Kings struggle for public nod

2012-02-06 11:36

Rob Houwing, Sport24 chief writer

Cape Town – The recent insistence by SA Rugby that the Southern Kings will definitely compete in Super Rugby from next year continues to fly in the face of nationwide public sentiment around the Eastern Cape franchise, it seems.

Sport24 conducted a readers’ poll over the past few days, offering various preferred options for a restructured competition from 2013.

But the vast majority of respondents – some 54% of almost 1,800 votes in total – effectively urged no change at all to the current 15-team, three-conference format, opting for “Rethink the whole Kings participation: it’s going to make things too messy”.

Then there was a big drop to 17% for next most popular choice among the six offered: “If there can still only be five SA sides, relegate the worst-faring SA side this season”.

Under those circumstances, expect more of a home conference “bloodbath” than usually even occurs for the derbies, as sides go all out this season to avoid dreaded eviction from Super Rugby.

Third most popular choice (13%) was “Persuade SANZAR to have 16 teams, no conferences, and go back to a round-robin format”.

That would probably make the whole process smoother and less fractious from a South African point of view, although SANZAR bosses have warned rather ominously that changes to the current 15-team, three-conference format (only installed last year) are unlikely right now.

Should amalgamations be necessary to squeeze in the Kings to the mix, readers reached the interesting conclusion that “creating a unified Highveld side between the Bulls and Lions” (10%) was a superior option to “re-establishing a Cats-type franchise between the Cheetahs and Lions” (4%).

A flimsy further 2% of voters, assuming that a South African side will have to make way, rooted for “Judge the demotion on results over a five-year period, including the 2012 season”.

Under that model, the Cheetahs would be favoured to stay at the expense of the Lions, as they have fared better than the Johannesburg outfit for most of the past five years in Super Rugby.


  • Etienne - 2012-02-06 11:41

    Everybody knows that keeping the Kings out will be best for SA rugby. But if that cannot be achieved a Highveld team merging Bulls and Lions is the only other option that makes sence.

      Skwertno1 - 2012-02-06 11:54

      I agree on one side, Keep the Kings out, not because I dont want more SA teams there, but because some other team will suffer some way or another. Merging either The Bulls & The Lions or The Lions & The Cheetahs is not an option , I dont agree with that option as, 1. they have earned the right to be there, and 2. via any option the Lions (who won the CC last Year) or the Cheetahs would be the 1's to take a dip. 3. that would centralise the power base of inland rugby with The Bulls...

      Jako - 2012-02-06 12:08

      @proafrikaans. go you good thing.

      ivan.coetzee2 - 2012-02-06 12:24

      100% agree with Proafrikaans, this is being politically manipulated for the benefit of thatas-kissing Watson family! Cheeky is looking for the top job at SARU also, so his son puke can take over the reigns at PE Kings

      cheryl.kristiansen - 2012-02-06 12:28

      No No No to any merge of the Lions with the Bulls. That would mean having to support Pretoria? AAARRRHHHH never i tell you, NEVER! Go Jozie go!!!

      Ruan - 2012-02-06 13:02

      Drop the lions, in with the kings!!! Why keep the Kings out, it makes sense to develope everywhere. Dont be short sighted!!!

      Hanno - 2012-02-06 13:44

      Who died and made them Kings?

      Ja - 2012-02-06 15:25

      Ruan .. the Lions are the Currie cup champs .. leave Rugby comments to people who know rugby .. News 24 has an entertainment section ..

      Hugh - 2012-02-06 16:45

      @proafrikaans, share their earnings with another province? Um, I was under the impression that both sides of the Jukskei were Gauteng. Unless this damn government has change things again.

  • Paul - 2012-02-06 11:52

    Go Team Red Bull.

      Jako - 2012-02-06 12:08


  • Chris - 2012-02-06 11:57

    The Lions have been bottom of the log for ages, so let the Kings come along and have a chance to be bottom of the log for a season.

      aubrey.gloster - 2012-02-06 12:08

      Chris have the Lions ever won the Super?

      Johan - 2012-02-06 12:17

      Why should they make the bottom of the log in super rugby if they can't even make it on the bottom of the currie cup log ?? Aubrey, yes they won the super 10 in 93!

      nelius.vantonder - 2012-02-06 12:34

      @Abrey.Gloster - learn your rugby boet! Transvaal won the very first Super Rugby competition in 1993 against Auckland!

      Paul - 2012-02-06 12:44

      @nelius.vantonder Duh !!! and The Transvall are The Lions ...learn your Rugby boet !!!

      Peter - 2012-02-06 14:04

      Brains of a squashed Locust

  • Hanno - 2012-02-06 11:59

    Let them play a season with empty seats, which is bound to happen in as Aus and NZ as well, then we'll see how quickly politics come to its senses.

      Dieter - 2012-02-06 12:12

      empty seats? what you smoking? EP Kings vs Pumas a season ago had 48 000 at the game in PE! Sharks couldn't even get 20 000 at last years semi! also millions of $$$ coming to PE!! PE people are hungry for rugby! - you'll see ... you know what they say about assumptions??

      Johan - 2012-02-06 12:18

      Dieter we'll see how many of you go to that stadium after the Kings get kicked by 50+ nine games in a row

      Dieter - 2012-02-06 12:42

      Johan .... EP is under no illusion .... they know they can't compete with the current team .... they'll probably sign a whole new squad with new sponsorships etc .... if you read the articles on facebook etc (EP Kings & EP KIngs Army, EP Kings Supporters etc ... , you'll see that millions are available now that the Kings are secured of a Super 15 place! --- watch this space!

      Johan - 2012-02-06 13:06

      like who and what? Dude have you ever heard the expression don't count your eggs before they are hatched? Seriously from a business point of view, its very hard to get sponsors if you loose, ask the lions and the cheetahs and the kings are going to be doing a lot of losing!!!

      Chris - 2012-02-06 13:43

      Ag Dieter, if they sign a whole new squad there will be no development, so then the whole purpose of this stupid idea is defeated.

      Hanno - 2012-02-06 13:46

      @Johan I heard Victor Matfield might be available...and John Smit....and De Wet Barry...and Johan Heunis...and Doc Craven....

      Johan - 2012-02-06 13:50

      @Hanno, Goeies !!!!! :)

      Peter - 2012-02-06 14:12

      Dieter, that 48000 was the whole population of Witbank, Middelburg and Nelspruit.

      Hanno - 2012-02-06 14:19

      Question is, will there be 48 000 every week to see their team getting hammered by a cricket score?

  • Ndira - 2012-02-06 12:06

    give the Kings a chance, what worse they do,lose every game???the lions already did that

      Bootman - 2012-02-06 12:26

      So did the Bulls....

      Marius - 2012-02-06 16:25

      To the guys who keep on harping about Transvaal who won the S10 in 1993, In 1993 EP finished 3rd on the Currie Cup log, above both WP and the Northern Transvaal. TRANSVAAL finished 1st and Natal 2nd. Then Allister Coetzee took over the coaching and coached EP out of the Currie Cup within 2 years. Since then Transvaal had been stone last in Super rugby every year and not far from last in the Currie Cup as well until last year. So what GOD given right does the Lions have to remain in Super Rugby after 10 years of coming last every year.

      Johan - 2012-02-07 09:10

      Uhhh let me see current Currie Cup champions, won super 10, won the currie cup 10 times and won the vodacom cup +- 6 times err what have the Kings provinces done so far...... 2 currie cups shared in 190 something long ago ( Border) and what else ..... seriously what else??

  • aubrey.gloster - 2012-02-06 12:07

    Amalgamate all the Cape teams. It makes the most sense.They have never won anything the past decade. Maybe if they pool their resources they might win the Vodacom Cup

      Hanno - 2012-02-06 13:48

      It would be a logistic nightmare, especially since PE doesn't have the mountain...

      Nick - 2012-02-06 13:54

      might not have won any senior comp the past decade but have never finished bottom the lions are insolvent so they will have to merge or make way the griquas deserve to be in the comp more than a side that can't win b section not qualify for currie cup

      craig.james.beetham - 2012-02-07 16:25

      There's 750 km between George & East London boet, may be logistically better to combine Lions, Bulls, Sharks, Cheetahs and the other 3 B-section sides in that area!!

  • Richard - 2012-02-06 12:11

    Rob, Please explain why Sport 24 as a brand would merge with IOL. Your competition firstly and why when you have built the most successful and recognized rugby brand in SA. Go and dilute it with another unsuccessful brand. Why not merge stormers and Kings for that matter? Or would that upset you?

      Hanno - 2012-02-06 14:10

      The Stormers already refused the Saracens vs Biaritz game to be played at Cape Point...don't think they will approve moving all their games to NMMB stadium......

  • Peter - 2012-02-06 12:21

    keep them out, already the Cheetahs have their team decimated by the other franchise buying their stars . Keep SA rugby strong dont water it down

  • Hannes - 2012-02-06 12:23

    Why not merge the Kings and Stormers???? The Bulls have won the title 3 times and the Lions(Transvaal) won the Super 10 way back when. What have the Stormers done in Super rugby?

      Shistirrer - 2012-02-06 12:32

      They did much better than the Bulls last year, both in S15 and CC. Or are you suffering from selective memory like your fellow Bulls supporters?

      Hanno - 2012-02-06 13:49

      And then we call them the Springs....

      Nick - 2012-02-06 14:03

      another guy with selective memory i'll fill in the gap for you 1998-2002 log position 11 , 12 , 11 , 12 , 12

      Nick - 2012-02-06 14:30

      BLOU like i said haven't won any SENIOR ie currie cup but dominate junior level and varsity cup unfortunately the limpopo government seems to be running wp rugby with all the political bs the reason for rassie leaving and mallett before him no selective memory here ps the boks saviour coached them when they finished dead last anyway 2 of the aussie teams shouldn't be there their attendance across the board is crap and if kings can't qualify for currie cup then they shouldn't be in super rugby but they will be so either have round robin relegation between bottom 2 and kings or hope that the useless saru administrators can pull finger don't need another cats scenario again

  • ruanne.barnard - 2012-02-06 12:26

    This does not make any sense, the kings cant even make it into the currie cup with the big guns, and now they want to come into the super 15. Please SA rugby wake up,kings in super rugby is gonna be the biggest joke in the world!

  • Fred - 2012-02-06 12:29

    Let the Kings play against the lowest SA Super15 team at the end of the Super15 season in a promotion/relegation game. Then you let the better team play next season. Don't just let them play because Cheeky Watson is owed political favours.

      Shistirrer - 2012-02-06 12:48

      This is the only option that makes sense. It is also the reason why the Bulls supporters are so vehemently against the idea.

      Hanno - 2012-02-06 13:50

      Well, that won't happen, because they have already been awarded a spot. So just drop the last team on the SA conference log and let the Kings play until SARU has to promise someone else a spot again...that's what could realistically happen.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-02-06 13:53

      Why. The Kings can't even play there way open into the CC. What will be their deepness. There cheque book. They will play a tired team, while not even good enough for CC and cause unnecessary injuries for that team. Than they have to buy that dropped team empty to be a slim contender. Stupid. Come Kings, show your steel in the CC and we can talk again. Don't be Cheeky now!

      Christopher - 2012-02-07 09:27

      That's what I posted on the Boots and All site on Facebook a while ago. The Kings don't deserve their spot but we're stuck with them for next year. Promotion/relegation match/es are the way forward as they are fair. If the Kings lose then they have no excuse anymore and if they win then good for them and the losing team can't complain!

  • Bootman - 2012-02-06 12:33

    Firstly............which of the teams currently playing in the S15 earned their place in the competition? I dont recall the Force or Rebels.............or any team for that matter having to qualify for the competition. Secondly.........The only almalgamation that would make sense, whould be that of the Lions and the Cheatahs as it was previously when they played as the Cats And Thirdly............since when does the one-eyed views of a half a dozen people constitute public opinion?

      Wimpie.Haefele - 2012-02-06 12:59

      Do some research how can 2 unions over 400km apart make it work, why do you think they split up? Bulls and Lions make more sense as they are 60km apart (And only SA province with 2 teams in the Super15). I still believe that EP should deserve it on merit and not because of political meddling.

      Gerald - 2012-02-06 13:04

      Force and Rebels came in as extra teams not as replacements. The season is long enough without having more teams in S15. Remember started off as Super 10 then Super12 and then S14 and now S15 What next Argentina,Fiji and Somoa joining in as well. Since you raised it since when does your view count in the big scheme of things

      Hanno - 2012-02-06 13:53

      All the teams earned their places since the Super Rugby started where the top 4 teams of each country went on to play Top10. The Force is now the 4th strongest team in Australia and the Rebels the 5th Strongest. The Kings are the 10th strongest team in SA. They do not deserve the honor.

      Kosie - 2012-02-06 13:56

      @ bootman 1stly: the force and the rebels did not come to Super rugby at the expense of another team, aus needed to make more teams to even out the fact that SA and Nz had five teams each. 2ndly: it only makes sense to put the top 5 currie cup teams in super sugby. 3rdly: it would make more sense to put griquas in super rugby because they are our 6th best team in the country. 4thly: kings can't even won 1st devision CC, they will get 70+ scores against them i.e saders, bulls, tah's, blues in fact every team in Super, even the rebels will give them a hiding.

      Christopher - 2012-02-07 09:29

      Are you mad? Why drive 400km for practise every so often?? The Bulls and Lions are far closer if you insist on merging 2 franchises. The Kings must play a promotion/relegation match and get kicked out after next year's competition. After that they can take on the last placed team until they earn their way in.

  • stevemoss4 - 2012-02-06 12:50

    merging is down right stupid and shouldnt even have been a thought. however relegation is a great idea as teams will start to play better.

  • Jan - 2012-02-06 12:59

    Let the 'Kings' first win the Vodacom Cup, then progress to the Currie Cup and become one of the top 8 teams and then make a relegation challenge to the bottom of the log team to gain entry to Super rugby. Anything else will be a farce. If they are allowed because of mr Watson's interferences at political levels, then we'll have to allow Boland, Griquas, Pumas, etc also to claim their spot. Why not create an international competition for losers with political agendas and let them have fub.

      Hendrik - 2012-02-06 13:51

      Have to agree Jan, they need to "earn" their place by virtue of results in domestic competitions. To shove them in there now makes no sense. It is already enough of an embarresment to S.A. rugby to usually have AT LEAST 2 of our teams at or near the bottom, we can not stand a 3rd contender for the wooden spoon.

  • Nico - 2012-02-06 13:07

    It is as simple as this, the "so-called" Kings, does not deserve a place in the Super Rugby Tournament. Why ? Because they should go through the ranks like all the other teams. First play Currie Cup First Division, end in the finals, at least, then play Currie Cup Premier Division, end in the play-offs, at least, and only maybe then, MAYBE, can they be considered to take part in the Super Tournament. Their A-side couldn't even beat the Bulls B-side this past weekend. Poor Sods !!!!!!

      Hanno - 2012-02-06 13:54

      Their A side could not even beat Boland in the 1st division final...

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-02-06 13:58


  • neille.groenewald - 2012-02-06 13:50

    to make our rugby strong we need the talent of all our players to be on show against top class opposition.let the Kings join the s15 , i say , but mark my words : it's going to be an embarrasment to SARU and all rugby fans in SA. as for the merging vs religation argument: bottom placed SA team plays the Kings home and away. if both win 1 each , then whoever scored the most tries gets to play the next season. oh, and by the way: to guys like brannas and bulldozer: us stormers supporters think that the bulls & lions merging is a ridiculous idea, because we understand rugby and love it to much to see something as stupid as that happen. SA rugby will suffer if it did and unlike you BB guys we shout our lungs out for the other SA teams in the s15 if they play overseas teams. that's what real SA rugby fans do !!!

      Shistirrer - 2012-02-06 14:11

      Neille, you hit the nail on the head. I respect the Bulls, always have. I just pity them for having supporters like Brannas, Bulldozer, Pieter etc, as well as a large proportion of the Loftus crowd. They deserve better.

  • tony.mckeever - 2012-02-06 13:58 is the answer to this conflict.

      Hanno - 2012-02-06 14:25

      And why exclude Boland from this mix? And what about the Pumas, why don't they get a chance? And Kimberley, they should also be included, they must also get a chance.

  • Hanno - 2012-02-06 14:07

    It's quite obvious what would happen. The Kings get a place, mahala, and the Lions, without any sponsorship from Mr Gumede will go out. Sorry to say. But then, while the Lions this year will be scraping together some money and sell advertising space on their exec's luxury vehicles, their players will be poached and contracted to (drum roll): the Kings. Which will leave us next year, with not the Kings playing, but the Lions, in Kings clothing....the Lions Kings... Oh, with captain armpits leading the way, Luke Watson.

      Shistirrer - 2012-02-06 14:18

      Lion Kings - it definitely has a nice ring to it :-)

      Shistirrer - 2012-02-06 14:47

      Blue, there's also a ring around Uranus.

      Hanno - 2012-02-06 15:12

      @Blue, problem if you include the Stormers players, half the King's won't have crowns #dentalplan

  • Michael Kleber - 2012-02-06 14:21

    I have to agree let the Kings become competitive in the currie cup and the top 5 teams in the currie cup play s15 everybody has an equal chance

  • henk.tait - 2012-02-06 14:29

    Let them play next year, when (not if, when) the kings are bottem of the log. play a regulation game with bottom SA team (and who ever was left out) then top 2 teams play super rugby. I would just love to see if the "loosing" team is Bulls or Sormers. Bet SARU have not thought about that. EP Kings supporters are NEW ZEELANDERS anyway, so who cares about them

      coolshoesouthafrica - 2012-02-06 15:02

      Henk, what are you going on about? New Zealand supporters?? You get that from watching the 7's?? If yes, then is that the first time you have watched the 7's leg? The NZ supporters are a bunch of idiots who PE dissapprove of 100% They are a disgrace to our country

      Heiku - 2012-02-06 15:16

      The fact that they exist (the island wanabes) means that you dont disapprove of them 100%. I mean to me it looks like they are just getting in peoples faces on purpose to try and piss them off.

      Brandewijn - 2012-02-06 15:59

      the same new zealand supporters sang the South African national anthem so loud you couldn't even hear the all blacks doing the haka on television. so if 2% of the population group in PE supports the All Blacks the whole of PE are regarded as New Zealanders. hmmmmm ... makes sence.... You obviously wheren't at the test in PE.

      Marius - 2012-02-07 21:21

      @ Henk. The handfull of AB supporters at the 7's were mostly guys from the Cape Flats here on holiday. Just look at Newlands when the Crusaders are playing there, then you see more Crusaders and All Bkack jerseys than Stormers jerseys in the crowd, so Cape Town is actually the hub of AB supporters in SA. You obviously also didn't see the big banner at the AB test in PE ast year which was held amongst a group of about 30 blacks in the crowd, saying "BLACKS LOVE THE SPRINGBOKS"

  • Raeez - 2012-02-06 14:47

    I bet if the Bulls happened to end up last in the SA Conf they WILL make sure theres a merge somewhere or add another team to the mix...

  • coolshoesouthafrica - 2012-02-06 14:58

    The last time the Southern Kings played they almost beat the British and Irish Lions. The team you are all referring to is the EP Kings who are only 1/3 of the franchside. WIth representitives from all 3 regions, the massive sponsorship that is coming the Southern Kings way, things will only get better. Leave politics out of this and let the EC enjoy some good rugby. But it seems most of you are still living in the Old SA days More forward and support the decision because the decision will not be overturned EC Rugby on the RISE

      Johan - 2012-02-06 15:13

      Mate the last time the Kings as is the team that will be going to Super rugby was 99% of EP so its fair to say the Kings are basically the EP Kings. The Last Time i checked all three these regions are in the Second Division and none of them have any silverware. Old SA really so what you are saying is everbody that feels that the five strongest teams in SA should play in super rugby is part of "apartheid", your'e just a nob mate. If the Kings play their way to being the 5th strongest team in SA nobody would care because they would deserve it, but the fact is they don't unfortunately for you everybody can see the scoreboard and in professional sport thats all that counts !!

      Heiku - 2012-02-06 15:14

      Actually it is you lot who are living in the past. These days the ANC dont care if you gatkruip they have everything already.

      Hanno - 2012-02-06 15:16

      It's cause of politics that EP Kings is getting a spot in the S15. We're not concerned that they will be included. The problem is that an established side that has outperformed EP in all rugby has to be excluded to have them in. Got nothing to do with Old vs New SA. It's just about what is right and what is wrong.

      coolshoesouthafrica - 2012-02-06 17:15

      Johan, what's making you so worked up? Worried the Lions, the whipping boys of the Super 15 will lose their identity and their crap stadium The only reason the Kings are being made up of manily EP players is due to no decision being made which would allow all 3 regions to make up the Southern Kings. Now that a decision has been finalised the 3 regions will sit together and start making plans. SARU have made the decision for SWD/EP/Border rugby to grow to it's potential. How do you expect the smaller unions to develop to their potential with no money to pay it's players. EP Rugby have been pushing hard for this and have been spending a large amount of money and now that a decision has been made it will benefit SWD/Border to Most of you are seeing this a political. You and others should chill out and point fingers in 2015 if the Southern Kings have no results and not produced a Bok or 2 Our Super Rugby cant get any worse so why not see if there is logic in this. When saying Old South Africa I was referring to the large amount of loud mouth idiots out there who dont want to see the EC prosper, This is a great decision by SARU but it should of been planned better with everything in place to keep all happy and let the EC be represented properly. Take a leaf out of Australian rugby and see what ACT and WF managed to do when given a chance. Maybe you should check your facts, EP were 1st division champions in 2010 but what do you know...To much brandy over the w-end?

      Steffen - 2012-02-06 22:07

      Hanno, you said they outperformed EP in all rugby... EP won u19 rugby in SA...they just dont have the money to keep the talent in the union. Soooo maybe, if SARU decided to PAy the EP Kings like they do all other unions then they would be able to perform better showing their talent, just a thought...

      Johan - 2012-02-07 09:19

      No mate your problem is you dont understand if you dont put in the hard yards you are going to get punsished and what is going to happen is your are going to take a bunch og probably talented guys throw the min way to deep and psycologically break them down untill they haave no confidence left and what happens to the players wil happen to the support and before you know it you have an entire province that has no more passion for the game. And lets not forget the sacrafice of one of the traditionally strong unions were the same will happen. so in essence my dear sir you are killing rugby in SA yet you guys seems to not care as long as you have your team. Greed is your game my man, not rugby!!

      Marius - 2012-02-07 21:41

      @ Johan. I would like to correct you on one point. The EP Kings actually do have some silverware in the cupboard . They are the current IRB Nations Cup champions after they won the 2011 tournament in Rumania where they have won all their matches . They beat Georgia 31-17 in their opening game. In the World Cup Georgia lost by only 15-7 against Scotland who in turn beat the Springboks only 10 months earlier.

  • Robyn - 2012-02-06 15:03

    Let the Kings dominate the local season and then see how to accommodate them, otherwise is will be a fast tract to failure and more embarrassing situations, with Cheeky putting his well worn oar in and disrupting the norm. Cheeky should forget the struggle and relies that the strongest play the game and politics and the rest stay off of the field. Gerald

      coolshoesouthafrica - 2012-02-06 15:17

      Hello Robyn, without Cheeky EC rugby would be where they were 4 years ago. No money and players sleeping in the EP Rugby offices. He is doing wonders with his goal for the EC Rugby to have a team participating in the BIG league. The Southern Kings somehow need to be able to play more games together to improve and show the rest of the country that they are moving in the right direction A decision should of been made 2 years ago but as usual SA Rugby has messed things up for all those involved.

  • alfred.selman - 2012-02-06 15:28

    they will not get a bigger hiding than the lions are currently gettin. The fact is they will buy players, most of which will come from the relegated team. so that talent will not be lost to sa rugby. it does not matter who is in the first team, the fact is that there will be an eastern cape team that is in the s15 mix, therefore it will encourage young talent to stay in the province rather than leave. we need to spread and develop rugby. sometimes, this process cannot just happen naturally ep is a target area for sa rugby growth, so lets put our energy into it they have the talent and the facilities. in other words do not be so short sighted, they have way more POTENTIAL than griquas or boland, despite where these teams are in the cc log currently. so many players get lost in the system at bigger franchises so lets get these guys into the mix, so we can really have patforms to develop and display our young talent. playing s15 is not a privallege, now sa teams will have to earn their spot to be there, since earning it seems to be such a hot theme in this forum. go kings!

      Johan - 2012-02-06 16:04

      Dude go take your medication!!!

      coolshoesouthafrica - 2012-02-06 16:54

      We said Alfred, Johan I think you need to take yours

      Vincent - 2012-02-06 19:03

      So let the Kings go and earn it!!! Wake up idiot

      Brandewijn - 2012-02-07 15:02

      I agree with alfred. Well said

  • Vernon - 2012-02-06 16:06

    Everyone who is anti-Kings in missing the point completely - now that the Kings have a definite place they can go about securing a sponsor as well as signing the players capable of making the Kings a winning team in Super 14 , plus carrying on their rugby development program - something no other Super franchise does - they rather buy EP players

  • Vernon - 2012-02-06 16:10

    Everyone who is anti-Kings are missing the point completely . Now that the Kings have a confirmed place in the Super they can sign up a sponsor plus contract players who will assist them in becoming a powerhouse of Super rugby while still carrying on their rugby development program , which no other Super franchise is doing adequately enough - they rather buy EP players .... and for those with short memories , remember Natal were in the B-section of Currie Cup and could not win it so they got a free pass to the A-section and with right sponsorship are a force today. History will repeat itself with the Kings - so pasop !!

  • Marius - 2012-02-06 16:11

    This poll means absolutely nothing as everyone outside the geographic are of the Kings have obviously voted against their paticipation, because their own side might be the one that gets demoted even if they don't deserve to be there either after years of failure in Super rugby.

      Bootman - 2012-02-06 17:42

      Marius not everyone outside the eastern cape is against this. I, for one, support this 100%. The main reason for people being against this is simple, race. They feel that black players from the EC will prosper if this happens and we cant have that, now can we. If you look closely you will see that most of the comments are about Cheeky Watson and the ANC. My view is this. If a rugby hungry region in SA can go forward by including them in the S15, why not. If this is what Cheeky and the ANC are doing then maybe they're not that bad afterall.

      Marius - 2012-02-07 22:01

      @Bootman I have lived in PE all my life and have followed EP rugby since I was a 10 y/o schoolboy and Cheeky is s actually the saviour of EP rugby. Taking it from a union that was over R4 mil in the red to actually showing a profit last year. The previous management was voted in every year by the over 90 clubs in the coloured and black communities of which some clubs could not even field one team in any division in club rugby, but still had their delegates votes in the election of office bearers. Then the EP coffers were bled dry over the years , with money being channeled to these clubs, just to make sure of their votes in the following year's elections. Unfortunately for WP, I see the signs of the same things starting to happen there .

  • Danie - 2012-02-06 16:28

    Just one thing I want to know,say they replace any of the teams in SA with The Kings,I heard that the Kings then want the top players from the team that was dropped out to help them out??? wtf??? If they want to play in the Super 15 do it,but with their own players,SA Rugby is moes moering all their money into this politically supported team,the have "47%" of rugby players there,develope them then!!!

      coolshoesouthafrica - 2012-02-06 16:48

      quite a decent % of the other teams in Super Rugby players come from the EC so why not get them back home? If they all came home they would be a major force

      Hugh - 2012-02-06 16:51

      Its a Cheeky Watson deal, applying pressure through his ANC connections. Not to mention that putts Solomons who fired Jake white from the Bok coaching team, sighting he was nothing but a video editor. Ouch.

      Bootman - 2012-02-06 17:44

      Hugh what does Alan Solomons and Jake White have to do with this? Trying to show everyone you've read Jakes book?

      Brandewijn - 2012-02-07 15:00

      Danie, who is your source regarding the Kings wanting the players from the unoin who falls out. I have not read that anywhere (and I read a few sights). It might happen naturely as players want to move and get signed. But not in the way that you are insinuating that the union could be forced to place the players on loan to the kings.

  • Shaun - 2012-02-06 20:57

    Hi to all Y must the lions get dropped for the kings. The kings should prove themselves in the curry cup A section. The players complain of to much rugby so now we want to add another team who is going to make us a laughing stock of world rugby. Think people think. If u want 16 teams break it than in to a super league of Top 8 teams and than a League side of the bottom with promotion/reglation at the end

  • Steffen - 2012-02-06 22:03

    Iv read nearly all the comments here and everyone hating on the EP Kings :) ever thought why they arnt good enough?? maybe if SARU paid them even half of what they pay the other unions then they would be able to keep their talent in the province. u/19 EP won 2011.......hmmm lets bet that half those stars will move on to other unions because SARU doesnt Pay EP kings...Let them get sponsors and some capital and maybe, just maybe everyone can realise that EP has all the talent just not the right management :) give them money, lets see what they can do...

      Champ - 2012-02-07 14:16

      What did EP u/19 win? Surely not CC u/19?

  • Matt Prinsloo - 2012-02-06 22:07

    If 828 (46percent) out of the 1800 people interviewed, are at least favourable to the Kings playing Super Rugby in one way or another... Are they really struggling to get the public nod mr author?

  • Ken - 2012-02-06 22:34

    There are only three Kings.........DrinKING, SmoKING and F#cKING!!!!

  • Tertius - 2012-02-07 09:00

    Almal vergeet dat Natal vir jare nooit hulle promosie-purgasie games teen Noord-Vrystaat kon wen om in die A-Afdeling van die Curriebeker te speel nie. Ou Lewies Luyt het toe maar uiteindelik Noord-Vrystaat betaal om B-Afdeling toe te gaan, sodat hy ordentlike rugby kon gan kyk as hy op vakansie gaan in Ballito. Kyk hoe het die Sharks daarna van krag tot krag gegaan. Wie sê dieselfde kan nie met die Oos-Kaap gebeur nie? Synde dat die Lions nou bankrot is, kan hulle nie ook maar betaal word om vir 'n rukkie uit te sit nie? Die spul Joiners en Hensoppers daar kan mos maar vir die Bulle skree vir die volgende paar jaar.

  • Johan - 2012-02-07 12:27

    Maybe it is bad taste of me and I am Lion...yes we struggle and are last...but most of our players where also bought in the last couple of years....the Cheetahs lost all their star players (star players meaning boks and above the average talent) but they still manage to be a force to be reckon with in SA and stay in the top teams.....if the Lions are out I don't know who I willl support in all honestly and maybe will lose interest. I also think I have a problem of how the Kings get their spot....becuase they one in 2010 the 2nd league currie cup...and they should rahter win the Pumas or the Leopards to get a spot in the 1st division and work them selves up! Players play for a strong franchise....hence the Lions and Cheetahs loose their players.....if I am a star player (which I am definately not) I don't know whether I would play for a franchise that are now where....I would want to play for one that is on the map! So goodluck to the cheecky kings and to the Lions or Cheetahs who is going to make space for you!

  • Lutho - 2012-02-07 13:05


      Champ - 2012-02-07 14:23

      Lutho, 3 things 1) regardless what you say, it WAS a political decision 2) you mention fair and honest: what about making it fair and honest ON MERIT into Superrugby? 3) No one dispute the benefits of having rugby in the EC. but why should it be at the expense of another? The gain for EP can not be the loss for somebody else if not on merit.

  • Glenn - 2012-02-07 13:20

    The Kings are incapable of really competing in the Vidacom Cup or the Premier Division of the Curry Cup. It is beyond me that SA Rugby would force the issue of having them compete in the Super Rugby Tournament. Just another SA Team to beat the whipping boys of the other teams

      coolshoesouthafrica - 2012-02-08 13:42

      that the EP Kings or Southern Kings? They won it in 2010 and were runners up last year with a pretty average squad

  • Blip - 2012-02-07 21:33

    Eastern Cape are rubbish at rugby. Basil Kenyon's 1950s Border team was the last to win any trophy.

      coolshoesouthafrica - 2012-02-08 13:43

      Ja Blip, sure you know what you are speaking about. Do you know any players who play in the CC who are from the EC?

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