Lions: No merit to S15 decision

2012-08-16 19:03

Cape Town - Lions president Kevin de Klerk feels the Southern Kings' promotion to Super Rugby is not a decision based on "rugby merits".

SARU on Thursday announced that the Kings would play in the 2013 Super Rugby competition, with the Lions dropping out for at least one year. The bottom team in 2013's competition will then play in a two-legged promotion and relegation series against the Lions.

De Klerk feels it's unfair that a team can be promoted to a competition without having to play itself in on merit.

“We are extremely disappointed at this result," he said in a statement on the Lions' website.

"This is a very unfortunate decision which will result in a team taking part in a competition without needing to qualify on rugby merits. We will take time to consider this decision and then to plan our response that best protects our players, staff, stakeholders and supporters."

However, despite their free ticket into the Southern Hemisphere's premier domestic competition, the Kings aren't fully satisfied. Their president, Cheeky Watson, is unhappy that SARU only guaranteed his team one season of Super Rugby.

“I think it is a ludicrous decision," he told SAPA.

"It doesn't make sense in rugby, not in business, not in the church.

"It doesn't make sense in any sector of society that you are sitting with a scenario that you are in Super Rugby for one year and expected to achieve."

Watson later confirmed that they will appeal SARU's decision.


  • frank.williams.100 - 2012-08-16 19:12

    Then why not have a play-off before the 2013 season starts? That's just the fair thing to do!

      foodfor.thought.73 - 2012-08-16 19:21

      I say let them play it out now. Let whoever wins between them move on. If the Lions loose, I will gladly accept and support the 'k'ings in the Super series, but until then it is a huge disgrace for South African rugby...

      nick.mullet.35 - 2012-08-16 20:15

      All bulls supporters should attend their games and boo their players every time they touch the ball. And throw naartjies. And run on the pitch and tackle their wing naked

      christo.t.ferreira - 2012-08-16 21:03

      Nick please shut the f up you moron

      christo.t.ferreira - 2012-08-16 21:09

      Nick makes Malema look like a genius

      blou.johnny - 2012-08-16 21:28

      ..... Southern Kings..? ...Bhoooooooooooo...!!

      thomas.cannon.712 - 2012-08-16 22:39

      Cheeky you Moron!! If you can't see that it was a LUDICROUS decision to even think of putting you guys in Super rugby to start with, then you stay a MORON!!! What is next?? WE DEMAAAAND that SANZA instruct the teams to let us win at least 40% of our games!!!!!! It was only that SARU knows that if they had demanded a play off with the Lions, the Lions would have won hands down is why they scrapped that idea!!!!! Be gratefull you got something you should never have gotten, you ungratefull tw&*%t!!!!!!!!!!!

      nzbro.allblack - 2012-08-16 22:48

      LOL....I'm. sure carolos spencer and john mitchell will not be feeling so bad anymore for being fired after this decision.There is NO job for them to go back to On behalf of spencer & mitchell...We Thank you SARU. best decision you have made so far.

      Owentjie - 2012-08-17 02:48

      I mean there are two sides to every story, but for many years the smaller provinces have had the short end of the stick. None of the current super rugby franchises had to play there way into the super rugby compo? Even when the cheetahs joined, it was based on the next big franchise. PE has a new big stadium, there are some great rugby playing schools in the area.So the pros are maybe some of the better local players stay in the area, and over tme the team becomes better. I have to say, not a fan of the watson clan, but Im happy EP gets a shot. The lions and all their history, need to come up with a better structure.

      frank.williams.100 - 2012-08-17 04:53

      @Owentjie, talk rugby please. The Kings do not deserve to be given a free pass. The Cheathas had played currie cup for years. Can you say the same about the Kings? They lost 80-0 to the Lions a while ago if I'm not mistaken. If Watson really thought they had what it took then he would have welcomed a play-off game don't you think? Next thing you know the Kings will get automatic promotion to the currie cup, for free, mahala, verniet. Its a Joke really.

      mark.barker.370 - 2012-08-17 05:03

      @ Gavin -Really!!! the lions have won a handful of games out of about 50. They are a joke and add zero value to the S15. Strange that this clown(De Klerk) is playing the merit card now!!

      Andre - 2012-08-17 06:48

      The Lions won the Currie Cup last year. Will the Southern Kings come close to that? If the SK use majority players from the other provinces it will totally defeat the object!

      suidlander.vanwyk - 2012-08-17 07:58

      SARU please dissolve Lions please, or merge them with the other coke and brandy brigade

      stirrer.stirrer - 2012-08-17 09:58

      @nick.mullet: Yeah, just think of it - when the Bulls play the Kings it will be advertised as the "Southern Kings vs the Northern Queens" :-)

      goyougoodthing - 2012-08-17 12:16

      Disgusted with the WP and FS for voting how they did.

      JHLR73 - 2012-08-17 13:30

      Ellispark as host stadium for the Lions, was dying a slow death in any case. The stadium was permanentaly empty, safety aspects around the stadium and how to get there were holding the Lions supporters back. This had a direct impact in their performances in the last few years for money also became a problem.The Lions rugby union should have decided long ago to move their head quartres to other more safer parts of the greater JHB, hence the team would have attracted more spectators and performed better.

      denese.newby - 2012-08-17 13:35

      WELL SAID frank.williams.100. That is the ONLY thing that makes sense!

      Owentjie - 2012-08-17 14:34

      @frank.williams.100, talk rugby? I thought I was? Ok? EP is not in a position to compete with any of the big five at this point. they probably wont be for a while, as always, the smaller unions get raped when it comes to talent exodus. This move might give some guys the incentive to stay in the area. After next year theyt will most likely be dropped again. But the seed has been planted, good players might stay in the area. Bottom line is the Lions are the laughing stock of South African rugby in super rugby (I am a Lions supporter, not sure why?) but they have to do something to fix that. (snot klap) . So tell me, whats the difference if its the Lions at the bottom of the log or if its the Kings? Answer just that one question for me.

      SeanV1982 - 2012-08-17 15:56

      I agree. If Watson is so keen to have his "team" in the super rugby series on a permanant basis, then why not have them play off now. If the Kings were so good, why aren't they playing in the Premier Division of Currie Cup with the Sharks, Bulls, WP, Lions and Cheetahs?

      luke.sportify - 2012-08-18 08:09

      Great idea Frank, the Southern KIngs have not even put a team together and you want them to play. With brains like that you should be on the Lions Board

  • gordon.freedman.35 - 2012-08-16 19:39

    Political intereference again would like to see this happen in the states or europe the teams will tell to go and get stuffed and stick to politics and not sport. As for the lions performing poorly in the last five years at least they are there on merit as a competing and competent currie cup team the kings are'nt even at that level yet they now get the crack at the big time, leap frogging everybody.

      nick.mullet.35 - 2012-08-16 20:16

      That's a horrible comment in the church

      blou.johnny - 2012-08-16 20:53

      ...another political AA and BEE decision...! ...merit out the window...!! ....bhoooooo....!!

      blou.johnny - 2012-08-16 20:54

      ...another political AA and BEE decision...! ...merit out the window...!! ....bhoooooo....!!

      shaun.mcdonald.7311 - 2012-08-16 21:51

      hi gordon I agree completly. I kings an be allowed to play in the super 15 what about griques.boland pumas etc dont they also deserve to play in the super15. y dont we hear nz telling the blues they not playing because they ended last and the forces or rebels aswell. thanks up the lions. Shaun

      luthorj - 2012-08-17 08:48

      wait wait... @blou.johnny: you mean to say that its ...another political AA and BEE decision...! ...merit out the window...!! ....bhoooooo....!! ???????????

  • mercia.lamprecht.73 - 2012-08-16 19:48

    Feel sorry for the Southern Kings. They will come up short every game. How sad. Its boys against men. Watson is in for a rude awakening. They wont get any simpathy from us.

      renaldogouws - 2012-08-16 21:21

      and the lions did better? Please FFS just wake up.

      blou.johnny - 2012-08-16 22:07

      ...yip, ....Southern Losers...! ...Bhoooooo...!!

      sean.brady.14224 - 2012-08-16 22:52

      The Lions won two matches! One of which was against a finalist! Let's see the Kings at least match that.

      mark.barker.370 - 2012-08-17 05:06

      @ Sean - wow 2 games , you really set your sights high.

      sean.brady.14224 - 2012-08-17 07:35

      Mark let's talk this time next year!

      luke.sportify - 2012-08-18 08:11

      Time will tell, ££££ and Sport go hand in hand

  • garth.bellingan.1 - 2012-08-16 19:53

    Bunch of Eggrolls with no credentials, even in the lower echelons of the Vodacom Cup, how the fck did this happen. C'mon SARU spill the beans, once again Politics wins, hope you get smacked by 50 points in every match, i will cheer for the team playing against you.

  • patricia.dewet.92 - 2012-08-16 19:57

    I am so sick of the Watson family. I which they will get a job and leave rugby. They must be married to a lot of weaklings, becauce their wives should have told them at this stage to stop it.

      nick.mullet.35 - 2012-08-16 20:17

      In the church that would not be acceptable to say. How high can they jump?

      christo.t.ferreira - 2012-08-16 21:04

      Nick f off please brain dead moron

      blou.johnny - 2012-08-16 22:36

      ...The Watsons and the ANC... ...we are one...!! ......simunye...! .......He he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he ...!!

      mark.barker.370 - 2012-08-17 05:06

      another idiot speaks. Glad i am not married to you.

      suidlander.vanwyk - 2012-08-17 08:01

      Actually Watsons do have jobs unlike you, who is trolling here as keyboard hero, you must go back to kitchen thats if you can cook,

  • sarel.korf - 2012-08-16 19:57

    I refuse to support the Kings. They make me want to PUKE. The Lions should look to participate in the Heineken cup. I hope that the Queens suffer the worst defeats week after week in the competition. THEY DON'T DESERVE THIS AT ALL. No Currie Cup no Super Rugby. What happened to a fair system? Watson for once is right about one thing - It does not make sense!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      nick.mullet.35 - 2012-08-16 21:04

      Say that in the church china

      suidlander.vanwyk - 2012-08-17 08:03

      Good recommendation there Sarah oh sorry Saartjie, Lions must go play in Nigeria Cup, Kenya Cup or any other cup, we won't miss them, I feel puking at their jerseys, they have been so useless just like you

      sarel.korf - 2012-08-17 08:19

      @buitelander sorry suidlander. Is that not where the queens have been playing because they have not featured in SA rugby for how long now....... Gonna love seeing them go down game after game after game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      louis.potgieter.9 - 2012-08-17 09:42

      hoe het die sharks van die sport pienaar gevorder tot nou ons gaan ook spelers koop soos die blou bulle en sharks ons het van die beste skole ruby

      luke.sportify - 2012-08-18 08:12

      and the Lions derserve to be there, where you been the past few years?

  • LouisPVenter - 2012-08-16 20:17

    It was a political decision . Cheeky Watson used his political contacts to get in. No one with more than 2 brain cells would have allowed a team that could hardly win curry cup teams into a S15 competition without a relegation game. Pathetic to say the least! Just again show that SARU do not know what they are doing.

      blou.johnny - 2012-08-16 21:04

      ....yip, ..just another stupid political decision...! .... I will NOT support the Kings..! ....Bhooooooooooo..!!

      nick.mullet.35 - 2012-08-16 21:04

      My contacts are acuvue. How do I get political contacts?

      selma.botha.9 - 2012-08-17 10:30

      or was it videos.

  • Petzer.Franc - 2012-08-16 20:21

    It is not based on rugby merit. Its based on political bias. Cheeky Puke Watson the next minister of tourism . .much. . . . . .

      suidlander.vanwyk - 2012-08-17 08:04

      Peter IDIOT franc, the next minister of Idiots, Imbeciles and Hopeless

      Petzer.Franc - 2012-08-17 08:37

      I dont plan on becoming anything of YOURS

      luke.sportify - 2012-08-18 08:13

      It's called giving the EC Super Rugby, second biggest number of clubs after the WC. Top rugby school. No link to Super Rugby. It just makes so much sense

  • iza.loubser.9 - 2012-08-16 20:21

    I have no problem with the relegation system. I have a problem with how this was handled. It was not thought-through before decisions were made public. All in all, in my opinion the griquas should have been given first choice as they are 'above' the Kings in pecking order. If they were happy to be 'one' with the Cheetahs for SR, then Kings needs the slot. However, SARU handled this like their asses! Surely if the relegation system was announced at the beginning of the year, this would not have been as issue. But instead they made promises without being able to make good on it, and they are covering it up by trying to please the Kings now with one year (although I think it"s fair have they proposed this before the season) -to try and hide their incompetence. I hope the Kings and Lions sue the living daylights out of them. Bad bad SARU administration. Admin 1 - Rugby 0

  • christo.present - 2012-08-16 20:23

    De Klerk you have known a long time ago that the Kings would be promoted to Super Rugby and at that time you had no complains. Everything showed that the Lions would have been promoted. Why are you now crying !!!!!! Give the Kings their rightful chance to experience Superrugby and show what they can do.

      Phil.Kleynhans - 2012-08-16 20:50

      Christo just think what is going to happen to them. They are going to get hurt very badly

      nick.mullet.35 - 2012-08-16 21:03

      Not if they hit the gym hard and then the rucks.

      hugo.naude - 2012-08-16 21:51

      Nick Mullet ... even if thy hit the gym and then the rucks it would not help them ... since they will have no wings ... they got tackled naked. Supporters should just stay away from matches when the southern pukings come to town ... hit ol saru in the pocket!!

      frank.williams.100 - 2012-08-17 04:58

      'Their rightful chance'? Wouldn't a play-off game be just that? Or is a free, hamd-me-down how they want to enter into a comp where pk's left and right await them?

      mark.barker.370 - 2012-08-17 05:09

      @Phil , pretty much like the Lions have since playing super rugby

      nick.mullet.35 - 2012-08-17 07:14

      Frank williams...*hand-out

  • patricia.dewet.92 - 2012-08-16 20:36

    At 90 he will still keep on, like all ANC's net treated fairly. I am glad he is not my father, I would have been so ashamed of him. As a wife I would pretend not to know him.

      nick.mullet.35 - 2012-08-16 21:03

      Most wives pretend not to know their husband anyway

      stirrer.stirrer - 2012-08-17 10:03

      Wrong, Nick. Just yours.

  • phillip.marchant.52 - 2012-08-16 20:43

    No more than it makes sense in any sector of society that you are sitting with a scenario that you are in Super Rugby for one year without having achieved anything, my dear Watson...

  • paul.moal.7 - 2012-08-16 20:44

    its just one season really, it will fly by. if the kings are worth their salt, they will survive, if hoo. as for the lions, its easy to talk about merit but really after their performances, i dont think they qualify either. it might be the wakeup they need. season after season of mediocrity with hardly any signs of improvement, its a slap in the face of ticket buyers. Spend more time on the practice field than in courts and boardroom battles instead. and for those who are hoping the kings get embarrassed, how pathetic of you. If you cant stand behind your own countrymen, how do expect them to stand for you; that just gives the advantage to the opposition.

      blou.johnny - 2012-08-16 21:16

      ...I hope the Kings lose all their Super games...!! ....Bhooooooooooooooooo.!!

      wanderering.wanderer - 2012-08-18 06:04

      Moron the Lions are currently Currie Cup champions, answer this what has the Kings done to improve themselves with al the financial help from SARU in the last 7 years? It is easier to demand a place in the Super comp than to earn it. Your logic makes it good to kill off one union to build another, its like saying I want to cut off my left hand because I want to write with my right hand.

  • Phil.Kleynhans - 2012-08-16 20:47

    SARU is falling out of a Boeing. They are a disgrace to SA Rugby But what do you expect from a bunch of clown Where in the world do you get a decision like that."O sorry I forgot we are in ANC SA"

      nick.mullet.35 - 2012-08-16 21:02

      Cool haiku bra

      ChrisinOz294 - 2012-08-17 02:17

      @Phil.kleynhans. I wouldn't blame SARU. They managed to keep the Kings out of Super rugby for quite a while. But in the end they also had to give in to the political agenda of Chucky and the ANC who's only objective is to drag down SA's proud rugby tradition with them.

  • kagen101 - 2012-08-16 20:48

    The top 5 teams in the premier devission of the Currie cup should play Super Rugby. Let them play Currie cup and when they finish in the top 5 let the through!!! Why must our systems be 'special'???

  • brettcch - 2012-08-16 20:57

    Dear Lions management Where have you been in the last 17 years? When can you recall the last time any decision was taken by any South African authority based on merit? PS - what are your birthday and jumping castle hire rates at Ellis Park for 2013? Do you do party packs?

      nick.mullet.35 - 2012-08-16 21:02

      How high can they jump?

      christo.t.ferreira - 2012-08-16 21:07

      Nick passed STD 2 after 18 try's

      nick.mullet.35 - 2012-08-16 21:14

      *tries Looks like someone didn't even pass at all

      stirrer.stirrer - 2012-08-17 10:06

      He meant "try's". When you couldn't pass Std 2 after six years, they passed you on sports merit after scoring 18 try's for the Danville Special School's 7th team.

      nick.mullet.35 - 2012-08-17 18:56

      That's still tries idiot

      wanderering.wanderer - 2012-08-18 06:05

      Moron the Lions are currently Currie Cup champions, answer this what has the Kings done to improve themselves with al the financial help from SARU in the last 7 years? It is easier to demand a place in the Super comp than to earn it. Your logic makes it good to kill off one union to build another, its like saying I want to cut off my left hand because I want to write with my right hand.

  • morne.s.smit.5 - 2012-08-16 21:05

    Very correct the Lions have no history in S15 or in Superrugby in this format! Although they are the inaugural winners of the Superrugby trophy Super10 1994 if anyone forgot. So any Bulls and Sharks fans remember they were the first to win it! But since taking part post CATS they have been wooden spoon specialists. They have had at least 4 years knowledge that if they don't finish at least 4th they would be out. So no merit required!

      wdvilliers - 2012-08-16 21:12

      But what/who/when/where/why the Kings...we know what the Lions are...

      morne.s.smit.5 - 2012-08-16 21:17

      And Cheeky you have a guaranteed lifetime in Superrugby! All you have to do is finish 4th in SA conference. No need to achieve ever! You wanted in, you are in just don't finish last!

      morne.s.smit.5 - 2012-08-16 22:20

      EP is a Test union. This was taken away from them over years. They have a history same as Lions. Don't get me wrong I am not a supporter of the Cheeky one and his antics. But I understand that as a union they have worked hard to get that status back. They have obviously gathered a substantial amount of money from business in last few years to make it work. I don't know if Griquas are interested. Boland are under Stormers banner. But it is clear that the Lions and all the other Franchises have been told over at least the last 4 years if you fail to finish in the top 4 of South African teams you will not compete should they not gain the right to have 6 teams in Superrugby. Stop seeing this as Politics! Fact SA rugby and EP have been wanting Kings to be part of Superrugby for a long time now. The Unions who believed they would stay in the league should SANZAR reject 6 teams were plain ignorant. Other part of this whole mess is that we are the financial backbone of SANZAR. We should actually just pull out of Superrugby and Rugby championship and focus on SA rugby with our money. Instead we making Ozzie rugby benefit as they have no equivalent of Curriecup. We bend and say yes sir 3 bags full sir to both NZ and Oz.....why?

      frank.williams.100 - 2012-08-17 05:02


      wanderering.wanderer - 2012-08-18 06:05

      Moron the Lions are currently Currie Cup champions, answer this what has the Kings done to improve themselves with al the financial help from SARU in the last 7 years? It is easier to demand a place in the Super comp than to earn it. Your logic makes it good to kill off one union to build another, its like saying I want to cut off my left hand because I want to write with my right hand.

  • keithronald.wildschut - 2012-08-16 21:13

    Oom Kevin feit van die saak jou span het nie perform nie en daarom is hulle demote. Leef saam met dit en hoop julle wen volgende jaar die Kings om terug te move in die S15. Vir die vaste vyf net die volgende; ons weet julle wil die monopolie op die room van Suid-Afrikaanse spelers het daarom het julle nie vir die voorstel gestem nie.Daar is sowat 15 top spelers van die Ooskaap tussen julle.Sies vi julle.

      bernard.ingram - 2012-08-17 04:28

      Where did the Kings end in the Currie Cup? See, they too don't deserve to be there.

      mark.barker.370 - 2012-08-17 05:14

      @ Azurite - the Currie Cup is an irrelevant competition. Proof of this is that the Lions have won it and finished last in S15.

      sean.brady.14224 - 2012-08-17 07:39

      @ Mark. If the Currie Cup is irrelevant what does that make the lower section of that same competition? The section the Kings couldn't win last year!

  • nkambazyofaninikuphelidakwa.chiliza - 2012-08-16 21:14

    no need for that

  • paul.nel.376 - 2012-08-16 21:16

    All sponsors of Super Rugby please stop this circus with immediate effect. Don't let fools determine our sport. Don't through the Lions for the wolves and the corrupt ANC. Disband SARU and start supporting SA's prime sport.

      blou.johnny - 2012-08-16 21:45

      ....politics and politicians are ruining this country.. ....the Southern Kings are a political joke...!

  • coenraad.vaneeden.5 - 2012-08-16 21:26

    I am not a lion supporter but can see that the wrong decision have been made that team with no back ground / history can not win any games /g/ senseless /let them play the lions ASAP the score will be 200 lions 00000 that team /take them to court

  • clive.fuhri - 2012-08-16 21:43

    SARU decision is dumb. A play off should decide. Southern Kings couldn't win the Currie Cup. That should be where they should be playing.

      blou.johnny - 2012-08-16 22:14

      ...Southern Losers..... :-)) ...every Super game...

      blou.johnny - 2012-08-16 22:15

      ...Southern Losers..... :-)) ...every Super game...

  • callie.vandermerwe.5 - 2012-08-16 21:46

    WoooHoooo!!!!! Yyaaaaaa!!! Super rugby winners here we come!! Yeah BABY. New kids on the block! We gonna K.I.C.K butt & take names. THAT'S RIGHT we gonna win it first time out...... YEAH......

      blou.johnny - 2012-08-16 21:51

      ....Southern Losers..? ....ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha a ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ..!!

      deon.fouche.3 - 2012-08-16 22:32

      Hel Callie, wat rook jy? Moenie wakker word nie en lekker droom verder

      ChrisinOz294 - 2012-08-17 02:19

      @callie. So you are also going to DEMAND that the trophy be given to you without earning it??

      brionyl.french - 2012-08-17 05:47

      are you like retarded?

      callie.vandermerwe.5 - 2012-08-17 06:18

      They MUST give us a handicap as well. Say about 10 to 15 points a game. That way it will all be fair. We need to stand up and be counted as far as the previously disadvantaged clubs/provinces are concerned! EP has always supplied ALL the other provinces with their best players!! It's time for them to stay home and play for us..............

      ChrisinOz294 - 2012-08-17 06:52

      @callie. I pretty sure you are sarcastic. But just in case you're crazy and not sarcastic: do you honestly think 15 points handicap is going to be enough. Or did you mean to say, 15 points before the game and then 15 points per half? Your second point: seeing that the Boks are supposedly chosen from the best players of all the unions, then according to you, ALL the Springbok players are from the Eastern Cape, right? I only count 2, Lwazi Mvovo and Keegan Daniel that hails from the Eastern Cape.

      louis.bensch.31 - 2012-08-17 10:52

      @Callie....give that man a bells, sorry balls, sommer puke s'n want jy hang aan dit jou moroon

  • bennie.vaneyk - 2012-08-16 22:17

    what about the fact that we crushed the cheetahs and they can still be in super 15? we'll beat the sharks this week as well

      blou.johnny - 2012-08-16 22:21

      ...keep on dreaming... .....Sweet dreams... ....He he he he..!!

      sean.brady.14224 - 2012-08-16 22:59

      Bennie, I'm worried about the effect of this decision on the Lion's Currie Cup squad. I hope the guys think f$%# this and play like men possessed for the rest of the competition! At least SARU didn't promise the Kings premier status next year. Griqwas will give them a good hiding in the promotion / relegation game...

      jjskosana - 2012-08-16 23:14


      ChrisinOz294 - 2012-08-17 02:25

      @bennie. It will be quite a shock to you then when you find out that Vodacom Cup rugby is not exactly the same as Super 15......

      louis.potgieter.9 - 2012-08-17 09:57

      te laat ou maat

      louis.bensch.31 - 2012-08-17 10:55

      @Bennie, hoop more is positief vir die Leeus, enige iets kan nou gebeur. Hoop regtig die manne speel nou nog beter Rugby en wys SARU n lekker cheeky put

  • micheal.vandenberg.7 - 2012-08-16 23:48

    I would like puke on Cheeky and his sissy boy of a son!

  • bernard.ingram - 2012-08-17 04:21

    That's what they call BEE and reverse apartheid in SA. Undeserving folk get promoted and slapped on the back for not being good enough. Useless.

  • jeflannigan - 2012-08-17 04:42

    Affirmative Action is alive and well in SA sport!!! You don't need to play well to get anywhere in SA sport as long as its goverended by the ANC.

  • brionyl.french - 2012-08-17 05:41

    this is a joke... we now have a team that cant even win the currie cup playing in the super league, talk about EGG on our FACES!!! thanks SA RUGBY for making it easier for us to look stupid!!!

  • 1PeterG - 2012-08-17 06:07

    Should have had a play off before the curry cup started so that all could be satisfied!!

  • hettie.potgieter - 2012-08-17 06:16

    What a joke...this is when politics should stick their noses to where there is need and not fool around in sport. Just another BEE crap decision! I'm so banning super rugby for next year! :-(

  • rezo.mosepele - 2012-08-17 06:51

    Frankly speaking I don't think SARU can axe the Lions just like that from super rugby.

  • hermann.hanekom - 2012-08-17 06:57

    I will advise that the Lions ignore this S15 spat and rather concentrate on the Curry Cup and let SARU make a fool of themselves on their own.

  • jean.rossouwsa - 2012-08-17 07:28


  • brendon.ribeiro.338 - 2012-08-17 07:55

    SARU what the hell are you thinking this is a complete and utter joke can you imagine the KINGS goings to play the chiefs or crusaders in NZ wahahahahahahahahahahha I predict a hundred nil any body wana bet against me.thie kings are going to be the laughing stock of the rugby world and an embarrassment to SA.its going to be so much fun watching the kings getting a hiding every week.

      louis.potgieter.9 - 2012-08-17 09:59

      get a life

  • dssteyn - 2012-08-17 08:12

    Bring in the Kings, bring in Border bulldogs, bring whom ever you want, you are still fighting for LAST place on the log, who cares?! #StormersForLife

  • kurtmaurice.roman - 2012-08-17 08:15

    So I guess a team that ends up at the bottom of the rugby table 2 years in a row is there on merit mmm

  • ockie.barnard.9 - 2012-08-17 08:16

    Well now... the decision has been made. Apart from the effect on the 2 respective teams, what will be the effect on SA Rugby. The Kings did not have enough time to contract the top players and will have to play with most of their current players. Some are talented enough, but I can not see them performing well in 1 year of the competition. The Lions will loose their best players to the rich unions that can afford to pay them and get them as back-ups for their own players. The question is how many players will then get game time. I would guess that quite a number will move overseas and play their rugby abroad. How can this be good for SA Rugby. On a lighter note ... I will now have to look for another team to support for next year ... maybe Sharks! (Most ex-Lion players currently at other teams in SA)

  • elize.vheerden1 - 2012-08-17 08:27

    Now the Lions union will only become yet another small union. Between sponsors and players leaving, the Lions will never seriously be able to mount a challenge for the Super 15 even if they win the play - offs next year. Congratulations to SARFU for destroying our rugby even further and making our playing pool to choose our Boks from even smaller. I wonder how many more players (current and up and coming) will now leave for overseas clubs?

  • danny.j.31 - 2012-08-17 08:36

    ""It doesn't make sense in rugby, not in business, not in the church." No Kevin - what doesn't make sense is that a city with the highest saturation of people for a fan base and youth scheme and a union in the commercial hub of Africa has failed to take advantage. In soccer, I can point to Chiefs and Pirates as Joburg football teams, or to Roma, Real Madrid, Chelsea, Arsenal, Paris St Germain and Ajax Amsterdam all as clubs that are successful and originate from the hubs of their respective countries. Sack the board

      nick.a.fury - 2012-08-17 09:25

      Hahaha bud read the article then read your post and then see where you went wrong there

  • craig.harvey.5477 - 2012-08-17 08:54

    it's got nothing to do with fair. it's WHO you know !!

  • glen.clark.37669 - 2012-08-17 09:37

    Watson should appeal, his "Kings" shouldn't be in next years tournament without proving that they are capable of achieving anything next year!! There should be a play off this year with the Lions to see who is capable of playing Super Rugby. The Lions may have been bottom of the log but I don't think the "Kings" even won the the league they were in last year did they? Not sure, but I'm sure all the other Super Rugby teams are rubbing their hands in glee as playing the "Kings" next year is going to be like having a bye! So much for no politics in sport!

  • Papgooi - 2012-08-17 10:01

    jip, have a play off now.... when we met in jan the Lions won 92-0 or close to that..... the logic of supporting every sa team overseas has just changed!

  • nico.kruger.188 - 2012-08-17 10:11

    I support Mr De Klerk on this,the Kings finally got what they wanted without having to qualify for the super rugby conference, why are you still complaining about only being allowed playing for one season Mr Watson? If you are so confident in your team why not have a play off before the super rugby season starts that way we can see who the better team is.If you wanna run with big dogs then don't piss like a puppy.

  • denis.dendrinos - 2012-08-17 10:19

    Can you imagine the Kings playing against the likes of the sharks and bulls let alone the crusaders (most successful team in Super Rugby history with seven titles (1998, 1999, 2000, 2002, 2005, 2006 and 2008)), at their home ground in Christchurch. In the dark. ;-) they gonna need extra shorts.

  • glen.clark.37669 - 2012-08-17 10:22

    Watson should appeal, if he had any sense of fair play, instead of playing the politics card, he would insist on play-offs this year to prove to all of us that the "Kings" are worthy of their place! Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think they even won their league last year. All the other super Rugby teams must be rubbing their hands in glee because playing the "Kings" next year will be like having a bye and they can rest all their main players. Play us, Watson, and be worthy of your place!!!

  • edmund.roux - 2012-08-17 10:31

    The FEAR of being relegated will add some spice to the bottom of the log I believe, the teams that are in that spot usually play for pride if you listen to the commentators. Not only will it add more fighting spirit to the bottom of the log but it will bring it fresh blood to the new season, giving the new comer some exposure and possibly even shocking some viewers if they manage to end 2nd last. The Lions may be a better out fit than the Kings, but they have had some absolute shocking results the last few years, only exception was the CC season last year.

  • rossouw.nadia - 2012-08-17 10:45

    I have to agree with Kevin de Klerk on this 1. SARU should have a structure in place were the top 5 teams from a competition like the Currie Cup earn their spot in S15 regardless if they are springbok depleted or not. Having a team depleted from Springbok players and still have the ability to perform is character of depth in a side and makes them worthy opponents for S15. I can’t see the King’s doing any better than the Lion’s – they aren’t even featuring in the local derby clashes like the Currie Cup? Or maybe I’ll be left to eat my words... only time will tell!

  • - 2012-08-17 11:20

    Well to be honest Lions don't exactly deserve to be in super rugby they haven't been a force in ages and really only making up the numbers. The Kings also haven't done anything to deserve its place and really either way they both the whipping boys for the rest. I do think Cheeky's response of not wanting the lowest placed SA team playing the lions in a playoff says allot about the ambitions of the Kings!

  • marcel.v.deventer - 2012-08-17 11:24

    I say let all of us who voice our opinion against the politics in our sport now come together and boycott the Kings team. Let us not attend any of their matches played in S-A. I will support all other teams above the Kings..

  • andre.terblanche.5 - 2012-08-17 11:38

    Hulle moes die Stormers uitgegooi het, in 11 jaar geen bekers nie? Die Kings het glo baie geld so hulle kan al die oorsese SA spelers terug koop(bv Japan) en n span bymekaar sit wat tenminste die stormers sal wen. Watter spelers is olmal oorsee wat hulle kan koop? John, Bakkies, Jaque,Brits...Grant........Olivier.....

      martin.bause - 2012-08-17 12:22

      That is exactly what people don't understand. You cannot invest money to buy players if you not going to have a proper return on their money. Once you have confirmation of, say 3 years, then you can build a team that can rival other super rugby teams. Bakkies wouldn't come back for a one year contract, but what about a 3 year contract??? Lions have been Shocking over the last while. They don't deserve to be there!