Province to gain Gold again?

2011-11-02 12:05

Cape Town – In what quickly could become the worst kept secret in South African rugby, Western Province rugby may seem to be preparing itself for a minor renaissance as a result.

Allister Coetzee is widely regarded to pip all-comers and fill the Springbok coaching job left vacant by Peter de Villiers, but he has not stipulated whether he will apply for the job or not, only confirming that he is still contracted to Western Province rugby till the end of the 2012 season.

Likewise, Rassie Erasmus recently declined taking a direct coaching role within the Springbok team, thus leaving the door open to suggestion that he is still available for any other role within SARU, should they come knocking.

It was recently reported that Erasmus would instead fill the new post created by SARU as their director of rugby, but it is unclear what the role would entail or if it is anything like Erasmus’s current position at Western Province rugby.

According to reports in Thursday’s Cape Times, a source at SARU revealed that Coetzee is indeed being lined up and seen as the prime candidate to become the next coach of the two-time rugby World Cup winning team.

“At this moment, Allister is still the number-one choice to be the Springbok coach, said the Cape Times source.

“Rassie is probably going to be the director of rugby, although we haven’t finalised anything yet.”

If that statement is anything to go by, then it would give Province yet another headache as they would have to fork out more cash in an effort to bring a reputable name to the spiritual home of South African rugby.

Outgoing Springbok assistant coach, Gary Gold is believed to be earmarked for a return to Cape Town after coaching the Western Province team in 2007 before being appointed in his current position.

The Cape Times further suggests that former London Irish Head coach would probably assume the role left vacant by Erasmus, leaving the way for either Matthew Proudfoot or John Dobson, coaches currently contracted to the WPRU.

However, WPRU president, Toby Titus has dismissed these suggestions.

“I want to hear who has applied for the Bok job and if anyone has been approached by Saru.

“I will find that out in Friday’s Saru President’s Forum meeting in Johannesburg. We have not spoken about our coaches.”


  • Kevin - 2011-11-02 12:23

    OH NOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Why do we have to have another 4 years of hell with another AA Coach????

      Ryan - 2011-11-02 12:30

      f*ck SARU and the politics if another AA gets appointed. what has Coetzee won as coach ??????? look at the enormous amount of talent WP has yet he couldnt win the Currie cup or Super. and only a pitiful semi this year. the Sprinboks will be mediocre with him as opposed to great. so tired of the bullsh1t

      Ryan - 2011-11-02 12:31

      the true sign of a bunch of idiots is making the same mistake twice. at least he's better than Div, but thats small consolation for me.

      Rene - 2011-11-02 12:34

      It seems we should just all do a 'Luke Watson' with the Bok jersey since not even SARU respect the Bok jersey any more!!!

      Steenbra - 2011-11-02 12:53

      So r you saying he(AC) is absolutely useless. Like Mitchell was when he was at the helm of the Western force... no success. Everybody now saying he(Mitchell) would be SA's rugby saviour. Wasnt successful as AB coach and neither @ the Force, so what makes everyone believe that he would be a great SA coach

      Ryan - 2011-11-02 13:04

      @ Steenbra .. no-one said AC is absolutely useless. hes ok. youre wrong about Mitchell ... second most successul AB coach of all time (82 % success), just slightly worse than Henry. him and Spencer worked a MIRACLE with the Lions. with the Force, they were a brand new team starting from scratch. i cant comment too much there. Mitchell is a very good coach. I also think that Carlos Spencer brought a lot to the party. they work very well together.

      Spearo - 2011-11-02 13:12

      At least AC has some Currie Cup and Super 15 experience and although not winning anything, he took the team far. When last did we have an Bok coach with some experience? He is not a bad coach. Maybe not the best in SA but he is pretty damn good and we can do a lot worse. He is also not stupid and he will surround himself with knowledgeable people. I think the Boks should have a South African coach. Sorry but that is just me being sentimental.

      Johan - 2011-11-02 13:29

      His only experience is that of LOSING

      Steenbra - 2011-11-02 15:07

      And I''m not compltely wrong about Mitchell. He is not the 2nd most successful coach NZ coach. Only coached from 2002/2003. Failed at the WC and got chopped. he ranks behind Grizz Wyllie, Henry, Allen and failed to impress @ the Western force. I'm not saying he is a bad coach, but one has to look at things in perspective. Lions were 2nd from bottom. One has to ask the question whether they would have been in the top 4 if it wasnt a WC year. No doubt they played well. We are quick to slate AC, yet Heynecke as director of rugby didnt do well for the Bulls at all. They failed to show any signs of planning as their results show being finalists at VC level.

      Ryan - 2011-11-02 15:48

      @ Steenbra ... the Currie Cup only really starts in the playoffs and all teams had their best players back. the Lions with no stars drilled a WP and Sharks side with loads of Boks. the world cup made no difference. clearly if the boks only got back after the Currie Cup final, then you could make that argument.

      Spearo - 2011-11-03 07:13

      @Ryan - the WP still didn't have Elstad, Bekker, Vermeulen, Grant etc.

  • Lionel - 2011-11-02 12:25

    What about Nick Mallet...........,please not Gary Gold!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Andre - 2011-11-02 12:32

    WTF!!, what has AC achieved with province? bubkess thats what.

      Ryan - 2011-11-02 12:37

      and thats with all the player talent he had. even more unforgivable. the Lions had no Boks and look what Mitchell/Spencer did. quite extraordinary. shows the value of a top coach and desire in a team.

      Steenbra - 2011-11-02 12:55

      And dont forget how successful Rassie was as Province

  • Andre - 2011-11-02 12:58

    Alistair Coetzee is not even half the shadow of a person like Hanneke Meyer or John Mitchell.Can you imagine a Springbok coaching team consisting of Hanneke Meyer,John Mitchel and Rassie Erasmus? If they choose Alistair and Rassie,you will get a Biased WP based Springbok team and as we all know,the current WP springboks are NOT up to scratch with the only REAL springboks being Schalk,Juan de Villiers and Jaque Fourie.A Hanneke/John/Rassie coaching team WILL BE BIASED.

  • leonard.djouba - 2011-11-02 13:04

    Allister ? NUMBER ONE CHOICE ? ARE SARU A BUNCH OF STUPID crazy incompetents ? What has allister achieved at WP ?Are the stormers a winning team ? I am sorry but if this is a political crap decision Im out and will not look at rugby in SA anymore...

      Spearo - 2011-11-02 14:02

      He took them from 10th on the Super 15 list and got them to a final and a semi final in 2 years respectively. So he didn't win any trophies but maybe you would have noticed that rugby is a team sport and it requires more than 1 person to win a trophy.

      leonard.djouba - 2011-11-02 15:22

      I think there is a misunderstanding....We dont want the boks to go in final or semi final and not win them...WE WANT THEM TO WIN EVERY FRICKIN GAME FFS !!!!!

      Jan-Burger - 2011-11-02 15:29

      I have to agree with Spear! Silverware isn't the only thing. Of course that is what everybody want, but the smallest thing in a semi or a final could've been different, then he would've been the best in the country in your eyes? He took WP from the bottom half and put them in finals and semi finals in only two seasons. For me that is great!

      coolshoesouthafrica - 2011-11-05 13:58

      Leonard, who else is there???

  • Ryan - 2011-11-02 13:21

    @ Spear ... what do you mean AC took WP far ??? he took them nowhere. no trophies, so im not sure what you mean. and thats with a team jam packed with stars where it should be a helluva lot easier. and fyi, im a WP supporter, not a Lions supporter.

      Spearo - 2011-11-02 13:40

      I'm also a WP supporter. he got them in finals and semi finals, but unfortunately you can't coach BMT. The Stromers players choked, not to say the coach suck. When Lambie hand of S. Burger and score under the post in the Currie Cup final is this AC's fault? When your only criteria is silverware then by your own logic all other coaches that didn't win something in the last 4 years are poor coaches. Come on...

      Ryan - 2011-11-02 14:08

      Spear, I certainly believe a great coach can engender BMT in his players. firstly. secondly, ya success is pretty much all about trophies. certainly for a team with as many stars as WP (and as much potential), their success should be based on the trophies they win. success for a dog of a team might be being competetive. but for a team with lots of resources, success should be measured by trophies. admit that what Mitchell/Spencer did with a team with far less resources says a lot about their ability as coaches. the Lions dont have any stars, but they have far more variety and spark about their play than WP. can WP even score tries ???

      Spearo - 2011-11-02 14:19

      What you say is all true Ryan, Mitchell and Spencer is great etc. To make AC out as bad is certainly not the case. You can coach the living hell out of a time but if they don't fir on the day what can you do as a coach? Also with half of our Super 15 pack injured and playing like our 5th choice fly half and with poor props I think WP did pretty well this year in the Currie Cup. It is also not like AC has been coaching the WP for the last 10 years without success, he is only coach for a couple of seasons now and the Wp showed a huge improvement since he took over. I think people are being seriously unfair to him. He might not be the best coach in SA but he is a very decent coach.

      Ryan - 2011-11-02 15:51

      Spear, I never said AC is bad. I said hes ok, and maybe hes a bit better than ok.

      Kosie - 2011-11-02 15:58

      @ ryan: then graeme henry was a bad coach cause it took him 8 years to get the RWC. and the all blacks sucked because it took them 24 years.

  • Johan - 2011-11-02 13:27

    Over all (AC, RE and GG) VERY bad news for WP and Bokke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Phil - 2011-11-02 13:36

    Fact is that the coaching job seems like a poisoned chalice. You would think that this would be one of the most coveted jobs in the world.

  • Gordon - 2011-11-02 13:50

    Does anyone remember that AC is the last WC winning assistant coach under JW? or do u only see him through the colour glasses again?

      Spearo - 2011-11-02 13:56

      I'm freaken white Afrikaner male and I think that AC is a brilliant coach and he would be a great Bok coach if he gets the correct supporting staff. Unfortunately there will be people that disagree and that doesn't mean it is racism, although in some of the minority cases it might be. Pieter de Villiers was horrible, if he was white, he would have just been as horrible.

  • Phillip - 2011-11-02 14:39

    Jake White wants the job back give it to him!!! He has shown he can do it!!!

      Derek - 2011-11-03 07:15


      Phil - 2011-11-03 11:27

      Was it Jake or Eddie Jones?

  • jean.rossouwsa - 2011-11-02 15:22

    WP has Nothing to show, why then all the interest in the coaching staff?

  • abe1wp - 2011-11-03 06:11

    Sounds good enough. Gold for Province and Alister for the Boks. Bye bye Jake White

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