England stun All Blacks

2012-12-01 18:30

London - England ended world champions New Zealand's 20-match unbeaten run with a stunning 38-21 victory at Twickenham on Saturday.

Tries from Brad Barritt, Chris Ashton and Manu Tuilagi helped England, who had been 15-0 up early in the second half, stave off an All Black fightback that saw the visitors close to within a point at 15-14.

This was England's record margin of victory over the All Blacks, surpassing a 13-0 success in 1936 and their record score against New Zealand, beating the 31 points they managed in a 31-28 win in 2002.

It was only England's seventh win in 35 Tests against New Zealand and their first since 2003.

Owen Farrell may have been a shock choice alongside New Zealand's Dan Carter as one of four nominees for the International Rugby Board player of the year award, but he outplayed his opposing flyhalf in a first half that ended with England, against all pre-match predictions, 12-0 ahead.

In all the 21-year-old kicked 17 points as England ended 2012 on a huge high and ensured New Zealand captain Richie McCaw's last match before a six-month break ended in defeat.

England made just one change from the starting side that lost 16-15 to South Africa at Twickenham last week, with Farrell in for the injured Toby Flood.

New Zealand made three changes from the team that beat Wales 33-10, with Carter in for Aaron Cruden, experienced hooker Keven Mealamu replacing the suspended Andrew Hore, banned for his punch on Welsh lock Bradley Davies, and Brodie Retallick preferred in the second row to Luke Romano.

England knocked New Zealand out of their stride, both in the forwards and the backs.

And when New Zealand had a chance to open the scoring in the 15th minute the normally reliable Carter was off-target with a 39m penalty.

Soon afterwards England, from a scrum penalty, kicked into the New Zealand 22m area to set up a series of attacking lineouts.

The ball was worked cross-field only for Ashton to drop a pass from fullback Alex Goode metres out from the New Zealand line.

But the All Blacks had infringed earlier in the move and Farrell kicked the resulting close-range penalty.

Minutes later Carter, Test rugby's all-time leading points scorer, missed his second penalty attempt when a 31m effort went wide.

In open play England were forcing turnovers, as well as other All Black errors, and Farrell kicked a 40m penalty to put the hosts 6-0 ahead in the 32nd minute.

England then disrupted a New Zealand lineout and from the drive forward, Farrell dropped a goal.

And there as still for Farrell to extend England's lead to 12-0 with a 45m penalty.

England were 12-0 in front against a New Zealand side that had not lost since a 25-20 defeat by Australia in Brisbane in August 2011.

Early in the second half England went further ahead when, after their pack had forced a New Zealand scrum collapse, Farrell made no mistake with a difficult, 41m penalty from the right to leave his side 15-0 in front.

But after a break by New Zealand's Cory Jane set up a lineout deep in England's 22, the ball was worked across field and left wing Julian Savea, despite the presence of four England players, went in for the first try of the match. Carter converted and England's lead had been cut to 15-7.

Two minutes later New Zealand crossed England's line again, good work by Jane and Conrad Smith sending No 8 Kieran Read for another converted try.

England were now just 15-14 up but they then stemmed the All Black recovery with three tries of their own in a dramatic 10-minute spell.

Good interplay between centres Brad Barritt an Manu Tuilagi, saw South Africa-born Barritt cross in the 52nd minute.

Five minutes later England won quick ball off a lineout and Tuilagi smashed his way past Carter before sending in Ashton.

Farrell missed both conversions but there as better to come for England when Tuilagi intercepted Read's pass and sprinted over for a try.

England replacement Freddie Burns kicked two penalties and although Savea scored his second try, it was too little too late for the All Blacks.



Tries: Brad Barritt, Chris Ashton, Manu Tualagi.

Conversion: Owen Farrell.

Penalties: Farrell (4), Freddie Burns (2).

Drop goal: Farrell.

New Zealand:

Tries: Julian Savea (2), Keiran Read.

Conversions: Dan Carter (2), Aaron Cruden.



15 Alex Goode, 14 Chris Ashton, 13 Manu Tuilagi, 12 Brad Barritt, 11 Mike Brown, 10 Owen Farrell, 9 Ben Youngs, 8 Ben Morgan, 7 Chris Robshaw (captain), 6 Tom Wood, 5 Geoff Parling, 4 Joe Launchbury, 3 Dan Cole, 2 Tom Youngs, 1 Alex Corbisiero

Substitutes: 16 David Paice, 17 David Wilson, 18 Mako Vunipola, 19 Courtney Lawes, 20 James Haskell, 21 Danny Care, 22 Freddie Burns, 23 Jonathan Joseph

New Zealand:

15 Israel Dagg, 14 Cory Jane, 13 Conrad Smith, 12 Ma'a Nonu, 11 Julian Savea, 10 Dan Carter, 9 Aaron Smith, 8 Kieran Read, 7 Richie McCaw (captain), 6 Liam Messam, 5 Sam Whitelock, 4 Brodie Retallick, 3 Owen Franks, 2 Keven Mealamu, 1 Tony Woodcock

Substitutes: 16 Dane Coles, 17 Wyatt Crockett, 18 Charlie Faumuina, 19 Luke Romano, 20 Victor Vito, 21 Piri Weepu, 22 Aaron Cruden, 23 Ben Smith

Referee: George Clancy (IRL)


  • Ollie - 2012-12-01 18:31

    And they did it by playing through the backs, Meyer take notes!

      caleb.drumm.1 - 2012-12-01 18:37

      I agree, the most likely way to beat the AB's is too play their style of rugby, and England did that today. Defensive styles and ticking over 3 point opportunities is not likely to produce a winning formula, 9 times out of 10.

      nzbro.allblack - 2012-12-01 18:38

      no excuses. well done england. we accept the loss graciously . better now AB's than 2015.

      wade.johnson.58726 - 2012-12-01 19:02

      Ha ha !

      tebogo.kumalo.3 - 2012-12-01 19:02

      Yes, a well deserved win!! Still the Boks cannot play this class type of rugby displayed today between this two teams. Remember the AB players was not 100%, they suffered a bug in their camp reported already during the week. The same happend to them in the 1995 WC final. Make you THINK is'nt it!!!

      vark.nek.90 - 2012-12-01 19:10

      @tebogo.kumalo.3 Really? Read the news dude. It is currently an epidemic in that country. Difference. The AB's complained as usual. Must be quiet in a certain club house in Paarl tonight.

      rocco.dewet.3 - 2012-12-01 19:31

      The ability of some of the group of mostly fake New Zealanders on this website to be gracious in defeat should be respected. However, to be regarded as classy, the important extra step is to also become humble in victory. Like typical, real New Zealanders. But I guess that would be a bridge too far for a group mostly defined by hate, resulting in the desire to belittle their own country's national team, or petulance, resulting in the desire to belittle another country's national team and their supporters in their back yard. Having said all that, I want to congratulate the ABs on an incredible run of victories, and an incredible run of no defeats. The are still clearly the number one team in the world, and the way they play rugby remains an inspiration. Real New Zealanders should be very proud. I can only hope that the Boks, the team that represents my national team, can morph into an outfit that can actually really challenge the ABs on occasion next year. But we have a long way to travel before we get there

      johan.lombaard.3 - 2012-12-01 19:56

      Sorry, but I think this places S A Clean Sweep in a new light. All you negative South African supporters that like to criticise HM, I like winning rugby more than exiting rugby. Go and support France and you will have exiting rugby every week but your team will lose 50% of all the games.

      wade.johnson.58726 - 2012-12-01 20:26

      @tebogo: Dude, you dunno what you're talking about, & you clearly have a chip on your shoulder. Don't lecture the Boks on their flaws, when your Bafana Bafana are ranked 84th in the World. LOSERS

      jan.scheepers.927 - 2012-12-01 22:06

      How do you beat the All Blacks playing the modern game? You play the modern game better than them! Well done England, it was such a pleasure watching you after watching our boring game all season. When is your next game?

      omge.klits - 2012-12-02 01:31

      What absolute rubbish comments - England pulverised them upfront and used their big backs to get accross the advantage line. None of the twinklytoe stuff relentlessly being stuffed down our throats by the cape cabal . . . . .

      jco.vanrooyen - 2012-12-02 01:37

      Now where are the DOOM SYERS? You guys who comment how bad Heyneke Meyer's coaching is, must swallow your comments. I told you before and I am telling you again, "THIS SO CALLED RUNNING RUGBY BY THE AB'S , who only scored tries from mistakes of other teams, was out class by England! Thanks Heyneke, thanks Bokke you beat the so called "SECOND CLASS" Northern hemisphere team. But then the "SECONDCLASS HEMISPHERE TEAM" beat the WORLD CHAMPS! Bok supporter for life!

      rocco.dewet.3 - 2012-12-02 02:44

      What is it with this Cape Cabal thing? Been reading a few to many conspiracy theories? I am a WP and Bok supporter, but support all Saffa teams against any overseas competition. What the heck are you talking about? Easy on the Klippies...

      omge.klits - 2012-12-02 03:45

      Cape Cabal = mostly the fake cape kiwi supporters and the Heyneke bashers (for no reason other than the fact that he doesn't play midgets and sometimes with undertones of neo-racism thrown in to critisize selections and gameplans) . . . . Typical representatives of teh species include cape.maori, dean.greeves, caleb.drumm.1, gawie.triff, Jimmy NZ, NZAllBlack and Crisinoz.1

      rocco.dewet.3 - 2012-12-02 05:46

      I take it you mean Travie Griff? I have never read one comment from Travie Griff' that was not well considered. And he happens to be a Shark supporter. One of the few smart people contributing here without brandishing a small minded political agenda. Chrisinoz makes reasonable contributions too. I have nothing against the Blue Bulls, but have been aghast at some decisions HM has been making this year, so I have been criticizing him too. Does that make me a member of the Cape Cabal? To test you own objectivity what kind of report card would you have given Alister Coetzee if he made the same type of choices (e.g. hanging on to Peter Grant if he kept missing most of his kicks) and had the same type of record in his year as HM. Why do I just know that you would have ridiculed him. That disease my friend is called parochialism

      bullet.proof.9400 - 2012-12-02 10:02

      AB will have to send out more talent scouts to Fiji, Samoa and Tonga for more talent to ensure their winning ways. Without them the AB and their 7's side are useless. So South SeaIslanders beware, more talent thieves on there way.

      paul.coetzee1 - 2012-12-02 10:05

      Klits: Fact is that of the 12 trophies up for grabs in 2012, 11 of them are ensconced in the 'Cape Cabals' trophy cabinet. Add to that the Sa Rugby player of the year, Young Player of the year and IRB try of the year. Your Pinkies came within a ball hair of playing in a relegation match. Bring on 2013. :)

      simone.dechandra.7 - 2012-12-02 10:08

      So if the Boks beat England by 1 points and the All Blacks lost by 17, does that make us awesome or what?

      pierre.devilliers.9231 - 2012-12-02 10:23

      Ha-ha, Omge.Klits got quite a few thumbs up there. But thanks for the list of the Cape Cabal (although it might not be 100%). Its good to know who you dealing with. Then none of HM’s decisions were easy. It is easy to say now that he should have replaced M Steyn, but I for one am not in favour of replacing players after a bad game or two. I still strongly favour Morne Steyn in the SA squad. One needs to retain experience. Players have off periods. Example was Danial Carter this weekend, he did not kick well on Saturday against England, but you don't hear NZ screaming for his head. That is one thing NZ does a lot better than us and that is retaining experience.

      adriaan.olivier.589 - 2012-12-02 10:29

      HM doesn't need to take notes, his team beat england with old-school unattractive rugby, and nz couldn't beat england with modern, exciting, running rugby, that's case closed in my book.

      derek.francois.3 - 2012-12-02 18:48

      @wade just because tebogo ia black you now assume he doesn't have an opinion on rugby and should worry about bafana bafana that is really DOFF...........................

      wade.johnson.58726 - 2012-12-02 19:21

      @derek: If you look at all of Tebogo's comments, it is clear that he's one of those people, who supports any team who's playing against the Springboks. Believe me, there are many people who do the same in SA.The fact that he thinks that we weren't worthy winners in 1995, shows that he's still holding a grudge. Yes, he has an opinion, but its based mainly on emotion.

      tert.lepa - 2012-12-02 20:28

      When are they the All blackies going to compain about food poisoning or some other stupid excuse like they normally do.

      wade.johnson.58726 - 2012-12-03 04:51

      @tert: ...uuum, they already have.

  • christian.denyschen - 2012-12-01 18:33

    Not so unbeatable now are they well played poms. Bokke only unbeatable team on tour!!

      Flemstone - 2012-12-01 19:14

      daspoort.vandaspoort - November 30, 2012 at 21:06 Sorry to say, but the Northern hemisphere teams are just not good enough to beat the South. For the first time since 2008 the Boks won all their end-of-year tour games. And we played CRAP!!! And we still won. The northern hemisphere teams only win or get a sniff of it, due to really poor performances by the south.

      rocco.dewet.3 - 2012-12-01 19:15

      I am grateful that the Bokke was not defeated, but don't get carried away here, We only scraped through against teams that the ABs absolutely hammered, except for England.

      Flemstone - 2012-12-01 19:19

      SA has been having close calls against the NH for years now. So has Australia. Its only NZ that has really dominated, and today is quite a revelation. Good team effort from England. Bring on the 6 nations. I'm hoping to hear from Daspoort.

      pierre.devilliers.9231 - 2012-12-02 07:36

      The AB's are still no1 and will be back stronger than ever. But give England credit, they played well (also France that beat Australia earlier). The Springboks had a good tour, so all credit there. Hopefully SA will go on and be more competitive in the Rugby Championship next year.

  • sean.bagley.50 - 2012-12-01 18:35

    @cape-moari,caleb.drumm.1,Jimmy NZ,NZAllBlack Where are you clowns now with your 20 game unbeaten record and gloating?England have bisected your sheep****ing a**es all conquering & can't lose All Blacks.The Boks at laest have beaten the Poms even if it was only by 1 point.England scored 3 tries against you tossers and could not even score one against the Boks.That 38-21 scoreline should've been much higher had Farell kicked all his goals.

      caleb.drumm.1 - 2012-12-01 18:44

      We're right here and much more gracious in defeat than you ever have been. Unlike you or your countrymen we dont look for excuses or conspiracies everytime we lose. England were better on the day and we accept that. You drew against Argentina this year mate and got spanked in the RC, i wouldnt be crowing from the rooftop if i were you, spoon. You are hilarious. 95% win rate this season, vs what, about 50% for Springboks? whos the tosser now.

      caleb.drumm.1 - 2012-12-01 18:45

      Oh yeah and Carter missed two goals also, so the margin would have been the same, you constantly astound me with your idiot comments

      niel.walt - 2012-12-01 18:46

      1 game in 21? And u carry on like this? Only tosser here is u my friend. Boks play bad and its long season this, injuries that blah blah. Ab's flat with illness and lose 1 game in 21. 100 times better game then that lucky offside try win rubbish we had to suffer through last weekend.

      chez.kri - 2012-12-01 19:00

      @Caleb. "No excuses"? What about the mystery "bug"? The sad thing for the AB's now is that the refs have at last court on to all the cheating - hence all the penalty's! And as for that dumb haka where all the other teams are forced to stand to attention - I hope its days are shortly numbered. Maybe the IRB will get its nose out of the AB's b*ms and see that stupid little dance for what it is-a silly tradition that means nothing to anyone other than New Zealanders.

      donovan.hendricks.7 - 2012-12-01 19:04

      @sean,I'm afraid Caleb is right we are the tossers around these parts because we have a tosser as a coach,as one blogger earlier remarked,'that's how rugby should be played' and tosser boy HM will unfortunately have none of that,nevertheless great win England,as for Cape Maori,that dude is still very much living in the past.

      sean.bagley.50 - 2012-12-01 19:04

      @caleb.drumm.1 "95% win rate this season" Yeah keep telling yourself that.All I know that it's bloody hilarious when England's record win over New Zealand surpasses a 1936 13-0 record win which they last had.That to me is extremely funny. A new record win by the Poms of all people over cheats and swinging arm from behind thugs known as the All Blacks.And all that despite playing with the biggest cheat in the game,Richie McCaw,aka I'll get the IRB Player of the year award regardless and the "best flyhalf" Dan Carter.Already England fans are saying this win is bigger than the 1966 FWC win.

      donovan.hendricks.7 - 2012-12-01 19:09

      @sean,I'm afraid Caleb is right we are the tossers around these parts nowadays because we have a tosser as a coach,as one blogger earlier remarked,'that's how rugby should be played' and tosser boy HM will unfortunately have none of that,nevertheless great win England,as for Cape Maori,that dude is still very much living in the past.

      tebogo.kumalo.3 - 2012-12-01 19:11

      @Sean...Stop boasting about the Poms victory, as it is you hate them, so why do you rave about their win. It is quite clear you suffer from memory loss. What did the ABs do to the Boks. Not last year or the year before THIS YEAR in Soweto? Plse respond.

      niel.walt - 2012-12-01 19:18

      Chez. Pls stop watching rugby as u r not a fan of the game at all. The haka is legendary and is part of rugby history.

      donovan.hendricks.7 - 2012-12-01 19:19

      @Sean,I'm afraid Caleb is right we are the tossers in rugby in these parts nowadays bcause we have a tosser as a coach,as one blogger earlier remarked:'that's how rugby should be played, but unfortunately tosser boy HM will have none of that.fact is our rugby is not up to standard under tosser boy HM

      sean.bagley.50 - 2012-12-01 20:06

      tebogo.kumalo.3 For your information,Soweto man,it's not about the Poms winning,for which I don't give a flying ****,but its the attention everybody gives the All Blacks,their HAKA garbage,unbeaten runs,that's all so irritating. All day today from 7h00am this morning till 12 noon for example,Skysports News devoted an entire program just on the All Blacks and their playing style of rugby.World Champions or not, but why on earth spend so much time on just one bloody team? Sean Fitzpatrick saying last night on the rugby club "New Zealand will put at least 20 points past England in their win over them...minimum of 20 points".Well he got the 1st half of his comment right in the putting of 20 points on the score board,but sadly far too often they so "windgat" these All Blacks that they can't see anything else but a win for themselves. The Poms have knocked them off their perch,which is long overdue.In fact 10 years overdue losing in the Northern Hemisphere that is and then they thought they were indistructible.The Poms did the same thing to the Boks in 1998 ending our 17 wins unbeaten run under Nick Mallet also in December.They good at that and even better than the French when it comes to setting new records,winning or losing that is. Start coming down earth a little more you All Blacks and then defeats like this won't be as shocking to the system & to your nation back home as many makes it out to be.

      chez.kri - 2012-12-01 22:23

      @neil.walt. Just because you blindly follow the AB's does not make their little dance legendary. And just because I don't like it, does not mean I am not a rugby fan. It means I am not a sheep-like fan of NZ culture. Do not assume to know what I am a fan of.

      caleb.drumm.1 - 2012-12-01 23:13

      @ Chez, no one ever used the bug as an excuse, you wont find that been used anythwere, so i dont know where you are getting your facts from. RE- Haka, i kind of agree with you and think it should only be used in our own country. Sean, you are a sad liitle man, I will keep telling myself 95% win rate in a season is great, because thats the truth, you keep telling yourself that the Boks COULD NOT EVEN ONCE beat the AB's this year. No one from NZ or NZ mediaa has said that NZ were indestructible, you will only find foreign media discussing that. Why is this NZ's fault that Sky Sports in another country devotes so much time to reviewing the style of rugby that everyone likes. Your bitterness is howing through, and you act like this after one loss for the AB's, you are definately showing who the tosser is.

      dylan.claude.752 - 2012-12-02 00:50

      Dude,it seems you have no respect for any nations heritage nor understanding.the HAKA is a war cry to lay down a challenge and all that you saffas can do is chant ole ole ole.asses like yourself dont even understand what you chanting cause you are too narrow minded and too selfish to allow another nation to express their passion as it currently shows how things are in this forsaken you would say in afrikaans,naai jou maaitjie.NZ is smaller than the free state and look how many records they have achieved compared to sa rugby will never achieve what the all blacks have achieved but you would allways say that the boks are the best.wondering how blind or arrogant you are to appreciate what the all blacks and nz have done for world the way the HAKA is more of a attraction to world rugby than the saffas who chant ole ole ole

      1nawty0 - 2012-12-02 05:11

      Dylan..... A) South African Rugby Players (and other sportsman with the exception of soccer players) are of the best in the world, Unfortunately we can't put them on the Rugby field because of politics, and most have left to play for other countries. (i.e. England cricket team= 6 South Africans) B) New Zealanders are hypocrites, they and other countries should be boycotting Playing South Africa (like they did in the 80's) As you do not play our best teams because of politics. D) Any idea of how disappointing and devastating it is for a child, in school sport, to know that you are clearly the best player by far, but can't get into a Provincial team because of discrimination against you being white. E)Before you gloat in future, Remember, when you play our national side you are playing our best 4th and 5th teams.

      dylan.claude.752 - 2012-12-02 07:05

      @nawty,it is quite ironic how you say that when we facing the boks we are actually facing your 4th or 5th team due to politics,when all the big names who were part of a world cup sqaud are in the team.if it were that england beat you it would have been the coach who made the mistake for choosing this player or that player.however it be that the all blacks lost,I'm sure it must of been a great and interesting game.better than the kick,chase and hope than the boks play.I played rugby at high school level and played against victor matfield where we were the far northern transvaal winners for three years running.we were taught that you play rugby for the love of the game and you play with passion.

      pierre.devilliers.9231 - 2012-12-02 10:48

      For one England played well and beat the AB’s, but one swallow does not make a summer. The NH sides need to be more consistent. The AB’s has lost only this one game in 20 and is still the team to beat. However I will take my opportunity tomorrow and mention this score to my NZ colleagues. Hard facts is SA did beat England and 11 times in a row now. Therefore give HM credit too. HM did well this season if you consider the amount of injuries SA had, especially amongst the forwards. SA should be in a much stronger position next year when the injured players return and with both WP and the Sharks showing more attacking styles of rugby that will hopefully filter through to the national side.

  • caleb.drumm.1 - 2012-12-01 18:35

    Well done England, thoroughly deserved victory. Far too many missed tackles and handling errors from AB's. Hard luck, a step too far.

      Flemstone - 2012-12-01 19:11

      Morgan makes a huge difference to the England side. The other loosies and Launchbury did some hard graft. Farrell at flyhalf was great. Tuilagi finally decided to start playing and it caused chaos. A great performance in general. NZ showed what they can do on a few occasions. Lets not forget they were within 1 point at one stage.

      caleb.drumm.1 - 2012-12-01 23:15

      Yeah he does make a big difference, I loved Farrels composure too, there openside, Robshaw i think, played very well and if he can stay consistant he has a big future.

  • - 2012-12-01 18:36

    Blame it on suzy. Seems she's moved to London.

      Felix.gumbi1 - 2012-12-02 12:52


  • cathy.paquet.92 - 2012-12-01 18:38

    What a lovely match to watch. This is how rugby should be played. Well done England but in the end rugby is the winner. So great to once again enjoy an entertaining game where running rugby dominates. I agree, Ollie - Meyer needs to take note!

      hendrik.pienaar - 2012-12-01 18:45

      Take note of what? He could beat England.... and would've beaten the AB's without those two buffoons Morne Steyn & Dean Greyling. Meyer is on the right track. He doesn't need to change his plans. Tough for me to say because up until a few weeks ago I thought he was a complete tool.

      Flemstone - 2012-12-01 19:12

      Take note of using your backline I think Hendrik. Meyers style is never going to beat the AB's.

      alonso.opinion - 2012-12-02 10:03

      HM is actually changing the game of rugby. The way you and I know rugby and the names of the positions will be gone soon if all other nations adopt the same style. HM team looks like this; Loose prop, hooker, tight head, 2x props, 3 x loose forwards/defenders, 2 x kickers & 5 x defenders. Gone are centres & wings as we knew it. Beginning to look a lot like american football to me.

  • gary.doyle.520 - 2012-12-01 18:39

    Fantastic win for England. Great skills and driving play, what a well earned victory.

  • Jimmy NZ - 2012-12-01 18:40

    Well done England, now for a bottle of tequila :(

      Felix.gumbi1 - 2012-12-02 12:49

      If you only drink when you loose,I'd call you an extremely moderate drinker,emagine the alcoholics in Wales ha ha,cheer up,you dont loose much anyway

  • - 2012-12-01 18:42

    Lekker England! I'm not a supporter, but enjoyed them humiliating the all blacks!!!

      tebogo.kumalo.3 - 2012-12-01 18:55

      That is not humiliating....that is a good win. By the way they are still world champs.

      chez.kri - 2012-12-01 19:02

      @Leonard. Agreed. It was great to watch. The refs are seeing teh AB's for the cheaters they have been for years

      rocco.dewet.3 - 2012-12-01 19:19

      Why would you? The AB team itself and real New Zealanders are rarely boastful. The only nice thing is that the fake New Zealanders have for once nothing to crow about, even if they do not get it that they really never have anything to crow about.

  • dm.farmerjoe - 2012-12-01 18:42

    very mixed feelings. I see the ref didn't let the all blacks lie all over the ball

      Flemstone - 2012-12-01 19:21

      I think that driving maul in the beginning was also fine. Sure it stopped for a bit, but then the momentum carried on.

      caleb.drumm.1 - 2012-12-01 23:16

      Yeah i agree Flemstone, that should not have been a penalty, but then again, Read contesting at the kickoff should not have been a penalty either way. All in all the ref was pretty consistant.

  • vern.huen - 2012-12-01 18:47

    We weren't affected by any bug.....we were beaten fair and square by a superior England team. It happens.....that's sports.... Well done England. All you kiwis on this site acknowledge England were better on the day. They worked out how we play and beat us at our own game. Time to enjoy the summer and appreciate and celebrate what a good year the All Blacks have had despite this loss...

      chez.kri - 2012-12-01 19:04

      @Vern. Now that is true sportsmanship; well said. England had a better game and I thought played with more determination.

  • Carlton - 2012-12-01 18:48

    When I said an equally attacking team will thrash New Zealand I was called a fool.

      harry.strandloper.7 - 2012-12-01 21:36

      The record shows that the boks game-plan was spot on - we were unbeaten, can't say the same for any of our other Southern Hemisphere mates of the 4 nations/Castle,,,,Again well done to the very young Bokke side and Heyneke, you guys know what you are doing!

      alonso.opinion - 2012-12-02 10:08

      HM is actually changing the game of rugby. The way you and I know rugby and the names of the positions will be gone soon if all other nations adopt the same style. HM team looks like this; Loose prop, hooker, tight head, 2x props, 3 x loose forwards/defenders, 2 x kickers & 5 x defenders. Gone are centres & wings as we knew it. Beginning to look a lot like american football to me

  • - 2012-12-01 18:52

    Wow congrats England but don't read too much into it. Last game of the year, virus,etc. lol

      Felix.gumbi1 - 2012-12-02 11:25

      Chances of England beating the AB in the middle of the season are zero,they stopped the boks at 17 wins also,very good at beating exhausted

  • daniel.rossouw1 - 2012-12-01 18:55

    Oh hell NZ lost. NZ brown nosers won't allow that, laws will be changed. Blaming Suzy again after 17years. Well done England. Well played. You stopped us as well at 17 wins in '98.

  • niel.walt - 2012-12-01 18:58

    Now let's see what steve hansen is made of!

      caleb.drumm.1 - 2012-12-01 23:19

      Yeah should be interesting, his first loss as AB coach. He now probably needs to try and think ahead of the rest of the world, as Graham Henry did for sso many years.

      omge.klits - 2012-12-02 01:48

      Be consistent caleb.drumm.1 - Not his first "loss" - when the cape cabal and wpsport24 assesses HM's win percentage the draws always get excluded when calculating the winning percentage . . . .

      caleb.drumm.1 - 2012-12-02 03:23

      Aaah.... yeah it was his first loss, when did he lose previously as AB Coach?

  • riaan.crouse1 - 2012-12-01 19:00

    welldone england for kicking the all blacks asses you made my weekend

  • wade.johnson.58726 - 2012-12-01 19:01

    The All blacks lose to a Average English team ? A team which has lost to the Auzies as well as a young Springbok team, with players missing, and a poor gameplan ? The All Blacks had a great year, but too bad the f*ckup against such a mediocre side. You can't help feeling that the All Blacks have undone everything good they've done this year. Ha ha !

      niel.walt - 2012-12-01 19:05

      Ok so young, inexperience, mediocre etc are valid excuses but illness isn't? Atleast they've done some good this year and not just 50% of the time

      wade.johnson.58726 - 2012-12-01 19:40

      The Boks and the Auzies played poorly against England, and didn't have all their best players to choose from. They've both been below par this year. But they still beat England. But the All Blacks have a extremely strong squad, and to lose 38-21 to a 5th ranked team, who also missed a couple conversions, is poor. And they were over their "virus", so yip, that's no excuse. The All Blacks statistically had a great year, but they're clearly not the unbeatable force, which they're made out to be.

      derick.williams.714 - 2012-12-01 22:18

      ja ne nou is engeland so good ma hulle moet dankie se vir g clancy.

      caleb.drumm.1 - 2012-12-01 23:21

      @ Wade, who made them out to be an unbeatable force? You wont find any artciles from any NZ'ers or AB's saying that.

      wade.johnson.58726 - 2012-12-02 00:42

      @caleb: Majority of NZ are humble regarding their dominance in Rugby over the last year/years. However, there are still quite a few NZ's who claim that their AB's are unbeatable, & poke fun when SA or AUZ lose. Though, these are mainly Douche-bag Trolls, on Blog & forums. Every country has its share of these types of people. But there has recently, been a school of thought suggesting the All Blacks are far better than any other team in the world. I disagree. I personally feel that both Auz & SA have been poorer this year, than most previous years. NZ were also damn lucky to hold on to beat France by 1 point in the RWC final last year. A french team that looked better on the day, and a referee who didn't want to step up and penalize the home team, for a number of offences. Yes, NZ clearly deserve the number 1 ranking, but they are not miles ahead of any other team. Sadly, its the entire Rugby "Universe", so to speak, who says otherwise.

      alonso.opinion - 2012-12-02 10:10

      Didn't the Boks loose 53-3 to England once?

      wade.johnson.58726 - 2012-12-02 21:11

      Didn't the Springboks beat England 36-0 in the World Cup, and then beat them in the Final ? Haven't the Springboks gone 11 matches without losing to England ?

  • ljmostert - 2012-12-01 19:04

    Pacific Ilands B - 38 Pacific islands A. - 15 Boy did I enjoy that expression on kieran reedks face!

      wade.johnson.58726 - 2012-12-01 19:10

      ...Ya, the foreign oaks score most of the points. Rugby's becoming like soccer.

  • grahama.mweb.5 - 2012-12-01 19:09

    well done

  • piet.poggenpoel.359 - 2012-12-01 19:18

    Waar is cape maori nou ?

      omge.klits - 2012-12-02 01:51

      Probably writing a petition to the United Nations to launch a Commission of Inquiry to find the third force that felled his walk on water All Blacks . . . . .

      Felix.gumbi1 - 2012-12-02 11:09

      ja waar is die groot bek

  • JFR.Roodt - 2012-12-01 19:22

    Ek wonder waar is Allblacksforever vanaand, eers verloor die All Blacks teen Engeland en toe verloor hulle sommer in Dubai teen Samoa ook.

      niel.walt - 2012-12-01 22:05

      Se gou vir my waar het die bokke gekom in dubai?

      om.nom.nom.01 - 2012-12-02 10:40

      niel... klink as of jy een voet klaar in NZ het.

  • grant.stevens.54390 - 2012-12-01 19:22

    @caleb, it's not ABs fans graciousness in defeat that annoys me but rather the arrogance in victory. Try spending some time on the UK forums and in fact even the AB official website to know that us a fact. Well done England!

      rocco.dewet.3 - 2012-12-01 19:48

      It is not the real New Zealanders, it is the fake ones. So take it with a big pinch of salt.

      grant.burden.1 - 2012-12-01 23:55

      You are absolutely right New Zealanders are the worst losers and even worse winners. I have spent six months of every year for the last 15 years in New Zealand so I know what I am talking about. One journalist in New Zealander claimed "New Zealanders don't care about rugby they care about the All Blacks", there is a lot of truth in this statement. The New Zealanders that are humble about defeat and winning gennerally don't care about rugby and there are more and more of these everyday.

  • vark.nek.90 - 2012-12-01 19:23

    Problem as I see it. The Poms are going to brag about this for the next 30 years (I'm so gatvol of hearing about the 1966 soccer Word Cup). Cor blimey, it must've been the 1st time in me life, that I cheered f'r 'u f'-ckers. WELL DONE CHAPS!!! Have a good one tonight, ek sê.

  • shaun.wane.7 - 2012-12-01 19:48

    Great season All Blacks, no excuses...we won't sink that low! All Black forever!!!

      piet.poggenpoel.359 - 2012-12-01 20:00

      Youre a real f mm nut!

  • calvin.cona - 2012-12-01 20:04

    Ha ha the so called mighty blacks or clowns IRB BABIES ? Mr Hansen are u still practising? NEXT TIME THINK BEFORE U SPEAK ????

  • Marco Ferreira - 2012-12-01 20:10

    Yes and at one point (at the beginning I believe) as in all games there was a 0 point difference.

  • stephen.haynes.9237 - 2012-12-01 20:21

    Fantastic. I love to see the All Blacks lose in rugby, love to see the Aussies lose in cricket. Yesss!

  • sean.bagley.50 - 2012-12-01 20:31

    The new IRB Provisional rankings puts New Zealand now on just 3.14 points ahead of the Boks on 90.08 points with the Boks on 86.94.At the start of the yaer when HM took over I think the gap was well over 7 points between the Boks and the All Blacks.Wow HM's goal of making the Springboks become the number one team in world rugby has just become little nearer to reality than it was when he first took charge of the Boks.

      omge.klits - 2012-12-02 01:57

      @dean.griefs - Yes those basterd Boks - imagine winning all their games on their Northern Hemisphere tour and the Aussies and All Blacks losing on purpose to make us move up in the rankings - its a world conspiracy against the fake cape "All Blacks" cabal . . . . . .

      niel.walt - 2012-12-02 07:55

      Gap closed because the ab's lost, not because the boks actually achieved anything. Next year the blacks will open that gap again.

  • allblacksfanatic - 2012-12-01 21:05

    Congrats to England they were the better team on the day, well played!!! Okay now to all the All Black Haters out there this is just for YOU!!! 19 Games won, 1 drawn, 1 lost!!! Pretty impressive isn't it??? #AllBlacksForever #Benchmark

      caleb.drumm.1 - 2012-12-01 23:23

      Yeah, im ok at being beaten by a better side, and it was a hell of a season, the haters laugh at one loss by the AB's vs how many by the Boks, i lose count.

      omge.klits - 2012-12-02 02:13

      Caleb - Unlike the All Blacks none on the Northern Hemisphere tour . . .

      Caleb - 2012-12-02 21:57

      Omge- The AB's had ten unbeaten NH tours previous to this, congratulations on taking it to the NH but lets see some consistancy and enterprise from the Boks next year, otherwise it will be the same spanking you got in the RC this year.

      omge.klits - 2012-12-03 09:37

      @Caleb - Really ? Where and when did England win their world cup ? - and come to think of it - before the last world cup won for them by Craig Joubert - how many world cups did the All Blacks win in the previous 10 years ?

  • harry.strandloper.7 - 2012-12-01 21:40

    Where's all the Capie all blacks now - sore losers, lekke ne Cape Maori you "num- nut"

  • James Cussen - 2012-12-01 21:56

    The more 'non-english' players England adds to the squad the better they seem to do

  • kevin.gleeson.54 - 2012-12-01 22:02

    Wow, well done England.

  • henryhoratio.kitchener - 2012-12-01 22:17

    Jolly good show by England

  • iwillemse - 2012-12-01 22:22

    impressive display of total rugby by ENG. not da boring Kickby ,played by da boks,

      James Cussen - 2012-12-01 23:08

      Go support the All Blacks... Awesome unity

      omge.klits - 2012-12-02 02:02

      Hey willemse - Before commenting next time - watch the game first - they kicked significantly more than the Boks normally do . . . and they didnt even execute the kicking game particularly well . . . .

  • wade.johnson.58726 - 2012-12-02 01:15

    Just on a side note, I have to say that I for one, really get pissed off when I see guys like Tuilagi & Barrit break through the opposition's defence. Tuilagi was instrumental in three tries, and Barrit in one. These guys shouldn't be playing for England. They've spent most of their lives living in their country of Birth, but after living in England for a couple of years, now they're representing the country. Yes, they have passports, but they learned their rugby elsewhere. Barrit's represented South Africa at an under 21 level, but now he's English ? The IRB should implement stricter rules.

      bongumusa.shozi - 2012-12-02 01:29

      That's jus sour grapes... Barrit was extreamly talemted but was over looked and would have never made into the bok team not with meyer favouring devilliers,steyn or taute at 13. So he took his talent else where, where he would be recognised pure and simple

      omge.klits - 2012-12-02 02:05

      bogud.shozi - What are you talking about - HM is being forced to play the midget JdJ at outside - who can't even brake a plate at a p!ss-up in a greek tavern . . .

      James Cussen - 2012-12-02 08:30

      I agree - and I am English

  • duncan.gill1 - 2012-12-02 02:26

    Well done the English rugby last someone shows the All Blacks to be only human,magnificent as they are they were beaten by a better team on the day,a feat that all other teams have lacked for quite some time, namely, to show some fighting spirit and take the game to these great New Zealand rugby players!

  • peter.nicholson.92102 - 2012-12-02 14:54

    Guys one thing we're forgetting is that the AB were dead on their feet. Without taking anything away from the excellent way England played, it must be born in mind that the Southern Hemisphere sides are at the tail end of a gruelling season and most players have played in excess of 35 games. Since when do the AB slide off such easy tackles? England are fresh off an extended break and have gained momentum in the last four games. Heyneke Meyer needs to realise that the boring Bulls style of rugby of predictably trying to run over the opposition and kicking everything will beat most of the sides in the world on any given day due to the amount of talent at his disposal-but will never get us to no.1. The Sharks showed in the Super 15 that playing an expansive game, retaining possession, playing into space and offloading in the tackle are the only way to beat what is rightfully the number one side in world rugby. Well done, England! A victory of that magnitude over the worlds best side is something to be truly cherished whichever way it comes!

  • clivegoss - 2012-12-03 06:22

    A well deserved win for England. Congratulations.

  • vincent.s.cupido - 2012-12-03 11:36

    The mighty All Blacks was comprehensively "BLIKSEMED" by the Pommies! Point, finish and klaar!

  • paul.goss.56 - 2012-12-03 21:00

    The All Blacks lost ..... Hmhmhmhm .... Funny that ...I say one thing when you have been at the top for so long you loose your balance and you can fall and there is only one direction to go and thats down ..... But when you are at the bottom there is only one direction you can go and that is up . England ( POMS) when the ABs loose to a team they generally come back and smash that very team next time out ... Be scared be very scared !!!!!!

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