WP again in CT Stadium talks

2011-11-09 22:12

Cape Town - There are renewed talks about Western Province possibly playing their rugby matches at the Cape Town Stadium.

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Theuns Roodtman, the Western Province Rugby Union's chief executive, told Die Burger newspaper that they "are in talks with the city" (Cape Town's City Council) about a possible move from Newlands to the new stadium in Greenpoint.

This possible move was previously discarded as "impossible". Roodtman was not willing to elaborate on the issue.

Grant Pascoe, Executive Mayoral Committee Member for Tourism, Events & Marketing, said Cape Town's City Council would welcome the move from Newlands to the Cape Town Stadium.

"These are tough and honest discussions. It's not an easy decision for the WPRU. There are various role players. Newlands is 100 years old and there's a lot of sentiment."

According to Die Burger, Newlands has a capacity of 45 000, compared to the 55 000 of the Cape Town Stadium.


  • rosswallaceza - 2011-11-09 22:17

    Just bloody move there already!

      Boetjan - 2011-11-10 00:37

      I might be mistaken about this, but if i recall correctly, WP rugby own newlands. Why should they have to pay to use a stadium when they own their own one not far away. And it wont be cheap to use the cape town stadium either.. And then newlands become the white elephant... And then there's the history of Newlands and rugby.. These things should've been sorted out BEFORE they decided to build a new stadium. And again, if i recall correctly, the cape town staium was the most expensive of all the world cup stadiums we built.

      Michael - 2011-11-10 00:43

      If only it were that simple. There are more issues than just 'sentiment' that make the move a difficult decision. The biggest of which is that WP Rugby own Newlands, thus it does not make financial sense to move to a location they would have to lease. Add to that the matter that there is a gross inadequacy of private suites at CT Stadium (and a seemingly endless list of other considerations to be made). The only way I see WP Rugby moving to CT Stadium, is if there are some serious concessions forthcoming from the CT City council. It would probably have to involve the city trading a large share of the ownership rights of CT Stadium to WP Rugby in exchange for Newlands (the land it sits on must be worth a decent sum in terms of development rights alone). Such a move would probably result in the City taking a hit financially, however this would have to be quantified against the potential losses that it would have incurred should CT Stadium have remained unoccupied for the long-term. The new stadium is truly world class, and should the move be made, I expect that in time supporters will find it to be a more than adequate location in which to build new memories. I love Newlands, and have many great moments of her stored in my memory bank; but it is with some sadness that I concede that it is time that we seriously considered moving on. I hope that both parties are able to reach an amicable decision in the best interest of the game, team, and supporters.

      Dirk - 2011-11-10 06:01

      For those who now control rugby in SA, history and tradition, means nothing. If they could destroy history, they would do so- a conscience hardly exists, and of course, they love to appease the politicians.

  • Burtfred - 2011-11-09 22:19

    Newlands is the home of WP rugby. Nothing more to discuss.

  • Pieter - 2011-11-09 22:28

    And it should be in the B-division, they've had their chances in the Currie Cup, if you can't win it once in a decade you never gonna win it. JOKERS OF WORLD RUGBY

      dawiej - 2011-11-09 22:44

      And you are prob a blue bulls supporter right ? Sorry, who did the blue bulls play this year in the Q finals ?....... Say again ....?

      Pieter - 2011-11-10 01:33

      @dawiej How many finals did WP/Stormers make this year? How many cups? Bulls under-19 won, under 21 in final and also Vodacom cup final. Next please..

      ruan.geldenhuys - 2011-11-10 07:24

      The poor blue bulls supporters they can't talk about the super15 or the currie cup because they were they give the other teams grief..get a live are useless..and the blue bulls under 21 won a mug shame..haha..we are not talking about under 19 or under 21 or vodacom cup rugby..we are talking about the big boys..and shame again the bulls did'nt make a Q-finale or a semi-finale..just wonder who are the JOKERS OF WORLD RUGBY now?????

      Jed - 2011-11-10 07:39

      Pieter we one the Conference Cup in the Super 15. Better than the Bulls under 19 cup. Next please.

      Koos - 2011-11-10 07:40

      @ ruan, When was the last time that wepe won a cup? Any cup?

      Blou - 2011-11-10 07:46

      Dis elke jong laaitie se droom om die Conference,Neotel en Choice cups te wen.

      Koos - 2011-11-10 07:49

      @ vallemj, the Conference Cup? whahahahahahhaha, its a consolation-prize nothing more

      Jed - 2011-11-10 09:33

      Koos? Did the Bulls make any play-off this year?

      Blou - 2011-11-10 09:47

      Vallem, WP/Stormers have reached 1,000,000 playoffs over the last 11 years but still no cups.

      Koos - 2011-11-10 10:09

      @vallemj, its only one year, the Bulls are rebuilding there team and will be back to there winning ways soon. Wepe on the other hand will still be chokers of world rugby.

      ruan.geldenhuys - 2011-11-10 10:45

      @koos can we please have your mothers number..because the wp would be back to winning ways if she could spent some time with them..and by the way, the bulls can't beat the wp with pretoria players so now they buy players from the wp to try and beat them..and let me tell you somthing my friend its not going to happen..the bulls would need the hole SA ARMY to beat the wp...

      Stefan - 2011-11-10 10:48

      @Koos, are your insights on WP's failures your only defense for the Bulls being nowhere this year? Not even your attempt to spite the Lions by buying Vermaak could earn you a place in the playoffs. Admit it, the Bulls are a bunch of has-beens. I can't see them winning any (real) cup within the next few years.

      Jed - 2011-11-10 11:03

      I remember the last time Bulls where building a side. 11 losses out of 11 in the super 12. Ended bottom of the Super 12 how manys times. 3 times? Cant remember Province ever been that bad. We still have more Currie Cups than you. So until you reach us. Go sleep with your sister inbred.

      Blou - 2011-11-10 11:16

      Ja nee, die WP het sommer n klomp Currie cups gewen. Dis nou voordat Noord Transvaal begin saam speel het.

      Koos - 2011-11-10 11:35

      @ruan, wepe/stormers could not won a cup with all the players that they bought from the Lions, Cheetahs and Bulls not even the players from overseas could help the stormers. The Bulls only buys the players that wepe rejects and then use them to kick serious wp ass(remember F Houhaard?) @Stefan, for the past 10 years you could not get 1 prediction right not even 1. Goodluck for the next 10years, you're going to need it

      Koos - 2011-11-10 11:47

      1.10 jaar beker loos! 2.Laaste 22 jaar net 3 Curriebekers 3. Wepe moet meer as 70 jaar in die gekiedenis gaan delf om meer Curriebekers as die bulle te wen 4.Bulle wen 23 Curriebekers van af 1939,die wepe tot 1914 terug gaan om 23 te wen 5.wepe kon nog nooit n Superbeker wen nie 6.Drie wepe rejects help Bulle en Sharks om n paar Curriebekers en 3 Superbekers te wen(Derick Houghaard, Francois Houghaard,Brent Russel) 7.Jong wepe sterre staan tou om by Bulle en Sharks te speel(If you can't beat them join them) 8 Grootse ondersteuning vir NZ/Crusaders buite NZ= Nuweland(as ek na die wepe se rekord kyk kan ek dit verstaan) 9 Luke watson wil op springbok trui kots terwyl hy vir wepee speel WP is toe Nie so lekading Nie ! ! ! ! ! !

      Stefan - 2011-11-10 12:00

      Kosie... Why on earth would you assume that all the supporters whom do not support the Bulls support Province. So far the only one getting predictions wrong are you my friend. I also find it quite interesting that you choose to mention the history, but that your history only started at 1914. Why not mention what happened before then? Yes I know, it is because you found that Province in total have won far more Currie Cup titles than you guys... As I mentioned before, you guys are a bunch of has beens...

      ruan.geldenhuys - 2011-11-10 12:02

      @Koos, kani onthou dat F hougaard van die wp af kom nie so kry bietjie jou feite reg..dis ma sleg as jy 'n bul ondersteuner is ma jy ken niks van jou span nie shame man..ek ken 'n goeie sielkundige as jy hulp soek laat weet my..en die spelers wat die bulle van die LIONS en oorsee gekoop het en gekry het kan ook nie eers die flou blou bul spannetjie in n semi kry nie..dink so daar aan my friend die naaste wat die bulle aan 'n semi gaan kom is wanner hulle met mekaar speel..

      Blou - 2011-11-10 12:05

      Stefan, die enigste rede hoekom WP meer Curriebekers as die Bulle bewen het voor 1914 is omdat die Bulle toe nog nie bestaan het nie, idioot.

      ruan.geldenhuys - 2011-11-10 12:22

      Blou, dit vat 'n idioot om een raak te sien my friend..pateties.. gaan syg maar bietjie speen daar by jou ma..het gehoor die lekker..

      Stefan - 2011-11-10 12:25

      Jy is 100% reg blou. Voor dit was Noord-Transvaal en Transvaal nog een unie. En presies hoeveel bekers het hulle in daardie tydperk gewen in vergelyking met WP??? Ja, idioot. Hulle het bestaan net nie as 'n unie op hulle eie nie. O en so terloops, bekers word nie bewen nie, maar gewen!

      Blou - 2011-11-10 12:45

      Stefan, Transvaal het die Bulle teruggehou. Ruan, ek suig eerder jou ma se spene, R20 a shot.

      Koos - 2011-11-10 12:54

      @ruan, het jy al gehoor van Goole?"Francois and Stephan were scintillating at the Under-19 World Cup and they impressed everybody. They were not contracted by Western Province in the 2007 season and they were available for negotiations. I met with them as well as their parents and they will fit perfectly into our structures and our style of play." "according to his agent, Chris de Beer "Hougaard" signed with the Bulls because with "Ricky Januarie, Bolla Conradie, Paul Delport and Conrad Hoffman as Western Province's contracted scrumhalves it makes more sense to seek an opportunity elsewhere.

      Koos - 2011-11-10 13:02

      @ruan , wie het die Bulle van oorsee gekoop?

      Koos - 2011-11-10 13:19

      @stefan lees weer punt 3. Wepe moet meer as 70 jaar in die gekiedenis gaan delf om meer Curriebekers as die bulle te wen

      Stefan - 2011-11-10 13:21

      Ag siestog.Het die Leeus julle teruggehou? Verskonings gaan jou niks in die sak bring nie. Daar staan nĂªrens dat die Bulle teruggehou was nie. W.P. 32 titels, Noord-Tansvaal 23. En hel maar jy betaal duur om spene te suig. Jou sussie leen hare verniet uit.

      Stefan - 2011-11-10 13:24

      @Koos... Lees weer my laaste boodskap. W.P. 32, Bulle 23...

      Koos - 2011-11-10 13:28

      interessant dat dieselfde spelers wat in 2002 nie kon wen nie het 3 super bekers gewen! Pasop voor julle die Bulle afskryf, julle gaan aan julle eie woorde verstik

      ruan.geldenhuys - 2011-11-10 13:30

      Blou, ai fooi tog jy betaal nog, jou ma was verniet gewees gistraand, ma ek sal nie weer nie dit was nie lekker nie dit voel as of 'n mens 'n walvis probeer stoot met al die moet bietjie by die gym uit kom..

      ruan.geldenhuys - 2011-11-10 13:36

      @Koos, is dit waar jy al jou goed in die lewe kry? shame bra..jy moet jou geld gaan trug vra by jou skool want hulle het jou nie opgevoed nie..Garry en jaco kom altwee van oorsee af my friend..en dit het niks gehelp nie..

      Stefan - 2011-11-10 13:39

      Ditto Koos...

      Koos - 2011-11-10 13:40

      @ruan, koop vir jou n woordeboek

      ruan.geldenhuys - 2011-11-10 13:45

      @Koos, my friend gaan koop vir jou 'n IQ, want joune is nog in jou ma se baarmoeder...

      ruan.geldenhuys - 2011-11-10 13:52

      @Koos, jyt darm 'n baie groot bek vir so klein seuntjie..daar is dinge in die lewe waar voor 'n mens moet dankbaar wees, en ek dink jy moet nou bitter dankbaar wees my VRIEND!!!

      Koos - 2011-11-10 14:02

      @ruan , Jaco is gebore in JHB en Gary in PTA. Jeugland was nog nooit n goeie skool nie.

      ruan.geldenhuys - 2011-11-10 14:11

      O hel koos ma jy is darm ma 'n vaak vissie..jy moet bietjie iets kry om jou mee besig te hou, lyk my tot tannie palm het nou al belangstelling verloor, dis hoekom jy so baie kan stront praat..jy was seker in kempton waar jy in stap met 'n tas en uit met pram..soos ek gese het jy moet maar net dankbaar wees..

      Koos - 2011-11-10 14:14

      ruan jy moet eerder go-karts ry, want van rugby weet jy niks, of gaan spyker weer n walvis jy het mos ondevinding

      Koos - 2011-11-10 14:18

      @ ruan, ek is danbaar, ek kon soos jy gewees het!

      ruan.geldenhuys - 2011-11-10 14:24

      koos, sterkfontein hospitaal was nog nooit 'n skool nie..en met so gevreet sal ek eerder weg gekruip het..en ja ek het ondervindingt met 'n walvis want jou ma ek het jou gehad gistraand my vriend ma ja soos ek se..

      Koos - 2011-11-10 14:46

      @ruan, jou sussie is die beste ! ! ! ! !

      Koos - 2011-11-10 15:02

      @stefan jys reg die wepe het 32, die Bulle 23 en sharks 6 Super bekers Bulle 3 wepe 0 sharks 0 Lions 1

      ruan.geldenhuys - 2011-11-10 15:10

      @KOOS..nee ma hoop jyt dit geneit my ek kry jou so jammer, jy gaan nooit weer dieselfde lyk nie..jyt nog baie om te leer my your back!! lekker draad trek verder!! passop dat jy net nie 'n bicep skeur nie..met daai tannestokies vir arms..

      Koos - 2011-11-10 15:37

      @ruan , met jou patetiese liefdes lewe is jy seker die draadtrek koning

      Koos - 2011-11-10 16:13

      @ruan is jy en Dewald Kemp nog saam? Of het hy jou gelos?

      ruan.geldenhuys - 2011-11-11 07:58

      @ pieter, ja ek hoor daar is 'n plek oop by casa caritas vir jou familie want lyk my julle almal is jys meer as welkom om te gaan want ek dink jy't die hulp nodig..o ja en jy hoef nie te worry nie hulle saai die rugby daar uit, ongelukig het hulle net nie tiolet papier vir die trane nie hulle gebruik tampons..daai ene wat tussen jou ma se bene uit kom..

      Stefan - 2011-11-11 08:11

      @Koos. Om die hele dag gebruik te maak van Google maak jou nie 'n rugby kenner nie. Dit beteken jy het nie 'n lewe nie (en heel waarskynlik seker ook nie eers 'n meisie nie). Jy ken jou rekenaars dit sal ek vir jou gee, maar maat hoe verveeld moet jy wees om mense op Facebook te gaan opsoek en hulle persoonlike inligting teen hulle te gebruik. Is jy een of ander stalker of wat? Tipies...

      Koos - 2011-11-11 15:29

      @stefan. nee eks nie heeldag op google nie dit was maar n tip aan ruan sodat hy nie meer sy naam so gat maak nie. Aangesien julle so kinderagtig is om persoonlik te raak en mens se ma's te beledig het ek gaan kyk watse pateet raak sulke goed kwyt, wonder maar net wat se opvoeding het julle gekry? Dit is baie dom om sulke aanmerkings te maak terwyl jou facebook profiel se privaatheid stellings nie reg is nie.

  • francois.roux1 - 2011-11-09 22:46

    While there's a lot of sentimental value to Newlands, I think a move to Cape Town stadium would be very good. Just the removing the parking problem around Newlands alone would already be a huge relief. It's a moerse irritation to have to look for parking everytime and pay extortionate amounts of money to park.

  • Grant - 2011-11-09 23:14

    What's going on?? A few months back it was reported that the greenpoint stadium was going to be pulled down and a shopping centre was to be built. Also, before the start of the football WC it was reported that the new stadiums were built using inferior cement from China. What can you believe? The bottom line is that Green Point stadium should never have been built as it was only going to be needed for one month. It is now a white elephant. Viva Newlands! Just sort out the parking.

  • sean.looney - 2011-11-10 01:38

    this has to happen as far as im concerned. other great sports teams have had to change to new stadiums and others are looking to do so. if it was as easy as having the space and money to redevelop newlands into a truely world class stadium id say fair play but the truth is newlands is horribly outdated and there's no space to expand or improve it. there are many benefits for supporters and players in moving to CTS and if all role players and interested in making this work it will. saying this i still think there is a place for newlands in our rugby future. why not take a leaf out of what european rugby teams are doing and use CTS for marquee games (such as springbok, super15, latter stages of curry cup) and keep newlands for regular season curry cup games and vodacom cup games. the 2 could mutually exsist although i think that if the move is made wp rugby are going to want to sell the land newlands is on.

  • Blou - 2011-11-10 06:38

    Maak nie saak waar hulle speel nie, hulle gaan aanhou choke.

  • gareth.mann - 2011-11-10 06:53

    Having been to both Newlands (many times) and the new stadium, I've got to say that from a spectator standpoint, there's no contest - the new stadium is definitely superior. It also has the advantage of easier access (more parking in the area, plus the option of a park 'n ride from UCT), as well as having plenty of bars/restaurants within walking distance for post-game drinks! This would be a positive move for both WP and the city as a whole, so hopefully it will happen!

  • Michael - 2011-11-10 07:21

    Keep it at NEWLANDS - Years of memory and sentiment for the players and the fans!! By moving it you not going to gain 10 000 more seats, you will probably loose 10 000. #whats the point?

  • clivegoss - 2011-11-10 07:43

    Get on with it . Move it may just improve your rugby as well ! ! Newlands is old it smells the weather sucks and there is no parking. The move to Mouille point is a no brainer. As long as it not the WP selectors that have to make the call.

      Blou - 2011-11-10 07:49

      It smells like pee.

  • hendri.schoeman - 2011-11-10 08:18

    Sad that this might happen, but if we want to see ANY proper test matches (Think All Blacks, Wallabies and Lions) in Cape Town again then we'll have to move. I see there isn't much in store for CT test wise next year as well? So much for the 'home of SA Rugby'. Seems EP and Soccer City have become the be all and end all of test rugby in SA.

  • Koos - 2011-11-10 08:18

    Reasons to move to Cape Town Stadium 1. Adequate parking 2.Having plenty things to do when wepe choke again(Waterfront) 3. Sharing the stadium with soccer actually means that wepe's trophy cabinet can be used again

      Blou - 2011-11-10 08:41

      Meer WP supporters sal Ajax hemde dra om soos wenners te voel.

      johan.blertsie.cilliers - 2011-11-10 08:45

      Did you forget, regardless of who wins what cup in SA, the trophies always stand at Newlands

      Koos - 2011-11-10 08:55

      L'ets not forget that papsak and tik will be more available,wepe supporters going to need all the help they can to get throu the game.

      Koos - 2011-11-10 09:33

      Newlands haven't been a happy hunting ground for wepe anyway in the past 20 odd years

  • Johan - 2011-11-10 08:28

    The biggest problem I have with these new stadiums are the narrow "in goal" areas. They are half the size of the traditional rugby field ones and makes the little through kicks almost impossible, Takes away the excitement factor a bit. From a defending point of view, it also puts the flyhalf under even more pressure, not caused due to opposition pressure, but by pure lack of space. Its just a silly thought to want to move over, with a serious lack of faith in a supposedly " Champoinship side " already...Just doen't make sense. And yes, I am a Province supporter

      hendri.schoeman - 2011-11-10 09:33

      That's true for Soccer City but not CT Stadium. It has a bigger surface than Soccer City and is the size of a standard rugby field.

  • vanrooyenmara - 2011-11-10 08:59

    Ja laat hulle trek dalk wen hulle dan n beker.....

      Blou - 2011-11-10 09:07

      Nee wat, hulle het meer as n nuwe stadion nodig om hulle te help.

  • Sulaiman - 2011-11-10 09:15

    What about all the hotels and bars and around Newlands that depends on rugby matches , and I don't think we need a 80000 seater staduim anyways just impractical most of its supporters are in the suburbs that white elephant should be demolished and a school should be built there,

      Koos - 2011-11-10 10:20

      @ Sullaiman, the biggest white elephant in Cape town=wepe's trophy cabinet

  • Jack - 2011-11-10 10:30

    Despite cheaper costs ti Ajax they only only attracted 75000 minus 2 chiefs games(52000) in 9 games to stadium averaging 3500 at ct stadium this season.WPRU attracts 380000 in 9 superrugby games averaging 42000 and that is why the city is pushing for wp as anchor tenant or some form of operation contract.Newlands costs R15m a year to maintain.the city is willing to put more corporate suite in the stadium.The new stadium also have better sight lines,lighting,access and more space behind the poles.Move WP but on your terms remember the city needs you.The stadium wont survive with 16 soccer games(160000 attendance) and 2 concerts(100000)attendance the city has already admitted that they only going to make R1m from soccer games this season and are desperate.

  • garethwilliams84 - 2011-11-10 11:34

    Why not just play all the Stormers games there, & the WP games in Newlands?

  • Andre - 2011-11-10 16:11

    @Koos & @Blou For guys that hate WP that much you sure as hell love reading their news.......probably because the Bulls aren't news worthy?!

      Koos - 2011-11-10 16:32

      @andre, ons is Rugby kenners en dit is ons plig om ons kennis te deel

      ruan.geldenhuys - 2011-11-11 08:06

      @koos, jou plig is om 'n d@@s te wees..

      Koos - 2011-11-11 15:31

      @ruan, nee wat dit is waarvoor jy daar is

  • Pieter - 2011-11-10 18:08

    @Koos Moenie jou asem mors op hierdie klomp breindood wesels nie. Hulle weet so goed as enige iemand hoe pateties WP/Stormers is en sal aanhoudend vir jou vertel hoe WP die meeste CC gewen het, en gerieflikheidshalwe nie die streep trek van 1938 af toe die Bulle begin speel het nie. Ons almal weet en stem saam dat die Bulle SA se mees suksesvolle span is en totaal dominerend was die laaste dekade. Hoe kan jy nou 2 spanne vergelyk en meer as 40 jaar vir die een toelaat om bekers te wen terwyl die ander nog nie gespeel het nie. (en hulle Griekwas en OP gespeel het) Anyway, dis dieselfde klomp breinchirurgies wat reken die Choice cup maak hulle nou wereldleiers. So val maar net rustig op die mat neer en lag lekker uit jou sphincter van Oddi uit, jy het met gestremdes te doen

  • Franklyn - 2011-11-11 09:17

    Cant see it happening,unless the Council virtually hands-over the Stadium on a platter to WP rugby...hell it will be a pleasure for parking sick of walking 5ks to Newlands match day,Newlands is still the home of WP,but its time for a change..this is the ideal opportunity,there is a helluva lot of rugby going to be played,10000 extra seats...

  • Gabiba - 2011-11-11 21:59

    Koos u are completely lacking in class. How small is ur penis anyway?

  • Willie - 2011-11-19 06:25

    Let's hope these parties actually agree on a settlement that would be a win-win. We love the history of rugby - so pack the tropies and photos and bring it to the new stadium! Better transport, facilities, fantastic fan walk, and regenerating life into the city bowl on weekends! Ratepayers will benefit from this move. Say no more... We live in the most beautiful city in Africa!

  • Willie - 2011-11-19 06:29

    I think a big brother had something to say about the embarrassing Sacarens saga. Does the surname Rupert ring a bell? Lets move to Greenpoint, enjoy the game, save some money for the ratepayers and forget about minor personal issues

  • llinnett - 2011-11-19 07:25

    The only reason WP are in this predicament, is that they are short sighted.It does not mean that have to play all their games at Cape Town Stadium, just play the big games at Cape Town, that is maybe 4 out of a possible 15 games. What is so hard about tha. Who cares that they won Newlands. That will always be the home of SA rugby.

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