Krige says no to Luke

2009-04-06 07:36

Stephen Nell - Die Burger

Cape Town - Luke Watson is playing some of the best rugby of his career, but the controversial loose forward still has a mountain to climb if he hopes to be part of the Springbok squad again.

While Bok coach Peter de Villiers prefers not to comment about individual players, he did intimate that team dynamics may be a factor in assembling his squad.

“I have always said I will be honest with the players and will not stand in the way of anyone who wants to realise his dream. He (Watson) will be treated the same as the other players. There are many factors one takes into account.”

One of those is probably team dynamics and that may just be where Watson is doomed following last year’s comment that he had to keep himself from vomiting on the Springbok jersey.

Watson is commanding a lot of respect with his form in the Super14 this season, but his unpopularity among other players may be a problem.

Former Springbok captain Corne Krige told Sport24 Watson is playing “unbelievable rugby”.

“I would pick him for South Africa on form, but the question is whether Peter is prepared to take that risk because that can disrupt the team,” said Krige.

“The good thing about Luke this year is that we are not hearing him talk. Rugby is what he is good at and he is playing incredibly well at present. He can return to politics later in life,” said Krige.

“He is among the best fetchers in  the Super14. Rassie Erasmus (Stormers coach) is using him well as a fetcher from the No 8 position.”

Krige would not pick Watson as a “classic No 8” before the likes of Ryan Kankowski or Pierre Spies.

“I would consider using Luke to play to the ball. The problem with a loose-trio of Schalk Burger, Juan Smith and Spies is that all three are similar players. Luke gives you something different,” said Krige.

“I doubt whether he will be picked. He has a lot of talent, but it’s not that much more than other players that it will leave a gaping hole if he’s not selected.”

Krige does not believe Watson necessarily has to be a spent force at international level.

“Everybody makes mistakes. The important thing is to admit your mistake and apologise.”

To date Watson has not done that. He has made himself available to play for South Africa again following the agreement that the Protea will appear on the left of the national jersey and the Springbok will move to the right.

Die Burger

  • Anonymous User - 2009-04-06 08:05

    Send Watson to Zim I will boo him even if he has a springbok jersey on.

  • TJ - 2009-04-06 08:07

    Still waiting for the apology .... apparently wanting to vomit on the springbok is ok ....

  • Anonymous User - 2009-04-06 08:09

    If he apologises he can play - if not he can go and puke somewhere else.

  • Mary - 2009-04-06 08:10

    Hopefully we will never be subjected to the vomiting we would surely experience whilst watching Watson wear the Springbok Jersey.

  • Anonymous User - 2009-04-06 08:10

    NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He is not welcome in SA Rugby !!!

  • WP geduld - 2009-04-06 08:11

    Krige sums it up perfectly - He's good, but is he that much better than others in the running? Emotions aside, you'd have to be crazy to compromise the unity of a team by selecting someone who has the capacity to affect team morale negatively! It would take a lot for players and supporters to forgive Luke. Let's start with an apology maybe???

  • Anonymous User - 2009-04-06 08:14

    We are all guilty of some prejudice in our lives be it racial, cultural or even judgemental. Luke has said something that has hurt the country, but if he can play like he has and win games for us, we gain and he looks like the fool for doing it in a Springbok jersey. Live and let live.

  • FastDave - 2009-04-06 08:16

    How much did his Dad pay the journalists & commentators get paid to say that Watson is playing well? My word, he does nothing, and is just about always off camera, and never in the rucks & mauls. This is getting out of hand... people are talking him into the Bok side, saying he'll get there on merit.....

  • Anonymous User - 2009-04-06 08:17

    Every-one makes mistakes, and you are forgiven for your mistakes, BUT you still need to pay for them.

  • alan - 2009-04-06 08:19

    Well said Corne - -a balanced and lucid opinion that is hard to differ from. Come on Luke, over to you now.

  • Anonymous User - 2009-04-06 08:30

    I said this all along. The fact that we are all talking about him is making him better then he is. HE is NOW WHERE near the best in SA ON merit shoudl not be anywhere near the springbok squad.

  • Kermit - 2009-04-06 08:36

    I would not support a team that includes a player guilty of hate speach and who couldn' t even be man enough to appologise, just as I would not support a white player who has no problem with racist remarks. They are still the springboks, Watson is not welcome, never will be.

  • Anonymous User - 2009-04-06 08:39

    I agree fully that he is playing very good rugby, but I also believe that he is a major part of the reason the Stormers are not doing so well. The crowd booed him and this surely affected the team. Many current players may not like him which is causing a division within team ranks. He may be playing good rugby, but he has not done the good thing yet. Get rid of him.

  • Anonymous User - 2009-04-06 08:40

    If he does not apologise he does not deserve to be forgiven. He does not think that what he did was wrong. Why don't we rather leave the fetching role to the flankers. Watson does not have what it takes to compete with Kankowski or Pierre Spies.

  • Mark - 2009-04-06 08:41

    I hope I never have to see him in a Sprinbok jersey again. It doesn't matter how well he is playing - when you are disliked by your peers and the majority of the SA public then that says something about you as a person. He should rather go into politics as he's already made an arse of himself like every other poltician in the country.

  • Al - 2009-04-06 08:47

    Selecting him for the Boks won't work. He will want to vomit all the time and one cannot play when nauseas.

  • Anonymous User - 2009-04-06 08:50

    i kinda wish that watson was hit by a car instead of mackay... man that would have made my day.... !! watson this, watson that, he is sooooooooooooooooo overrated !!

  • Hansie - 2009-04-06 08:50

    Has anyone wondered why the only game the Stormers played as a unit, was when Luke Watson was not in the starting XV?????? If the players in his own provincial side are not happy with him, how can other players be happy with him???? @FastDave - Open your eyes. You are probably the ONLY person in SA that says he is not playing great rugby at the moment. I still would not want him in any team!!!!!

  • Anonymous User - 2009-04-06 08:51

    I believe Luke has a lot to offer rugby and has been a subject of ill feeling which in the beginnig was created by others. Unfortunately, he decided to become part of it but show me one person in this world that has not made mistakes. Humans are quick to judge but sit back and think or your life before you judge then maybe we would have a better world. For everyone who boo's at Luke, it shows bad character. I wish Luke all the best and that he continues to play good rugby

  • Jacques - 2009-04-06 08:52

    Players who are not prepared to play with Luke must not be selected. What Luke said was 100% correct, there's no need to apologise for calling a spade a spade. Afrikaanners are full of k**, they are a problem in this country!!

  • jerome philander - 2009-04-06 08:54

    Why should luke apologise for speaking his conviction-how many of you made some contreversial, derogatory, destructive comments in your social sircles which you justified because that is the way you believe. Who are you that luke should conform to your acceptance. wrt puking on the rugby jersey hey man!!!! wake up do a survey there will definitely be may millions that would want to do the same. Corne i admire you but it does not mean that one should apologise for believing different and have the courage to say it.

  • TS - 2009-04-06 08:57

    The white man white people luv to hate. he will never make the team, no matter how good he is. you people need to get over it. he said what every non-white has been thinking before apartheid. and what many of still do think of that bok emblem.

  • Frederick - 2009-04-06 08:57

    I hope Luke Watson are not selected for the Springboks again. He might be playing well, but Botes and Daniels from the Sharks are amongst the best flankers in the Super 14. The best thing for Luke to do is to get an overseas contract and dissapear from the local scene. We are blessed with outstanding loose forwards, and Luke is no world class super star, like McGaw or Burger, so he won't be missed.

  • Anonymous User - 2009-04-06 09:03

    Why did he accept the Springbok jersey in the first instance if that was the way he felt about it?

  • Anonymous User - 2009-04-06 09:04

    Watson is good, and everybody that says he does not derve his place, go suck. He is good and selection is made on performance. If PdV picks him, the its fine. We can prescribe to the coach what to do,

  • Tsotsi - 2009-04-06 09:04

    He will only send the Sprinboks down the Stormers path.... No thank you!

  • Anonymous User - 2009-04-06 09:05

    Sorry Corne, you were one of the best loosies, but I have to tell you that you don't know what you're talking about. Luke has been playing an average game at best. He deserves a run in the Speers outfit, to that I would agree. We have enough loosie talent and firepower in the form of the Sharks and Bulls. Thses two teams play the game for what it is, and not as a political tool. It is irrelivant whether or not Luke said what the media claimed he said. He remains a mediocre rugby player.

  • Walker - 2009-04-06 09:07

    I have said it once I have said it 100 times ... He only looks good in a very very weak Stormers team. Corne catch a wake up. He wouldnt catch a game in the Sharks or Bulls team.. Go SHARKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Anonymous User - 2009-04-06 09:08

    with his attitude I don't want him anywhere near a Springbok jersey, go vommit somewhere else...he ain't welcome till he publicly apologises (at the very least), and even then I think he'll be disruptive, cos I don't think he be easily forgiven by other Boks, and rightly so!

  • Anonymous User - 2009-04-06 09:09

    i just feel sorry for the stormers having to sit with him.hes the talking point of every conversation about being crap or the best no.8 in the world.what about the rest of the team? they must be sick of him so i dont think hes even good for moral in that team.

  • Anonymous User - 2009-04-06 09:10

    Yet again we're subjected to another story on the Watsons. Looks like a week doesn't go by without a story of their pathetic antics. The sooner the nation turns their backs on this family the better. Luke's been a trouble maker since school days, I bet if his coaches could turn back time they would have played him in the U13 D side or made him captain of the cross country team.

  • Tiaan - 2009-04-06 09:10

    Strange how all you that criticise the man make anonumous remarks. Based on his current performance you cannot leave him out of any Springbok team. Corne i think you hit the nail right on the head with your analises. Go Luke!

  • James - 2009-04-06 09:15

    Why all the fuss? He doesn't care about the Springbokjersey he said so himself, he wants to vomit on it so why pick him. His dad then even called the coach a baboon so why are we even discussing him. He is not worth a Springbokjersey even if he is voted best player in the world and we are putting Peter de Villiers under pressure by just discussing this issue. If he is so good let him go play overseas.

  • dave - 2009-04-06 09:16

    The headline does not even come close to reflecting Krige's viewpoint. C'mon guys, stop looking for the sensational; stop stirring the s.... and tell it like it is !!!!

  • Gerhard - 2009-04-06 09:19

    For me the green and gold and the Springbok is very special. That is how it is. If Luke Watson apologised, I would forgive, but that has not happened, and if it did now I would be pressed to believe him. He is a bloody good player and there is great opportunites for him in the UK, and Europe and even the USA nowadays. The guy can make a good career there. Springbok again? Not likely...

  • John - 2009-04-06 09:19

    disgusting comments as usual. The anonymas person who wishes it was Watson versus MacKay needs to go & look in a mirror because you are a lot worse than the person you are attacking. Get a life you piece of trash.

  • Nandipha - 2009-04-06 09:27

    aaahh..the hated white son Luke...most of the people's comments here and I can take a guess most white afrikaans speakers illustrate exactly why the likes of Luke need to break rank and say what needs to be said.SA Rugby is not a white afrikaans only game,its is for the whole of SA.Afrikaners can not carry on laying claim to it and believing that its only for them to do as they wish and carry on to close ranks so they can carry on racists practices within it the rugby domains.It can not go on.The face(seems the voice too) of the game is changing and the march is on and you will have to just get used to it. Get it...didnt think so! Luke for the Protea/Springbok jersey!

  • Black&Proud - 2009-04-06 09:27

    Not surprising is it. The Luke Watson hate band wagon is out and spouting preconceived,fallacious assertions. Which part of the nation has he hurt save for the racist that he was referring to in his article/speech. You lot don't even understand the dynamics of the political affiliations of the majority in this country. Krige and most of you need to Wake up and smell the coffee by revisiting Watson's article without any emotional attachment. Objective analysis will lead to your shame and apology to him and the black majority. With your adamant attitude and stubbornness i have a feeling that the chickens will be coming to roost soon.Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that Watson is a saint but what he contextually said about the Afrikaaner people is nothing strange to most black people like me.Even 15 years after the collapse of the apartheid you still cling on to that stinking apartheid like "self righteous" attitude.It really nauseates me. Please people change before you indirectly/directly exacerbate a radical movement in this country.

  • Anonymous User - 2009-04-06 09:39

    Jacques my dear boy... You are as dillusional as Watson. '94 elections put everyone on equal footing. I believe it is honourable to stand together for your country. He did not want to and JW did not want him to be part of it. Don't mix rugby and politics, it will only be one big mess! You are probably one of those english folks who speak of Afrikaans people as dutchmen... Strange though that JZ should say we are the only true white South Africans... Tsk tsk, maybe you should take your pommy attitude of "I am better than the rest" and stick it where the sun don't shine

  • Anonymous User - 2009-04-06 09:41

    Why does News 24 publish crap like this. All you are doing is pissing people off and pushing for a big reaction and thereby, get more hits on the site. We are tired of hearing about that idiot PUKE WATSON. We all agree, he is not worth the time.

  • Anonymous User - 2009-04-06 09:44

    Luke is the best!!

  • Anonymous User - 2009-04-06 09:44

    How is it that its OK to not apologize if the racist remarks made where against afrikaaners, but not ok if you call a coach a baboon. I dont agree with either of these situations, but some sanity and a little consistency would go a long way Jess

  • Anonymous User - 2009-04-06 09:52

    To anonymous for wishing that Luke should have been hit by a car, I'm shocked that you could wish the death of another person, I will pray for you even although I do not know you.

  • Anonymous User - 2009-04-06 09:53

    Aah mr Black & Proud, how I would love to spend an afternoon with you. Your comments are the most racist on this whole page... They said it would take 10 years for racism to subside, yet you cling to it as though all the wrongs of the past was done to you... I am an Afrikaans girl and for the past 15 years we had to take slandering from every corner. We apologised, I don't say anything if a black person cuts the line or even if a taxi nearly hits my car! One of my best friends is actually a very nice black lady called Martha. Soos ons in afrikaans sal sê: Haal eers daai balk uit jou eie oog voor jy kom kritiseer oor wat 10 teen 1 voor jou geboorte gebeur het!" The world don't owe you anything, so stop making claims!

  • Wessel - 2009-04-06 09:54

    Simple as this: Rugby is a team sport and the sum of the whole picture is what count in the team context. The physical, mental/emotional which may involve personal issues all make impact on a players performance. The negative as well as the positive; positive mental/emotional influence mean a player will perform well and with energy. The negative means that his own performance could suffer and as such the TEAMS performance will suffer. Luke may play well as Corne' states...however there are 14 other players on the team, how do they feel mentally and emotionally about having Luke in THEIR TEAM......their team because it belongs to the 15 players and the reserve...not to the management!!!! The management do not need to go on a rugby field and have a negative individual with his own (and dad's) agenda next to them. IF HE PLAYS I WILL WAGER MY LIFE SAVINGS ON THE FACT THE SPRINGBOKS WILL NOT SUCCEED AGAINST THE LIONS...ANY TAKERS ON THAT ONE?!!!!

  • Black&Proud - 2009-04-06 09:59

    The more I read these boards, the more infuriated I get on most of the so-called "purists" in here. You need to be ashamed of yourself, that's why it will take me a while to truly trust a white person. You guys are full of deceit and hatred.This begs the question of how you refer to us, black people, in your homes as you are well afraid of doing it in a public forum. I always say that kids learn their shenanigans from their parents. No wonder racism is still rampant in this society.Who is Watson supposed to apologize to in the first place. You lot in denial need to apologize and truly embrace transformation and integration. I'm yet to encounter a genuine white South African who truly is non-race oriented. What luke alluded to doesn't need anyone to be a politician to lament on. God help us please, this pain of dehumanization is unbearable.

  • thegreenman - 2009-04-06 10:04

    Another rant from Corne "rent-a-quote" Krige. Can't we all just leave politics alone and stop ranting about race, "black people this", "white people that", "afrikaaners something else" ... get it into your heads people, black, white, pink, blue, we are all SOUTH AFRICANS ... stop the blame culture ... so get over it and get on with it!

  • Anonymous User - 2009-04-06 10:07

    The problem is the springbok emblem. Afrikaners reckon that it belongs to afrikaner boertjies only and as long it is theirs old Lukie will not get a change to wear the jersey again no matter how good he plays in the super 14. Maybe that ouk, Stofile I think he is called, who is back in rugby again, will change the emblem to a kwagga (black and white) and old Lukie will get a change again. Just kidding boertjies!!!!!!

  • jp rheeder - 2009-04-06 10:20

    AGREED. WP geduld4/6/2009 8:11 AM Krige sums it up perfectly - He's good, but is he that much better than others in the running? Emotions aside, you'd have to be crazy to compromise the unity of a team by selecting someone who has the capacity to affect team morale negatively! It would take a lot for players and supporters to forgive Luke. Let's start with an apology maybe???

  • Leon - 2009-04-06 10:22

    He is playing good rugby at the moment. but at the end of the day being a springbok is about more than having a good season. if you dont have pride in your team you will not give your best effort when the pressure is on. SA's 2 World cup victories are perfect examples of a passionate team playing thier hearts to win the match. Having even one player who is not comitted to his team mates can break them. Luke Watson does not deserve to be on a team full of players who have dreamed of playing for thier country since thier first u/9 game and can now wear the Springbok jersey with pride. Until evey boy who has dreamed of playing for the springboks and has played his heart out to perhaps someday have the HONOUR of playing for thier country gets an apology. Puke Watson is not welcome on the team.