Hore punch 'absolute disgrace'

2012-11-27 13:15

Cardiff - Wales have labelled New Zealand hooker Andrew Hore's alleged attack on Welsh lock Bradley Davies an "absolute disgrace".

VIDEO: Andrew Hore knees Bradley Davies in the head

Wales attack coach Rob Howley said the apparent punch, which occurred less than a minute into the Test against New Zealand on Saturday, had no place in rugby, but concurred with his head coach Warren Gatland's assessment that it was out of character for the All Blacks.

"What Hore did has got no place on a rugby field as far as I'm concerned, it was an absolute disgrace," he said. "He's been cited and I'm sure the citing commissioner won't take it too lightly."

As Wales starts preparations for their final autumn test against Australia, the punch to the side of Davies's head last weekend, which put him in hospital for a night with severe concussion, continued to attract attention.

Howley spent much of his time in front of Welsh journalists - and a few from Australia - dissecting the matter on Monday, resisting calls for Hore to face criminal charges and keeping his comments firm but measured.

"I have seen and read comments about (the possibility of going to police), it happened on a rugby field and no, we haven't (gone)," he said.

Hore will face the citing commissioner over the incident, while Howley ruled out Davies from playing against Australia on Saturday.

The incident came two weeks after New Zealand flank Adam Thomson was suspended for stamping on the head of Scotland's Alasdair Strokosch during his team's 51-22 win at Edinburgh.

The International Rugby Board has indicated it will appeal the length of that ban as "unduly lenient".

Howley backed Gatland's comments in the aftermath of the New Zealand match that the punch, administered from behind while Davies was off the ball, was uncharacteristic of the All Blacks.

"That's not what (they) do anyway. As Warren said after the game, you don't traditionally think the All Blacks want to do that - they're a good enough team anyway, one of the best teams in the world, so we were very, very surprised by the actions of the player," he said.

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  • francoise.v.rheede - 2012-11-27 13:34

    Hore will get a lenient slap on the wrist from the powers that be, he wears a black jersey not a green one besides the IRB authorities are always lenient on the All Blacks. I must however point out that the All Blacks have been guilty of playing players around the ruck for some time now in every test they play and the referees just turn a blind eye!What Hore did here in a more brutal manner is the all black ploy around rucks! Any how it sits sour but take nothing away from them they are a awesome outfit at the moment!!!

      donavan.boshoff - 2012-11-27 14:09

      Its a pity the TMO has no power in these situations, whatever happens to Hore now won't change the outcome of the match. I honestly thought the AR would have seen it though, maybe he did... Joubert has seriously been compromised why not any of the others?

      rocco.dewet.3 - 2012-11-28 00:35

      I disagree. An understandable reaction would have been a strong shove from the back. Not a slimeball punch from the back followed by a knee drop to the head. This match had barely started so the incident bears the hallmark of a preconceived intention. I am not suggesting that the ABs are thugs. Far from it. But historically the ABs have had their share of dirty players too. And the Bokhaters suggesting otherwise are just not very smart or objective. Not sure everyone here understand the potential impact severe concussion can have for a player of contact sport at the highest level. This was an act of savage thuggery and should be punished accordingly. I was revulsed at Greyling's cheap shot at McCaw, but if he had the same intention as Hore, McCaw would also have been carried off the field.

      rocco.dewet.3 - 2012-11-28 00:50

      Some of you are suggesting that Davies "asked for it" by running a line of obstruction. How about Justin Marshall blatantly pulling on Bakkies Botha's jersey a few years ago. Or McCaw perennially pushing the margins of legality at the breakdowns. Are only ABs alllowed to provoke or retaliate? What absolute cr@p!

      Caleb - 2012-11-28 01:09

      Although I agree with most of what you said Rocco, McCaw perennially pushing the boundaries is what makes him so great, thats his job just ask any other openside flank, and hes the best in the world at it and if he was in your team, you wouldnt see it the way you described. It wasnt Marshall pulling on Bothas jersey, it was Cowan, and do you think the full blooded headbutt that followed was justified? There wasnt as much uproar then as there is with this thing. Sport24 loves to target the AB's to brew up anti-AB sentiment amongst Saffas, just look how many articles they have published on this incident, 4 so far!! I can guarantee there hasnt been anywhere near the coverage on this site for other thuggish incidents made by Saffas or any othe indiscretions.

      rocco.dewet.3 - 2012-11-28 02:28

      Well "Drumm" this happens to be a Saffa website... You are obviously trolling the wrong site if you are looking for unchallenged AB sycophants.

      rocco.dewet.3 - 2012-11-28 05:28

      Well now that you have concluded your research, why don't you buzz off somewhere where you could make a positive contribution. How about telling the ABs and the NZ Rugby supporters how wonderful they are on the relevant websites. I promise I will never visit the NZ Rugby websites to insult the ABs - I never have. Or are you going to spend the rest of your life telling the Boks and Saffa rugby supporters how cr@p we are? This choice would be commensurate with Trailer Park Boy picture you choose to present yourself with. Class up and do the right thing. Of is jy eintlik 'n suurgat Saffa?

      rocco.dewet.3 - 2012-11-28 08:26

      Neethling, you are completely misreading me. The All Blacks have clearly been the best team in the world for a long time now. And I respect them highly - my favorite "other"team. But I do not switch blood alliances based on performance. And I find thuggery unacceptable in any jersey, including the Boks. I would be happy to never see Greyling in a Bok jersey again. I am a South African. I do criticize my own people, but I remain loyal. I do not take kindly to backstabbers, to me or to my people. I would not walk into a bar in Auckland or London and slag the ABs or the English. And likewise, in the virtual world, I would never slag other nations or their teams on their websites. Nothing too unusual about that, I hope.

      rob.bancroft.94 - 2012-11-28 12:43

      joneethling, that is one of the most stupid comments I have ever read! Davies was running towards the same ball as Hore was. Since Davies was ahead there was no need to check if he was obstructing an AB. That is playing the game. It does not require loosing your temper as Hore obviously did. They are not doing ballroom dancing.

      donavan.boshoff - 2012-11-28 12:56

      @caleb sport24 have published 4 articles yet there is not a thing about it on the allblacks website, do you not find that a bit strange? You are asking us saffas to be objective while your own countrymen are burying their heads in the sand over it. Or is it purely because they feel they should be exempt from such laws as they are the poster boys of modern rugby and are bigger than the game?

      Caleb - 2012-11-29 04:47

      @ Rocco, I dont have to go anywhere, you obviously cant stand me pointing out your glaring biased comments. You anti All Black sentiments are not going to go unchallenged by me, this is the purpose of the forum, you dont own it and dont get to dictate who comments. You obviously know who the Trailer Park boys are so you have obviously watched it, another contradictory insult. You spend so much time trying to convince everyone how noble you are and that you never comment on NZ rugby websites, well good on you, I couldnt care less if you did or not. My comments are directed at the generally ignorant South African rugby fans that whinge about something whenever the AB's play. You claim to be this bastion of loyalty and you claim that you condemn rugby thuggery in any jersey, as do i. If you had bothered to view any of my other comments on this you would see that i repeatedly condemn Hores actions, but i will not stand for is the claim that the AB's are alone in preferential treatment by the IRB or the only team to commit foul acts in the history of the game, as most ignorant Saffas claim without actually doing any research.

      Caleb - 2012-11-29 04:48

      @ Dono, what are you talking about? I have found several articles on it on NZ websites.

  • stirrer.stirrer - 2012-11-27 13:35

    That's what you get if you have a hooker named Hore.

      sean.otto.9 - 2012-11-27 13:46


      justin.coetzee.5 - 2012-11-27 15:23

      @simone.dechandra.7 " Omg his surname sounds so similar to whore. Lol" Kettle call the pot black much? Troll much?

  • peter.neethling.7 - 2012-11-27 13:47

    Why do South African rugby supporters have such a persecution complex? Good grief.

      Flemstone - 2012-11-27 14:46

      I know. Its embarrassing. Yet when you ask them to provide evidence, they'll call you a traitor. Yes this is bad, typical cheap shot. We see them all the time. I don't think he intended to use the knee though. Andy Hazell got 14 weeks. And lets face it, that was seriously hardcore. I don't expect Hore to get more than Hazell. Some Bok fans are calling for a 2 year ban, LOL. I think 4 to 8 weeks for Hore is more than enough.

      caleb.drumm.1 - 2012-11-27 19:48

      Absolutely spot on Peter, they see an AB commit certainly an unacceptable foul but not isolated by any stretch and they call for his head. No worse than Greylings cheap shot, didnt see many going whinging about how SA is treated unfairly by IRB when he got two weeks only?

      rocco.dewet.3 - 2012-11-28 00:41

      Sorry Drumm, we did not notice McCaw being carried off on a stretcher. Or are you suggesting the Welshman was a very good actor?

      Caleb - 2012-11-28 01:15

      Im saying that the either he is a very good actor or the knockout blow (which was the knee) was probably accidental, as one would have to be absolutely spot on with the accuracy to knee someone in the head as they are going to ground. Certainly not defending Hore at all, he deserves a lengthy ban, but Davies knew Hore was screwed if he stayed down, Davies is no stranger to lengthy bans either, he was banned for 7 weeks in the Six nations this year for foul play. Takes one to know one .

      rocco.dewet.3 - 2012-11-28 02:24

      Well it is clearly beyond your objectivity to differentiate between an intended snot klap and a knock-out punch, trailer park boy. That is why McCaw got up easily and Davies had to spend the night in hospital. Your reliably suurgat comments never entertain and rarely illuminates.

      Caleb - 2012-11-28 04:39

      The same might be said about you, if you had actually watched the video from a couple of angles as i have, then you would also see that Hore never had a closed fist, now you are trying to say that Greylings forearm to the jaw of McCaw wasnt as bad!! The fact that McCaw got up is a testament to the man, you can be damn sure that Greyling hit him as hard as he could. You are clearly tainted by bias, its not me thats lacking the objectivity.You should really practice what you preach

      rocco.dewet.3 - 2012-11-29 05:25

      Perhaps you should watch some MMA. When somebody gets hits hard enough, they will go down, and they will stay down. A fern on the chest, or even a very thick skull does not protect your brain. Anyway, I already have a sense of your reasoning capacity, and I am obviously wasting my time here.

  • sean.bagley.50 - 2012-11-27 13:58

    Hore paraded the Webb Ellis trophy in Eden park infront of his All Black fans and now this.From hero to zero in no time Any blow to the side of neck with the edge of a hand or forearm inflicted by Andrew Hore on Bradley Davies is the most compelling.Very dangerous and it can seriously rupture the carotid artery of a person. Davies was very fortunate to only spent one night in hospital for it.Hore should get out of test rugby & rugby altogether & seriously consider taking up a career in cage fighting instead.He seems to be far more suited to do that kind of sport than he does for international rugby. I can see no reason at all why he shouldn't be prosecuted for causing serious bodily harm whether it be accidental or with intent. It reminds me of what Steve Finnane did on Graham Price in Australia v Wales in 1978 in breaking his jaw.The socalled hard men of rugby getting away with thuggery.Unprovoked violence in sport like this should have the maximum possible ban honestly.

      roy.wadhams.1 - 2012-11-27 14:58

      @simone.dechandra.7 would seem as if you are back with your STUPID comments. Thought by now that you would have grown-up but my mistake. When will you ever write a decent comment?

      selma.botha.9 - 2012-11-28 10:19

      Burger Geldenhuys suckerpunched Andy Dalton which resulted in a broken jaw for the Rebel tiour captain.

  • roy.wadhams.1 - 2012-11-27 14:25

    Hore,Craw & Adam Thompson and one or two other All Blacks get away many a time with dirty play and people call it "professional" fouls? They should punish players who do these things much harder than what is "permitted". This includes any of our Springboks.

  • FeebleGastro - 2012-11-27 14:39

    A sucker punch to a conscious man is bad (us men (many of us anyway) have all received (or dished!) at least one in our lives), but a knee drop to an unconscious man's temple who is lying out cold on a sports field is f*****g attempted murder. They don't even allow it in cage fights. Let's see what happens to the Keewee.

  • david.bassill - 2012-11-27 15:23

    Thomson got a week, Hore will probably get two. The IRB wraps these guys in cotton wool all the time.

  • jeremy002 - 2012-11-27 15:29

    Don't hold your breath waiting for justice against an All Black player. They almost always get away with it, or get a very lenient "tap on the knuckles". Yet the Boks are branded thugs. Quoted from the story above, "Howley backed Gatland's comments in the aftermath of the New Zealand match that the punch, administered from behind while Davies was off the ball, was uncharacteristic of the All Blacks." No kidding huh. They do it all the time, but get away with it, that's why it seems uncharacteristic. It only seems that way.

  • ej.smith.589 - 2012-11-27 16:39

    theres nothing else going for Wales except whinging. They whinge about Australia cheating and now this. I know they are a crap team but going on like this like a bunch of babies isnt helping out at all. Leave it to the citing commission and just focus on not getting your backsides wipped yet again this weekend.

  • - 2012-11-27 19:55


      simone.dechandra.7 - 2012-11-27 23:11

      Hitman Hore

      chrisin.oz.1 - 2012-11-27 23:35

      There is no way that you could ever mention the Bulls. And the All Blacks in one sentence. It was very difficult even for me to do it in the same paragraph. But one thing they have in common: when they are a little under pressure they start to fight. (PS: the Bulls have done a lot of fighting these past two years)

  • hendrik.schutte.3152 - 2012-11-27 21:35

    NOT out of character, specially not for Hore the Hooker. That's basically his standard game, as dirty as can be.

  • chrisin.oz.1 - 2012-11-27 23:19

    "He's been cited and I'm sure the citing commissioner won't take it too lightly." Yes, he will be very strict. He will give Hore a 1 week ban! Take that, All Blacks, you naughty boys.

  • johnson.burger.7 - 2012-11-28 07:28

    Hahaha piss off Wales, tell the police, man talk about over dramatic. he shoved him in the back and his knee knocked him out.

  • selma.botha.9 - 2012-11-28 10:17

    The sucker puch reminds of Burger Geldenhuys and Andy Dalton.

  • roan.murray - 2012-11-28 11:31

    We have seen MANY instances of this kind of thing from the All Thugs. They seem to be treated as if they are above the law.

  • mthunzi.phakathi - 2012-11-28 14:48

    Let us forget which team he plays for and any other sentimental rubbish. This bloke punched another player, and added a knee for good measure, that is conduct which is outside the scope of legal physical conduct in rugby. Now may we be objective irb.

  • robin.hartley.35 - 2012-11-29 10:24

    Indeed a shocking foul and the sentence is far too lienent for such a cowardly attack which resulted in serious injury to an unsuspecting player.A member of the public could well lay a cgarge if he is not properly punished to undying disgrace of rugby

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