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Gay Kiwis urged to come out

2013-01-06 09:46

Wellington - Gay rights advocates in New Zealand have called for a homosexual All Black player to openly declare his sexuality and act as a role model in the fight against bigotry.

Broadcaster Steve Gray told the Sunday Star-Times that he was aware there had been several gay All Blacks and that it was time for one to stand up and be counted.

The openly-gay TV presenter even said he had slept with one player, although none from the team have ever come out in the country where rugby is a national passion.

"Everyone always asks what his name was, but I can't remember. I don't know who the All Blacks are. But at the time I checked with a friend and it was totally true," he said.

His comments follow the appearance of English football star Matt Jarvis on the cover of British gay magazine Attitude.

Jarvis, who is married and straight, said it was time gay footballers felt comfortable enough to step forward and that they would receive support from within the football community.

Tony Simpson, chairperson of the gay rights group Rainbow Wellington, said he believed that if a homosexual All Black came out he was sure the majority of New Zealanders would back him.

"If an All Black was to come out I think most people would just say 'well, what does that have to do with the way he plays rugby?'.

"Some people will be hostile - some have never reconciled themselves to decriminalisation of homosexuality and try to debate it every time it comes up - but by and large most people have gotten over it," he said.

Former All Black centre Craig Innes joined the call for a gay All Black to step forward, saying it would be good for the young gay community to have a rugby role model to look up to.

"I'd admire someone who had the guts to do something like that," he said.

"It would obviously take a very brave person to do it, but if you look at Ian Roberts, who is probably the toughest, meanest rugby league player to ever play the game, he came out a few years ago and people hardly batted an eyelid."

Roberts, an Australian rugby league international, came out in 1995.

AFP

Comments
  • david.s.duncan.1 - 2013-01-06 09:58

    You can do it Ritchie

      RedForman101 - 2013-01-06 10:24

      Jona Homo?...sorry Lomo...typo

      homes.zona - 2013-01-06 10:26

      Red, still angry about being named after a crayon

      ShotLeft - 2013-01-06 10:27

      Skerp!

      jesibelle.krueger - 2013-01-06 10:36

      "Playing the ball on the ground" gets a whole new meaning...

      charlesbronson.bronson - 2013-01-06 11:09

      Why must he come out? Are you going to sponsor him Vaseline?

      christoffvstaden - 2013-01-06 11:57

      Why this obsession with what others do with their dicks? I don't understand why this expectation that if a man prefer to have s*x with a man you should make it into a big, public, coming-out drama. Who cares? So what if you have a boyfriend? There are bigger issues to deal with then be bothered about what people do in their bedrooms. As a gay guy I find this issue tedious.

      gay.theitis - 2013-01-06 12:06

      I always get my man in the end :-)))

      sean.bagley.50 - 2013-01-06 13:32

      "The openly-gay TV presenter even said he had slept with one player...Everyone always asks what his name was, but I can't remember." He must have been terrible in bed if you can't remember the fudge-packer you slept with.

      Amdyn - 2013-01-06 13:39

      Who cares.

      pierre.devilliers.9231 - 2013-01-07 08:27

      And there I thought they were all gay.

      adrien.mcguire - 2013-01-07 13:54

      @ Pierre Maybe the straight one should come out !

  • lara.vanrooyen.1 - 2013-01-06 09:59

    Anybody needing any heart medication?

      harry.strandloper.7 - 2013-01-06 12:26

      I put my cash on Tana Umaga !! Remember this in 2006 ?A handbag that reduced a strapping New Zealand All Black rugby hero to tears has gone on sale on the internet. Chris Masoe burst out crying when former All Black captain Tana Umaga hit him with the handbag to break up a night-club brawl. Maybe PDV was right in uttering the following ?? " do we want to go to the nearest ballet shop, get some nice tutus and get some dancing going on? There will be no eye-gouging, no tackling, no nothing. And then you'll enjoy it"

      goyougoodthing - 2013-01-07 06:07

      Harry your money would be safe from what I have been told, but who cares.

  • daryl.alexander.33 - 2013-01-06 10:07

    The sheep not good enough ey?

      pat.cam.167 - 2013-01-06 22:39

      @julius, funny how u know ALL the gay websites!!! u even took time out of your day to go and look this up??? i see your closet door is ALMOST OPEN!!!!

  • willie.duplessis.56 - 2013-01-06 10:09

    Come on boys... get out the closet! Who are the fairies? This will make rugby very interersting, especially when there is a ruck, maul etc. it will be over before you can say "who is gay agian?" :-)

      homes.zona - 2013-01-06 10:16

      Such a clever comment. If the guy is an All Black then I imagine he's survived far more rucks and mauls than you have

      Flemstone - 2013-01-06 10:57

      Willie there's a good chance your son might be gay. Would you call him a fairy if he came out the closet?

  • frans.vanderpoll - 2013-01-06 10:12

    So I take it Craig Innes is gay and the presenters surname is Gay not Gray?

  • raymond.mcnelly - 2013-01-06 10:13

    To fight against bigotry no less. What is this wold coming to?

  • homes.zona - 2013-01-06 10:14

    So sick of this gay evangelism. No one actually gives a f*** if you're gay anymore

      rodney.louis.7 - 2013-01-06 12:15

      the haka suddenly has a whole new meaning

      phoenix.px.5 - 2013-01-06 18:13

      Not true. People are still being killed all over the world for just being gay. Maybe you are sick of it; but tell that to people who are being beaten up and having walls collapsed on them (yup google that one)

      nervern - 2013-01-07 01:47

      And so are peodophiles...they are being imprisoned just coz they are born that way,lol.

      julius.malememba.7 - 2013-01-07 14:11

      So true Nervern ... ALL peodophiles make the same claim to the world as the gays do --- " we were born this way" ... but peodophilia is not YET acceptable ... not YET ... NAMBLA IS WORKING HARD ON CHANGING THAT!!

  • JohncarlosBiza - 2013-01-06 10:15

    It could evoke cheap taunts from the opposition to taint the player's game.

  • frans.vanderpoll - 2013-01-06 10:15

    I just love the way McCaw combs his hair and how he runs his fingers through it ever so often.

      homes.zona - 2013-01-06 10:18

      Still more of a man than you'll ever be

      brendon.greeff - 2013-01-06 19:09

      @lebeau Apparently a lot of the players were upset when Hennie le Roux came out.

      niki.wessels - 2013-01-07 07:19

      @brendon: When did Hennie le Roux come out? There were lots of rumours, but as far as I know he never admitted to being gay. Not that it makes any difference to me.

  • rohin.jadin - 2013-01-06 10:20

    I don't understand the need for ths. As stated - what does a persons sexual orientation have with their sorting abilities. Just looking at some comments below it's obvious that much homophobia exists, why subject some one to that. Also with rugby being such a close contact game, it would probably affect the team dynamics. Let sleeping dogs lie - and allow the person t one out if and when they want to.

      rohin.jadin - 2013-01-06 10:22

      *sporting not sorting

      homes.zona - 2013-01-06 10:24

      Well said. A person's sexual orientation is their own business. It shouldn't be hijacked by some self-promoting rights group to further it's own agenda.

      phoenix.px.5 - 2013-01-06 18:16

      Wrong. The more men, specifically in the sporting world, come out of the closet, the more it shows people that gay people are just ordinary people; and not perverted fairies who try and have s3x with children as portrayed by the Christian Evangelists who are pushing the 'kill the gays' bill in Uganda (amongst other places). People are being killed and beaten up all over the world and the more people come out of the closet, the more it becomes a non-issue. It helps others.

      raath - 2013-01-07 09:05

      If the other players have a problem playing with a gay team mate, then it's just that, their problem, and they need to deal with their homophobic issues.

      cherri.pye.5 - 2013-01-07 13:11

      I'm not sure why you have so many thumbs down, what you're saying makes perfect sense. Peoples sexual orientation really is no business of ours.

  • gvangreunen - 2013-01-06 10:25

    I'm not surprised - I've seen them dance!

      gus.fourie - 2013-01-06 10:45

      Didn't they win the 2012 line dancing championships????

      pat.cam.167 - 2013-01-06 12:00

      and add to that the rugby world cup and a CLEAN SWEEP of the 2012 rugby championship and super 15 rugby title and sevens title and and..............

      gvangreunen - 2013-01-06 13:07

      @pat.cam ... and ... they're still just a bunch of grown men who like to dance around and pull tongues at people!

      sean.bagley.50 - 2013-01-06 13:50

      @pat.cam.167 And the Poms dissected the All Blacks 38-21 at Twickenham last December.

      Caleb - 2013-01-06 22:26

      Aaah yeah for the first time in 10 years? Wow that puts them on the top of the world doesnt it.

      pat.cam.167 - 2013-01-06 22:53

      @sean-boy..... And the ALL BLACKS dissected the springsucks twice last year and made soweto there new home ground!!! 2 - 0!!! so wot u on about???

  • izan.botes.7 - 2013-01-06 10:25

    wtf!

  • gustav.klopper.5 - 2013-01-06 10:28

    Everyone always asks what his name was, but I can't remember. He slept with the guy but can't even remember his name. Profound statement, speaks volumes.

      raath - 2013-01-07 09:07

      Maybe he is just saying that to protect his privacy. You can't make such an assumption. Yes, it sounds suspect, but you can't just jump to that conclusion.

  • lybon1 - 2013-01-06 10:30

    Come on MA'A NONU you can do it.....hv sum courage buddy.....

      lybon1 - 2013-01-06 11:18

      Whats wrong with calling some1 who is hypothetically gay 'buddy'???????.....do you know something i dont know???

      doug.evans.56863 - 2013-01-07 16:11

      what does it matter to you if he is in or out of the closet ? do you feel you have a chance ? Just asking ... I hear what Lebeau is trying to say . Lebeau you prove your own point too by the way ...

  • frans.delport - 2013-01-06 10:30

    Jeez I bet the forwards will feel very uncomfortable next time they do a scrum, touch.. Ooh la la.. hold.. oh my gosh.. Engage.. Oh wait what?

      diana.gill.18 - 2013-01-06 19:15

      Normally engagement is followed by church marriage performed by gay bishop.

  • Goddard Morrie - 2013-01-06 10:36

    Tackling other men must have been heaven for them! lol

  • tommy.rinrin - 2013-01-06 10:40

    ... How intimidating the Haka dance will be? ...

  • Lethabo - 2013-01-06 10:44

    this article is boring n whatz with this tv presenter?is he Ok mentally? Yho i dnt think so who can ever forget some1 s/he had sex with? Especially when he's famuos....thats insaine n please stop bothering people about their sexuality dont u think this guy knwz his time to do that?

  • vic.hammond.77 - 2013-01-06 10:45

    Come on Guys, play the Gayme !! Crouch..... Touch......I think I like you !!

  • Goddard Morrie - 2013-01-06 10:45

    i always wondered what the all blacks recipe for their defense success is... they make sure they get their man on the field!

  • Kwanele Mzwanele Masoka - 2013-01-06 10:46

    While I wouldn't support an AB coming clean to solely enhance other people's agenda, but I'd respect him for letting people know his true self.

      Kwanele Mzwanele Masoka - 2013-01-07 16:49

      @labeau.harper; There are situations where you find that some individuals are oppressed by the society such that they are somewhat afraid to come clean about their preferances for the fear of victimisation... Now my point was I'd respect an individual who despite all the odds, comes out and let people know the truth and let them accept him the way he is without explaining or apollogising for being himself.

  • maureen.churchill.9 - 2013-01-06 10:47

    Leave the players alone, if they are gay and wish to keep it in the cupboard, that is their bally business. So what! Does being gay make them any less of a player.

  • Kieran Harrop - 2013-01-06 10:47

    i like how this clown says he slept with one but cant remember his name hahahaha.

      tommy.rinrin - 2013-01-06 10:54

      yeah ha ha, he must hav been the reciever! ...

      Lethabo - 2013-01-06 10:55

      kwaaaaakz i think he's mad hahahahaha

      Fishlus - 2013-01-06 15:02

      Maybe he slipped the player a mickey and then jumped him. when the palyer woke up and found out the player jumped him and beat tthe cr@p out of him and now he suffers from amnesia

      sicelo.brukwe.9 - 2013-01-07 08:34

      He slept with all of them and he's just blinding us!!

  • ljmostert - 2013-01-06 10:49

    I'm not surprised! More and more teams are wearing pink jerseys!!

      peter.horn.3576 - 2013-01-06 11:02

      Entire Bulls tram will come outta closet soon!

  • leaproach.thekeeper - 2013-01-06 10:53

    Har har har ROTFLMFAO. Always thought that guy...ahem, the one that does the underpants ads, is a bit of a poofter.

      Jimmy NZ - 2013-01-06 11:28

      That guy's name is Dan Carter and apart from being married and expecting his first child, he's probably slept with more South African female models than the entire bok team...

      ryan.stephen.07 - 2013-01-06 20:38

      Here comes JimmyNZ again from potgietersrus

      graham.v.ferreira - 2013-01-07 15:16

      Is sheep disease contagious? If so I'm going to have to lay off the models.

      leaproach.thekeeper - 2013-01-10 20:57

      Hey Jimmy.....the JTC....many poofters are married with children and to their better half's dismay, only get out of the closet many years after marriage.

  • Grant Henry - 2013-01-06 10:55

    Oh please the whole point why they created game, Rugby was so that men could touch each other in public without having to come out of the closet.

      Lethabo - 2013-01-06 10:57

      hahahahahahahahahahaha ur killing me hahaha kwaaaakz

      lybon1 - 2013-01-06 11:12

      Lol....hahahaha

      more.pido - 2013-01-06 11:51

      joweeeee henry

  • peter.philips.568 - 2013-01-06 11:07

    I have no prejudice against gays, That is the way nature made them. However, I do find their being so pushy about it irritating! For goodness sake, stop trying to force the man to do something he obviously does not want to do!

      graham.v.ferreira - 2013-01-07 15:17

      More pressure in the rear lads.

  • leaproach.thekeeper - 2013-01-06 11:10

    You guys know what they call an All Black with his hands tied to the goal post and his broeks on his ankles……A PLAYSTATION.

      Derek Chapman - 2013-01-06 11:27

      lol brilliant

  • garthlwilliams - 2013-01-06 11:19

    Rugby is so gay anyway. Bunch of muscle admiring crotch and ass grabbing Neanderthals.

      eddie.vanmeyeren - 2013-01-06 13:54

      So YOU are the ballerina type infestation! Boet, play the game, but I doubt it you keyboard typing, Dungeons and Dragons playing type POOF!

  • Sammy Willow - 2013-01-06 11:24

    gays in rugby is old news, there is even a sprinbok who played in a winning world cup team that is bi sexual

      Anthony - 2013-01-06 21:22

      How do u know Sam.......lol

  • joe.gomes1 - 2013-01-06 11:25

    Why is it that gays are hellbent on making their lifestyles acceptable to everyone else. Or is it that they need new young blood? whatever it is, many of us find your lifestyles revolting and find your pathetic attempts at being like woman disgraceful. So Stay in the closet and keep the door shut.

      christoffvstaden - 2013-01-06 12:09

      Exactly how is a gay rugby player womanlike? There are many gay men who place a high value on masculinity, so don't you think you should stop embarrassing yourself by making assumptions about something you clearly know nothing about?

      julius.malememba.7 - 2013-01-06 12:45

      christoffvstaden ... being gay and being masculine is mutually exclusive you buttlover ... you may have muscles --- so do women ... and some of them will squeeze the crap out of a mokken foffie like you

      christoffvstaden - 2013-01-06 13:52

      @julius don't even bother with your fake profile. Where is your manliness, mate? Where is your masculinity when you can't even show your face and have to use a fake profile to insult others. Yeah, right, thought so! Nutter!

      julius.malememba.7 - 2013-01-06 14:00

      christoffvstaden ... you travel under a fake ID --- So who is the real fake mokken foffie????

      christoffvstaden - 2013-01-06 14:18

      @julius canning myself over your lack of intelligence... You have it bad!

      julius.malememba.7 - 2013-01-06 14:40

      @Christomokkenfoffie ... after u have canned yourself mokken foffie ... you will be in a can ... and still far from being a man ... that why u need to be near one ?? so u caN TOUCH what u r not??

      christoffvstaden - 2013-01-06 20:24

      @Julius whatever blows your skirt kid. Fortunately your remarks or lack of intelligence have no bearing on my happiness. As a str8 man you come across as being rather obsessed with other guys' d!cks, don't you think? Or do you secretly wish that butt-plug in your ar$e was the real thing?

      lydonmcg - 2013-01-07 08:53

      And many of us find the ignorant opinions of fat, ugly old men just as revolting. Please shut the door and don't break a hip on the way out.

  • she.is.here.777 - 2013-01-06 11:32

    Been a while since I've seen so much excitement (by the men) on this forum. Must be a rugby thing hehe!

  • Phobos777 - 2013-01-06 11:32

    Gay Kiwis are called to repent and believe on Christ!

      julius.malememba.7 - 2013-01-07 14:36

      why only only the gay Kiwi's?

  • lybon1 - 2013-01-06 11:34

    I expect the entire black caps team to 'come out of the closet' after the south african tour......now that wont suprise me

      sihle.zondie - 2013-01-06 19:18

      Now that's what i call being beaten to admission

  • george.mlambo.315 - 2013-01-06 12:01

    It is nolonger All Blacks it is now All Gayz

      gay.theitis - 2013-01-06 12:07

      Alleluia!!

      Jimmy NZ - 2013-01-06 13:45

      Those gay's beat the sh#t out of the bokkies... Kinda makes you wonder!

      julius.malememba.7 - 2013-01-06 14:07

      Yes Jimmy ... it makes u wonder ... just what did those nutgrabbing gays in black really do to ANY opposing team in the "tight" phases ... who's balls got grabbed in the "loose" ... and what is the real message of the HAKA ... ??

  • gay.theitis - 2013-01-06 12:06

    I always get my man in the end :-)))

  • paulus.berendt - 2013-01-06 12:24

    how is the Ama-bokoboko doing so far I mean we r talking rugby here. if the All Blacks r doing it just askin?

  • sihle.zondie - 2013-01-06 12:30

    Come on now Ritchie,man up

      Jimmy NZ - 2013-01-06 13:43

      Crisis bro, rather don't insult in English as you look pretty stupid! Matric in Limpopo province perhaps?

      sihle.zondie - 2013-01-06 15:16

      Easy buddy,why do you have your panties in a knot,i'm just encouraging yo B.F to come clean

      ryan.stephen.07 - 2013-01-06 20:45

      Yep, JimmyNZ gives away his identity as an insecure South African with an identity Crisis

  • FeebleGastro - 2013-01-06 12:43

    I agree, Reechee the Keewee must get out of the closet.

  • bone.marrow.501 - 2013-01-06 13:05

    So ladies stop dreaming bout that rugby player...He's Gay. Hahahahahaha.

      sicelo.brukwe.9 - 2013-01-07 12:49

      Hahaha no, I mean big no because our gurls eat everything!!

  • bruce.westoby.9 - 2013-01-06 13:41

    Come on Stormers - why dont you do the same !!

  • Jimmy NZ - 2013-01-06 13:46

    Holy cr@p, saffa's are generally a stupid bunch!

      julius.malememba.7 - 2013-01-06 14:02

      Jimmy ... NZ landers are genrally a gay bunch!!!! And they love cr@p ...

      Jimmy NZ - 2013-01-06 14:44

      But yet, the saffa girls love us!

      julius.malememba.7 - 2013-01-06 14:55

      ... yes Jimmy ... if I was to take a gay, lying, cheating NZlander's word for it ... but then it now seems that some of our saffa boys (Christoffvstaden) like you even more ... bend over like Ritchie = NZ VERSION OF BEND IT LIKE bECKHAM??

      miki.beukes - 2013-01-07 00:32

      Jimmy hope that I'll never cross paths with u cause I will slap you so hard for just calling Saffa's stupid and yes people Saffa's will make comments like these not because we're rude but because its humouristic and pls don't be so touchy ,Pls think about urging Gay kiwis to come out and expecting the worlds rugby nations not to say anything about it whether good or bad!!

      miki.beukes - 2013-01-07 00:32

      Jimmy hope that I'll never cross paths with u cause I will slap you so hard for just calling Saffa's stupid and yes people Saffa's will make comments like these not because we're rude but because its humouristic and pls don't be so touchy ,Pls think about urging Gay kiwis to come out and expecting the worlds rugby nations not to say anything about it whether good or bad!!

      Jimmy NZ - 2013-01-07 07:48

      Wow miki, you and julius are kinda proving my point! I said generally! Read your newspapers and you'll see what I mean! It's starts at the top and seems to flow down through the masses! I'm in JHB, so anytime you've got some spare time, but I'm not driving to boxburg!

      sicelo.brukwe.9 - 2013-01-07 08:21

      It seems like Jimmy you're one of the plumbers!!

      Jimmy NZ - 2013-01-07 09:09

      I must be, but yet coming from the likes of you, I don't feel so bad... Go get your teeth fixed!

      julius.malememba.7 - 2013-01-07 09:53

      Hey Jimmy ol sock .... visit Sea Point much?? I understand most All Black supporters in the gay Capital of SA come from there ... maybe time for you to move there also?? You should "fit" right in with the locals ...

      dylan.claude.752 - 2013-01-07 19:38

      @jimmyNZ.dont waste your timé or breath commenting here.the saffas are too narrow minded to see any good in the all blacks or nz.ironically,they are most likely the ones who immagrated to nz to get out of sa.so what if there are so called gay rugby players in the all blacks team.how about we say the same to them about their sport heroes ie.jacques kallis in a shower for sanex.few springboks also in showers advertising shields deo.chad le cleo,ryk neethling.ffs.sa is not the best country in the world and their sport stars are not perfect either.so what if some all blacks are gay.sure the boks didn't complain about some manly love.ha ha ha ha haaaaa.

      sihle.zondie - 2013-01-11 23:40

      Come on now jimmy,you know we awesome.we'll adopt you cos we are your Daddy

  • abner.mophethe - 2013-01-06 14:42

    so they forGAYt names?

  • 0001000ghost - 2013-01-06 15:13

    I thought they were all gay ;) (chuckle)

  • ran.map.7 - 2013-01-06 15:14

    They (AB's) really skillful with the ball/.

  • vern.huen - 2013-01-06 15:32

    I have a baby girl 16 months old. If she chooses a same sex partner that is fine with her Mum and I, as long as she is happy and respects the sexual orientation of others. Rugby is a game for all and there shouldn't be any discrimination against anyones, race, religious beliefs or choice of partner in life. My family are All Black supporters and always will be regardless of whether we win or lose or the sexual preferences of our players. Just enjoy the game for what it is.

  • rory.n.price - 2013-01-06 17:39

    Must've played tight head

  • duncan.gill1 - 2013-01-06 19:05

    What's the big deal..the whole Western Province rugby team is gay...didn't anyone know?

      sicelo.brukwe.9 - 2013-01-07 08:14

      How do you know that, did they pomp you!!

      diana.gill.18 - 2013-01-07 10:09

      sicelo perhaps they refused to pomp you , thats how you know they not gay.

  • fanie.essgee - 2013-01-06 20:01

    Ag what next, so WTF if there are Gay players, does it make them any less of rugby players..... Let them be.....

  • eugene.beyers.14 - 2013-01-06 23:04

    The Springboks were beaten by gay men LMAOOOOO.......I'm sure the Pretoria okes (Buur en braai vleis ouens) are not happy about this