Kings fighting for SARU leeway

2013-01-17 08:28

Cape Town - The Southern Kings are still hoping the SA Rugby Union (SARU) will give them permission to field more than the allowed number of overseas players in Super Rugby.

The Eastern Cape franchise signed five overseas players - three more than what is allowed - in the hope than SARU will give them some leeway. They will play in the Super Rugby competition this year at the expense of the Johannesburg-based Lions.

Kings president Cheeky Watson is confident that they will be allowed to field more overseas players than the four other South African franchises.

"All that I am willing to say is that we are still busy talking to various role players," he told Die Burger's website.

SARU insisted at the end of last year that there was "no change to the status quo" of only two foreign players allowed in local Super Rugby squads.

The five overseas players contracted are fullback Hadleigh Parkes, scrumhalf Nicolas Vergallo, utility forward Daniel Adongo, hooker Virgil Lacombe and loose forward Tomas Leonardi. They were all recently included when the Kings announced their Super Rugby squad. However, should SARU not give in to the Kings' commands, three of them will have to be left out and possibly demoted to the EP Kings' Vodacom Cup side.

The Kings start their Super campaign at home against Australia's Force on February 23.

Southern Kings' Super Rugby squad:

Boetie Britz, Rynier Bernardo, David Bullbring, Kevin Buys, Cornell du Preez, Jacques Engelbrecht, Jaco Engels, Schalk Ferreira, Ross Geldenhuys, Lizo Gqoboka, Virgil Lacombe, Tomas Leonardi, Bandise Maku, Edgar Marutlulle, Mpho Mbiyozo, Darron Nell, Daniel Adongo, Devin Oosthuizen, Steven Sykes, Wimpie van der Walt, Luke Watson (captain)

Demetri Catrakilis, Ronnie Cooke, Wesley Dunlop, Siyanda Grey, Johan Herbst, Michael Killian, SP Marais, Scott Mathie, Waylon Murray, Hadleigh Parkes, Sergeal Petersen, Marcello Sampson, Shakes Soyizwapi, Wayne Stevens, Andries Strauss, Elrich van Vuuren, Shaun Venter, Nicolas Vergallo, George Whitehead

HAVE YOUR SAY: Should SARU give in and allow the Kings more overseas players? Will it enhance their chances in their debut Super Rugby season? Send your thoughts to Sport24.


  • andile.nokhetshe - 2013-01-17 08:36

    Quickly just before the anti Kings/ EP brigate arrives let me wish the Kings all the best.

      frankgerald - 2013-01-17 09:02

      Hey Andile, the anti Kings/EP brigate will never stop, they are way to pathetic for that. They are so desperate that they will sit day in & day out behind their computers or laptops waiting for any article/update on the Kings just to write something bad just to make them feel better because their pathetic Lions is booted out of Super rugby. This article is not about the Lions, so why are they even reading the articles about the Kings if they hate Cheeky Watson & the Kings so much. Lets just ignore the sulking,crying babies Kings and Cheeky Watson haters-fan club as I said before,they are just not worth it.

      npretorius2 - 2013-01-17 09:07

      I will be supporting them till the end!!

      braam.groenewald.39 - 2013-01-17 09:08

      just like his friends in the ANC... We demand, We demand, We demand.....

      bloudaan.blou - 2013-01-17 09:10

      Embarrassing SA before there first Super game. A bunch of clowns.......!!!!

      frankgerald - 2013-01-17 09:13

      Me too, I will support the Southern Kings to the end no matter what they say about the Kings!

      chez.kri - 2013-01-17 09:21

      @andile. Support them all you want but they begged and used political influence to get in and now they are on their knees again, begging for foreign players. Explain FRANKGERALD why Cheeky begged for the Kings to be included, promising to use non-white players to further the cause but now he's trying to get not only white players but foreign ones too??? Never mind NPRETORIUS2, then end will come whehn they lose the relegation games.

      JacquesClaassen - 2013-01-17 09:22

      @ andile.nokhetshe & frankgerald Let met put things in perspective for you, the so called 'Anti Kings Brigade' are not all Lions supporters. I'm a Bulls supporter and in my circle of friends we have Sharks, Cheetahs, Stormers, Lions and Bulls supporters and not one of us believes that what happened to the Lions was the fair. Look at what the Cheetahs did to the Kings in the relegation matches, what do you think is going to happen in Supper Rugby. At least the Cheetahs had a relegation match. But who cares, the Kings will flop and the Lions will kick them out when they finally have revenge at the end of the season, so you go and support your Kings, next year it's back to Vodacup for you.

      JacquesClaassen - 2013-01-17 09:27

      @ andile.nokhetshe & frankgerald Not to mention that the so called developmental team for Africans are fielding more whites than any other them, and now the cherry the want more foreign based players. if this was fair, the top five teams in the Curry Cup would be in Supper Rugby, not some useless team that struggled for the last 20-years to win it's first cup in the B-Division. You have to EARN your spot, but then again with backing from the ANC...

      DuToitCoetzee - 2013-01-17 09:33

      I am glad you two support them. You deserve each other. Just for interest. The people do not dislike the Kings. They dislike the unfair way they obtain the right and now even ignore their own argument why they had to obtain the right. This is a slap in the face to players of colour in that province.

      freddie.miff - 2013-01-17 09:42

      @fankgerald... the anti kings brigade is not made up solely of disgruntled Lions fans. I am an avid Sharks fan, but I dislike the way the kings manipulated their way into Super Rugby, and now they are trying to manipulate the rules again, despite getting in on the disadvantaged players ticket, they want more foreign players than the other local teams?? Come on, this is pure Watson lies and political manipulation. If I even watch a kings game it will only be to see them get a hiding.

      frank.grootboom - 2013-01-17 09:56

      Girls you can stop with the bad comments now, you know what we don't really care what you say anymore and we don't taken it to heart at all. Jacques we no that you are all not pathetic Lions supporters thats why Andile refers to you as anti Kings/EP brigate and I refers to some of girls as the "sulking,crying babies, Kings and Cheeky Watson haters-fan club. Yes some of us will support The Southern Kings (Super rugby) and the Kings (Vodacom - PE rugby side) hope that some of you will see that the is a difference between the two sides. That is why the Cheetahs could beat a Vodacom side in the Curry Cup pro/regulation matches. However the bad news for the Lions is (if The Southern Kings end last in the SA - conference) it will be a totally different team and ball-game. I like fairness in all sports that is why I said in my other comment here that I don't agree with Cheeky on this one to have more overseas players then the other franchises. There is however more then enough black players in this squad I think 10 or more, just look at the current Lions squad with I think Only 1 black player. The other fact is most of our talented black E/Cape players like, Kolisi,Mvovo,Basson,Ndungwanes ect not discounting all the others like Keegan,Kanskowski, J Potgieter ect,is playing for other franchises. This will allow us from now onwards to keep our own black players.

      andile.nokhetshe - 2013-01-17 12:25

      As expected the Anti Kings/EP brigade has arrived. Have fun and goodbye for now!

      werner.nel.984786 - 2013-01-17 13:23

      Since we must bend the rules for them why don't we ask that they get 6 points for a try too. I mean rules are meant to be bent aren't they?

  • rowan.maulson - 2013-01-17 08:45

    Cheeky my boy... You are not special.. you don't deserve special treatment... your "rugby team" doesn't actually deserve to be in the Super Rugby tournament... they will last all of 1 year and be replaced by the more deserving Lions team again.

      brian.dureuck - 2013-01-17 08:57

      who are the Lions? no sponsors, no players no money no telkom lines no nothing.... good luck in beating the Kings in the relegations matches - it wont happen

      wehan.victor - 2013-01-17 09:20

      Brian The Lions(Tranvaal) won the First Super Rugby competition in 1993, when it was still the Super 10. It would have been great if you guys ACTUALLY played relegation matches. Who are the Kings should be your question.

      chez.kri - 2013-01-17 09:24

      @brian. What rubbish are you talking about "no telkom lines, no sponsors"? have you not seen that there game4s start this weekend - with sponsors. I phoned asking about tickets etc. and spoke to someone on a telkom line. Lets see how much talking you do when the kings are out again next year. Or even just write in here after their first game against the Force.

      justin.sly.77 - 2013-01-17 10:26

      @brian, keep dreaming mate, your delusional.

      nick.logan.773 - 2013-01-17 11:40

      The Lions ended LAST in super rugby for the past 10years. So The Kings should also get 10 years to prove themselves. That will be fair. The Lions never had to play to get super rugby status, so why do they deserve to be there? The whole Lions organisation is pathetic and a bunch of amateurs.

      carl.debeer.52 - 2013-01-17 12:14

      Cheeky can suck SARU knob. Kings are my NEW Australia and I will be supporting any team that plays them as long as Cheeky and his a-hole son have anything to do with the team!

      sportmal.legrangemarais - 2013-01-17 13:39

      @nick How dare you even call for fair action when your own team wasn't even fairly promoted in the first place. Furthermore how is this fair toward the other teams who may only contract 2 foreign players? How is it fair toward the local young black players who were promised so much by your "fearless" leader Mr Watson, but now when the time comes he would rather have some imported no-names in his squad. You can ask for a lot, but don't ask for fairness when you don't deserve an inch of it. Oh and by the way the Lions weren't last for 10 years, 2006, 2007, 2009 & 2011 all years in which they didn't finish in last place, so get your facts straight.

      nick.logan.773 - 2013-01-17 15:21

      @sportmal.legrangemarais Was the Lions ever fairly promoted in the first place? No, they received super rugby status, they didnt earn it. So why do the Kings need to earn their place? The Kings should not be treated differently than the Lions. Thats my whole point. Just give them the same nr of years in Super rugby that the Lions had.

      wehan.victor - 2013-01-17 15:47

      @Nick The Lions gained Super Rugby status when they won it first time out in '93. Beat that.

      james.sleigh.1 - 2013-01-17 16:14

      @nick, the lions may have been on the bottom of the log for 10 yrs but some how qualified for the Currie cup, and even won a few. Where were the kings??? Seriously wake up. Do you want an automatic promotion to the premier league now? Your beloved Watshisname is an insult to SA Rugby not to mention his lack of developing black players which was his apparent mission and what he insulted all other unions for.

  • utopian.idealist - 2013-01-17 08:47

    I thought the Eastern Cape desperately needed a franchise in super rugby because they have local talent that is not being given an opportunity to showcase their skills. In reality it is only about Mr Watson lining his pockets and embarrassing South Africans at the same time.

      chez.kri - 2013-01-17 09:24

      @utopian. Exactly!

      adrian.snyman.16 - 2013-01-17 11:53

      And helping his Son - let's not forget that ...

      krish.naidoo.376 - 2013-01-18 11:37

      That is rubbish. Kings have to field a decent squad upfront and blood in youngsters as time goes. The problems is that whites in this country are afraid that once the true potential of non white players is revaeled there will b no place for them on the starting 15 for the Boks.

  • athi.ntisana - 2013-01-17 08:47

    good luck to the KINGS!!!!!!!

  • brian.dureuck - 2013-01-17 08:47

    EP KINGS ON THE RISE!!!!!! in 3 or 4 years time all the young black & white players will stay in PE ... and not go to the Sharks or Bulls .... very few of the Sharks (Grey Bloem Old Boys) players are local! and 5 or 6 old EP Craven players @ the Bulls .... Kings had to start somewhere to build a team, SARU only announced the Super 15 status late in July ....

      gary.doyle.520 - 2013-01-17 08:59

      Professional sports you chop. Sharks academy moulds raw talent on and off the field that would've gone unseen in a place like the ep.

      chez.kri - 2013-01-17 09:26

      @brian. How will they stay in PE when they won't get a chance to play - what with all the foreign players. The locals will have no choice but to leave PE

      aldo.dunn1 - 2013-01-17 09:30

      I would rather the Kings lose using young local development players & setting up an academy than bring in overseas players. They were given this chance in S15 on the development ticket. If Cheeky had any real aspirations for EP Rugby he would be running an academy not BUYING overseas players. Spend the money where it was meant for,

      freddie.miff - 2013-01-17 09:56

      Waylon Murray is in the kings squad, he is a Westville Boys High old boy, pure sharks development, so why do the kings need him if they have so much talent?? All teams buy from other regions, and lose players to others as well. Grow up, it is the professional era and the 21st century.

      matt.prinsloo.1 - 2013-01-17 10:50

      @aldo. The Kings have an Academy already. And quite a few local youngsters have been signed up by the Academy. Remember thought that without SR, all the players from the Academy will simply be bought by other franchises. We train tehm, they gain them. We need to perform this year, if we dont, we're out. Can't use 2013 for development. However, if you look at the Kings squad, 17 of them are local EC guys. Promising players (of all races) are already getting a chance at the big time... Siviwe Soyizwapi, Sergeal Petersen, Siyanda Grey, Lizo Gqoboka. 4 young black players coming through the ranks already, and this is our 1st season!! And add to them Mbiyozo and Maku and we are well presented by local black players, bearing in mind it"s our 1st season

      simon.whittaker.923 - 2013-01-17 13:16

      Brian.dereuk...."SARU only announced the Super 15 status late in July ...." That is absolute rubbish. Luke Watson announced he was leaving Bath in 2010 to go lead the Southern Kings into the S15. At the same time Cheeky was spouting about how many top players were already on pre-contract agreements to join the SKs. It is only now that it is a reality that the gullible EC populace has woken up and are swallowing all Cheeky's disinformation. Cheeky was only interested in the R50m payout that was mooted if the SKs were not granted admission. He expected this and therefore did nothing and now he is grovel lying and looking for further preferential per usual.

  • franklyn.davies.1 - 2013-01-17 08:48

    more concessions...eish,you guys wanted to play with the big boys...time to put up with what you have-you guys reckoned you could do better than the Lions,lets see ! (no record beatings please).

  • frank.grootboom - 2013-01-17 08:49

    I'm a Southern Kings supporter over and over but asking SARU to change the rules to accomadate three extra overseas players is a disadvantage to the other already established franchises. The squad looks good enough and if three has to play in the Vodacom Cup team, so be it.

  • nils.vonahlften - 2013-01-17 08:50

    so much for development of eastern cape rugby players...

  • larysa.narozny - 2013-01-17 08:50

    Cheeky Watson & the Kings are NOT special - hopefully SARU stands their ground & sticks to the rules - otherwise all other Super Rugby teams should then be able to do the same thing.

  • lesbeen - 2013-01-17 08:51

    The bloody arrogance of the man... He is showing no regard for SARU and their rules! He is holding SARU at ransom by employing 5 foreign players when he knows very well that it is not permitted.. This is the start of anarchy in SA rugby, if SARU allows the tail to wag the dog! I see the danger signs...

  • peter.vanzyl.948 - 2013-01-17 08:51

    Too late mate, we have arrived! All the best? In what? Bending the rules. Go for a walk along your beach front, and let the notorious P.E. wind clear that mind of yours of the "smoke" that's obscuring your vision, and clouding your judgement! You will be back in the wilderness after this years Super Rugby, even if cheeks does succeed in "twisting SARU's useless arm, and bending their pathetic ears!.

  • brian.dureuck - 2013-01-17 08:53

    EP KINGS song : Op die kaapse stasie, staan Habana se meisie, met 'n seuntjie van so 2 jaar wat nog suig nog aan haar bors. Loop 'n King verby die stasie en die seuntjie van die moeder vra toe wie die King is! ... Se die moeder vir haar seuntjie : Daai is die moordenaar van jou vader en die vader van jou broer ..... DOOIE D0NNER, DOOIE BLIKS3M, se die seuntjie vir sy ma ... as ek eendag, eendag GROOT is, wil ek ook 'n EP KING wees!!!!!!

      wehan.victor - 2013-01-17 09:17

      Dude, is it supposed to be funny, I can't tell.

      freddie.miff - 2013-01-17 10:01

      That is an old artillery song, which you have poorly corrupted and made an insult to all gunners and bombardiers.

  • Hanjo.0 - 2013-01-17 08:55

    This is sickening, the Rebels were allowed 10 foreign players in their first season, the Force are allowed 3 foreign players in 2013 and yet the Kings are only allowed 2? In what world does this make sense - considering the Kings are in their very first season.

      bloudaan.blou - 2013-01-17 09:17

      @Hanjo Dink mooi Hanjo, dink mooi, dan sal jy verstaan......!!!!!! As die Kings ondersteuners nie die klein dingetjies verstaan nie, wat van die grootes wat nog voor le????/

      JohannP - 2013-01-17 09:18

      Rebels had lee way as Australia does not have the player pool tjat SA has. Australia has not equivalent to Vodacom or Currie Cups. They only play club level. The brains behind the rebels never made it politcal either to justify their inlcusion. Their pitch for thr Kings was to improve Eastern Cape rugby, through local talent. And yes I agree 2 years would have been more fair, but what would happen when they get knocked out after those 2 years? Would you have asked for 3? The Lions have now made this an oppurtunity to give their guys expore to different styles of rugby, and believe me, the Lions will after next years's season not end up at the bottom of the SA log again.

      Hanjo - 2013-01-17 09:26

      ek's nie n kings ondersteuner nie Daan. Ek is n neutral in die situasie en ek is net nie suur teenoor die kings nie, ek is net objective. wat kan moontlik veroorsaak dat die span nie die voordele mag kry wat ander spanne in hulle eerste seisoene gegun was nie. en as jy die 'development' issue wil raise. dalk moet jy mooi dink. geen span kan in hulle eerste seisoen met n developmental span opdaag en verwag om enige sukses te he nie, en as jy dink die Kings of enige span sal sukses(en die possibility om weer volgende jaar Super rugby te speel) verruil vir development. - is jy erg naive.

      Hanjo - 2013-01-17 09:32

      Johann, I never mentioned how many years they were given, but they have one, that means success in 2013 is their primary goal(surely) - so obviously development can't be placed ahead of success? Rugby will develop in EC with the super rugby inclusion, the Kings have also created a rugby academy since their initial application to Super Rugby. They are already developing rugby in the EC. however like I said to Daan, only the truly naive would have expected them to field a developmental side in their first game/season. - they needed to buy experience and quality top flight players to give them a chance of finishing anything but bottom of the SA conference and the opportunity of playing Super Rugby again in 2014. Also keep in mind, the Kings found out about their inclusion in August 2012. That's no more than 6 months ago. - were they suppose to develop in these 6 months or were they suppose to develop players prior to the 6 months, only to have them possibly playing vodacom cup?

      wehan.victor - 2013-01-17 09:34

      Hanjo Ek verstaan wat jy probeer sê, maar Super Rugby is nie die plek vir ontwikkeling nie, daar is Vodacom cup en Curry cup vir daai doeleindes. Super Rugby is daar vir ontwikkelde spanne om hul staal te wys. Verder verdien die Leeus 'n kans om weer aan Super Rugby deel te neem deur relegasie van 'n swakker span.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2013-01-17 09:44

      Ok Hanjo. I get it,......but why than not develop to reach the CC 1st? Why jump the gun? You remember crawl, walk and than run? Please do not tell me they 1st need money and exposure. Look at Pumas and Griekwas in CC. You can say that some of those players play in the Super rugby, but so will King's players...if they are good enough.

      Hanjo - 2013-01-17 09:47

      Wehan, dis presies wat ek gese het. ons kan nie verwag dat hulle moet ontwikkel op super rugby vlak nie, dis hoekom hulle spelers moet koop wat reeds ervaring het. - bly jy stem saam.

      Hanjo - 2013-01-17 10:02

      DuToit, the Currie Cup has been limited to 6 teams, if it was still at 8 participating teams, I would have agreed. The Kings have also developed in terms of what you are suggesting. they consistently finish in the top two of the First division, they played against the Cheetahs in their promotion relegation match but unfortunately lost. - if it was at 8 teams, they would have faced the Pumas or Leopards most likely and would've had a genuine chance of joining the premier division. I also think one can't deny the influence the money and added sponsors just the promise of Super rugby(and later the confirmation) has given them. they've been able to add international quality players to their squad. One should also remember the Kings are a combination of SWD, Border and EP Kings. - this is therefor in theory the combination of three provinces, like the cheetahs are technically FS cheetahs and Griquas. I think it is key that this region also gets super rugby exposure. I don't think the Kings can be blamed for their inclusion at the expense of the Lions, they competed against the Rebels for the 15th spot and many claimed they had a better bid, SANZAR preferred to make it 5 teams from each country, and the Kings lost out, SARU promised them a spot(this is where the screw up started) , SARU made a promise they couldn't keep. as they broadcasting rights for the super 15 was sold up until 2016(I think) already, so the format couldn't be changed until then.

      Hanjo - 2013-01-17 10:07

      continues - this resulted in SARU looking for ways to include the Kings, their only option was having the Kings replace the lowest SA team, which happened to be the Lions. some claim a promotion/relegation match should have taken place. but lets be honest, how would a team who plays vodacom cup compete against a super rugby franchise team, without the same funds, player resources, and experience. - anyone who thinks this would've been fair isn't being objective. Unfortunately every Lions supporter now hates the Kings and most 'neutrals' aren't too fond of them either. unfortunately you are right, the added funds, the tag 'super rugby participant', etc. does attract better players. I would have loved to see what the Kings could look like after a couple of years in super rugby. remember that there would be an obvious hesitance from players to sign with them, knowing their inclusion is only temporary.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2013-01-17 10:47

      Hanjo. Once again I get your point. Just remember that there was a reason for 6 CC teams and the Kings did not qualified. It was a joke with the different level of standards, if you remember, when more teams were in it. We all love the region and there passion for the game. We all also want to develop that massive amount of players/potential players. The more options the national team can pick from the better. What bothers everyone is the way it was obtain while all know that they are not in the CC. When building a team/region one needs to do it steps wise and SA rugby should have 1st helped to develop the region to full strength and not hope that it will come over time when thrown in the deep side. In lower and in CC one can develop more players and in more positions. Do not be surprise in a year or two if they sit with the same problem FS sits with. A union that feeds other unions. The wider the footprint the stronger and higher you can built. Yes agree. SARU started this problem. In respect of politics. They should have concentrated more on unions, where potential is, by assisting them even more to clime the leader. I belief it was also difficult for SARU because of financial "irregularities". I belief there was even some gossip, again. before they received the rights, but that this tournament can save them. I presume that is what money is doing. Leaving the weaker behind ;)

      DuToitCoetzee - 2013-01-17 10:56

      Hanjo. O yes, this Lions match series, that is now on the board, would have done the Kings good. It would have been a better solution to start with, but SARU was not thinking so far and or the sponsors have more trust in the Lions than the Kings. That should tell its own story. Well the Kings is now in the running and for the players and SA rugby I hope they reach some success.

      Hanjo - 2013-01-17 11:06

      DuTout, you might be right about the challenge series as a good idea for the Kings (if they weren't included in Super Rugby) - Just have to remind you that they were playing in the Nations Cup each year, and won it in 2011 if I'm not mistaking.

      dewald.botha.50 - 2013-01-17 11:11

      Hanjo, S15 is not there for development!!!!!!!! It is the pride of SA!!!!! If you want to develop do it in the Vodacom cup.

      Hanjo - 2013-01-17 13:20

      Exactly Dewald, that's why they are buying. make up your mind. you can't have it both ways. they're not allowed to buy and not allowed to develop either.

      simon.whittaker.923 - 2013-01-17 15:03

      Hanjo, the Rebels are not a South African franchise and therefore not subject to the rules SARU lay down. The Southern Kings are and Cheeky knew the rules when he started. They haven't changed since 2010 when all this started. He has done this his whole life and because he has always gotten away with it, his way is to ride roughshod over the whole process and then cry foul when it doesn't go his way!

  • cornel.coote - 2013-01-17 08:56

    I thought their inclusion in Super Rugby was because they were the province with the development of local talent and this needed to be promoted. What has happened Cheeky?? Have you realized that your local talent is not going to hack it. Super Rugby is for real rugby teams and not political agendas, the only reason you are there is because you are politically well connected and for your role as an anti apartheid activist, bow out gracefully and let the Lions resume their rightful place in Super Rugby. Go back to the township leagues and we will talk to you again in let's say 156 years??

      brian.dureuck - 2013-01-17 09:05

      only you dumb fools fell for the trick ... we don't care about local development at the moment ... sucker!

      matt.prinsloo.1 - 2013-01-17 16:12

      lmga. agnee rerig nou. Cornel - praat sin man!!

  • darryl.maze1 - 2013-01-17 08:58

    Ur pathetic Watson. Why must you be allowed to field more overseas players. Your whole idea was to make EP kings all local players. You got your way after kicking and screaming to get your team into the super 15 even though your team got thrashed by the lions and the cheetahs. You were all about local players and now you want more overseas player. Tough luck, play with what you've got. You are gonna get slaughtered in the super 15 and the lions will be put back in. I wonder how many bribes it took to get your team into the super 15.

      michael.tetley.35 - 2013-01-17 09:19

      Agreed. He's in the big leagues now and must take it on the chin, like a big boy. Crybaby.

  • andrew.d.adams.1 - 2013-01-17 08:58

    I know I'll cop a lot of flack for this but the fairest process would have been to guarantee the Kings two years of super rugby and let the 2nd to last SA team play the lions this year. I have no doubt that SA will soon have 6 super rugby sides so SARU should do all they can to build up the Kings.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2013-01-17 09:46

      Maybe when the Kings deserve a place in CC.

  • marc.moon.10 - 2013-01-17 09:01

    another SARU farce. cant wait to see the kings of failure have an epic season of total uselessness. an absolute disgrace, what happened to these guys being for the development of local talent in South Africa, particularly the eastern cape? now they have more foreign based players than anyone. an absolute farce.

      brian.dureuck - 2013-01-17 09:07

      so you'll be supporting the foreign teams? which means you're like those Newlands all Blacks? how low can you go?

      freddie.miff - 2013-01-17 10:04

      Brian, no matter how low we go, the Watsons will always be lower.

  • john.thelps - 2013-01-17 09:11

    What happened to all the locals ( Read: Ethnic, Indigenous players who are left out because of the white racist at the top) you were bragging about? You are a fighter of apartheid so prove to us that you can do better with LOCAL players. Same as your friends from the PFP party who all left for Perth when they got what they wanted; you now realize we need each other white and black. We complement each other.\ what i can't do you can and what you can't do I can.

  • gerhard.vanniekerk.948 - 2013-01-17 09:15

    Why are the Kings on about transformation this and tranformation that? Then they want more international players? The same rules should apply for all teams, what makes them so special? Local is lekker!! SHARKS FOREVER!!

      matt.prinsloo.1 - 2013-01-18 07:50

      same rules for all teams? please remind us how your beloved Sharks got into the CC.

  • travis.w.morris - 2013-01-17 09:17

    What a joke, This team was supposed to be for the talent that there supposedly is in the EP and to give "previously disadvantaged players" the chance to shine. Now want a third of the on field team to consist of "non South african" players. Buch of F87king idiots. Hope they dont change the rules for you and you get relegated ofter the 1st year.

  • mark.dennill - 2013-01-17 09:21

    Why is it that old cheeky and his nitwit son think that they are above the law, the rules were set in place and that is how everyone plays. now all of a sudden the field must be more level for the kings than any other team. I am sorry to say this as a south african rugby fan I REALLY HOPE THAT THE KINGS GET BEATEN SO BADLY THAT THEY GO AND TRY NETBALL OR SOMETHING!!!

      Fishlus - 2013-01-17 10:49

      Please, not Netball. There are some good looking girls in the local and national squads, don't want to spoil that now do we?

  • DuToitCoetzee - 2013-01-17 09:28

    What is going on? It seems now that the Lions would have gave more players of colour a chance comparing to the Kings. Please King suckers...oeps...sorry...supporters, do not give me that nonsense that their are so many developing players of colour in line and on standard, but you choose other players. Also that your standard is high enough if you can not even make the CC competition. ....and I am not even a Lion supporter.

  • karl.vanrooyen - 2013-01-17 09:31

    Maybe puke Watson should have a 10 point starter in each game

      aldo.dunn1 - 2013-01-17 09:37

      Not going to help, maybe 30 would make it a close game

  • glen.e.huysamer - 2013-01-17 09:32

    Where is the uplifting of local Eastern Cape players, or was this all just hot air by Watson.

  • victor.mendes1 - 2013-01-17 09:34

    You lucky to have cheated your way into super rugby and now you want more???? What next? DO you guys want a 50 point head start every match also?

  • Mandy Casey - 2013-01-17 09:38

    Cheeky indeed for him to try tell Saru what the rules should be. Five players equate to a third of the team being FOREIGN.

  • steven.crofton - 2013-01-17 09:41

    I'm a Lions supporter, but the Lions were so crap for so long and I think the Kings deserve a chance. The Kings can't just chuck Vodacom cup players into Super rugby - obviously they have to build first and let their local players learn from more experienced guys and introduce them slowly. That's why it's crazy that the Kings are only getting 1 year. It's pointless, and I agree with one of the comments that they should get at least 3 years, with the relegation match being between the Lions and the 2nd last SA team. I also agree with the comment that the Rebels and Force were allowed more than 2 foreign players to start with, so why not the Kings? Good luck Kings. I hope you do well and manage to get some development of local players going as well. It can only benefit SA rugby if you do. But what chance of that in just 1 year???

      bennie.theunissen.3 - 2013-01-17 09:48

      You are a straight up liar! Telling us you are a Lions supporter. It seems all of you Kings supporters deal under hand! No rugby loving supporter can justify the Kings inclusion!

      derrick.villiers - 2013-01-17 10:55

      well said honest sport loving person can justify the kings inclusion!!!

      danie.vanvuuren.180 - 2013-01-17 13:18

      Steven , you are the worst LION supporter I've EVER came accross ~!!! thankyou but no thankyou we dont need supportes like you !! in any case I think you are lying about who you sopport any one can smell and see who you really support ! good riddace !

      pierre.knoesen - 2013-01-17 14:35

      Steven, you are so right !!! Lions came last every time, so another team deserves a chance !!! Well done mate, you think with your brain, not with your heart. Danie, you are too emotional to think straight.

  • justin.roper.3705 - 2013-01-17 09:51

    Super 14 and 1 mixed team the super sucky kings, hope they loose all their games,won't support them at all

  • terence.wessels - 2013-01-17 09:54

    I sincerely hope the kings lose by 50 points plus every game. They must get whipped so badly that they all commit suicide by the end of the season. They do not deserve to be there, and it was political string pulling by ANC cadre Watson that got them the chance. Bullshyte. Keep politics out of sport idiots.

  • viv.pike - 2013-01-17 10:09

    Lions won't be playing The Kings for promotion ... they'll be playing Bulls or Cheetahs. The Kings'll be safe.

  • - 2013-01-17 10:20

    The presence of the mighty kings has the great advantage that it makes game predictions rather easy: Who lost: kings kings kings kings kings to eternity

  • justin.sly.77 - 2013-01-17 10:21

    I completely do not agree with the Southern Kings being included at the expense of the Lions. The Lions, even though they came last in the SA pool last year, are still far superior to the Kings. The Kings cannot even qualify to play in the Currie Cup, they do not belong in Super Rugby. If they had made it to Currie Cup under their own steam, then fair enough, let see where they fit in. Again, this is all just politics, not sport, politics. Its a shame really.

  • owlcritic - 2013-01-17 10:30

    It occurs to me that Mr Watson, in his inimitable cheeky way has admitted that the EP Kings are not of a super rugby standard.... unless, of course they buy in. He seems to rely heavily on his political clout to have the rules yet again bent in his favour. He may be the single greatest threat to south african rugby to date.

  • johan.roux.14019 - 2013-01-17 10:31

    Chekky is a spineless clone and he probably wipes the ANC’s butts when they go to the toilet. I would rather support Soweto’s 3rd team. Watson IDTIODS!!!!!!!!!!! GO LIONS

  • matt.prinsloo.1 - 2013-01-17 10:35

    Ek het besluit ek sal n ingeligde mening gee. Sien dis nie iets wat gereeld hier gebeur nie. Daar is ongeveer 28 anderskleurige spelers in die Stormers, Bulls, Sharks en Cheetahs. Dit sluit uit Beast en Rhule,wat van buite ons grense ingekom het. Van daai 28 kom 14 oorspronklik van die Oos Kaap.50%. Voeg by hulle ten minste nog 8 blanke spelers wat ook uit die Oos Kaap kom. nou kom ons kyk gou na die Kings se groep: 9 spelers van kleur waarvan 6 plaaslik is oorspronklik. In totaal dra die Kings nou al 20 uit 37 gekleurde spelers by. Tel daarby die 8 blankes (ten minste) wat elders speel en die verdere 11 blanke spelers in die Kings groep wat uit hul eie provinsie kom en ons sien reeds 39 spelers wat die Kings area bydra tot Super Rugby. 19 Blank, 20 anderskleurig. Hoe vergelyk dit met die ander? Uit n transformasie oogpunt - ja daar is slegs 9 gekleurde spelers in die Kings groep. 10 as mens Adongo bytel.Maar as mens in ag neem 20 uit 37 van die totale gekleurde spelers in al ons franchise kom van die Kings area? Kyk ook verder na die aantal gekleurde spelers in die spanne van SWD,Grens en OP se Vodacom Cup spanne die jaar. Dis duidelik dat die Kingsarea die meeste swart talent het om te ontwikkel. Uit n totale oogunt - hoe regverdig n mens hul uitsluiting die afgelope paar jaar as hulle 39 spelers in totaal reeds bydra tot Super Rugby. En ja, hul resulate was soms swak, maar onthou hulle 3 unies was die enigstes sonder SR voordele. Al ander 11 unies het voordeel getrek.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2013-01-17 11:02

      Goed so. Nou neem daai spelers, deel hulle in in die posisies wat hulle speel in en help ons nou weer met n "ingeligte" mening, assblief.

      remo.liut - 2013-01-17 14:24

      Matt, jy praat van Grens en SWD wat deel is van die streek span maar hulle het geen of min spelers in die groep. Hoe gaan hulle baat vind by die ontwikkeling? Onthou dat SWD alreeds moes totsiens se aan die 7's se inkomste, en met al die geskiedenis van wan admininistraie in die OP voorsien ek nog groot probleme in die streek. Onthou net dat julle tot dus ver net gevat het en getrap het om bo uit te kom, die gesegte is weet wie julle gaan sien oppad af waneer julle val. Die Oos Kaap het vir die laaste 10 jaar gehuil oor eerste rangse rugby maar het niks daaraan gedoen nie. Die LEEUS is maar ses maande uit en het darem planne gemaak om hulle te dra vir die jaar. Johannesburg het ordentelike skole en twee van die beste Universiteite wat bestaan, julle het NMMU wat nie eers shape in die varsity cup nie. Ja dis seker vir julle lekker want julle trap en beledig die LEEUS en hulle ondersteuners in elke berig, maar julle vergeet van waar julle gekom het en hoe julle daar geplaas is. Ek sal nooit in my lewe vir die Kings kan ondersteun nie omdat dit op n politieke leuen gebaseer is, Mnr Watson het gese julle is reg om net plaaslike spelers te gebruik maar hy het seker nie bedoel die Grens en SWD se spelers nie. Julle gaan julle spelers nog steeds verloor. nou kan jy maar weer gal braak, gebruik dit as jy wil ek gee nie n f@k om nie. o ja geniet die feit dat spelers soos Murray en Maku in 2012 amper 8 maande uit die spel was weens beserings.

      remo.liut - 2013-01-17 20:11

      Matt you did not answer my question, where is the SWD and Border players in this team I thought they were partners?

      matt.prinsloo.1 - 2013-01-18 08:03

      @remo: ek speel nie heeldag op die internet nie ouboet. so sorry as ek jou bietjie afskeep LOL Daar is net 2 SWD spelers in. Hou ingedagte dat baie van die swart talent eintlik uit die Grens area kom. Beide die Grens en SWD is erg erg afgeskeep agv die afwesigheid van SR in die streek, so huidiglik speel hul beste produkte op ander plekke. Soos wat hulle baat uit SR, sal hulle ook spelers kan behou en dus bydra tot die Kings. Daar word juis nog Akademies gestig in hulle areas ook. Die 3 unies is gelyke vennote in die franchise, so hulle sal baat. Julle verwag n quick fix, maar vergeet die Kings jare se agterstand om in te haal. Kyk hoe moes die Leopards en Pumas baklei met die Lions oor geld. Hoeveel Boland spelers is in die Stormers span? Hoeveel Valke spelers is in die Bulls span? Hoeveel wedstryde word buite die groot sentrums gespeel? Al die dinge behoort aandag te geniet wat die groter unies raak net sterker ten koste van die kleiner unies. Hopelik sal die Kings met die tyd anders wees as die ander franchises wat eintlik maar hul franchise vennote afskeep. Dit lyk sover belowend.

      remo.liut - 2013-01-18 09:52

      Goeie more Matt, lmga jy klink nes my vrou. Matt die Oos kaap was deel daarvan en is gekelder deur swak besigheids besluite. Ons moet nie wegskram van die feite nie, julle ontken dat Cheeky gese het dat julle reg is vir die kompetisie en nou wil hy nog oorsee spelers inbring. Nee wat ek glo dat daar baie spelers is wat talent het, maar so ook Johannesburg, onthou SARU voer ons ook nie met geld en toernooie soos hulle die oos kaap voer nie. As jy kyk na speler ontwikkeling kan ek ook name rondgooi; 1. Bryan Habana 2. Jaques Fourie 3.Edgar Maratule 4. Josh Strauss 5. Michael Killian 6. Wandile Mjekevu 7. Jaco Taute 8.Elton Jantjies 9. Louis Ludick 10. Willem Alberts en daar is vele meer, dit is nie eers die spelers wat nie meer kontrakte en speel tyd by die ander unies gekry het nie, 1. Waylon Murray 2. Bandise Maku 3. Cj vd Linde 4. Pat Cilliers 5. Michael Rhodes nee wat maat, daar is baie faktore om in ag te neem, ek het die grootste respek gehah vir die OP in die 80's want hulle het goeie rugby gespeel en dit altyd geniet om julle te sien speel in die CC. Ongelukkig is dit n kwessie van julle administrasie het julle gekelder, net soos die Leeus Ek sidder as ek lees hoe mense lekker kry oor die val van een van ons groot unies. SARU is doodstil oor hoe hulle die Leeus gaan help, maar dit lyk of al hulle energie en geld na die Oos Kaap gestuur word. Soos ek se geniet die seisoen en sterkte, maar weet dit ek kan en sal nie die Kings ondersteun die jaar al is dit teen aus/nz nie.

      byron.matthews.562 - 2013-01-18 10:45

      lol @ "ek speel nie heeldag op die internet nie ouboet"

  • Fishlus - 2013-01-17 10:38

    To the Souther Kings Supporters - you should feel ashamed that Cheeky has to cheat like an ANC member to stay competitive (Maybe he should go to Lance Armstrong on how to do it properly). The fact of teh matter is that most of the boys teams who will play in teh Craven week this year could beat the Kings into embarrassed silence - Just by the way it is Brigade and not Brigate Can't wait for the Sharks to wipe their @rsewith the Southern Kings toilet paper and Puke paper

  • roy.wadhams.1 - 2013-01-17 10:44

    Why should these Watson's/EP kings be treated differently to any other franchise? They won't be lasting very long.

  • steven.crofton - 2013-01-17 10:50

    Sorry Bennie, but I AM a Lions fan and I always be. But I'm even more of an SA rugby and SA sports fan, so I don't buy into provincialism and politics. I also believe in fairness, so for these reasons I stand by everything I said.

      derrick.villiers - 2013-01-17 10:57

      there is nothing fair about the kings inclusion!!

  • derrick.villiers - 2013-01-17 10:52

    he will probably get it ......SARU stuffing rugby up one day at a time...oh well im over it.....but they still going to be the team that was put into super rugby due to politics and not on merit!!!

  • steven.crofton - 2013-01-17 11:00

    The way the Kings got in is wrong and it's definitely not fair on the Lions, but if SARU had kept the thousands of promises they made to the E.Cape region over the last 15 or 20 years and actually tried to develop rugby in the region, none of this would have happened coz the Kings would have been there already.

  • michael.tetley.35 - 2013-01-17 11:21

    The two most overrated people in SA rugby, Cheeky and Puke, I mean Luke. Makes me want to puke.

      neville.watson.31 - 2013-01-17 12:13

      The similarity between the King's entrance to Super Rugby and Luke's entrance to the Springboks is astounding. Almost embarrassed to share the surname.

  • Owencat - 2013-01-17 11:27

    The lions may have played crap super rugby but they never had to import a team. If the Kings dont have a strong enough feeder system then whats the point in there being a super rugby team from the Eastern Cape? It is a more a case of SARU being held to ransom by politicians. In reality, there should have been promotion/relegation matches between the lions and the kings. The Kings had to do just that in the Currie Cup. The lions franchise has been damaged severely by the loss of Super rugby status, not sure if they wil ever recover

      nick.logan.773 - 2013-01-17 11:50

      Actually the Lions clearly should have imported players, as they came last in super rugby for the past 10years. The Lions also never had to earn their place in super rugby by playing against another team. So why should the Kings now have to play for their spot? The Kings should actually also recieve 10years to establish themselves in super rugby. Im sure theyll only need 2 or 3 years to outperform the pathetic Lions.

      neville.watson.31 - 2013-01-17 12:17

      @Nick Logan - The Lions(Transvaal) won the inaugural Super 10 competition.

      remo.liut - 2013-01-17 14:29

      Nick when has anyone of the EC teams ever won the CC in the last 100 years, that is how you get entrance into the Super comp.

      basiladams.basil - 2013-01-17 14:55

      Guys y this Anti Kings campaign we from the Eastern Cape gave u a lot of players like the 1st world cup captain! Pienaar,M killian,W Meyer,Elton Jantjies,Bandisa Makou, lionel Mapoe and that's just to name a few so y don't u guys shut the hell up and crit us after the Supa15 ok!

      matt.prinsloo.1 - 2013-01-17 16:08

      @remo... i fail to see the relevance of your question but as a matter of fact Border did share it twice.

      remo.liut - 2013-01-17 20:09

      It has relevance as a rule SANZAR ruled that only the top teams out of the 3 countries will play in the Super competition. Actually you make it sound worse, check the record TVL 10 champions and you say Border shared it twice. Now Matt explain to me where does that give PE the right to claim ownership of the franchise. See your silent partners (SARU) is screwing the rest of the unions. They took away the 7's from George and gave it to PE, I bet SWD was not compensated. with this you get a test every year, and not to forget the 40 million rand given for last year. Good luck but remember on the way down who you trampled on to get to the top.

      matt.prinsloo.1 - 2013-01-18 08:14

      @remo. jy't n wan indruk oor Super Rugby en die franchises. Franchises is nie provinsies nie, hulle speel nie in enige plaaslike kompetisies nie. Jy probeer jou bes nou om te "stir". Die franchise ooreenkoms met SWD en Grens behels gelyke eienaarskap. Net omdat daar nie nou baie van hul spelers die groep haal nie, beteken nie hulle word afgeskeep nie. Daar is juis Akademies oppad vir George en Oos Londen. Tot nou toe het hulle ongelukkig meeste van hul spelers verloor, so hulle kan nie veel bydra nie. Eers die agterstand in haal. Oor die 7's. SARU het besluit om die te skuif want George se stadium is te klein, so as PE dit nie gekry het nie, dan sou een van die ander groter stede. Ten miste is dit nog steeds in die Kings area. Omtrent Grens - verwys na hierbo: Provinsies vs Franchises. OP besit nie die Kings nie, hulle het slegs n derde aandeel. Common sense se dat PE die basis moet wees - by verre die grootste stad, by verre die beste fasilititeite.

  • elmo.j.erasmus - 2013-01-17 11:29

    Why is he not recruiting all those previously disadvantaged players he is always going on about?

  • danien1 - 2013-01-17 11:44

    Mr Watson. You should realized that it can not work. The kings must play under the same rules as the others. By the way, we will be counting the black players in your team every weekend.

  • loekie.vandermerwe - 2013-01-17 11:47

    Look at the bright side. SA sides can milk ten points of the Kings since we will be playing them twice. Where as NZ and Aus will only get 5 points from them. We've seen how important 5 points can be at the end of a season. Plus the betting odds of them ending last in the Super 14 plus Kings compitition is 5 to 10. Not a bad investment i think

  • Paddy - 2013-01-17 11:49

    And what about transformation? The hypocrites in government will probably support bra Cheeky's bleat. Forget the "black" players that were promised. At this rate there will be more retreaded All Blacks in the squad than the previously disadvantaged who were supposed to benefit.

  • an.a.969 - 2013-01-17 12:20

    Ouch!The ridicule and pressure that lies ahead, bought upon themselves..immense!Can anyone tell me is there any criteria,in future, that allows any franchise to replace a current one in Super rugby?

  • andile.nokhetshe - 2013-01-17 12:28

    Aah! Look, the Anti Kings/EP brigade has arrived. Have fun and goodbye now!

  • danie.vanvuuren.180 - 2013-01-17 12:42

    They should definitely NOT allowed to play more overseas players ! What about the cheeky Cheeky's promise about the previous disadvantage players of the Eastern Cape . So he is behind everybody' s back busy to negotiate with his friends at SARU !!!!

  • richard.mcconnachie.3 - 2013-01-17 12:48

    Pity the people who always have something or somebody to blame. I do wish the Kings/EP well in their Super Rugby campaign. However, its the method used by the clowns in authority that has caused the bad PR for the Kings. Having to resort to over the top overseas players may just indicate that we in SA may not have the depth to have the number of sides we do in Super rugby.