Naas weighs in on school rugby

2012-05-21 09:01

Johannesburg - Former Springbok flyhalf Naas Botha has called for harsher punishments against fighting during school rugby matches, Beeld reported on Monday.

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Players from John Vorster Technical High School and Waterkloof High School, both in Pretoria, got involved in a fistfight after a match at the weekend.

"A one to three-week ban won't teach these guys a lesson," said Botha, who is also a coach at Waterkloof High.

"Remove them from the game, because we (the rugby community) don't need this kind of thing. At some stage SARU (SA Rugby Union) should step in and take serious measures against players who behave like this," Botha told Beeld.

The two teams had just completed their league match, and had shaken hands on the field when the fight broke out.

A John Vorster player allegedly punched Waterkloof's fullback, from Grade 11, in the face, and other John Vorster boys then kicked him when he fell.

A Waterkloof team-mate rushed to help the boy, but was also punched and kicked, to the point where he lost consciousness for a while.

Deon Fichet, John Vorster's sports manager, said the incident would be investigated at the school on Monday.

Waterkloof won the second-team match 54-10.


  • bryan.torien - 2012-05-21 09:11

    Dave......For once I agree wiff Naas!

      Squeegee - 2012-05-21 09:21

      Ban the offending school for two years. Nothing will address the problem better than the whole school suffering the consequences of their first team's behavior.

      Geoff - 2012-05-21 09:44

      Test the whole team for steroids! This is a perfect example of what steroids do to anyone who uses them.

      Bryan - 2012-05-21 10:33

      Agreed Naas, your school loses 53-10 and you start punching the opposition? This kinda incident reflects the manner in which John Vorster disciplines their students. If a fight like this can break out on a rugby field, who knows what is going on inside the school walls?

      Koos - 2012-05-21 11:51

      John Vorster is bekend vir die tipe gedrag. Niks nuuts nie. Die probleem gaan eindlik verder as dit. As profesionele spelers mekaar rondstamp dan word dit afgemaak as handbag throwing. Die naweek/laas naweek was daar in die S15 ook so iets na die rustyd/eindfluitjie geblaas het maar dit word oor die hoof gesien. Wat sĂȘ dit vir die kinders?

  • Jason - 2012-05-21 09:13

    No breeding! No morals! The bottom line is these little thug wannabes do not have any respect for their schools or their teams! I can understand the odd punch up during a is after all a contact sport, but for this to happen after the final whistle is crazy! Bring back corporal punishment to schools and let discipline return!

      don9000 - 2012-05-21 09:18

      This is not something that corporal punishment will fix. Caning will not help shape the mind of the guilty parties, if anything it is too lenient. The fact that this took place after the whistle makes the punch tantamount to assault, I would press charges.

      Jason - 2012-05-21 09:23

      @Don but the fact remains that back in the day when a good whack was allowed and a random tanie in a shopping centre would give you a clip round the ear for being disrespectful, kids had a lot more respect for right and wrong. The had discipline! Kids today dont give a Sh$t! I could seriously go on for hours about this........but i do agree with you that its assault and charges should be laid!

      Herman - 2012-05-21 09:41

      I agree Jason, die laaities kort pakslae!

      bryan.torien - 2012-05-21 10:13

      I sort of have to agree with Jason here. For too long have we embarked on this counselling and psychology route. Look at the results? If it's not working it's time we changed the methods! I have to admit also, Corporal Punishment did seem to work!

      Japjapjap - 2012-05-21 10:15

      @Jason- stem saam- voeter hulle goed en gedurig!! maar moenie hulle lewens en toekoms vernietig deur 'n rekort agter hul naam te sit, net omdat hulle windgat en dom was toe hul jonger was??

      don9000 - 2012-05-21 10:41

      I am not against correctly administered corporal punishment; In fact I was on the receiving end of it on many an occasion. Its just that in this case it is beyond that point. What kind of person kicks someone when they have been knocked down; a cowardly thug!

      Saffa - 2012-05-21 10:41

      @Jason - The parents and coaches also need a sjambok thrashing first and foremost. If the parents and coaches behaved a little better, the kids might start behaving a little better. The sad and shameful fact is: Many parents and coaches encourage thuggery and many APPLAUD it. Until the so called 'adults' involved in schoolboy rugby get their act together, the kids will continue to behave like chavs. It's a bloody disgrace.

      Jason - 2012-05-21 12:27

      @SAFFA, firstly Howzit? hope you had a good weekend! I agree, parents need to be held to account! But ever since we brought in this nonsense of giving young kids choices and time outs instead of hidings things have gone crazy! Now i know things were not perfect.............I remember being hit in the head with a board duster and having a little claret on my diff!! Also had a bleeding ass on a couple of occasions when Hostel Masters went too far..............but we never cried to mommy! But if we brought it back in a more controlled environment! One or two teachers that have special counselling and training and witnessed by the head master or department head then we can start getting discipline back in our schools!

      Saffa - 2012-05-21 13:13

      Agree with you 100% @Jason (great weekend all we WP folk had I reckon - hahaha). Yeah, this absolute nonsense about letting kids 'express themselves' etc etc is utter BS. The Montessori generation I call them..... Childrens rights are only valid when their physical or mental well being is under threat - as for the rest, they have no rights at all IMHO - and they should realise at all times that they are bottom of the pile (as it was in our day....)

      Carl - 2012-05-21 13:47

      yes sir, a hiding at school did not hurt us...and we all new we deserved it when we got it! Bring it back, get some discipline back into the schools, sick of it.

      Inky - 2012-05-21 16:58

      @ Jason. Are proposing using violence to stop violence? Does not make sense to me.

  • Jean - 2012-05-21 09:30

    Skole moet begin reg kom en ernstig optree teenoor die bliksems, rugby kry die laaste paar weke baie slegte publisiteit in die media as n weldadige sport! Maak n voorbeeld van n paar laaities wat die sport se naam deur die modder sleep.

      Koos - 2012-05-21 11:54

      Die voorbeeld moet deurgetrek word na provinsiale en nasionale vlak.

  • Jacques - 2012-05-21 09:36

    Headline should read 'Naas weighs in on Institutionalised Hooliganism'

  • Francois - 2012-05-21 09:45

    mus agree here...kick the thuggery out!

  • Katoolsie - 2012-05-21 09:47

    that kid who got punched should sue the player who punched him as well as the school for a hefty sum of money! That will teach them

  • shawag.andy - 2012-05-21 09:56

    Cannot agree more, ban the schools and set an example! This is just unacceptable! And yes, strong possibility of steriod use, test them all!

  • Paul - 2012-05-21 10:14

    Ban them for life!!!

  • Pieter Mulder - 2012-05-21 10:31

    Just shows you, no ball focus in our rugby. I'd say the trainer should be kept liable. Then they wouldn't play thugs at any game.

  • Jody - 2012-05-21 11:07

    Naas is reg. Dit is nie die enigste geval nie, net verlede week het ek gehoor n o16 seun het n pa van die ander skool na die wedstryd geslaan maar tot sy verbasing gee die pa hom n loesing met die vuis. Dit is ook nie goed nie maar dit gebeur. Luister mooi hoe skere skole se kinders op die veld praat, ek kan vloek met die beste maar wat ek somtyds hoor is veregaande.

      Koos - 2012-05-21 11:58

      My seun speel liga sokker. As die ref jou hoor vloek kry jy 'n rooikaart en 'n automatiese skorsing van twee weke. Dit werk soos 'n droom.

      Saffa - 2012-05-21 13:15

      @Koos - that is the way it should be handled. Not sure why rugby is so 'dead against' ACTUALLY taking a significant stand against ALL anti-social behaviour sorrounding the game.

  • hugo.lategan - 2012-05-21 12:54

    Agreed! I watched a game between Marais Viljoen and St, Benedict's on Saturday where a boy was head-butted that resulted only in a penalty been given. We need far stricter control by referees!

  • Grant - 2012-05-21 14:04

    Naas is baas - agree 100% with this! Rugby is a physical game and we all enjoy the physicality - but brutality and foul play should not be tolerated in ANY form of the game.

  • gerrit.volschenk - 2012-05-21 14:05

    Off course Naas would say it's not his future hanging in the balance.There are ways in dealing with these "children".I do not support violence or these players but his call is ridiculous.Even murderers are offered a change at rehabilitation.

      Harry - 2012-05-21 17:31

      You're a Chophead

  • Rob - 2012-05-21 18:57

    We are talking history. In 68 when I played Rugby, there were also 'punch ups' after (and during) the game. Whilst not condoning this pactice there will always 'competition' especially at that level... Let the guys vent their 'frustration' in a harmless 'punch up' after the game - normally 'hand bag bashing'. It happened to me years ago and afterwards we were all 'best friends'.. You will never stop it.

  • Tony - 2012-05-27 05:35

    I like the view taken by Squeegee.

  • Darron - 2012-05-31 16:27

    Remember a fight in our game vs HTS John Vorster for HTS Ligbron a few years ago ... patterns ? we used to be to scared of the cane on Monday morning's or the coach to try stunts like this !

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