Div struggling to forgive Bryce

2012-04-22 16:59

Cape Town - Former Springbok coach Peter de Villiers has launched his fiercest attack yet on New Zealand referee Bryce Lawrence, who officiated South Africa's Rugby World Cup quarter-final loss to Australia last year.

The Springboks bowed out of the tournament with a narrow 11-9 defeat, despite enjoying three-quarters of possession.

De Villiers told the Times Live website he's struggling forgive the man who may well have cost him his job as Bok coach.

De Villiers decribes Lawrence as being "cocky, arrogant and sly".

"Bryce Lawrence makes, on average, six mistakes a game, which is a good average for a referee. In that game he made 48 mistakes, six of which were match-costing," said De Villiers.

And De Villiers refuses to accept the apology the New Zealand referee offered afterwards.

"So, Bryce mumbled an apology to the world. This means nothing!

"Did he really apologise for exactly what he did? He needs to tell South Africa exactly what it is that he is apologising for.

"For match-fixing? For inefficiency? For what? How am I supposed to forgive him if I don't know exactly what for?"

De Villiers also announced that his biography will soon hit stores.

It is written by rugby writer Gavin Rich and carries a foreword by former Springbok captain John Smit.

De Villiers coached the national team from 2008-2011. His most notable achievements while coaching the Boks were a Tri-Nations trophy and a series victory over the British and Irish Lions in 2009.

Last week it was reported
that De Villiers had approached the South African Rugby Union (SARU) about possible work.

De Villiers believes he gained valuable experience during his tenure at the Boks, which could be useful for the game in South Africa.

"I feel a bit useless at the moment. Sitting back home and nobody shows interest in trying to draw from experience that I do have," said De Villiers.


  • Francois - 2012-04-22 17:05

    Snorre, there are two reasons why we lost that match. 1) Lawrence 2) A Springbok Team with 60% possesion could not score tries - that was your problem.

      Christo - 2012-04-22 17:24

      Most of us MIGHT one day forgive Bryce, but YOU old snorre, will never be forgiven !!!!!!!!

      Squeegee - 2012-04-22 17:24

      What a dilemma!! People don't know if they should trash Div or Bruce. Agreeing with DIv is difficult, but then again Bruce did....

      Paul - 2012-04-22 21:00

      Well said Francois ! On the nail.

      Staal - 2012-04-22 21:52

      Yes, yes Patrick. Everything is racist to muppets like you. I say A and then you say I actually meant B. Because in your world any person that disagrees with you just has to be a racist right? Essentially you are condoning political appointments and how dare I criticize it. Or wait, is it the greater good? Must be that. In which case I should call you "Grant Henry". My new term for a moralizing, hypocritical white people. Irony is that the guy that made create that term is not white apparently. How funny is that?

      Smell - 2012-04-22 23:46

      Staal, going by your reasoning I would be a proud Muppet.

      Chrono - 2012-04-23 09:28

      Francois, can you not figure out why we did not score tries in a match where 48 refereeing mistakes were made against us? In virtually all those cases the ball went back to the Aussies. Also think of the cases where we were on our way to the tryline when there were "forward" passes. We are now in an era where the forward pass rule is not even applied rigorously anymore but in that particular match it was applied when the ball did not even go forward.

      Chrono - 2012-04-23 09:36

      World rugby is in crisis. The players, coaches and support staff are professional but that is where it all stops. The officials are unprofessional and corrupt. I am waiting with interest for the moment when the bombshell about match fixing hits us. It is very obvious when SA teams play in Aus or NZ how refs try their utmost to blow them out of the match in the last 10 minutes. A friend close to SA rugby refs told that the refs themselves don't bet on matches but their family and friends do. Spread betting: the refs see to it that the points difference between teams is within a range that is agreed upon in advance. Go check in how many matches the points difference is 7 points or less.

      Stew - 2012-04-23 10:41

      @Francois whatever dude! Bryce Lawrence cost us the game, solely and entirely his fault...end of discussion!

      Bob - 2012-04-23 12:03

      pretty poor form of div to complain about it like that. in 2007 when the ABs lost to france in the qf the all black coaches did complain about it

      bluzulu - 2012-04-23 19:11

      OOOhhhh "P DIVI" my main man. Don't be so down bud, you did everything Humanly possible considering all the battles you were fighting. SARU will give you a job......wait and see.

      Smell - 2012-04-23 19:21

      OK Staal what would you rather choose: having to contend with 18 years of some AA and BEE. Or would you rather have been subjected to the legacy of 342 years of being treated like a second or third class citizen in your ancestral lands? PdVs appointment had a political flavor, but that is no different from the Broederbond appointments prior to 1994. Did you complain as bitterly then? And despite the fact that he was not the worst coach we ever had, you keep on harping about him, even after he has been fired. PdV was a trailblazer , the first man of color to coach a Bok team. And he coached the Boks to a Trinations and a Lions series victory. We were robbed of a win in the last RWC quarterfinal - only a biased person would blame PdV for that. Staal, get over yourself, the 1652 to 1994 era is over, forever.

      Nzbro - 2012-04-24 10:26

      Its a great loss for NZ comedy NOT to have this man as bok coach. He has amused many kiwis during his tenure as bok coach and provided lots of pub fodder to laugh about. We hope your new coach is a comedian

      Deon - 2012-05-21 15:16

      @NZBro. I notice that you have no opinion on the Bryce subject, which is actually the main subject here. I wonder who is more worldwide pub fodder, Brycie or Divvy ?

  • Bill - 2012-04-22 17:12

    Now there is a biography that I will not bother reading.

      leonb50 - 2012-04-22 17:19

      I agree

      Bob - 2012-04-22 17:31

      That is pathetic - everything is worth reading BEFORE making a comment!

      Bill - 2012-04-22 17:53

      I have a library of some 4000 books, but there are many hundreds of thousands of books that I would not bother to read - be it pathetic in your eyes or not.

      Blouvitrioel - 2012-04-22 18:33

      Wel Richard of Bill nou kan lees of nie, hy is darem nie so ongelooflik lelik soos jy nie. Bul groete.

      Charlie - 2012-04-23 07:58

      @ Bob, I have read the Quran but would not bother with the Satanist's Bible. I believe the sentiment expressed by Bill is directed at the subject matter which he has no interest in.

      rhslingers - 2012-04-23 14:02

      Haar nageboorte Blouvitrioel. Dit is wat jou ma lief gekry en in die kerk laat doop het. Of was dit dalk haar blou koeimoemfie? Rustige nag beesmis.

  • Franklyn - 2012-04-22 17:18

    well,everyone seems to be having a dig at Div,it seems like none of the players he coached had a bad word to say about him, he got the job ahead of Heyneke,this was not his doing....presumably he did his best,he also had 2 assistant coaches that everyone seems to be forgetting about, After all the criticism he has shown no need to react,he has conducted himself admirably and not without reason he still wishes to contribute. So....what have YOU done besides being a sad couch critic ?

      Francois - 2012-04-22 17:36

      We gave him advice on News24 way before the Boks went to RWC11. No need to react - because he was not allowed to and there was nothing he could have said. As for the 2 assistant coaches, he could have let John Smit and Fourie du Preez out - oops you were thinking about Gold and Muir? He did not say that he was not the best man for the job, he took it? And just after RWC 2007 in the bosberaad on the future of SA rugby coaching, he merrily went along? Why did he not say, we can go, but Jake and his team just won? Franklyn, we have a difference of opinion on what admirably means. He was a clown! Maybe you should buy his biography - then at least he will have one sale.

      johncarlos.biza - 2012-04-22 18:11

      I agree. His departure was a lot more dignified than Jake White's. You don't have to be a fan to acknowledge this.

      Staal - 2012-04-22 20:49

      You will notice the players are careful to state what a nice guy he is, or good his relationship with the players are. I have never ever heard a player praising his vision or coaching expertise. Divvy can be the greatest guy on earth it doesn't change the fact he was a political appointee; blatantly, unapologetically, so. Rather ask those same players in 30-40 years time when they are retired how they really felt about having a coach for said reasons. What I can't get is how you people want to condone his appointment? How you act surprised that he is criticized for it? It doesn't matter whether he was appointed for it. He got it and he carries the flack for it. The administration is faceless, he represented SARU, ANC social engineering policies, the works. Is it fair on him? No, but that is the way it works. Don't act surprised that he is the one taking the rap.

      Vincent - 2012-04-24 03:26

      Well said Franklyn.You are a wise man .

  • Paul - 2012-04-22 17:19

    Lets not forget the fact that he played John Smit at hooker ahead of Bismarck. Grave error

      colin85 - 2012-04-22 18:56

      In the QF Smit had a wonderful game though...

      Staal - 2012-04-22 20:52

      Ja, but could Bismarck have had an even greater game? We will never know now of course.

  • Craig - 2012-04-22 17:25

    He said it, Bryce Lawrence is a tit, and he is home and no-one is interested, both very accurate!!!!!

      Press - 2012-04-22 20:03

      I think Snorre is still being to nice to Bryce . . .

  • Patiswa - 2012-04-22 17:41

    Allow Div to cry if he believes he has to,he as an SA citizen has a right to.Just wish our team was strong enough to score tries under the circumstances!!

  • trevor.padayachee - 2012-04-22 17:44

    Should that crook Bryce officiated fairly there is still no guarantee that the Boks would have won the world cup, having myself spent three weeks in 2010/2011 in NZ before the WC it seemed the AB's where going to win the WC by all means or with or without some unsavoury assistance...sorry Div you where on a hiding to nothing as there was no way the kiwis where going to let anyone else win that WC!!!!

      Vincent - 2012-04-24 03:33

      I came to the same conclusion .It was 24 years between a World Cup .It was gifted to NZ by the IRB from the beginning .

      Deon - 2012-05-21 15:26

      Damn right. Even down to the slection of the pools - SA had to deal with in form Wales and the Samoan assassins while the IRB darlings had to fend off leaderless France and terrifying Japan. Not just match fixing, forking tournament fixing !

  • chris.bleeker - 2012-04-22 17:48

    As ek reg onthou het snorre op n tyd gese hy sal nooit n boek uitbring nie. Te veel vriende wat nie kan lees nie

  • Peter - 2012-04-22 17:58

    Div, you are a man of God, I believe. You can forgive, because you are forgiven... Forgive and move on with your life...

  • aiazmir - 2012-04-22 18:07

    In my view, Lawrence did world rugby a great disservice. He was directed by the international governing body to do what he did (for money). He allowed David Pocock free reign in stealing, and slowing SA ball, and was not called offside once. I've viewed the game 3 times and each time I see how Lawrence manipulated the game in Australia's favour. You have to be blind or stupid not to see it. I will likewise never forgive Lawrence or the IRB. Rugby is a game that has been manipulated in favour of higher returns on investment by the IRB. You will see that Australia will win the next world cup, because it is in the "interests" of the IRB. Then the next year a Northern Hemisphere country will win it. It is a shame that referees will determine the outcome of games. This last weekend Steve Walsh blew in favour of the Reds for 35 minutes of the game. Fortunately, he was not able to steal the game from the Stormers.

  • Anthony - 2012-04-22 18:09

    The ALl Blacks and Australia always outplay the Boks on one aspect of the game. PLAY THE REF! It should not take a team/captain/coach to read a ref and adjust the game plan The Ausies are past masters at thsi but we dont learn.

  • jacques.weidemann - 2012-04-22 18:10

    even if we did beat the aussies, the kiwis would have been waiting for us the next week, and after a bok kiwi encounter, france could have klapped the kiwis the next many ifs and buts...

  • jacques.weidemann - 2012-04-22 18:12

    Oh and also...PDivvy you will never be as bad a coach as Rudolph Straueli and Harry Viljoen, so take comfort in the fact that you actually didnt do a bad job, Lions series win and Dunedin victory!

      Staal - 2012-04-22 21:14

      That is true. But none of these moralizing hypocrites (or "Grant Henry's") will ever acknowledge legitimate criticism of a political appointment. So your point is moot. It doesn't matter if someone thinks Divvy is better than Straueli and Viljoen but still not the best man for the job. All that they notice is that you have not slavishly accepted the morally-bankrupt system of BEE and political appointments in order to increase your I-am-not-a-racist-score in greatest liberal party game of all time.

  • Andrew - 2012-04-22 18:14

    Are you surprised?? You were nothing more than a useless AA appointee even as Hoskens intimated on your appointment. Don't cry it was not your fault but that of the useless chicken heads at SARU.

      Blouvitrioel - 2012-04-22 18:36

      Rassis! Speel maar net. Bul groete.

  • Adrian - 2012-04-22 18:45

    it is really amazing to see how many comments are just plain racist. Any coach will be loved and hated at times but I wonder how much of the negativity towards Div is rooted in plain racism. One readers comment probably says much more than he intended when he refered to rugby as " our game" . As a coloured rugby lover i can agree that often Div often made a fool of himself and there were some selections I didnt agree with, but to make as if he was only bad and just an AA apointee is totaly false. Does the Trinations and lions tour count for nothing? If England scored that try in the world cup final how would we have treated Jake white?

      Chris - 2012-04-22 19:04

      Even SARU admitted that he wasn't appointed because he was the best coach. He was appointed because of the colour of his skin and that is what people will remember the most. So if you want to blame someone, blame the people that appointed him.

      Lourens - 2012-04-22 21:54

      Full marks for Chris. Its a pity PDV was appointed in the first place. You can not blame him for trying as he did not appoint himself. If the best coach was appointed, none of these pointless arguments would even be necessary, as we would most probably be sitting with the World Cup and made history by being the 1st team to defend a WC successfully as we had the most experienced and most gifted players in history. Its just another excellent example that AA does more harm than good for everyone.

  • Craig Hopkins - 2012-04-22 19:03

    PDV is a blithering idiot. Anyone could coach a team as great as the springboks & get them to the semis of a world cup. Only a true coach could get them to the semis. Fair enough, the ref made an 'average' of 6 mistakes, but can PDV even string 6 coherent words together to make a sentence?

      khanyib1 - 2012-04-23 16:36

      and ofcourse you know of a "true coach" that was overlooked? If Div was a blithering idiot, you are might find a similar one in the mirror...

  • Lynn - 2012-04-22 19:21

    Had the Boks wanted it bad, they would have had the Cup, no matter what the coach said. There was no motivation due to the man coaching them

  • Carol - 2012-04-22 19:27

    Tut tut de Villiers, I'm sure Bryce isn't loosing any sleep over you. The thing you should be worried about is - are we going to forgive you for the all the mistakes you made during your tenancy as Springbok coach? Just get a life and move on.

  • Gerda Malherbe - 2012-04-22 19:35

    Grant Henry you loser. At least the Afrikaners had the intelligence to develop our own language. Why don't you go back to England, we won't miss you. Dumbwhit

      Blouvitrioel - 2012-04-22 19:56

      Gerda, hy is nie van Ingeland, hy's van die flatse.

      Saffa - 2012-04-22 19:56

      Bryce was bad, but not nearly as bad as Mark Lawrence and Plonker who handed two games to the Stormers on a plate

      Derrick - 2012-04-22 21:57

      @Jando- thanks for your enlightening insight on a rugby comment section & fostering harmonious inter language discourse- just when I thought us Engelse had gotten over our Boer War Hangups

      Staal - 2012-04-22 21:59

      Should I point out no one has actually "invented" a language? That they all evolved naturally over time? That the process that created Afrikaans is the exact same one that created English or Zulu? That there is no such thing as a 1st rate, 2nd rate or what have you language? Ah why bother. Reevo is having too much of a grand time moralizing at an Afrikaans person. I will let this "Grant Henry" have at it.

      Johan - 2012-04-23 00:32

      Flatse? Dan is die man mos tandloos,vrouloos en hul span bekerloos. Gerda dit wat hulle daar praat noem hulle maar net engels

  • Saffa - 2012-04-22 19:57

    Bryce was bad, but not nearly as bad as Mark Lawrence and Plonker who handed two games to the Stormers on a plate

  • Andre - 2012-04-22 21:21

    And his biggest down fall was to choose a over weight, slow, useless the captain John Smit. If he was not there it wud've been adiffrent story with Victor as a captain but no good mister John Smit was playing only for the money...he knew he was not the best, so if he was the called nice best hooker in the world he wud've let other guys have a chance to play in a world cup like Bismark and Chilliboy but no he was to selffish specially if there was a black guy who was even better as he was...that wud've been the right way to do it to stepdown like Juan Smith who said he was not right and rather gave a chace for another guy

  • Craig - 2012-04-22 21:41

    Div is a joke. You cannot face the fact that you where an ineffective coach. So easy to blame others. Get over it loser. Ohh. I almost forgot, even if Lawrence did cost us a few points, should'nt good christians like yourself always forgive?

  • Andrew - 2012-04-22 21:44

    Shut your pie hole Pieter

  • Fred - 2012-04-22 22:00

    After the world cup the senior player had good word for p divvie, because he allowed them the freedom to run the show. P divvy was (and maybe still is) not a leader. He failed to be the coach and it showed. He failed to bleed young players like De Jongh and Aplon to name two. And then he stuck with the worst hooker our country had to offer. I have no respect for p divvie as a coach, because he failed to take responsibility and it seems that he thaught sticking to Jake White's team, structures and plans would yield another world cup success. I still feel they should have given Allister Coetzee the job. If p divvie did just an average coaching job, we would have beaten the aussies that day.

  • butch.vanblerk - 2012-04-22 22:01

    div - despite all his mistakes - is correct here - that LTI was bribed to fix that match - neither was it ever denied by IRA

  • Lourens - 2012-04-22 22:13

    Pointless arguments between fans, SA Rugby's badly bruised image, no World Cup, a broken down PDV. Its just another excellent example that AA does more harm than good for everyone. I hope a lesson is learned

  • Tony - 2012-04-22 23:41

    Divvy, the outrage of South Africans towards Bryce's handling of the QF in effect saved your bacon. Bryce will be remembered in years to come as the one responable for our failure to progress past the QF not your ineffective coaching. You returned back to SA relatively unscathed.

      hannesenbrianda - 2012-04-23 00:34

      I think Tony is correct. Bryce will be remembered in rugby history as the ref that sunk the Boks in the QF with an extremely poor performance. Div will be remembered by his foot in the mouth comments. Both wil give some colour to the history of rugby. Div was ultimately kept accountable for his mistakes and I think he would not have been re-appointed even if the Boks won the world cup. Bryce in my view has not been kept accountable at all. The IRB has apologised for Paul Honis' mistake during the 2007 World Cup that cost the All Blacks the match, however Bok supporters are still waiting for the IRB's apology.

      Fred - 2012-04-23 12:59

      Spot on, Tony.

  • Johan - 2012-04-23 00:20

    Snorman, why don't you try out soccer. Lot less pressure as they are use to losing. You sound foreign so that's a plus. Don't worry about experience, you also didn't have any 4 years ago

  • mjmckerrow - 2012-04-23 03:23

    When NZ lost the QF4 to France in 2007 through atrocious officiating and a mile forward oass - SA had a great laugh at the 'chokers'. Not so funny other way round aye brus?

      Alan - 2012-04-23 05:15

      If you remember correctly that day both new Zealand and France scored 1 fwd pass try a piece. The ref didn't steal it from you or rig the result like Bryce did to us, you simply choked. Funny how you kiwis never see how many fwd pass tries your team scores... It's like so part of your game it's expected. Anyway here we are 5 years later and you lot are still crying over a fakir match you choked in. We are angry cause Bryce fixed the match against us because the kiwis and irb new we would knock you pathetic lot of fwd pass mommys boys out in the semi. You lot cheated and we will pay you back.

      Bob - 2012-04-23 11:34

      ooohhhhh alan poor chump . you really are quite bitter about it arent you matey . read it and WEEP " THE ALL BLACKS 2011 RUGBY WORLD CUP CHAMPIONS"

      mjmckerrow - 2012-04-24 03:35

      Ha, you just proved everything I said. Only SA believes that it was robbed. No other country gives a toss. Just as no one gave a toss about NZ's complaints in 2007. And I'm sorry, but 70% possession and no tries - that is a choke for the ages. I will concede that Bryce is a horrible ref - but he ruins every game he's involved with (his officiating of the blues/highlanders game last friday was as awful as ever) and I'm very happy that he's no longer involved with international fixtures, just as I'm pleased that Wayne Barnes has been given the scrap (well overdue). I'm also glad - Paddy O'Brien has stepped down - as now all you mindless conspiracy zealots will have to engineer a new excuse as to why SA loses when it does. It's not as if the SA refs are clean either - their calls which led to the saders and brumbies losing at loftus were as close to matchfixing as it gets.

  • Nicholas - 2012-04-23 05:22

    U a chop de villiers! You developed 2 or 3 players in FOUR years!!! Now Meyer is tasked with creating a new springbok team that will likely only be able to compete in the next year or more!! You Stole 4 years from us.

      Mark - 2012-04-23 07:18

      Peter God say we must forgive those who hurt as . Do not live in past . Forgive Bryce and move on . God have better things in store for you

  • Charlie - 2012-04-23 07:53

    My advice to Snor is to go back to his roots. Start over with schollboy and club work. The rest will follow. Don't be a recluse, get back in the saddle asap.

  • Alan - 2012-04-23 08:49

    Referee Lawrence was a plant by NZ to make sure that SA went out before the semi finals otherwise the AB would have lost another WC final -Simple but true !!!!!

      Bob - 2012-04-23 11:40

      alan .........your team barely made it past the pool stages, and was lucky to make it to the semi finals. they would never had won a final against the all blacks...........accept it and move matey.

      Fred - 2012-04-23 12:56

      Hey Bob, we are all referring here to 2011. Which world cup are you talking about?

      robert.m.sylvester - 2012-04-23 13:22

      @bob - You choakers fluked it - dont forget that you nearly got thumped by France in the final, in spite of poor blind Bryce' contribution regarding the Boks.

      Bob - 2012-04-23 21:48

      nearly thumped...........gee in case you didnt realise,we won the bloody game.thats right!! the world cup final

  • Silvia - 2012-04-23 08:51

    Its actually ironic,but from a legal perspective Div can actually hold Lawrence liable for damages as he directly lost his job due to the deliberate/grossly negligent performance of this Kiwi idiot who caused us great pain!!Common Div sue this guy for pecuniary damages suffered!Make him pay!!

      Fred - 2012-04-23 12:42

      Silvia, you have watched Boston Legal once too many. Pieter's contract expired. And SARU was under no obligation to renew it.

  • Silvia - 2012-04-23 08:52

    Sue the guy for loss of income!!!

      Bob - 2012-04-23 11:52

      haaaaaaa haaaaaaa oh stop it silvia your quite the comedian. by your reasoning there will be a heap of all black coaches due some big pay outs .......and it will boost the nz economy

      Fred - 2012-04-23 12:46

      Silvia, you have watched Boston Legal once too many. Pieter's contract expired. And SARU was under no obligation to renew it.

  • johan.r.erasmus - 2012-04-23 09:29

    Cocky , arrogant, sly, says who? Mnr. Snorre U het al 'n paar dom dinge voor die kamera gese'. So dis 'n geval "The pot calling the kettle black!" (Soos in Engels aangevoer word) Bloody English Racists calling the pot and the kettle black. Verbeel jou net.

      robert.m.sylvester - 2012-04-23 13:24

      Johan - what a wonderful turn of speech - love it...............

  • hellodanie - 2012-04-23 09:45

    I agree with Peter. The impact of bad refereeing (including some of our own) in this day and age of technology is still unbelievable. A bad ref decides who wins - even a side dominating another totally (like we did with the Australians) can loose a game. And a World Cup that either ourselves or Wales should have won..... This was obvious. My apologies for stating the obvious.

  • Paul - 2012-04-23 10:03

    .... and there I thought DIV is the Christian he claims to be? Get over it and move on, we still think you a mampara, the rest of the RUGBY world still do - nothing has changed there.

  • Abie - 2012-04-23 10:59

    All these white verkramptes that were/are so against PDV just think: If he was a B.E.E. appointment then Meyer is a W.E.E. appointment in the new South Africa who wants to bring has-beens like Fourie DuPreez and Matfield back because apparently he is afraid to loose his first match against England.

      Fred - 2012-04-23 12:50

      Can't be worse that selecting john smit and ricky january.

  • Patrick - 2012-04-23 11:26

    This is for all the anti Div comments, especially repeated attacks on him for being a political BEE appointee. Despite jokes levelled at him for his gaffes, accent, tone of voice etc, this man was passionate about his role as coach and defended ALL of his players throughout his tenure as coach. He was on a hiding to nothing from his 1st day in the job and never enjoyed the respect he deserved. Rugby "fans" willed him to fail and delighted in his errors which always struck me as racist in itself. Now that we have Heneke Meyer, the peoples' choice, I shudder to think what will the Div critics say if the Boks are no more successful under Meyer's stewardship.

      Fred - 2012-04-23 12:35

      Don't fear, it won't happen. Heyneke Meyer is a professional coach.

      robert.m.sylvester - 2012-04-23 13:31

      @Fred - splendldly correct.................

      Lourens - 2012-04-23 19:47

      What respect did PDV deserve?? You don't deserve respect, you have to earn it. Look at Heyneke's track record- that is earning respect. Being appointed with inferior experience, SA Rugby and PDV put themselves under pressure right from the start.No one else is too blame for bad results but themselves. Pls do not confuse racism with a lack of professionalism.

  • Loo - 2012-04-23 13:03

    AGGG DIV !!! Dude ,, please ,, please just go away and forget it. Rather be happy that you were there in the first place. YOU know and WE know ,, you were just not capable. TAKE some responsibility ffs, yes apart from Lawrence that screwed us, there were many other problems dude that explain our loss on the day. Im so tired of people in "leadership' positions not accepting responsibility. Look I am not a Rugby coach. But fact remains .. I know a pilot screwed up if he flew his airy into a plaasdam. Must the pilot now also say "" Damn if only that plaasdam was not empty"

  • Tony - 2012-04-23 13:38

    get over it u fake u r the reason why the boks performed so poorly over 3years go do ballet

  • Tony - 2012-04-23 13:41

    the springboks loss got absolutely nothing to do with the referee it has all to do with the coach we all know why he has been put there under julius melema they would've won that game !!!!!!

  • pjn123 - 2012-04-23 22:46

    Moes daai game gewen het. Bryce was die oorsaak vir ons verloor - mens kan nie die ref speel as hy twee stelle reels blaas nie. As mens na die NZ teen Aus game kyk die naweek daarop kon mens duidelik sien dat die springbokke 'n goeie kans sou gehaat het om hulle te wen daai dag. Solank hy net nie weer blaas in SA of vir 'n SA span nie - indien wel hoop ek ons boo hom erger as Luke Watson en tackle hom harder as Pieter Van Zyl!

  • Zion - 2012-04-24 12:29

    The seeds of inefficiency and poor sportsmanship has come to germination. This, Gentlemen, is South African Rugby at its best where even the coach indicates his poor manners and lack of decorum. Oh, what a shame that the poor man lost his job due to the ineptitude of his national wonders and his own inability to train his squad properly.

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