Memory loss for Hore's victim

2012-11-29 15:34

Cardiff - The Wales rugby player flattened by a swinging arm from New Zealand hooker Andrew Hore suffered three-day memory loss as a result of the incident.

Hore was handed a five-week ban for punching Bradley Davies from behind in the first minute of the All Blacks' 33-10 win over Wales on Saturday, putting the lock in hospital with severe concussion.

"I felt very groggy for a while afterwards," Davies said on Thursday. "My last memory before the game was last Wednesday and my mind has pretty much gone blank since then.

VIDEO: Hore attack on Davies

"I was in college doing a plumbing course and I cut my finger with a hacksaw. That was the last thing I can remember."

Hore has apologised for the punch and has been in daily contact with Davies.

"I want to say how bad I feel and how embarrassed I am to be in this situation," Hore said. "It is not the All Black way and I have let myself down and the team and probably the whole country is pretty proud of what we do."

Davies holds no grudges, however, despite many critics calling for a heavier sanction on Hore.

"It was a bit naughty, but he caught me a cracker and that is rugby," said Davies, who will miss Saturday's match against Australia while he recovers. "I don't think he tried to knock me out. It is just one of those things. I got in his way and he caught me flush on the jaw."


  • gary.w.reilly - 2012-11-29 15:44

    That is not rugby!!! That is barbaric behaviour and totally un-called for, especially in the first minute of a game.

      nastassjav - 2012-11-29 16:05

      So typical...All Black players getting away with murder.

      donavan.boshoff - 2012-11-29 16:08

      well its safe to say he hakked his last haka

      Flemstone - 2012-11-29 16:18

      He got a five week suspension. That's hardly getting away with it. Greyling could have done the same amount of damage. He got 2 weeks.

      hot.pants.12 - 2012-11-29 16:20

      Doesn’t sound like you girls played rugby in your lives...

      donavan.boshoff - 2012-11-29 16:35

      Too right hotpants with a name like that you would have fitted right in with the all blacks squad

      marnusmnorval - 2012-11-29 18:13

      i just love how emotional SA supporters can get. Stop bitching and moaning and just watch the game. nothing you say or do on this website will have any impact on another persons life

      simone.dechandra.7 - 2012-11-29 19:59

      defo a bit harsh on hore. still think he deserves a commendation. bringing the old school back

      chrisin.oz.1 - 2012-11-29 23:03

      Flemstone. Greyling missed two Rugby Championship matches (which I'm very gratefull for). Hore will miss an unimportant game against England and three pre-season friendlies. You want to talk about "the same"?

      chrisin.oz.1 - 2012-11-29 23:06

      Marnus, are you retarded? You managed in one sentence to contradict yourself. First you give everyone else instructions to stop bitching and moaning, and in the same sentence you say nothing anyone say will ever change another one's life. OK!!! Well we will then just continue to bitch and moan, if that's OK with you.

      Flemstone - 2012-11-29 23:20

      So what do you suggest should happen Chrisin? Should the suspension be influenced by upcoming games? Should players receive a shorter suspension in more important tournaments? What about club rugby then? You've clearly not put any thought into this.

      chrisin.oz.1 - 2012-11-29 23:40

      Incidents in club rugby gets punished by a ban in club games. Incidents in international games gets punished with international games, plus missing all or some provincial and club games in between those international games. Violence does not belong in rugby and while the IRB hands out soft suspensions like these violence will remain.

      chrisin.oz.1 - 2012-11-30 00:03

      Plus, these type of soft punishments will motivate dirty players to play dirty on end of season tours, because they will only get punished for a club game or two or at the worst some warm-up games the following season. No serious rugby will be missed.

      gungets.tuft - 2012-11-30 05:41

      Hore will miss 2 games. The suspension is for 5 games of all classes, so he has been "included on the team sheet" for 3 club games back home that he would never have played anyway.

      Flemstone - 2012-11-30 12:07

      Chrisin if you get 3 yellow cards in club rugby, you get a one week suspension. This happened to Elstadt earlier in the year, and recently to Chris Ashton. Ashton actually missed an international game because of this. 5 weeks is not a soft suspension. Greyling getting 2 weeks is soft.

      pierre.devilliers.9231 - 2012-12-01 07:03

      Why is there any references to Greyling. It was a clumsy dive over a scrum as a supposed “clean-out”. Ilegal and probably with some malice, but very far removed from this Andrea Hore incident. The mere fact te NZ supporters keep referring to Greyling is because they have nothing else against the Boks, other than a mock headbuut from Etzebeth with no contact. The Boks had a very clean European tour, and through the year the incidents of Greyling and Etzebeth were marginal. Even the notorious Bakkies Botha and Schalk Burger incidents the opponent could continue the game (although their bans were 9 and 8 weeks respectively). Common Flemstone, you are just showing your blatant disregard for fair play to the world. The Andrea Hore incident was amongst the worst in years and warrant more than 5 weeks ban. Along side the 1 week for Thompson (stamping on head), 2 weeks for Mealamu (2010) headbutt on England’s Moody, 1 week for Brad Thorne (2008) tip tackling Johan Smit after play stopped. Not even the mention the all time notorious incident of Umaga and Mealamu lifting and dropping O’Driscol on his neck, putting him out of rugby for 7 months – no suspension. There is a very long history of NZ getting away with dirty play

      Flemstone - 2012-12-01 09:35

      I support the Boks. And Greylings intent was clear for any unbiased person to see. He clearly aimed for McCaw. You still need to show me an example of where a similar incident got what you're demanding. Lets compare it to Andy Hazell. He got 14 weeks for punching and kneeing the guy on the ground. Hore's behaviour is not even close to Hazell's. Other players guilty of eye gouging have received much longer bans than Burger. Bakkies is a repeat offender and also deserved more. Bakkies put Adam Jones out of action for atleast 6 weeks. Yet he only got 2 weeks for that incident. Your bias is quite amusing.

  • chiepner - 2012-11-29 15:47

    5 weeks if he "hore" (pun intended) green and gold it would of been 3 to 8 months.

      Flemstone - 2012-11-29 16:19

      Please provide one example of where this has happened?

      Madoqua - 2012-11-29 16:42

      Bakkies Botha - 9 weeks for half missed headbutt.

      simone.dechandra.7 - 2012-11-29 17:39

      Worst pun I have ever seen ever

      andrew.ruck.750 - 2012-11-29 17:52

      Simone that's your only comment I have ever and will ever thumbs up..

      Jimmy NZ - 2012-11-29 18:01

      @madoqua, firstly, Bakkies was banned for 8 weeks, and secondly Etzebeth did the missed head-butt thing!

      Madoqua - 2012-11-29 20:08


      Flemstone - 2012-11-29 20:53

      Thanks Madoqua, you can clearly see that the Bakkies headbutt made some serious contact. I personally can't believe Bakkies got away with this.

      chrisin.oz.1 - 2012-11-29 23:22

      Phlegm, I agree Bakkies is a vuilgat and deserved his ban. But Dewald stood up and played on. Was he carried off the field? No. Did he suffer memory loss? No. And based on that I believe Hore should have been given a longer suspension than Bakkies did for that. Johan le Roux got 18 months for biting Sean CheatsPatrick's ear. I believe a 2 year suspension for Hore would have been fitting.

      simone.dechandra.7 - 2012-11-30 08:52

      World cup titles Bakkies - 1 Duvenhage - 0 Super titles Bakkies - 3 Duvenhage - 0

      Flemstone - 2012-11-30 12:11

      Chrisin 2 years based on what? Andy Hazell only got 14 weeks man. Players suffer memory loss quite often due to legal hits. Did Bakkies intend to have Duvvie carried off the field? Well it certainly looked like it. Did Hore intend for Davies to be so badly hurt? I don't think so. Did Davies try and drive a guys neck into the ground earlier in the year. Yes. And he got 7 weeks for it. So where are you getting this 2 years nonsense from?

      pierre.devilliers.9231 - 2012-12-01 07:29

      @ Flemstone - Common mate, you are clutching at straws. Lets agree the Bakkies incident was equally bad, that still leaves a 9 week ban against a 5 week ban. While Cowan continued play without incident, Davies had to be hospitalized for a week and sustained 3 days memory loss. In all the 5 week ban is ludicrously lenient (and that on top of the Thomson ruling of a 1 week ban for stamping on a players head just the week before).

      Flemstone - 2012-12-01 09:38

      OK Bakkies on Adam Jones put him out for atleast 6 weeks. Bakkies got 2 weeks for it. Bakkies on Cowan was far worse. As was Davies spear tackle which he got 7 weeks for. 5 weeks for Hore is exactly right based on these other incidents. Thomson ended up getting 2 weeks. You have to judge the intent. Something you clearly can't comprehend.

  • morne.vandyk.58 - 2012-11-29 15:51

    Vuilgat gemors

  • marcello.plaatjies.5 - 2012-11-29 16:23

    They should have banned this piece of all black thug for life..

      Flemstone - 2012-11-29 16:37

      By your standards you wouldn't have many players in SA.

      Caleb - 2012-11-29 21:35

      Haha Marcello, i love the hypocrisy!!! If he was playing in the green and gold you guys would be bitching about how the other guy ran obstruction lines and he deserved what he got, very much double standards. I remember Saffas defending Bakkies headbutt to the core, yes Cowan pulled at his jersey, but jersey pulling is has very little difference in running obstruction lines.

      manuel.p.quintino - 2012-11-30 08:01

      I'm sure there were a few defending Botha's headbutt. Probably bonehead Blue Bulls supporters. Anyway, Mealamu headbutted an English player two years ago and got off with something like a one week ban.

  • timothy.martin.9655 - 2012-11-29 16:28

    Should not be allowed to play the game again, F####### idiot. No brains, what if this guy had suffered a brocken neck or something.

      Flemstone - 2012-11-29 16:36

      Are you this passionate about dirty SA players?

      chrisin.oz.1 - 2012-11-29 23:24

      Phlegm, youtube king, please give us a video clip of a Springbok knocking an opposition player out cold with a swinging arm and a punch.

      chrisin.oz.1 - 2012-11-30 02:16

      Phlegm, you still digging around youtube to find something?

      Flemstone - 2012-11-30 12:17

      Are you going to send me £1000 if I show you one? Kobus Wiese here you go.

  • sunith.varkey - 2012-11-29 17:14

    Not only is he a hooker, but he is also a Hore.

      sunith.varkey - 2012-11-29 17:15

      Is he any good as a hooker? Of course he is, he is a Hore!

      simone.dechandra.7 - 2012-11-29 17:40

      And next up, SUV's chuck Norris jokes...

      chrisin.oz.1 - 2012-11-30 00:06

      SUV, you're about a week late with your jokes. Plus it was at best mildly ammusing back when Hore made his debut somewhere around the turn of the century. It's not funny anymore. Mind you, it never was really funny.

  • - 2012-11-29 17:44

    I would sue and open criminal proceedings wys hom waar Dawid die wortels moes geplant het...

  • Jimmy NZ - 2012-11-29 18:09

    If it would take all serious violence out of rugby and I mean from all teams (especially the many eye gouge incidents) by all means ban the bugger forever!!! The only problem is all the hypocrites running around pointing fingers, your team has had individuals do the same if not worse!

      tinus.viljoen.790 - 2012-11-29 19:32

      I would love to see a AB try that with bonecrusher or Etsebet, that cheapshotter will have to do potty training again from memory loss after one of these two moered him back

      Jimmy NZ - 2012-11-29 20:08

      You're kinda proving my point...

      Flemstone - 2012-11-29 20:49

      Makes me think about Bakkies trying to break Duvenhages neck. Let Bakkies try that on Etzebeth.

      tinus.viljoen.790 - 2012-11-29 21:03

      No, what I am saying is that your team is full of cheap shotters

      Jimmy NZ - 2012-11-29 21:17

      No tinus, our team is full of brilliant rugby players as is yours. There is always going to be one or two guys that skrew up and make everybody look bad. Stop being such a hypocrite, bitter, sore loser.

      Flemstone - 2012-11-29 22:02

      Provide a few examples Tinus. I'll name a few Boks for you if you like?

      chrisin.oz.1 - 2012-11-29 23:26

      Phlegm, Bakkies will never try to do that to Eben. He always targeted smaller guys like scrumhalves and wingers. He is afraid to get injured himself. And if he tried that on Eben, Bakkies would have been carried off the field.

      johannes.barnard.77 - 2012-11-30 10:11

      Jimmy be honest with your self with all the eye gouging accusations against the boks but strangely no one has eye damage or in hospital , the AB have been off the ball players for ever woodcock also loves his off the ball play , .... hopefully now ref"s will start realizing cameras is all around and they will have to be fair against all dirty play even if you are an AB player !!!!

      pierre.devilliers.9231 - 2012-12-01 07:39

      The difference Jimmy is that our players get banned for a considerable longer time. There is no hypocrisy on our side. The argument here is not that SA players are angles. (The Botha and Burger incidents show that.) The argument is the length of penalties and that NZ get penalized far more leniently for the same type of offence. This has happened over many years and many incidents (see earlier post for examples).

  • wayne.adriaanse - 2012-11-29 18:35

    some one start a web request to the IRB to ban him for 2 years

      Flemstone - 2012-11-29 22:04

      Please do. So that the rest of the world can laugh even harder. Johan le Roux, the South African prop, was sent home in disgrace from New Zealand and given an 18-month ban from all rugby after biting the All Black captain Sean Fitzpatrick's ear during South Africa's tour. His High Court appeal against the ban failed, and on his return to the game after his ban, he was sent off at the start of the second half, for a head butt. The former Transvaal prop later said: "For an 18-month suspension, I feel I probably should have torn it off. Then at least I could say, 'look, I've returned to South Africa with the guy's ear'."

      chrisin.oz.1 - 2012-11-29 23:28

      Phlegm, and you say biting Sean CheatsPatrick's ear is worse than what Hore did?

      Flemstone - 2012-11-30 12:19

      Absolutely yes. Why do you think he got such a heavy suspension?

  • Caleb - 2012-11-29 21:37

    That makes 5 articles on this now by Sports24, you love to try to demonise the AB's dont you Sports24!!?? I cant blame you with all the ignorant uneducated Saffas jumping on the bandwagon.

      chrisin.oz.1 - 2012-11-29 23:35

      Caleb, Your own newspaper, the New Zealand Herald made a list of top 10 infamous acts of rugby violence. Have a look here: Interesting to note that 5 New Zealanders made the top 10 and only 1 "saffa". So I think you should get off your uneducated high-horse before you fall off it and suffer from memory loss.

      Caleb - 2012-11-30 01:36

      Only three of those are international matches. You trying to tell me that there no incidents in the histroy of SA provincial rugby that wouldnt make that list??!! Dreamin. Try looking at this websites compilation of notorious acts in rugby, you will find that most of them are SA, that because they have access to local rugby footage, the same applies to NZ herald, they dont have access to SA provincial footage. Poor argument.

      chrisin.oz.1 - 2012-11-30 02:20

      Still three times more than the "saffas" if you only want to look at internationals. So your point is even poorer. Your own press "demonise" the All Blacks for dirty play.

  • chrisin.oz.1 - 2012-11-29 23:01

    And for this Hore got rewarded with a holiday while his team mates play pre-season friendlies.

      Flemstone - 2012-11-29 23:22

      I'm really struggling to understand your logic. This has potentially ruined his international career. He'd already had problems with his previous club. And it was a big call allowing him back in the NZ team. I think its over for him. Hore has made a fantastic contribution to club and country. Pity its going to end like this. He's being punished not rewarded.

      chrisin.oz.1 - 2012-11-29 23:38

      Phlegm, a more fitting 2 year ban would have been punishment. Missing three warm-up games is reward handed to him by the IRB. Ending his international career himself and problems with his club is his own problem. Punishment he has inflicted on himself.

      Flemstone - 2012-11-30 12:20

      What should Greyling have got then? How do you arrive at a 2 year ban?

  • chrisin.oz.1 - 2012-11-30 00:20

    In 2005 Hore was convicted for shooting a protected fur seal in New Zealand. The judge described it as a "grossly irresponsible, spontaneous act of hooliganism". Not much has changed. This guy is bad news. And what did New Zealand do? They rewarded him with the Player of the Year award. Pretty much like Bryce Lawrence got his ref of the year award after his infamous world cup performance.

      Caleb - 2012-11-30 01:46

      Incorrect facts as per usual, he was player of the year in 2008. Aaaah still on about BL, no ref is ever good enough when the Saffas are playing. Even your own Craig Joubert, rated the number one ref in the world at the time of the RWC final, but still not good enough for Saffas, because the result didnt go your way, you guys are hilarious.

      chrisin.oz.1 - 2012-11-30 02:23

      Did I ever mention which year he was made player of the year? Plus the Bryce Lawrence bit was more a footnote to the point I'm actually making. Or did you miss that point as usual?

      Caleb - 2012-11-30 03:02

      You're grasping at straws, you didnt mention which year he won the award, but you conveniently left it out, as per usual convenience in omitting the details is par for the course. What does the actions of a player in 2005 have to do with him winning the rugby award in 2008 have to do with anything. 2008 is a seperate season and actions are judged on that particular season, thats why it is every year.

      chrisin.oz.1 - 2012-11-30 03:09

      OK, I see you are struggling. I'll make it simple and give you the bottom line, OK, ready? Here it comes: "grossly irresponsible, spontaneous act of hooliganism". Not much has changed. This guy is bad news. Do. You. Under-stand. My. Point. Now?

      Caleb - 2012-11-30 04:15

      I got the point straight away, but clearly you dont like people correcting you on your flippant, baseless remarks. Dont make a remark in a statement like 'This guy is bad news. And what did New Zealand do? They rewarded him with the Player of the Year award' and expect me to brush it aside without correcting you, because it is a stupid comment that does not make sense, hence my replies. I dont expect you to understand this, too many syllables in the words.

      chrisin.oz.1 - 2012-11-30 06:32

      The guy is bad news. He got convicted for killing fur seals. He got an IRB suspension for attacking a player in a game of rugby. What is there to correct? He got made player of the year. What is there to correct? Looks like you would like the rest of the world to just agree with you and "respect" everything that you and your players do. Just like the haka. Because it is the All Blacks that do the haka no-one is allowed to suggest banning it. It is time this unhealthy "respect" for all things All Black ends. I wish for the day the IRB lifts it's ban on advancing during the haka. I can just see Eben advancing like Kobus Wiese did in 1995 and stare down at one of the All Blacks during the haka untill the AB soils his shorts and forgets all the words to the haka.

      chrisin.oz.1 - 2012-11-30 07:01

      And if you want a small insight into what the rest of the world think about the arrogance of the All Blacks around the haka, go read this article:

  • Warren Meyers - 2012-11-30 04:53

    @Caleb get off ur high horse please nigger anywho this is a rugby article so pls lets stop bitching and moaning the guy was wrong and its a fact refs sometimes dont consider themselves good enough to make a huge call against the all blacks

      will.hodge.524 - 2012-11-30 04:58

      Craig Joubert comes to mind

      chrisin.oz.1 - 2012-11-30 06:35

      They "respect" the All Blacks too much. While Richie and his fellow All Cheats have absolutely no respect for any ref or rugby law for that matter.

      caleb.drumm.1 - 2012-11-30 08:50

      Never once defended Hores actions in both incidents, i just find it amusing when people claim the AB's arent deserved champions because of the unacceptable actions of a few, or that they actually do anymore offside play or obstruction than any of the top five teams in the world, how on earth have they gone for so long and played under so many refs to have such a great record, how is this so if they cheat so much, are offside so often? How is this so? How have they gone 22 unbeaten this season, how have they won 3 quarters of the tri nations? How have they not lost a NH game in ten years? And please dont coome back with IRB conspiracy theories. Re- refs not confident.. Ok fair call, but how is this the AB's fault? Playing to the ref is one of the first things you learn in rugby.. also, there have many many occasions where the AB's have a higher penalty count than the opposition, how is this so if the refs arent making calls against AB?

      caleb.drumm.1 - 2012-12-01 06:55

      I didnt think anyone could answer my questions. When there are pertinent questions on here, the haters clam right up, or just insult you.

  • dailenm1 - 2012-11-30 06:30

    Lmfao! He moer'd him into last week!

  • roger.plaatjies.79 - 2012-11-30 10:00

    A rugby player in the Boland died during a rugby game, a court case was opend, it was manslaughter. The responsable player was banned for life. So, my question is; do u have to kill somebody before you got banned for life? Please make an example of Whore the NZealand hooker and ban him for 2 years, bcause its the only way you will learn, but 5 weaks is a joke. The IRB start to show the world that they favour NZealand.

  • Kevin - 2012-11-30 13:02

    Just cast you minds back to when All Black Hooker, Andy Dalton, did exactly the same to Theuns Stofberg. AND GAVE HIM THE P...KLAP of his career - also from behind Also, Shaun Fitzpatrick was certainly no angel either. Must be the way Kiwis breed Hookers. all muscle, no brain, no regrets and approach from the rear. - just like any other hooker would.

      Bazzpete - 2012-11-30 14:24

      what about Burger Geldenhuis doing the same thing to Dalton (I think it was Dalton) - does your logic apply to a hero of Loftus? There are thugs in every team - get over it - move on - enjoy the good side of rugby.

  • glen.keesing - 2012-11-30 21:34

    Should not wear an All Black jersey again...period!! I'm a Big AB fan but have not interest in dirty play . Hes dishonored the Jersey, team and supporters, who needs him anyway when we have the total professional in Mealamu '. Sorry for Wales , Although they were never going to beat the AB's , they were hard done by. Totally soured , what would have been another excellent win. At least the defeat didn''t cost you any World cup ranking points'. So you are still in with a chance if you can knock over Aussie tomorrow. Good Luck!

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