Rage over leniency towards NZ

2012-11-15 07:42

London - The International Rugby Board (IRB) promised a revision of its disciplinary system after a one-week ban given to New Zealand's Adam Thomson for stamping on Wednesday provoked a storm of protest.

Thomson is now set to miss the All Blacks' Test against Italy in Rome on Saturday but will be available to play against Wales and England in the remaining international fixtures of the world champions' European tour.

The flanker, having been cited for "stamping or trampling" on the head of Scotland's Alasdair Strokosch during New Zealand's 51-22 victory at Murrayfield on Sunday, was given a one-week ban by an IRB disciplinary hearing in London on Wednesday.

Former England hooker Brian Moore described Thomson's suspension as "ludicrously lenient".

And the punishment was in marked contrast to the eight-week ban handed out to Australia lock Rob Simmons by a separate IRB hearing in London earlier on Wednesday for a "tip tackle" on France flanker Yannick Nyanga during the Wallabies' 33-6 defeat in Paris on Saturday.

Thomson, unlike Simmons whom the match officials at the Stade de France could not identify as the guilty party, did receive a yellow card at Murrayfield although Scotland coach Andy Robinson was not alone in thinking the forward had been fortunate to avoid being sent off.

IRB chief executive Brett Gosper, who took up his post in June, responded to Moore's comments and similar complaints on Twitter by saying: "The IRB will review this case as it is a match under our jurisdiction.

"If we decide to take action we will make it public," the Australian added.

Samoa centre Eliota Fuimaono-Sapolu slammed the Thomson verdict and compared it with the three-week ban he received from England's Rugby Football Union last year for tweets about Owen Farrell.

"I got 3 weeks for sarcastic tweets. So had I just rucked Farrells head I would have got only a week? Its just so comical these days," Fuimaono-Sapolu said.

Simmons, a replacement forward in Paris, received a ban of eight 'active' weeks' that took into account he was not scheduled to play immediately after the end of a Wallaby tour that sees them play England at Twickenham this weekend before Tests with Italy and Wales.

His suspension runs until February 24 and leaves Australia with just two fit locks heading into Saturday's Cook Cup clash at Twickenham.

Both Thomson and Simmons have a right of appeal.


  • chrisin.oz.1 - 2012-11-15 07:49

    No, but up till now South Africans were just whiners when they went on about the lenient treatment of New Zealand players when it came to bans and citings........ It's good to see the rest of the world is joining the chorus.

      wayne.redman.7 - 2012-11-15 07:57

      e again the cheating AB's get away with murder--crazy

      ruan.vanniekerk.754 - 2012-11-15 08:01


      nick.armstrong.1800 - 2012-11-15 10:09

      Exactly!! We've always known this! From the cheating and match-fixing of Paddy O'Brien and his complicit refs for years and years (eg Bryce Lawrence) - to no punishment handed out to NZ players for 'indiscretions' - whether on-field (remember Richie McCaw's never-ending "warning", "warning", and "warnings" from the refs in the 2010 Tri-Nations) - to lenient bans handed out by the citing commissions to their players for blatant dirty play... Remember Brad Thorn's tip-tackle on John Smit in 2008 - that ended John's season?? The scum IRB citing commission only gave that piece of sh#t a 1 week ban... Now - juxta-position that against the punishments handed out to Bakkies Botha et al - for far less serious indiscretions... Bakkies got how many weeks for a head-but in 2010? Yet - Adam Thompson only gets 1 week for raking a player - on the head...??? I could go on and on and on here with cases from the last 16 years... You a f##kin joke, IRB!! F##k the New Zealand scum and f##k the IRB appeasing the NZRFU!!!

      Caleb - 2012-11-16 02:18

      Oh yeah i thought everyone on the IRB was against SA. NZ and Aus get treated leniently according to whinging , 'poor me' Saffas on here but Simmons got a hefty ban, so that throws another ludicrous conspriacy out the window. Next.

      Caleb - 2012-11-16 05:57

      Here you go Nick.Armstrong you muppet, clearly you are so biased you just brush over all these incidents, the worst one is Schalk Burger! The nerve to call AB's cheats, let he without sin cast the first stone, douche. Your holier than thou Springbok team: Oh and there are so many more... Whos the scum now, douche.

  • ruan.smith.14 - 2012-11-15 07:49

    Its really not the first time that the All Blacks have received light punishments. Prob also not the last!!

      byron.wright.102 - 2012-11-15 09:36

      Who can remmeber Brad thorn assualting John Smit! I get so annoyed when people say he got two weeks for a spear tackle. JS never touched the ball and it was about 5 seconds after the whislte- it is the equilvalent of running up to a guy at half time and giving him a punch!

      Jimmy NZ - 2012-11-15 11:33

      Bakkies caused that scrap! Brad just ended it!

      gungets.tuft - 2012-11-15 16:21

      Jimmy - so what. He picked John up, after the whistle, dumped him and the F!@#$@#$^ ref claimed he did not see it. Cheating plain and simple. You would excuse anything. One of these days someone other that a shackle-dragger will head up the IRB and you won't get "kissing cousin" treatment

  • phumlani.loliwe - 2012-11-15 08:06

    Its quite clear an All Black has to assault or take an eye out to be punished properly...but then again they've been handled with kid gloves for years now, so this shouldn't surprise us!

      Caleb - 2012-11-16 02:26

      You know what, and this applies to all you WHINGING SAFFAS, the IRB judiciary is an independent committee, I dont even think there are any NZ'ers on the panel, but i may be wrong. How on earth are you going to call NZ cheats when they cannot influence the outcome, this has nothing to do with the AB's. Due judicial process occurrs with every hearing, and the result is the conclusion of the panel not one individual. You guys just reak of bitterness that youre getting left behind in the modern game.

  • Adeeb Saban - 2012-11-15 08:09

    Nothing new in rugby, they basically got handed the last world cup..... France were desperately unlucky. Then they had old Bryce Lawrence take care of the Boks. The leniency, rule changes to suit the AB's, daylight robberies, etc, wont stop, becos the AB's are seen as the saviours of a dying sport...

      Caleb - 2012-11-16 02:15

      Hahaha you gotta be kidding me, handed the cup because the Saffa team was too crap to score points !!! No World cup is handed, and the best ref in the world at that time reffed the final. This is why your country is the laughing stock of the world, your bitterness and conspiracy theories are relentless.

  • pierre.flyadvertising - 2012-11-15 08:11

    Ag please.Richie McCaw rewrites the rule book every time he plays and nothing happens so we are so used to this!New Zealand forwards often clear a 5 metre radius of the ball when they ruck and nothing happens!same old same old

      Jimmy NZ - 2012-11-15 11:32

      We're just special and the rest of you lot should respect our authority! From now on in everybody should just surrender to the might All Blacks! Pffft! What you all fail to realise is that what you put out there, so you reap! We have an excellent disciplinary record where as the Boks looks more like a bloodbath. I agree that Thompsons action were bad, but when was the last time we had an issue? Brad Thorn dumping Smit maybe (4 years ago)? The infringements against us far outweigh our own actions, think about it!

  • deonk - 2012-11-15 08:58

    Lets be honest if that was one of our players he would get four weeks... what a joke!

      Caleb - 2012-11-16 06:00

      Thats because most of your players have a history of thuggery, its the only way they can intimidate the opposition! Bakkies, Johan Le Roux, Burger et al. Oh yeah and Butch James, is a pin up boy for a smash in the face club!

  • steve.vanrooyen - 2012-11-15 10:46

    If a Bok had done that he would be hanged! Absolute madness when I saw it live I though minimum 6-8 weeks!!!

  • gordon.wright.144 - 2012-11-15 11:11

    Robbie Kempson got jail time for a late tackle. By that same logic, if he had been an AB he could have rucked the guys eye out and got a 1 week ban.

  • Jimmy NZ - 2012-11-15 11:37

    Coming from the THUGS of world rugby, really? Your conspiracy theories and hypocricy is getting so pathetic! Play some decent rugby and worry about your own game. Bok supporters love to blame everybody else for their own failings, can't blame you though, it's a common SA trend!

      nick.armstrong.1800 - 2012-11-15 12:34

      New Zealand - born and bred to cheat!! It's in their DNA! Play hard - that's one thing. Play dirty - another thing. Both 'happen' in rugby - and are actually "part of the game".. Cheating - that goes against the very ethics of the game. But those scum in the land of the long white hot dog are happy to cheat - so long as they win... Remember 1978 at Cardiff Arms Park?? The ultimate cheat - when Wales were leading just before full-time - Andy Haden actually jumped out the final line-out near the Welsh 22m - to dupe the ref into thinking he'd been pushed - it worked - NZ got their penalty - kicked it over - and the cheating scum won... You welcome to read about the cheating here: Mmmmmmm...shall we talk about that other scum-cheat - Sean Fitzpatrick - and his pathetic attempt to steal a penalty in the 1995 RWC Final - when he clasped his jaw and threw himself to the ground with no-one around hime - to make it look like Joost vd Westhuizen (who was 2 metres away) had punched him...??? I have seen the photo-essay myself - looks absolutely pathetic - but, yeah - sums up a New Zealander perfectly: CHEAT!!

      steve.vanrooyen - 2012-11-15 13:16

      So Jimbo, the 'boot' is on the other foot! now who are the thugs ha! kettle pot Allblack? your comment is pathetic

      dean.alcock2 - 2012-11-15 13:29

      The use of the word hypocrisy is quite amusing coming from a kiwi, who's coach just a few weeks ago had a whinge about Australia "stealing" their players. And BTW Jimmy, they are not was YOUR referee who started it all by sending a fax stating that the NZ and Aussie ref's needed to "Teach the Jappies a lesson"....fact not theory. That same referee is now the head of the International Rugby Board's Referee Board...nuf said. Another of your ref's conveniently "froze" (Richie McCaw's word not mine) in the Aus vs SA semi last year, and was then voted the NZ ref of the year before being dropped from the IRB panel..... what do you reasonably expect Bok supporters to think??? This incident with Thomson is just the latest incident of the AB's getting preferential treatment from officials both on and off the field.

      Jimmy NZ - 2012-11-15 13:41

      Bla, bla, bla... it's so old! We must be cheats because bitter bokkie fans say so! Cry me a river! It's not your God given right to win everything and then find any and every excuse to make you feel better! Constantly performing well will surely make all your bitterness abate, but until then stick to your FB protests and crying!

      Jimmy NZ - 2012-11-15 13:45

      PS. If you weren't such dirty thugs (the whole worlds view not mine) you would probably stand in a better light! My how you so quickly forget your past and present discretions! You lads honour and praise your thugs. Thompson probably won't play another game for the AB's...

      jimmy.moustache.12 - 2012-11-15 15:53

      NICK. Don't forget 1981 when the NZ ref awarded a penalty for a crooked throw in the scrum and Alan Hewson kicked the series winning penalty. Even the NZ players afterwards said they felt embarrassed by the cheating. But 2 generations later it doesn't bother them anymore. It's now just part of life.

      eblom1 - 2012-11-15 22:02

      @jimmy. you are the creaters of conspiracy theories.ask suzy?I think its time we start a petition again on facebook to get rid of paddy.

      Caleb - 2012-11-16 02:10

      @ nick- typical holier than thou sentiment coming from the likes of you! You drag up all the old things that the AB's have done in the past yet you mention nothing of SA cheats, of which the world has known about for a long time, what about the refs of the old days whereby they had to be SA if a home test was played in SA, no neutral refs!! Conveniently forgotten about that havent you, just another bitter twisted Saffa thats pissed off they cant keep up with the AB's in the modern game despite having 4x the players to choose from, so therefore look for any indiscretion the AB's do and ignore all those from the Springboks. Greyling only got Two weeks for a blatant stiff arm that had no intention other than to take McCaw out of the game, but lets brush over that shall we coz hes SA, your team is known as the thugs of the world becuse of their many indiscretions, i mean take a look at Bakkies history! Thats says it all and plays a huge part when in front of the judiciary.

      Rich.Dolgun - 2012-11-16 03:43

      @Dean, check your facts regarding the head of IRB's referee board - it's not a kiwi. Stamping or trampling? What a load! He hardly touched him. I know heads are off limits but don't make this into something that it isn't. He lightly scraped Alasdair's headgear at best. All the whinging on here is comical coming from a bunch of Saffas. It's not like he dove over a ruck and smashed him with his forearm.

      Caleb - 2012-11-16 05:46

      Hahaha precisely! If Thompson was a Saffa, everyone would be saying its not exactly stomping, most people commenting here have not actually seen it, if they had, they would be able to tell that it wasnt a good old working over. It still should be worthy of a ban, but if the shoe was on the other foot, Saffas would not be crying so much, guarantee it.

  • calvin.cona - 2012-11-15 12:35

    Again IRB , NZ joke nothing new

      eblom1 - 2012-11-15 22:04

      I knew this was gonna happen.

  • pieter.thefuture - 2012-11-15 15:39

    There should be set rule scale for punishment - work out the max punishment for an offence and then view the item via a scale - this way no one can say they were unfairly punished lets say a punishment of 6 weeks for offence X here is the scale quick scale I made in 3 min - accidental - 0% 0 weeks (ie. reflex, clearly no intent) repeated accidental - 15% 1 week (if cited for the same offence in a certain amount of time) intentional with mitigating circumstances - 30% 2 weeks (ie. there is intent, but not deemed to be serious of nature) intentional - 50% 3 weeks intentional with malice - 80% 5 weeks (ie. tried to hurt opponent) intentional with malace and - 100% 6 weeks aggravating circumstances (ie. - opponent was injured) repeated intentional - 100% + repeat offender ban

  • jimmy.moustache.12 - 2012-11-15 15:44

    wow. NZders are truly the thugs of world rugby. this is really sad to see. cheat, lie and steel their way to a WC victory. i wonder if the players actually feel they deserved it??? CAN'T LIE TO THE MAN IN THE MIRROR.

      Caleb - 2012-11-16 02:12

      No no no son, that title is your country's and your country's alone. One incident like that doesnt transfer the title

  • gerrit.vanbreda1 - 2012-11-15 16:03

    And its the same in Super rugby, nz teams gets away with murder. Cant wait for the day they stop Super rugby and give us the great Springbok tours we were used to.

      Caleb - 2012-11-16 02:19

      Dont be so bloody one eyed.

  • scotty.donaldson - 2012-11-16 04:11

    It is easy to point the finger when you aren't the best team in the world. Do Springbok supporters ever think that maybe their team isn't the best in the world for reasons other than the favourable treatment that the All Blacks get?

      Rich.Dolgun - 2012-11-16 13:22

      Great piece.

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