WP team too white - Wakefield

2011-08-01 07:44

Adnaan Mohamed

Cape Town – The vice-president of the Western Province Rugby Union Thelo Wakefield says too few players of colour are included in the WP Currie Cup side and drastic action needs to be taken to rectify the situation.

According to Wakefield, the Western Province Rugby Union had a meeting with representatives of all the WP clubs at Newlands last week where they expressed their unhappiness with the current composition of the WP side.

“The clubs decided that enough is enough and the current state of affairs cannot be tolerated,” says Wakefield.

“There are 95 clubs in WP who are predominantly made up of players of colour. The clubs decided that the current situation is unacceptable. They are unhappy that players of colour are deemed good enough to play at junior age group levels, but are not given enough opportunities to prove themselves at Currie Cup and Super Rugby level.”

Wakefield says that he will work his fingers to the bone so that the criticism over the composition of the team does not fall on deaf ears.

“I have an appointment with WP coach Allister Coetzee on Monday where he will have to explain the current state of affairs.

“There is also a document compiled by the clubs that I sent to the CEO of WP Rugby Rob Wagner. I want to discuss the matter with both of them and if they don’t want to listen, they will have to be prepared to take the criticism,” he warned.

The WP Currie Cup side that beat the Blue Bulls 35-7 on Saturday included only three players of colour, Conrad Jantjes, Siya Kolisi and Hilton Lobberts in the starting line-up, while Marcel Brache and Berton Klaasen were included on the bench.

“I worked out that since the start of this year’s Currie Cup campaign the WP side only included on average only 22% players of colour.

“I am not going to prescribe to the coach who he has to pick in the side, but I will lie if I say I am satisfied with the current situation.

The current state of affairs also does not make the team very popular with the public. The side has to be more representative so that there will be more role models. The players also cannot just be chosen from one or two clubs,” he added.


  • - 2011-08-01 07:52

    i have no problems...pick who long as it is on merit. failing to pick on merit will see me take my money elsewhere.

      BokBru - 2011-08-01 08:54

      I just wish that everyone would think that way. If we don't see the best possible team and players then don't pay to watch them. Let them feel it in their pockets.

      JohnnyBB - 2011-08-01 11:20

      .......Cape "merit" players are playing for the Bulls.... .......WP = Quota team...

      Creeky - 2011-08-01 11:24


      Kleinboet - 2011-08-01 14:24

      If I were Blaauw or Harris, I would immediately sign my Blue Bull contract!

      StBad - 2011-08-01 14:50

      After reading the headline I could barely bring myself to reading the article... the sht we have to put up with in sport! Why don't we have ex sportsman in positions like this, not token politicians with near sighted exclusionary agenda...

      Mtoto - 2011-08-01 17:23

      Same here. You play good rugby, then be play goood soccer then be selected. This racial thing has spoilt the good game(s).

      Paddy - 2011-08-03 04:17

      Pleks Wakefield gaan eerder op n dieet die vet vark.

      Leftyloosy - 2011-08-03 08:53

      And who decides what is merit? the same ppl that kept picking gus theron ahead of players like seconds who scored almost every game he played in? The same people that said shimanga had to learn the calls for the line out before he could play and then went outside the province for a hooker and then played after been with the team for less than a week?

      100%RSA - 2011-08-03 13:53

      I told my nephew who has a scholarship to top boys pvt schools for sport to play for England, far superior in every aspect!! What a shame I know, I have not done that before, but it seems logical - I don't blame the south africans playing for England Cricket - Kevin Petersen, Jonothan Trott, Matt Prior - they made an excellent choice

  • gooinat - 2011-08-01 07:52

    No wonder our white youngsters are rathing looking to go and play elsewhere,they don't have to put up with this cr@p,pick the best side regardless of colour!!!!!!!!!!

      BardofAvon - 2011-08-01 08:16

      "Elsewhere" = Emigration. No other choice for winners. Viva! Viva Africa!

      Rugby Pa - 2011-08-01 08:38

      Stem saam. Het regtig geglo ons is nou verby die kwota kwessie en dat talent hier deurkom ongeag Kleur.....het op onlangse 0/18 Toernooi gehoor hoe sekere ander top provinsies sukkel om gehalte spelers van kleur in te sluit terwyl dit by WP glad nie die geval was nie. Niks klop Meriete nie!

      Kaapie - 2011-08-01 09:14

      Bard winners dont quit..

      JohnnyBB - 2011-08-01 11:21

      yip, .....thats why the white youngsters go play for the Bulls....

      Oukoos - 2011-08-01 11:52

      Gooinat, die etter is te dom om te besef dat as die WP span nie op meriete gekies word nie, ons getroue ondetsteuners gatvol sal raak oor die gebrek aan trofeë en eenvoudig WP rugby ignoreer.

      Illuminated - 2011-08-01 12:31

      thats the point, which ever way this government cant make it uncomfortable for white people to live here and get them to leave then they have achieved their goals... whether it be BEE and AA in business, Crime, farm genocide and guotas in sport it doesnt matter. getting the whites to leave without forcing them is the main objective...

      Kleinboet - 2011-08-01 14:26

      Stem saam, Blaauw en Harris moet dadelik hulle Blou Bul-kontrakte teken!

      Paddy - 2011-08-03 04:20

      WP Rugby moet hom net elke 5jaar n nuwe stel tanne gee en n 5liter bakleiwyn elke naweek.

      Leftyloosy - 2011-08-03 09:01

      didnt knw 2 black wings are taking the food out of your youngsters mouth. theres 13 other places you know.

  • Camiel Phillips - 2011-08-01 07:54

    this is nothing new,where have you been all this time.Rugby and cricket are the main culprits.They got rid of Bolla Conradie an now Ricky Januarie.Are they better off.Did they win any trophies besides the the conference cup?

      gooinat - 2011-08-01 08:05

      Both of those players played a long time for Province and chose themselves to go and play elsewhere because they were nearing the end of their careers.Rugby and cricket the main culprits,wake up,whats happening in local soccer and Bafana???

      EqualRights - 2011-08-01 08:06

      And did any of the other teams with their supposed more players of colour win anything. No! Zip. Would you like to be included in a team if you know you are included because of the colour of your skin?

      gmain - 2011-08-01 08:08

      ...two really crap players who were only there in the first place cos of our disgusting race laws....

      PDP - 2011-08-01 08:10

      You need to get a life, go pick a team made up of all these players you seem to think deserve a spot. Then let them play against the current WP squad & see what happens. If they win, you have merit.

      Alex - 2011-08-01 09:06

      Bafana should be measured on a diffrent ratio. The point is,how many clubs of colour are there in the WP union?yet that doesnt get represented on the field.

      BlouBos - 2011-08-01 09:10

      Camiel Phillips - After Thelo you are the second biggest idiot. Bolla and Januarie played under Brown Couches, no merit in your argument moron.

      Kaapie - 2011-08-01 09:19

      @ Gooinat it is called racial bias.. period. In soccer that you so eloquently quote one hardly sees players of the Cape get selected for national soccer teams.. A case in point when arguably the best centre back for the past few years is Nasief Morris, yet he got called up for a sprinkling of matches.. and so many other players from the Cape.. the same political bias takes place in cricket and soccer. Dont be blind. In the WC there highest concentration of players of color outnumber the whites yet we see the talent only coming through at junior level and up to u21. Thereafter they dissappear for lack of opportunity. No other reason.

      johncarlos.biza - 2011-08-01 09:48

      @Kaapie get over yourself. Nassief Morris was kicked out of the Bafana camp for being an ill-disciplined sod, and was replaced by another coloured player from the Cape. You use nothing but visceral reasoning on matters you do not fully understand

      Kaapie - 2011-08-01 10:29

      @ John that only happened recently. Prior to that he was arguably the best central defender. However, I am talking about te Pinciple of the matter which clearly seems beyond you grasp

      johncarlos.biza - 2011-08-01 11:09

      Let me get this straight: a player you like is selected almost 40 times for Bafana, yet the selectors are still racially excluding him? The same team that has a captain of the same race? Only in South Africa does a statement like that make sense

      Airborne68 - 2011-08-01 11:42

      Ekse Camel Phillips, is that a hump on your shoulder? Oh no sorry, it's a chip.

      Kleinboet - 2011-08-01 12:14

      The consideration should be merit, and only merit. Come, have trial matches in the WP - not the present WP team against the rest, as it would be unfair, but genuine trial matches. Ditch the Currie Cup for this year and have a whole set of trial matches. Once this mess has been cleared up, start playing competitive rugby again. But, DON'T GIVE AWAY WP JERSEYS JUST FOR THE SAKE OF POLITICAL CORRECTNESS. While you are sorting things out, I'll go elsewhere to watch my rugby. By the way, you might find that by the end of these trial matches you don't have to worry about quotas any more - the really good players of all colours will be playing elsewhere and you will have to buy in players of all colours form elsewhere just to stay in the First Division. This is the professional era, and if WP (as is alleged) fail to pick excellent players just because of their colour, I am sure the other franchises will pick them up by the dozen.

      Neles - 2011-08-01 16:17

      @Kaapie - for someone punting Nasief Morris you really know very little of him as a player. I suggest you leave the football matters to the supporters of the beautiful game

      Paddy - 2011-08-03 04:21

      CAMIEL jy is n dom d@@s!Gaan klim terug in jou shack jou martiemartelgat

  • Logik - 2011-08-01 07:55

    Omw not this rubbish again, If the player is good enough he will make the team. There are so much more whites playing the game hence the ratio will favour them. Why must we bring colour into everything. Soccer is played by majority black people and couloured people, and a handfull of white people makes the squad. Nobody complains about that.

      steam_engine - 2011-08-01 12:30

      well said Logik.

      KnysnaSha - 2011-08-02 10:10

      My colored boyfriend played provincial school rugby in the Cape (Groenvlei High) and was so good that he played for his school and also Bishops-they even gave him a blazer to wear for the games, a pity they couldn't have offered him a scholarship. We discussed this last night over where things went wrong, I thought maybe it was the amount of after school sport that was played. He told me that when they went to play matches all the white parents would be there supporting their children and the coloured parents would not. His own mother came to only one of his games yet he was so good he was asked to go play in the UK-his father would not allow it. I think it is very important for the children coming up through the ranks to get that support from their parents. I know some people might disagree with me but this is a personal account of someone who was in that position. Eventually he had to give it up due to injuries and now plays cricket for our local town team.

      KnysnaSha - 2011-08-02 10:13

      He also commented that at his school (in the Cape Flats) there was one rugby team where as in the more affluent private schools like Bishops they would have up to 7 teams across an age group. This does show how the schools do push this a lot more and how depending of the financial situation of a school how they can make it better for the children playing sport who will one day go onto to become our springboks.

  • johncarlos.biza - 2011-08-01 07:56

    Laissez faire on all sports

  • thumper - 2011-08-01 07:58

    Wakefield you Tosser! There is a big leap from Club rugby to Currie Cup. A bigger leap from Currie Cup to Super rugby! If they aren't good enough they shouldn't play. In 50 years from now you're still going o want a player of colour selected merely because of his skin tone! Effing Idiot! Get over your shame of being coloured and lets get on with rugby!

  • rob barrie - 2011-08-01 07:58

    Clearly Wakefield and chronies have nothing else to add to the game - a question is what he actually added all the years? They can only complain and wants tokens whilst not working for it. Actually they must acknowledge that after all the years the ability to elevate themselves and be competitive is just not there. What a shame

  • BokBru - 2011-08-01 07:59

    Typical. Cannot get in the side on merit so what else is there. Make it a race thing.

  • Alan guy - 2011-08-01 08:02

    "The current state of affairs also does not make the team very popular with the public" winning games makes the team very popular with the public........ we support the team not the colour of it, and if they are winning then dont fix what aint broke

  • sean - 2011-08-01 08:04

    Ok ... so Pieterson and Habana are injured, Aplon when over with the B team and also picked up an injurie and De Jong is currently with the B team. Maybe we should stop promoting players of colour up to national level that way the CC teams will look alot more representative. The other option of course is to just push a few players up to CC level that are no better than Varsity cup level with obvious repercussions.... 22 % ... Whats the percentage whities in the Chiefs soccer team by the way ?????

  • Kobus - 2011-08-01 08:04

    It's either a mixed team or the Currie Cup. You're not going to get both!

      Kaapie - 2011-08-01 09:21

      It is clearly for color bias that under achievers like Olivier get a number of opportunities to cement their place in national sides and they cant come up with the goods.

      HanHan - 2011-08-01 13:10

      Kaapie - Well, now you speak the truth, but why is he in the squad? Because he's white? No! There are a number of centres who will add more value to the Springbok squad. I taught at a countryside school in the Boland. 20% of our boys were coloured, but 40% of the 1st rugby team and 60% of the 1st cricket team were coloured. We worked strictly on merit and klapped large schools.However, I cannot tell you whether they can cut it above schools/local club level. The jump is huge. However, I support good old trials like in the old days. Select 4- 6 teams and sift them, but, PLEASE keep WAKEFIELD off the PARK!.

      Khatman - 2011-08-01 14:27

      @HanHan Were you a school teacher?

      Khatman - 2011-08-01 14:28

      @HanHan - sorry but I don't agree with your statement, you imply that my brothers of color cannot make it up there?

      HanHan - 2011-08-01 18:32

      Yes, Khatman, I was a teacher and I can tell you my players were like sons to me.I can tell you many incidents which will prove that the emotional gushing from whoever - and that also applies to SLEEPFIELD. - If he is professional he woul handle it in a professional way. - Many of the coloured boys had excellent hands and swift feet. However, they were not always physically that big which did not mind that much at schools level. Unfortunately size has ruled the roost in the past three decades. Imagine Frik du Preez - he was approx 1.85 - playing lock today! It just is not easy to step up when you play against guys who are just that much bigger and stronger. However, if there's a ring of truth, let us have good old fashioned trials and take it from there, but Wakefield loves the results - what does he know about coaching under pressure at top level?

  • gmain - 2011-08-01 08:04

    just another legalised racist shooting his uneducated load.......

  • SAFFA-CAT - 2011-08-01 08:07

    Eish. Looking at the very classy U/19 and U/21 WP teams who both beat the Bulls on Saturday as well, I see many many many players of colour, selected on merit, who will be making the step-up to senior rugby in the next few years. If there was NO representation what-so-ever in any of the so-called 'senior' teams (incl U/19's, U'21's) THEN I would worry Mr Wakefield.......but for now you are looking for sh*te. PS: I saw you on Saturday stuffing your face, and having a BLAST - it certainly didn't look like you were "overly concerned" about the teams 'make-up' then. Pfffft.

      Maori - 2011-08-01 08:24

      @Saffa-Cat, that is exactly the point. These youngsters in the U/19 and U/21 sides do not come through to the senior side. Why? Is it because there are suddenly better players (who are coincidently white?) or what are the reasons? Logic says these youngsters must progress through the ranks when they are good enough. Maybe they do not know how to handle big contracts? Maybe they are not ready to be economically emancipated (hear JuJu in this?). I can onloy think of one reason why these youngsters (even on national U/21 side) do not rise through the ranks and it has nothing to do with their rugby abilities.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-08-01 08:46

      @maori - We all know that the WP union was mismanaged on a large scale since the advent of professionalism - fact. In terms of financial management, politics, structures, selections - you name it - it was mismanaged. BUT: Since late 2007/2008, things have started coming right - then you get a stuff up like our Craven Week team this year (so many Paul Roos players - when they have been woeful) and one wonders if things really HAVE come right. This 'gripe' however has more to do with all the UCT players (Brache, Fenton-Wells, Demetri, Lobberts) than what is has to do with between the lines mate. Take a look at the U/21 team: Mbovane - LEGEND, Tythan Adams, Coleman (who was injured again sadly!), Carr, Ntubeni and co - and tell me these players will be "forcibly stopped" from making the step-up shortly?

      Kok - 2011-08-01 09:15

      Unfortunately, you only see players of colour in the juniors ranks at WP and then you see them again at another union on senior level.

      Kok - 2011-08-01 09:20

      It's a money thing Maori.

      Kaapie - 2011-08-01 09:23

      Agree with moari on this one. That is exactly what Wakefield is saying. Pity he didnt open his mouth when he was manager of the WP team and it happened!!

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-08-01 09:23

      @kok and Maori - Considering you 2 support the Crusaders (who are on record as saying that they MAY NOT select more than 6 I think it is players of colour per run on team - racist somewhat?) - should you not rather be emailing them frantically?

      Brannas - 2011-08-01 09:26

      yeah I agree, the WeePee must use more homebred boytjies and stop buying has beens from other provinces. put some more kapies in the team ekse'. dan sal julle mos die ander spanne lelik moer en die cup sommer elke tjaar wen my bru.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-08-01 09:29

      @Kaapie - what players would move up and who would you replace? In the current team. Nazaam Carr could replace Kitshoff on the flank. Coleman - well he was injured again on Saturday in the U/21 game (1st game back since injury). Who else would you elevate to the senior team right now?

      Kaapie - 2011-08-01 09:42

      @ Saffa.. I have said it is about opportunities.. the key word.. What about Hartzenberg, Adams. Yet we have Pooolman and JJ who has been given a lot of time to cement his place. Look at how much 'colored' talent has left the Cape for that reason. Clearly you are a journo I dont need to mention names here. Brache ans Sampson come to mind. A player like Dollie was NEVER given the time to settle yet we had a crap flyhalf like DE Waal who played well fater his sell by date.. Those are the issues that I am talking about..

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-08-01 09:50

      @Kaapie - I am not a journo-promise. I would rather chew through my own wrists than join those vultures. I was asking you, as I respect what you say on these forums - that's all.

      Kaapie - 2011-08-01 10:32

      @ Saffa the issue that peole fail to grasp the the priciple of the matter..On these sites it is only seen as black vs White and what amazes me is how racist whites actually are.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-08-01 11:00

      @Kaapie - sadly, there are racist schmucks in every segment of society (plenty whites, but NOT limited to whites at all) - Me, I just pray that I live long enough to enjoy the day when everyone in this 'bitter' country calls themself a SOUTH AFRICAN and expects to be judged as such. Not a white, brown, black, yellow or green South African - just plain frikkin South African. With the 'sh*te' coming from all sides......I somehow doubt I will see it in my lifetime - buy hey, hope springs eternal.

      Lanfear - 2011-08-01 11:39

      @ Kaapie - yes I have also been amazed and ashamed at the blatantly racist comments here on News24. And not only from whites. Perhaps for the balance, you should read a bit of the Sowetan online and so those comments. Much the same only from the "other" side of the field. As to the complaint that rugby is still "too white". Well, a lot of blacks and coloureds don't WANT to play rugby! Its soccer all the way for most. Start grassroots programmes at primary schools to shape and develop talent. To just fill a team with weaker players to adhere to race quotas is ridiculous. @ Maori - oh please, do you really want to tell me that these young players are "held back" because they are not white? Prove it. Prove that they are good enough players for the national or big provincial sides. Do you really think the best players won't be chosen? Then you are stupid, for there's BIG money in rugby and the teams want to win and to pick mediocre players because of [any] colour is not only stupid but a waste of profits. Now the real question is, where are the whities in Bafana, the Swallows, Pirates and so forth? But I suppose, as usual, noone will answer this.

      Maori - 2011-08-01 11:56

      @LanFear, I sugegst you go ask the soccer administrators about soccer, this is a rugby article. Why do so may players of colour (who was born here) play in other provinces? Is that because of better contracts? No, because of opportunities they are given there. Not in WEEPEE. Te verkramp in die Kaap.

      Whoosa - 2011-08-01 12:28

      @ Kok and Maori - dont understad what u 2 moegoes are complaining about? You (province-seeming that you 2 legends are cruFaders) have a brown coach (the only 1 in the country at this level, forget about pdv cause we all now hes another political ballzup). Is he not to be held acauntable for the lack of color in his side? sure as hell he has the biggest say in sqaud selections? Kwotas/political interference will be the downfal of sport in this country and that is a fact! I mean just go and look at the rest this country and its economy, every bloody thing is going backwards. And last but not least, wtf do you to care, as far as i now there are more than enough color in the saders side???? O ja and another thing skaapie, wake up and smell the coffee. its not only white people who are racist, go and read the soweto. So in my opinion - you lot can cry me a river.

      Kaapie - 2011-08-01 12:45

      @ LAnfear. the argument about colored and blacks not playing rugby is as painful as the racist argument. Of course there are plenty of colored/black kids playing soccer but there are plenty colored playing rugby. The school I went to( a coloured school) played rugby only, no soccer. That argument is stereotypical and doesnt hold. Historically rugby has been strong in coloured areas, in the western cape and in the Eastern Cape. @ Saffa.. your comment to Maori about the u/21 team is precisely. The boys not are given the opportunity at the higher level. And that should be the argument. If the 'colored laaitie' doesnt make after having been given opportunity the he doesnt make it. Someone else must then play. A case in point tht also comes to mind is Paul Delport who was never given time to play the 15 man game by WP coaches.

      Lanfear - 2011-08-01 12:50

      @ Maori - I don't agree with you, I do think its mostly because of bigger and better contracts. Besides, if WP was so verkramp [and I agree there, not a fan!] then why did they buy Habana from the Bulls? And yes, this is a rugby article but the level of hypocrasy is astounding.

      Damian@bulls - 2011-08-02 06:42

      @ Saffa cat More my ou vriend . Al verskil ons sienings oor spelers en natuurlike spanne... Wil ek graag met jou gesels oor die bogenoemde kommentaar deur mnr wakefield. Ek gaan vanoggend eerlik wees en ek het dit al vir jou gese op vorige blogs en artikels. EK het vir jou gese los jou opsessie met die BBRU en sy spelers en gaan soek die foute by jou provinsie se ringkoppe , het ek dit nie gese nie saffa cat? Baie geluk met julle indrukwekkende oorwinning saterdag. Terug na my punt wat ek graag wil maak, met die talent en bronne in die wes kaap, moet wp/stormer rugby SA rugby oorheers punt. Die probleem in wp rugby is politiek , en jy weet dit. Dis baie hartseer vir my, want alowel ek altyd die wp as my aartsvyand sal beskou, het ek die grootste agting en respek vir 'n unie wat \n ryke en trotse geskiedenis het. Ek wens baie wp manne kan so voel oor die bulle. Dis waarom jy so passievol oor jou span is die trots.... wel so voel baie van ons bulle ook en dit was ook nie lekker om saterdag te sien hoe ons verneder word nie.geniet hom saffa cat

  • BLOODY AGENT - 2011-08-01 08:08

    Wakefield,jy is te voor op die wa

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-08-01 08:17

      Hell @Alwyn - This 'complaint' has come from a few clubs....and I am willing to bet I know exactly which clubs are the ones making the most noise. It is because THEY have very few representatives in the current WP setup (age group levels and Currie cup) that they are whinging again.... The ACTUAL complaint is about UCT having so many players in the Senior team.....This is the OLD story of WP rugby - club wars, which turn into political wars. Fact.

      Kok - 2011-08-01 12:27

      Wakefield is reg.

      BLOODY AGENT - 2011-08-01 13:02

      Adam Tas,kry n lewe,jou Nama uitlatings is irriterend,jy het duidelik n chip op jou skouer,n mens kies jou beste span nie jou swartste span nie.en dit is nie rasisties nie,enige swart speler wat sy plek verdien sal ek eerste wees om te se hy verdien dit soos Chilliboy,Mvovu,Mtwarirwa,so gaan skree vir jou all Blacks

  • BokBru - 2011-08-01 08:12

    I think he's a Bulls supporter. WP is winning and he does not like it. How can we weaken the team so the Bulls can beat them?

      JohnnyBB - 2011-08-01 10:57

      ...but still no cups .... .....since 2001...

  • Tessa de Necker - 2011-08-01 08:12

    OMG - Correct me if i'm wrong... Maar hulle het VêR beter as die bokke gespeel saterdag...So Kleur is nie die probleem nie!!!!!

      gmain - 2011-08-01 08:29

      lol tessa. what team in the whole world could possible have played as badly as the bokke?

      nick - 2011-08-01 12:26

      Tessa.... please can you explain what OMG means ?

      Kleinboet - 2011-08-01 12:30

      No, gmain, what Tessa is saying is that if WP picked undergrade white players just for the racism of it, we would lose like the Bokke. We won handsomely because we have an excellent team - white and coloured and black, excellent each and every one!

      BiggestBull - 2011-08-01 12:47

      What does OMG mean?

      Edynot - 2011-08-01 13:02

      It means Oh my God... jissis tog mense kan ook netnie meer vir hulself dink nie...

      Chuck Norris - 2011-08-01 13:44

      Ag jisis mense

      Neles - 2011-08-01 16:36

      oh em gee

      IBI - 2011-08-01 22:30

      Moet nou nie godsdiens in die stront insleep nie

  • Popit - 2011-08-01 08:13

    Anyone still wondering why SA rugby is going for a ball of sh*t? What ever happened to selecting the best players? As a sports person, don't you want to be selected based on merit rather than your skin color?

      Rugby Pa - 2011-08-01 08:40

      Stem saam. Het regtig geglo ons is nou verby die kwota kwessie en dat talent hier deurkom ongeag Kleur.....het op onlangse 0/18 Toernooi gehoor hoe sekere ander top provinsies sukkel om gehalte spelers van kleur in te sluit terwyl dit by WP glad nie die geval was nie. Niks klop Meriete nie!

      Chuck Norris - 2011-08-01 13:43

      It's happening everywhere, not only to sports personnel. Such is life in this "rainbow" nation. Skin color, then Relatives and Friends, followed by merit.

  • BardofAvon - 2011-08-01 08:15

    Do these people have no shame?

      Shaun Petersen - 2011-08-01 14:16

      lol crazy ppl, all that counts is the team winning, I am not white and yes sometime we want some colour but when colour mess up the game we want white lol. End of the day, its a team effort even if there was one black or white player. Only reason people complaining cause the top managers and coaches are weak. I have seen many a players that could even have boost the stormers squad but noooo, rather eat a 5 star meal that cost R160k than add 3 more players lol. Always an issue black or white lol no one mention coloured, indian, asian etc.

  • slg - 2011-08-01 08:15

    In other words, not enough damage has been done to rugby in South Africa. From world beaters to perpetual losers. Springbok rugby is dead. It's Protea time, with its incessant mediocrity.

      Muna - 2011-08-01 22:10

      Me I support anybody playing against the boks this world cup. Because if we win it again, the troglodite little people in government will be parading around like they achieved it, and I do not want to give our little people that satisfaction. Go Aussies.

  • lassie95 - 2011-08-01 08:17

    Why do players take this crap? They should quit or go and play in Europe. Politics destroyed this wonderful game.

      Kleinboet - 2011-08-01 12:37

      Exactly, the white players play their hearts out for WP and win handsomely, just to be told they should not be in the team. In essence they are told to go and make way for quote players. Also, they are told that if they stay on in the quota team they must be prepared to lose a lot and take the blame for it.

      mcnasty - 2011-08-01 15:14

      politics (current government )are stuffing up the whole country so rugby will be no exception,atleast there`s some things they can`t destroy that we`ll always have the `best` of ,weather,beer,braais and last but not least,our beautiful south african woman.

  • Beam me up - 2011-08-01 08:17

    You should be FIRED! Wakefield...go work for Kaiser Chiefs, Ajax CT or Orlando Pirates and see if you can force them to include White players into their teams.

      Derek - 2011-08-01 08:38

      Exactly, just one white player (Hans Vonk) in the starting line up the entire season at SA's three premier clubs. White youngsters are hugely discriminated against in junior soccer structures hence so few players moveing through. Speak out about that! not rugby stuctures bending over backwards to accomodate ALL South Africans.

  • Dan - 2011-08-01 08:19

    Any consideration to merit? I really thought we are past the days of official quotas. What has sport to do with colour - if you are purple and good enough, you should play. If they say 90% of the players in WP are coloured and only 5 gets selected, surely it must mean that the development of the palyers are not good enough or just that there are 17 white players that specific week better than the 90% black players. In business and politics quotas work as performance is not enev close to the ageneda of government, but on the sport field it is all about performance. You can't hide quotas on the sport field. I would say WP should throw the ball back to the clubs and ask them to explain why they are not doing a better job at developing their players.

      Kaapie - 2011-08-01 12:46

      Dont wonder why no one comments to you statement?

  • Roman Moroni - 2011-08-01 08:20

    Here we go again...these guys won't rest until WP Rugby is as useless as Boland and SWD after they were through with them. Rassie, go and coach the Melbourne Rebels - there at least they are looking for excellence and not this kind of nonsence.

      Kleinboet - 2011-08-01 12:43

      Rassie is not coaching the WP, it is AC and he is a coloured himself. I think he is as embarrassed as we are because his success with WP is thrown back into his face in this way. Why do you think Thelo Wakefield decided to go public on an internal affair? Politics!

  • Boxxer - 2011-08-01 08:20

    Whites only complain when blacks bring this 5h1t up otherwise they have NEVER in the past complained about Banana Banana or Boxing being too black. Get over the fact that whites are far superior at Rugby and Cricket and blacks are far superior at long distance running, boxing. GET OVER IT!!!

  • Robert - 2011-08-01 08:21

    This is such a broken record - get a life. Put the best player into the position - this guy and Malema should get together.

  • EvoZA - 2011-08-01 08:24

    Once again another 'Julius' opens his mouth! When are you going to learn its about the team and not the colour. You don't support the team because they are white or black or red or green but because it is YOUR TEAM! Stop turning everything into a racial discussion! Another ID10T...

  • Hux - 2011-08-01 08:24

    You stupid racist moron. If you are sure of yourself pick a team and then play against the current team and see who wins. Winner take all.

  • adrian.manchest - 2011-08-01 08:24

    I am a coloured supporter from Cape Town. I believe that every player should be picked on merit no matter what colour he is. If the coloured guy is not good enough then do not pick him. Picking him will make the player feel inferior to the other players because he was not picked on merit at all only because he needs to fill the quota of the team. I am so against that hey, One sport that needs affirmative action is Football, you cannot tell me that there are white and coloured players in this country that are unable to make the Bafana team. Just plain rediculous i say.

      Kaapie - 2011-08-01 09:25

      Adrian, a question to is are you playing any sport at competitive level and if so are you aware of the political nonsense that goes on.

      johncarlos.biza - 2011-08-01 11:14

      ""coloured players in this country that are unable to make the Bafana team" - for f*ck's sake, the team is 30% coloured and has a coloured captain. What the f*ck else do you South Africans want?! Does anything at all ever make you happy?

      kurtvs - 2011-08-01 20:50

      You must be Allistair´s brother.

  • Borris(6) - 2011-08-01 08:25

    And yet again we are back to this... WP has not won any silverware in ages and now you want to come and say how the side must be chosen!!! You CANNOT choose players not ready to play that level!!! You pick the BEST POSSIBLE side to win the cup!!! Why would any person in his right mind choose anyone less than the BEST??? We are not there to breed players, we are there to WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Hux - 2011-08-01 08:26

    I assume this idiot will also insist that the chinese and asians and japanese ands bushman and other races will be guaranteed at least one spot in the team. Moron.

  • BryanJhb - 2011-08-01 08:28

    Doesn't the idiot notice the fact that the "WP Currie Cup side that BEAT the Blue Bulls 35 - 7 on Saturday included three players of colour". Now they wonder why the Boks are becoming the laughing stock of the rugby world. It is a fact that the vast majority of the top SA sports ppl in non-team sports are whites (all the golfers, swimmers, tennis) and thats simply because no racist team selection can prevent this. Also interesting is that Oscar Pristorius did not even crack a nomination for the 2011 SA disabled sportsman of the year run by Dept of Sports & Recreation.

  • RobinHood - 2011-08-01 08:28

    Continue like this and You wil not be veru popular with the public - the Loyal Paying Public that is. Do you want to play the boring colour game or WIN???

  • Jim - 2011-08-01 08:28

    Hey dont worry Thelo , summer is on the way and the players will make a plan for you with the hot sun and some great sun toning.

  • - 2011-08-01 08:30

    I agree! WP is winning far too many games and is playing may too good! Lets try mess it up now! Idiots!

  • MikeL01 - 2011-08-01 08:32

    South African football is too black. I want to see more white people in our football teams.

  • BigMoose - 2011-08-01 08:33

    Stuff the Currie Cup. Cape Town can have the Gatsby Cup, Durban can have the Bunny Chow Cup, Jo'Burg the Pap 'n Vleis Cup, Bloemfontein can have the Klippies Cup and the Eastern Cape can have the Empty Cup.

  • stefventerza - 2011-08-01 08:35

    All again about too little coulor, why does Bafanna Bafanna has no white players in it? Let the best do what is best and leave the rest out off it. Come on people, get a real life and real work, Maybe it will help you to focus on better things.

      johncarlos.biza - 2011-08-01 11:18

      I agree. If the best soccer players are coloured and black, they should make Bafana. Similarly, if the best cricket players are white and coloured, they should make the Proteas. Funny thing is that coloured players are the only ones sufficiently represented in all three major sports

      InternetMan - 2011-08-01 13:06

      Why is that funny John?

      johncarlos.biza - 2011-08-01 16:34

      @InternetMan funny as in odd and ironic, considering what Wakefield says

  • Vaughan - 2011-08-01 08:35

    Mr Wakefield you are SUCH a bore. Get a life.

  • Travis - 2011-08-01 08:35

    So sick of this, players who are good enough to play must play, leave politics out of sport.

  • Jakkalsgat - 2011-08-01 08:36

    Ai jai jai Mr Wakefield and "Camiel Phillips"...The last thing a Lion's supporter wants to see is another top team struggling just because some bloke wants to read his name in the papers and management screwing up again. I enjoy watching rugby with people of all "colour" as each brings their own unique personalities. What I don't enjoy is watching rugby with anyone who sits in the stand just because "Dis ma bra daai op die field" or "My broertjie from another moertjie wat daar speel". If you want to bring more players like Ricky Januarie, then start your own team and call them "Wee Pee" but if you want to bring more players like De Jongh, I'll be more than happy to watch them play for WP...

      Kaapie - 2011-08-01 09:27

      Let me say to you that JAnuarie plyed for the Boks and NeVER let his side down, unlike WO and Spies who get to play a whole lot of games and dont deliver...

      InternetMan - 2011-08-01 13:08

      Even though I think kaapie is a idiot blinded by racism i agree with the above comment. January faced some pretty unfair critisism

  • jantjie09 - 2011-08-01 08:37

    First they are unhappy because wp hasn't won anything in a decade, and no once they started to win now their is a problem with the players, you just can't satisfy these guys.

      kurtvs - 2011-08-01 20:53

      What did WP win??

  • Graydon Meneses - 2011-08-01 08:38

    I wouldn't think that Alistair Coetzee is keeping coloured players out of the starting 22 because they're not white. Wakefield might be right that more players of colour are needed, but that's not an issue that should be forced, and Coetzee is not a stupid guy. Of course you can understand coloured children in the Western Cape would feel closer to heros/role models that are also coloured, but that doesn't mean that white or black players aren't also their role models. Seems to me it's just Wakefield trying to get his name in the headlines.

      Kaapie - 2011-08-01 09:28

      Last year he was saying how good a player Marcel Brache is.. never gave him an opportunity to play.. now that is what one calls lip service.. I dont think AC has the balss to make tough calls..

  • bill - 2011-08-01 08:39

    But you are prescribing you inarticulate tosser.

  • Pundapie - 2011-08-01 08:40

    15 yrs odd years into the "Rainbow Nation" dream and we still debate the complexion of our national teams. Who cares, these are professional teams paid to do a job. The job is to win and to win consistently. You play the best players that money can buy. Color be dammed.

  • Ryan Tunney - 2011-08-01 08:40

    Hey, no one's gonna complain if you start your own "blacks only" team or "blacks only" rugby union. I promise you us whites aren't gonna complain. Go ahead and good luck son.....hope it all works out for you.

  • Klippie - 2011-08-01 08:41

    Look at scoreboard 35 - 7 , winning is what tell , not the colour !!

  • edalsg - 2011-08-01 08:42

    If you dont like it then resign. If the "colourful" players are good enough then pick all 15 --but PLEASE ---stop this rascist drivel : Choose the BEST of Any colour .

  • Thabo - 2011-08-01 08:43

    ....and also, there zero white soccer players in the PSL and that needs to change very soon.

  • Syndrome - 2011-08-01 08:44

    Another racist to add to legion of racists who are in power

  • jeanmariedutoit - 2011-08-01 08:45

    Now i understand why they let players like JJ and Sadie go with an idiot like this making suggestions saying they have to pick more colored players. These guys will never get it do you love the game or do you love politics, if you love politics please go join a party and run for mayor or something but keep your nose out of sport. One cant afford today to leave any deserving player doesnt matter what color out of a team. I am a big a huge wp supporter and if they keep losing players to provinces i obviosly hate like the bb , because of their color ill start supporting another team. Dont they have a job for this idiot at the spears.