Kings ask for rule change

2012-09-20 16:47

Cape Town - The Southern Kings have asked the South African Rugby Union (SARU) to allow them to use more than the two allowed foreign players in next year's Super Rugby competition.

The Kings will play in next year's event at the expense of the Lions, and have started building their squad for next season's Southern Hemisphere showpiece.

On Thursday they confirmed the signing of Western Province flyhalf Demetri Catrakilis. Other notable recent signings also include centre Andries Strauss from the Cheetahs and Sharks lock Steven Sykes.

Kings president Cheeky Watson told Eyewitness News Sport on Thursday that they're in talks with a further nine players, both local and foreign, and that while a South African player would be first choice, they have asked SARU if they could sign more than two foreigners if the need arises.

"It’s a decision that has to be made as we go along, because we may just land up being in a position that we don’t have to sign any foreign player," said Watson. "So it’s a situation that one will know in the next two weeks."

This comes after Watson revealed to the Rugby 365 website that they're in talks to sign more high-profile names.

Watson said he was talking to a number of European-based players and several players in Argentina.

"We are talking to players all over the place," Watson said on Wednesday. "We are talking to South African players based overseas and there are a couple of technicalities which we are looking at as we attempt to bring players on board," said Watson.

Twelve players from the current Eastern Province team, including captain Luke Watson, have signed contract extensions through 2013. Luke Watson will also skipper the team in the Super Rugby competition.


  • william.chestnut.33 - 2012-09-20 16:52

    So why bother to call them the Kings then if 3/4 of players will be bought from elsewhere. It's like the Stormers/WP then, Canadians, Fijians, Bulls, Sharks etc etc in their team Better known as the Stormer Barbarians

      paul.sdoow - 2012-09-20 17:04

      that's only because bulls sharks etc are made up of ex province boys.

      lean.sadie - 2012-09-20 17:05

      Ur back again hey, ban inc once more.

      william.chestnut.33 - 2012-09-20 17:24

      @lean sadie Ag ek kry so verskriklik lekker! Go for it, cry enough like the typical toddler you are and they'll ban this one. 149 to go then! Who are you calling today? Mauritius police? BWA HA HA Dom morg

      joneethling - 2012-09-20 17:24

      Bottom 2 positions in super rugby for the last 15 years. 1998 - Northern Bulls 11 Golden Cats 12 1999 - Cats 11 Northern Bulls 12 2000 - Bulls 11 Sharks 12 2001 - Blues 11 Bulls 12 2002 - Cats 11 Bulls 12 2003 - Sharks 11 Cats 12 2004 - Huricanes 11 Cats 12 2005 - Cats 11 Sharks 12 2006 - Cats 13 Force 14 2007 - Waratahs 13 Reds 14 2008 - Cheetahs 13 Cats 14 2009 - Reds 13 Cheetahs 14 2010 - Force 13 Lions 14 2011 - Lions 14 Rebels 15 2012 - Force 14 Lions 15 Give Eastern Cape a chance. With proper sponsors and personel in place, they may just do better than the other bottom feeders.

      william.chestnut.33 - 2012-09-20 17:27

      @joneethling Add to that the 1997 season where Stormers couldn't even qualify for the competition. The definition of patheticness!

      squeegee.pilot - 2012-09-20 18:08

      It was all about shifting the money base to the Watsons - ANC Cadre deployment. It will deliver the same results as an Eastern Cape muncipality.

      joneethling - 2012-09-20 18:15

      Sure. I am not realy into petty provincialism. Problem in SA rugby are much bigger than that. Fact remains. Many teams were good for nothing bottom feeders, but were given lots of cash many chances to improve. What do you call it when some people are treated differently to others? No wonder the Boks are always hovering somewhere between 3rd and 6th place with a few weeks at no. 1 or 2. You reap what you sow.

      craven.luyt - 2012-09-20 18:58

      Leon met 'n 'a', I can safely say I am the polar opposite of you and for that I am eternally grateful.

      chrisin.oz.1 - 2012-09-21 04:01

      @nurse spiertjies a.k.a. william.chesthair. As opposed to the Western Bulls?

  • paul.sdoow - 2012-09-20 17:03

    not enough local talent now either? i understand other provinces but to change rules to sign a number of players. and what south Africans play in Argentina , just curious

      lean.sadie - 2012-09-20 17:19

      Kinda silly really. They will be worse than the Rebels, with buying so many people. But, yet still not be up to par with the others.

      william.chestnut.33 - 2012-09-20 17:25

      @lean What is even ore silly is what is going on bewteen your ears. The same than you're beloved team has done in the last 11yr

      nads.delange - 2012-09-20 17:35

      The whole point of them being included in the S15 was to breed local talent, now they want foreign players? I don't get it...

      squeegee.pilot - 2012-09-20 20:48

      Nads, let me help you: M-O-N-E-Y!

      chrisin.oz.1 - 2012-09-21 03:37

      @lean.sadie. They will definitely be worse than the Rebels. The Rebels beat the Blues and the Crusaders this year. And in their first year they beat the Brumbies and Hurricanes. Somehow I do not see that happening in PE!

      william.chestnut.33 - 2012-09-21 05:28

      @chris I agree, Kings will be useless, their only chance is against the Stormers who are if you didn't know 17 years cupless now

  • louis.langenhoven - 2012-09-20 17:03

    Now you are getting it right Cheeky- whilst you are at it ask them if your affirmative action team can not play with 20 on the field at the same time- should really give you a chance. Your lateral thinking is great

      chrisin.oz.1 - 2012-09-21 04:03

      Louis, is 20 going to be enough? Maybe they should ask for 20 points to start the game with as well? Just a suggestion, Cheeky. Who knows, you might have thought of it already.

      henk.jacobs.39 - 2012-09-21 07:52

      ...and 20 log pts as well...

      charlietlo - 2012-09-21 08:17

      they got a spot they didnt deserve in the competition and now they wanna change rules aswel, whats next?

      suidlander.vanwyk - 2012-09-21 16:37

      While at it, they may ask you to be their ball boy and clown of note, you are such a funny man aren't you?

  • macziekpk - 2012-09-20 17:05

    I will watch the first few wallopings they will get then probably never watch another game. Can;t even muster up the boredom to watch their current team in the current league

      lean.sadie - 2012-09-20 17:20

      Then don't watch it. Who cares.

      macziekpk - 2012-09-20 17:32

      You obvs do

      nads.delange - 2012-09-20 17:38

      I think all true SA rugby supporters should boycot their games. If there was a playoff game then fine, give them a chance, but they can't even make the Currie Cup. To just drop the Lions like that, well, they should suffer for that!

      cobus.fenwick - 2012-09-20 22:49

      The two teams will be chalk and cheese. First division and Super 15?

      chrisin.oz.1 - 2012-09-21 03:37

      Just imagine how bored everyone will be when the Bulls and Kings play each other. I'm hoping for a 0-0 draw.

      william.chestnut.33 - 2012-09-21 05:14

      Still more exciting than a team that has failed for 11yr in a row now

  • jean.wet.1 - 2012-09-20 17:06 before cape.maori starts ranting about how SA owes him! Hehe

      tobie.vangreunen - 2012-09-20 21:28


  • Andrew2711 - 2012-09-20 17:08

    So first they recruit white players from other unions, now they want to import players from Europe...I thought the whole point of the Kings was to give the traditionally non-white EP teams a super rugby team. They should put a picture of Cheeky Watson in the dictionary under the word "hypocracy"

      louis.langenhoven - 2012-09-20 17:28

      it wont help- he doesn't understand the word and will think its something wonderful

      macziekpk - 2012-09-20 17:34


      christian.denyschen - 2012-09-20 17:54

      they cant his picture is under d@@s already

      squeegee.pilot - 2012-09-20 20:50

      Look under 'cadre'...

      press.enter.12 - 2012-09-20 21:51

      Also look under "self-serving"

      suidlander.vanwyk - 2012-09-21 16:40

      andrew you can't develop players if you have been given one year only, my friend its called planning, those SARU idiots really screwed my province up while giving chance to these Unions who have been there for years and have nothing to show for it

  • philip.h.voigt - 2012-09-20 17:09

    Yip like the Bulls should be calles the Stormer Cheetaah's with all the players they buy from these provinces!!

      chrisin.oz.1 - 2012-09-21 03:47

      And your point is? It is a professional game. The Western Bulls? The Stormbarians? The Free State Sharks? Whatever. The problem here, is that the Kings were included in the S15 at the expense of the Lions supposedly to develop black players from the Eastern Cape. Firstly, the S15 is not a development ground - it is the toughest provincial tournament in the world. Secondly, very few black EC players will play S15. This has nothing to do with development. Call it what it is, political connections, Watson-greed, lowering of standards, whatever. Just don't call it development for black players. When one black EC player comes through the King's ranks during the S15 and play Springbok rugby, then I will say it was successfull development.

      charlietlo - 2012-09-21 08:23

      shouldnt they have developed this players by now? i mean they have been fighting(political wise) to be included in super rugby, had they developed this "players" i think they would be ready by now.............(to get an @ss whipping)

  • nettie.potgieter.5 - 2012-09-20 17:11

    Did the King of Vommit not struggel for freedom and upliftment of the so called under privilege people? Why are the not now welcome in his team?

      chrisin.oz.1 - 2012-09-21 06:25

      He believes any player that does not have the privilege to play for the Mighty Kings is underprivileged.

  • nielletruter - 2012-09-20 17:12

    Nogal "Cheeky" van hom.....

  • cobus.havenga - 2012-09-20 17:12

    Weren't this team supposed to expose \black\ players from the Eastern Cape ? Friends with the ANC I pressume....

      cobus.fenwick - 2012-09-20 22:52

      Expose at Super 15 level, are you kidding me?

  • jeanpierre.heyns.1 - 2012-09-20 17:15

    Two words @ Cheeky : Fn*k u

      suidlander.vanwyk - 2012-09-21 16:42

      and F u too jeany

  • andre.terblanche.5 - 2012-09-20 17:28

    Gelukkig is daar nou 'n nuwe Noord / Suid wedstryd tussen Bulle en Kings om na uit te sien.

      lionel.kemm.9 - 2012-09-20 17:35

      Ja want WP/Stormers raak nou gatvol om elke keer die Bulle se gatte te skop.

      chrisin.oz.1 - 2012-09-21 04:06

      Die Bulls moet uitsien daarna. Ten minste is daar nou 'n span van die Suide teen wie hulle 'n effens beter kans staan om te wen.

      william.chestnut.33 - 2012-09-21 05:13

      Of 'n span in die suide wat dalk meer as 1 keer in 11jaar 'n koppietjie wen

      chrisin.oz.1 - 2012-09-21 06:33

      Look, nurse chesthair gave himself a thumbs-up. Do you feel a bit better about yourself now?

      dowwe.duane - 2012-09-22 02:34

      @chrissie I do, and especially seeing I have more thumbs up than you, that makes me really happy. Or to know my team is not 11yr cupless

  • roelfensusanne.mare - 2012-09-20 17:30

    Cheeky is cheeky to appoint little cheeky to cap the Kings? Isnt he still sick trying to vomit on his mates' jerseys? Now he wants to change the rules of Super 15- thats cheeky,Cheeky. You are new at this, arent you a little arrogant??

  • warren.carne.9 - 2012-09-20 18:12

    Typical,offer a pinky and they take the whole arm,these morons now realise they gonna cop a hiding and are trying to save face,they should never have been allowed to play Super Rugby at the expense of the Lions

  • DustinBell100 - 2012-09-20 18:13

    Like that haven't been given enough already.

  • DustinBell100 - 2012-09-20 18:13

    Like that haven't been given enough already.

  • DustinBell100 - 2012-09-20 18:13

    Like that haven't been given enough already.

  • sir.brent.fortune - 2012-09-20 18:16

    Wow...and here I was thinking that the Kings were all about transformation in SA rugby....what a is all about money and bling and the gravy train keeps on chugging along!

  • haroldcecil - 2012-09-20 18:30

    Lmfao wow!!wow!!wow!!.When these guys started fighting 4 the plight of EC rugby I taught @least some1 had the guts 2 fight 4 whats right and I taught that the boys in the EC will finally get what they deserve but I guess I was wrong.What was the use of fighting this battle when the Boys from the EC are going 2 be overlooked 4 guys of the Sharks and WP and guys from overseas.It wont be long b4 the hole squad is full of players that dont make it in the other teams Like WP and the Sharks.Then U get guys like PdV come and talk abt the Bok squad is 2 white

  • haroldcecil - 2012-09-20 18:31

    Lmfao wow!!wow!!wow!!.When these guys started fighting 4 the plight of EC rugby I taught @least some1 had the guts 2 fight 4 whats right and I taught that the boys in the EC will finally get what they deserve but I guess I was wrong.What was the use of fighting this battle when the Boys from the EC are going 2 be overlooked 4 guys of the Sharks and WP and guys from overseas.It wont be long b4 the hole squad is full of players that dont make it in the other teams Like WP and the Sharks.Then U get guys like PdV come and talk abt the Bok squad is 2 white

  • jean.rossouwsa - 2012-09-20 18:31

    Ag help ons asb!!! Ons verdien dit!! Ag TOE!!!!! SARFU......... Kings=Entitlement Rugby

  • ian.tait.771 - 2012-09-20 18:31

    What a CHOP... Why cry we need to develop our local Eastern Province players and then you want to buy everyone from around the world. May as well kept the Lions in the Super 15... Top 5 Teams in the Currie Cup play Super 15... Oh No The Kings are in the B section!!!

  • craven.luyt - 2012-09-20 18:55

    Short answer NO

      chrisin.oz.1 - 2012-09-21 04:06

      Probable answer: YES.

  • frikdt - 2012-09-20 18:57

    Cheeky Watson is a PrOfEsSional.

      chrisin.oz.1 - 2012-09-21 06:26

      Nes DOctOrSpiertjies. Of hoe se ek william.chesthair?

      dowwe.duane - 2012-09-22 02:35

      Net so chrissie, ek het meer geld as wat jou computer kan nulle tik

  • Theuns Jacobs - 2012-09-20 18:59

    no definitely not.!!! beacuse u cheeky watson, u may have 25!!! dum*asses!!!

  • Theuns Jacobs - 2012-09-20 19:00

    cheeky watson..jou massa morne steyn!!!

      chrisin.oz.1 - 2012-09-21 03:51

      I know we all dislike Cheeky. But to compare him to Morne Steyn is a bit harsh on the poor man. He's not THAT bad.

      william.chestnut.33 - 2012-09-21 05:12

      He's quite an idiot yes, not as braindead as dom Duane, but pretty shocking

  • ivan.devries.7 - 2012-09-20 19:04

    The team is to white,wats happing Pinky and jr pinky

  • william.chestnut.33 - 2012-09-20 19:05

    @fake cry baby lean sadie I'm still here, try harder to get my profile banned oubaas se honne, looks like you struggling more and more to do so!! Have you spoken to the US Federal court to get me locked up for life yet? BWA HA HA HA What a imbecile you are.

      chrisin.oz.1 - 2012-09-21 03:52

      Looks like the nurses at Riverview let you play on the computer again.

      william.chestnut.33 - 2012-09-21 05:11

      They are really kind to me. Really really

  • Jimmy NZ - 2012-09-20 19:18

    More high profiles players ??? I couldn't think of one high profile player (player of international standard) that would possibly go there... Name 1 Bok that woud go work for the Watsons! (Sykes and Strauss are not Boks)

  • Jaco Liza Venter - 2012-09-20 19:19

    Give Puke Watson a valiod before he runs on the field and his father cheeky a preprasion H set pill want hy het ambeie.

  • gregory.f.dean - 2012-09-20 19:21

    I thought the idea was to utilise players from the area; now they are on a recruiting drive internationally. Amazing!

  • adrian.strydom - 2012-09-20 19:24

    I thought that The Kings were going to show the 'mass of undiscovered and under rated talent' that exists in the Eastern Cape amongst the black players. At this rate we'll be lucky to see more than two local blacks in the King's side. Nice con job, Cheeky Watson !

  • sarel.korf - 2012-09-20 19:27

    So what happened to his so called Development. The are not even interested in SA players. All promises and nothing more. I truly hope the Queens loose all their matches. I will never support that team!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      chrisin.oz.1 - 2012-09-21 04:23

      Saartjie, the name Queens has already been taken. The cupless pink jokers from Tshwane have copyright on that name.

  • johan.wilsnach - 2012-09-20 19:51

    What I find most disturbing is that the kings have not earned their spot in this competition. they should have played against the lions for the spot. Now they want the union to change the rules without achieving anything. This is absolutely mind blowing ,,,, but then again this can only happen in this country. absolutely and totally disgusting. This is my final comment about this matter.

      chrisin.oz.1 - 2012-09-21 03:08

      @luzuku. You're not dreaming. Cheeky will demand SANZAR change the rules to award the S15 trophy to the team who loses all their games by 50 points or more and finishes bottom of the log.

  • keithronald.wildschut - 2012-09-20 21:16

    There is enough quality South African players to contract for the Kings to make it a force.Start looking at the availability of Players that hails from the Eastern Cape who is available to play.Elton.Jantjies must be high on the shopping list.Jano Vermaak is also a boytjie from this area. This is new beginning for EP rugby.To the nay sayers lets wait and see what will happen next year.

      cobus.fenwick - 2012-09-20 23:05

      We don't even have enough quality players, according to H. Meyer for the Boks to be competitive at the moment. Don't they chose players from the Super 15 side for the Boks? I can not understand you, this is Super rugby and money is all that counts.

      sean.brady.14224 - 2012-09-22 22:07

      Elton was born in the EC but developed as a rugby player in Johannesburg! How does that translate in him having to play for the Kings? Ridiculous comment.

  • martin.holder.96 - 2012-09-20 21:32

    That is shocking. What happened to all the local talent he has been on about! Talk about double standards.

  • andries.greeff.1 - 2012-09-20 21:36

    At least we finally have a good reason to actually hate a rugby team.

      cobus.fenwick - 2012-09-20 23:06

      Do we need a team to join the Bulls?

      chrisin.oz.1 - 2012-09-21 03:11

      When the Bulls play against the Kings, who should we hate the most then? Or should I hope for a draw? A 0-0 draw will be fitting, I think.

      william.chestnut.33 - 2012-09-21 05:10


      chrisin.oz.1 - 2012-09-21 06:18

      William.chesthair. Your keyboard got stuck there a little. It's only going to be 1 year. The Kings won't win a relegation match.

  • - 2012-09-20 21:49

    Die klomp narre in die Oos Kaap sorg omtrent vir opwinding. Sal ook nie lank wees voordat daar onmin tussen Cheeky en sy stiefbroer SARU is nie. Die beginsel was dalk goed gewees wat hy aanvanklik in gedagte gehad het om plaaslike spelers blootstelling te gee. Maar oom Cheeky het sy visioene verbreed en koester nou drome van n geskiedkundige opmars slagvelde toe. Die feit dat hy nou weer die reels wil laat buig wys net hoe ernstig hy is, maar dit gaan dalk negatief omswaai na sy kant toe. Eks net spyt hulle kry nie die Lions op hul pad nie, want daai klomp maanhare sou hul opgevreet het.

  • herman.botes.7587 - 2012-09-20 22:51

    The Watsons are BAD for SA rugby.....the old man is very \cheeky\. And his son has a illness that makes him want to \puke\ on rugby jerseys..........what a pair of clowns. - 2012-09-21 06:19

      Hendrik los jou verduideliking, jy mors jou asem op sulke ouens. Daar sal mos altyd mense wees wat politiek in bring. Ek kan die ou nou ook n novel getik het oor sy stellings en aannames, maar jy kan sien sy brein het net een denkrigting. Hy is net nog een wat kwaad, bitter, opgewerk voel en daarom haal hy die verlede aan wat niks met die berig te doen het nie.

  • dewet.strydom.79 - 2012-09-20 23:21

    The kings are suppose to promote local talent and know they seeking international players!!! Maybe they should leave the game for the big boys and just keep playing 2nd division and stay out of super rugby.

  • andre.terblanche.5 - 2012-09-20 23:40

    Wp worry nou is daar 'n sterker suidelike span wat nie choke nie.

      chrisin.oz.1 - 2012-09-21 02:49

      En die Bulls worry dat hulle volgende jaar relegation games teen die Leeus sal moet speel.

  • francois.v.eeden.3 - 2012-09-20 23:41

    I hope they can sign some quality players

      chrisin.oz.1 - 2012-09-21 06:06

      Why don't they sign all the quality players of the Lions. Then they can also rename themself the Lions and play all their games in Johannesburg. The same amount of development of EC rugby players will take place then.

  • chrisin.oz.1 - 2012-09-21 02:28

    So Eastern Cape rugby, the centre of black rugby in SA, now gets developed with white players in Bloemfontein, Durban, Mendoza, Leicester, Paris and London?

  • chrisin.oz.1 - 2012-09-21 02:30

    Cheeky, why not demand another rule change: the team that finishes last on the log, gets awarded the trophy?

      william.chestnut.33 - 2012-09-21 05:26

      @chris Stormers will love that, maybe they'll finally win a Supercup

      dante.walters.50 - 2012-09-21 15:51

      William Chestnut. You are such an idiot! We get what your'e trying to say! Just don't say it ALL THE TIME, as your team is currently last on the Currie Cup log and lost to the Stormers 3 times in a row now in Super rugby. The Stormers have also NEVER ended last in the Super rugby series. We are currently better than you and will be for many years to come. I suggest you come and make a turn in the Western Cape and buy some more talent for your ever dwindling LOSER Union.

      dowwe.duane - 2012-09-22 02:39

      @dante You've even gone one better than not winning a game in a season, you didn't even qualify to play in the competition at all. That's correct, Stormers 1997 Now get of this blog and go mate with a family member before I whack you out of your shoes you brainless imbecile.

  • kannie.menie - 2012-09-21 05:28

    Everyone is talking about the squad, what about the captain. No South African worth mentioning would want to play with Puke.

  • Michael Kleber - 2012-09-21 06:25

    To those questioning what we have against cheeky just read divs book politically incorrect and jakes book and maybe you will have a bit more insight on the subject

  • leon.young.9003 - 2012-09-21 06:41

    40 percent of sa super rugby players from eastern cape half the bulls team eastern cape players sharks not far behind stop poaching eastern cape players cheetahs lions and wp

      chrisin.oz.1 - 2012-09-21 06:44

      Then why do they need all the foreign players?

      leon.young.9003 - 2012-09-21 06:58

      Cos we've been sucked dry

      chrisin.oz.1 - 2012-09-21 07:04

      So they are importing foreigners to the Kings. Do you know what that tells an up and coming youngster in the EC: I'd better go play my rugby in Cape Town, Pretoria, Bloem or Durban. I won't get picked in PE. Sucked dry or driving them away?

  • gerald.parker.3956 - 2012-09-21 06:45

    Watson said in his argument that the talent of Eastern Cape was being ignored. So why now does he want maore than two foreigners. Hw should be forced to use ONLY Eastern Cape Players since he proclaimed that there is so much talent there

  • arie.scheepers - 2012-09-21 06:48

    Hopefully he'll ask for a name change aswell, the 'Super Flings' and get a sponsorship from Simba, to afford the foreign players... But wait, won't Simba rather be proudly South African like a certain rugby outfit was claiming to be? It is a sham and shame that the lions has to step back for this circus

  • vernon.annandale.7 - 2012-09-21 07:19

    Cheeky is a D00S! @ cape maori,this does not sound like the hero you were going on about?!seems like he just used the players of colour to get his dirty hands into the honey pot? Pathetic,the entire Watson clan are a bunch of knob peddlers