking and protection of our ball is PARAMOUNT as we need to starve them of possession and keep them pinned in their own half...but this will require a HUGE physical effort!!!!!!!! Fiji - they are poor defensively so we shouldnt have a problem (Namibia found holes bigger than the Grand Kanyon) and Namibia should be a formality for us...I would like to poach there 10, 13 and 15 though!!!

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