Kings to be part of Super 16?

2010-07-21 22:34

JJ Harmse

Brisbane – The Southern Kings are set to play Super rugby in 2013.

However, the Eastern Cape franchise will not have to replace one of the five existing South African franchises as the Super 15 is set to become a Super 16 in three years’ time.

The Kings will then be the sixth South African franchise participating in the tournament.

Sport24 has reliably learned that the proposal by South Africa at a SANZAR meeting had been accepted in principle by New Zealand and Australia.

A working committee will iron out the finer details of the issue.

The inclusion of the Kings, who will play in the South African conference, may mean that South African teams start their Super rugby campaigns two weeks earlier than usual.

The news will be welcomed by the Kings. They have been fighting for recognition as a Super rugby team for a number of years, but have had their participation postponed every time. The Kings can now continue to enlarge their player base and negotiate with sponsors.

The latest development is also good news for the South African Rugby Union (SARU), who gave the government an undertaking that the Eastern Cape would be incorporated in the mainstream of rugby.

The Super 15 of 2011 starts with teams from the respective countries first participating in derbies against one another before taking on overseas opponents.

The Bulls, Stormers, Lions, Cheetahs and Sharks will play each other home and away, while the same will happen in New Zealand.

With the Kings’ expected involvement in 2013, it may mean that three Super rugby derbies are played per weekend.

Meanwhile, Michael Green reports that Kings chief executive Stephan Pretorius still insisted a few months ago that the franchise should play Super rugby next year.

There was talk at SARU that the Kings may participate in a European competition later this year. Nothing has come of that, nor have any of the mooted friendly matches against international opponents materialised.


  • Koos Kaap - 2010-07-21 22:43

    Hopefully the Kings will deliver real talent and not AA players like midget Aplon who cant tackle!!

  • MTBob - 2010-07-21 23:22

    As the number of teams get more, the standard gradually drops, hence "Super" part of the Super XX will need to be dropped.

  • Chris in Oz - 2010-07-21 23:44

    The Kings should stick with Europe, where they might be able to beat teams from Romania and Georgia. Leave the Super Rugby to the real rugby franchises. They will get whipped every time. And don't tell me they did well against the Lions. They were a team full of Bulls players with the odd Cheetah and WP player in the mix. The whole idea of the Kings is to "develop" rugby under the black EC population. That implies that they will need homegrown players. And frankly the homegrown talent in the EC is not good enough yet (this is not a racist opinion, but if you want to call me that, be my guest). Let the Kings develop in the Currie Cup first. And when they are good enough to make a CC semi let them take on the Super Rugby franchises.

  • Joe Rugby - 2010-07-22 00:04

    Koos: Would that be as opposed to Jean de Villiers who opened the holes for the All Blacks to run through? Finally we have a franchise for the biggest player base in the country. It's two decades overdue (since Super 12 days) and finally with a bit of government pressure, the politics against Eastern Province rugby that started in the 70s seems to be set to be a thing of the past. Hopefully former Eastern Province natives can come back for some input into the Kings. Then we can get the Danie Gerbers, Mark Andrews and Os du Randts involved. I can't wait to see this materialise!

  • OMG! - 2010-07-22 00:24

    WTF is wrong with SANZAR? There should only be 10 teams in the competition not 16! Is that now that the “bigger” teams can rest players against useless opposition like the Lions, Cheetahs, new Melbourne clowns, Spears and Highlanders” @KOOS VAN DIE KAAP djou MASSA jy weet wat! Stupid old f@rt...which team had the best defence in SRugby this year? GFY!

  • Koos - 2010-07-22 01:46

    The problem is not what players they will have (because they will be AA), but what irks me is that all our vodacom cup teams will rub the floor with the "kings". Teams like the pumas, Griquas and Boland should rather be considered than these bunch of jokers. All this mean is that we will see scores going into the 200's.

  • Tommygun - 2010-07-22 02:13

    It may be a good thing for the other five franchises. Now they will all be guaranteed to start the S16 with a fullhouse of points from this match before they meet overseas opposition. That is unless the Kings "Stick" it to them HA HA!!

  • mike - 2010-07-22 02:34

    Be good for SA rugby, maybe they'll turn out a Danie Gerber, Hennie le Roux or Garth Wright along the way...

  • @ Koos Kaap - 2010-07-22 02:55

    Aplon deserves a go in the green and gold - he always give everything he's got and he what he may lack in size he fully makes up for in terms of speed and agility and determination. Give the guy an honest break, he deserves to be there on merit.

  • Bad decision - 2010-07-22 04:03

    SA rugby is already spread too thin. yes we had 2 top teams last year but what happened to the other 2. Now we want to add one more. the season is in any case too long. Adding too it means more injuries and a poorer quality of game.

  • polly - 2010-07-22 04:16

    We hope that the Eastern Cape can now keep the schoolboy talent we have produced for years. SARU must place a restriction on the bigger unions poaching talent and then keeping them on the bench for 5 years. It is a tragedy to see the talent that has been wasted at the Bulls and the Sharks. Each union must be able to prove what they are doing for the development of players in their own regions. They must also be limited to the amount of money they can spend on contracts each season. We are going the same way as English football in that there are four or five rich clubs and then the rest. Look at the results of England at the soccer world cup.

  • whindy - 2010-07-22 05:56

    Koos kaap you are a plonker of monumental proportions get over yourself!!Racism is so tiring and I am sick to death of plonkers like you, with your negative comments, if you havent got anything good to say then shut up!!

  • Will - 2010-07-22 06:20

    Size has nothing to do with it. Big Spies is prob the boks worst tackler.

  • NZKiwi - 2010-07-22 06:25

    thats bullsh**. The team should of gone to the argentinians.

  • hans - 2010-07-22 06:29

    Can't wait for the Super 40 in 2050.Bulls to be Super 40 Champs!!!!!

  • Loverboy - 2010-07-22 06:44

    or hopefully u can change your k@k name

  • Sizwe - 2010-07-22 06:52

    @Koos Kaap - So you would prefer a big hulk of a man like Spies who ALSO cannot tackle? If Aplon scores a few tries who the hell cares how many tackles he makes? You're probably the type of person who would like to see fifteen John Smits take the field - unfortunately this will only get you laughed at and won't win you matches.

  • 06 - 2010-07-22 06:54

    The super rugby compitition is getting insane. I take it that it will be a super 28 by 2024 if it goes on like this. But I must also say that the Eastern Cape needs a franchise just like Mpumalanga, Noord-Wes and Limpopo.

  • Noel - 2010-07-22 06:56

    How can they walk straight into Super 15 rugby. They have,nt played a game as a team. Make them play in the Vodacom Cup to show if they can play rugby. What's the bet they will be beaten by the likes of WP Blue Bulls,Wildebeest, Free State. Should be renamed Kompela's Kompilation

  • Garreth - 2010-07-22 07:21

    great more rugby to tire out our already over played players. wen will SANZAR learn that you cant just keep increasing the size of the competitions. our players are already playing almost 3 times the rugby they should be with next years super 15. wen are they suposed to rest. dont get me wrong. i am a huge rugby fan and congratulations are in order for the Southern Kings. but whats to stop SANZAR now making it the Super 20. or eventually the Super 30. they have to think of the players to, not just how to line their pockets faster.

  • Jeff Aucamp - 2010-07-22 07:25

    Of course the Aussie and NZ teams will welcome this,it spreads the talent even more thinly accross the board. 16 teams,longer season.Talk about killing the goose that lays the golden egg.Too much Rugby chaps,too much Rugby!!

  • Dronkie - 2010-07-22 07:26

    @koos kaap - where are you gonna "grow" these big black players..cause I don't see them playing for the Bulldoggs or for EP currently ..

  • Michael - 2010-07-22 07:43

    Wrong move. We complain that our top players are playing too much rugby, now we want them to add 2 more games to the list. The Kings should replace the bottom team in SA and the team sitting out to that year to replace the bottom SA team at the end of that year. Simple. One good thing is that the Lions wont be at the bootom of log in 2013.

  • Jakes - 2010-07-22 07:54

    Another SA team at the bottom of the log, joining the Lions and the Cheetas. Where are they going to get players? From the Pumas and the Griquas? Border is non-existent, Elephants is not even good enough for the Vodacom Cup. Maybe they should look at developing soccer/cricket rather than rugby?

  • Haha - 2010-07-22 07:58

    ...Kings of losing.. ....They will be the laughing stock in the S16.. ....will never win one game.. ...Ha ha ha ha .!!!

  • Jo - 2010-07-22 08:12

    hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha this is the funniest april fools joke ever...wait....

  • Klaar met rugby - 2010-07-22 08:14

    Can't wait to watch the Malmesbury Tiere take part in the Super 30 soon.

  • Splugton Hogg - 2010-07-22 08:16

    Bring on the extra teams, it all means nothing. There is only one team, the Crusaders so the rest can GFT!!! Remember, Splugton Hogg is watching!

  • j - 2010-07-22 08:16

    Cheetahs were not bottom of the table lost season they were 11th above western force, higlanders and lions and had the same points as the chiefs.

  • Stuart - 2010-07-22 08:18

    The Kings will have to bring in Argentina players (they will be part of the 4 Nations) , the expats in the UK and get SARU to contract the U20's for the Kings, you will also see guys wanting to go back to PE to finish off their careers as its one of better cities in SA after CPT & Dbn. I see the tide turning in the Eastern Cape, I will laugh myself silly when the Lions finish below the Kings..

  • wes - 2010-07-22 08:20

    If EC can only keep all their players that are bred there, then they could easily compete and beat the top teams, because those Bulls and Stormers teams cant breed a top team without stealing players from other unions. Like a famous coach said when he was asked why he has 4 top level flyhalves on his roster: "so that the other teams can't have them"

  • Negativity ? - 2010-07-22 08:22

    40% of all SA rugby players come from EP,or thats what I've read...the rebels received allot of funding to ensure they "buy" a decent team... and the number of "foreign" players allowed in their team was raised... if the same is done for the kings, they will be able to field a strong team and be competitive, they probably don't deserve the chance to play super rugby, and I would've liked to see them qualify or proof themselves in the currie cup before moving to super rugby...but lets not be so quick to judge, and maybe we'll be surprised ...

  • Obvious - 2010-07-22 08:22

    Well, there's a nice big stadium now...

  • Tank - 2010-07-22 08:29

    Daar moet n sesteem wees met n 2de divisie super rugby ook, dat die swakste span gaan 2de divisie toe en die top span in die 2de divisie gaan 1st divisie toe. Dit sal meer druk van die top spanne af haal, en mens kan nog so ver gaan om die swakste 2de div. span met die vodacom wenners of n Aus of Nz soortgelyke span te vervang. Dit sal alles meer kompeterent maak en sorg vir n korter seisoen.

  • @Sizwe - 2010-07-22 08:32

    But that is where Koos Kaap has a point...Aplon does not score tries - he could not even score one single try in 15 super 14 matches!!

  • The Bobster - 2010-07-22 08:33

    @Koos Kaap - with such a name you supposedly live In Cape Town? You supposedly have attended a few Stormers matches? You surely MUST have seen Gio Aplon defend as if possessed by the devil? Unfair comment wrt Gio's defending capabilities.

  • DC@HAHA - 2010-07-22 08:38

    So you would rather the LIONS keep there laughing stock tag then? Kick the Lions out and put in the KINGS. They cant do any worse. The Lions broke all records last season & are now the worst team to have ever played Super Rugby. There should be a relegation system were the worst SA team go out every season. The Lions players should be fined or sacked for poor performance. Remember, the Kings would have use of the New Nelson Mandela Bay Stadium and that would be great. Its been too long since that part of SA had top class rugby.

  • Petrus S. Martens - 2010-07-22 08:42

    Patients all, patients. Look at where the Blue Bulls was then and where it is now. With time, we all will see a huge improvement. Remember those black players that came through up to SA A teams and ? You will see them now, together with other players that warm the benches at the other franchises. Mark my words!

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  • @Koos Kaap - 2010-07-22 08:54

    Agree, ...Baby Aplon is just another quota player.. ...nothing more.... .....pathetic.....

  • The Voice of Reason - 2010-07-22 09:11

    This is great news, at last the Eastern Cape can start to retain some of it's high school talent. This will be great for rugby in the region. It may hurt schools like KES though, who actually pay players to move from the Eastern Cape to their school. @Chris in Oz, if any country doesn't have enough home grown talent, it would be Oz. The Melbourne Rebels will be a team to many. Much like the Force, I expect them to do well for 2 years, and then fall apart.

  • RM - 2010-07-22 09:11

    Don't worry, not only will the rugby talent be thinly spread, the paying public will start to be thinly spread as well. Turnout at matches is dropping anyway. 25000 spectators at a Sharks/Bulls game & they want to move the rugby public to the newer bigger stadia where the ticket prices will be higher. The golden goos is going to end up on the dinner table methinks!!

  • Colin - 2010-07-22 09:18

    As i am from New Zealand, i am bewildered at the mere thought of another South African Team joining the Super 15. In NZ we have other teams (Hawke's Bay) who are beating the likes of Auckland, Waikato( chiefs) and Otago (Highlanders) consistently for the last 4 years in the previous AirNZ cup (now ITM cup). And yet they don't even get a chance to participate in the Super 15.

  • Joke! - 2010-07-22 09:19

    A joke!!! So the Lions is still protected by SARU. Pathetic and another SA team will only further reduce the strength of our existing teams. geed heavens, who is making there decisions. SA should only have 4 teams, but if it must be 5 teams then it should be the Lions or the Kings - not both.

  • 22 quotas... - 2010-07-22 09:22

    ...why not select 22 quota and AA players for the Kings team, ..and see them losing every game... will be wonderfull..!!! ...our own "all black" team...!!

  • Roaan - 2010-07-22 11:27

    I think the 16 teams will solve alot of issues, by making it a pool system like the world cup but inc Home and away games in the pools stages with 6 game each, (7 weeks of rugby inc a bye) then its quater, semi and then final, all comes down to 10 weeks of super rugby. Giving players much needed break for intenasionals. This system will make every game count and make the now stale Super franchise a bit more exiting. Just an idea

  • AH - 2010-07-22 12:21

    So much negativity...or should i say small-minded thinking??? Maybe some people should do a SWOT analysis before they complain about the first thought that comes to mind. What an opportunity for EP rugby to become a strentgh. EP has powerful schools and this will provide them with a chance to hold on to their players. The more rugby academies we have, the more opportunity to develop depth in SA rugby. And there's the possibility to get players playing in Europe to come back? We do have enough players to play at the highest level...but we do lack in developing quality. Another high performance academy will be awesome! This is great news for SA rugby! Maybe though the Super 16 should be broken into two groups. I agree there is too much rugby...let's not make the season longer.

  • Tank - 2010-07-22 12:30

    Die divisie ding kan ook gedoen word met n eerste en 2de divisie kompetisie. So kan daar nog meer spanne in kom en dit sal dit ook n korter kompetisie maar.

  • Sabhi Cele - 2010-07-22 13:53

    Ninobandlululo madoda angazi ibala lingena kanjani kulento eshiwo lana. Kungcono kuvulwe amaqembu abantu abamhlphe nabamnyama khona kuzophela ukukhuluma. Nina botamu lukhuni kuyasho ukuthi anelusanga.

  • lion not supporter - 2010-07-22 15:53

    Ha ha ha... Now our Lion Friends will not be so embarrassed when the super 16 takes place....only finish in 15th place we hope..... Go Sharkies