Trophy-less WP hurting

2011-10-24 20:00

Cape Town - If success is measured against the number of trophies won, Western Province rugby has failed, senior professional coach Rassie Erasmus said on Monday.

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"If one measures success by trophies, then we were not successful," he told reporters in Cape Town.

"In two seasons now we just couldn't get over the last hurdle. I'm taking it on the chin."

Province last won the Currie Cup in 2001. But Erasmus, who served as the Springboks' World Cup technical consultant, said Province had been creating a winning habit.

"We created a winning habit by getting into Super Rugby and Currie Cup semi-finals and finals. I won't say we are going backward."

Western Province, by virtue of being the biggest union the country, have by far the biggest pool of players, from the junior to the senior ranks.

In the past decade, WP teams have won numerous age-group events, national club championships and university tournaments, but have failed to win any of the prestigious tournaments such as Currie Cup or Super Rugby.

Currie Cup coach Allister Coetzee said he and the players were "hurting" after they were dumped out of the competition by the Golden Lions at the weekend.

"We're all hurting, not only the team management but the player group as well. But the match against the Lions didn't go as planned," Coetzee said.

"I know people will point out that we had all those Springboks back, but as you saw the presence of Springboks don't guarantee success. It's a setback, but I'm still confident in the future. There's been a big improvement in terms of developing leadership and the mix of players.

"I'm under contract at Western Province until the end of 2012 and still want to win silverware with this team."

Erasmus confirmed that Springbok centre Jaque Fourie will join Japanese club Panasonic Wild Knights. Fourie will start playing in Japan from November and will remain there until the end of the season, which could be around March, depending on if the Knights reach the playoffs.

Fourie will then return to the Stormers for Super Rugby duty, along with flyhalf Peter Grant who is also playing in Japan.

Apart from Gerhard van den Heever, the Blue Bulls utility back, Province have not made any other signings, but are still in the process of talking to Joe Pietersen who they released to French club Bayonne last year.


  • Citroes - 2011-10-24 20:19

    HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!! Rassie ou maat - so lank as jy lightweights soos Brok Harris op jou boeke het, en aanhou om vleuels en senters te koop, gaan julle niks wen nie. Jy gaan dit nog heelwat op die ken moet vat.

  • Francois - 2011-10-24 20:21

    Rassie, you can even take it up the %#$^^&, for all we care. Get rid of that goody two shoes Coetzee who always have the greatest of stories to tell except on how he will apply discipine in his team. How many walking yellow carders does Coetzee pick and not to revert to the Ricky debate - everyone knew that even Ikey's second team's scrummie was better. How many times are we still going to hear that good youngsters have gone off to greener pastures just to win trophies for those teams? How many times is Coetzee going to say bonus points don't matter? Look at the log - it mattered or Coetzee cannot do maths.

  • Jerry - 2011-10-24 20:46

    Well Rassie....NEWSFLASH to you and all the other plonkers in the WP coaching staff......STOP HOLDING ONTO USELESS PLAYERS LIKE HABANA AND KEEP PLAYERS LIKE JJ ENGELBRECHT AND SADIE TO NAME BUT 2. THEN GET A DECENT FRONT ROW SO THAT THE TIGHT FIVE CAN PERFORM AT CURRY CUP LEVEL BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE WP STINK....!!!! Either that or be prepared to remain winless for years to come...!!! Hell....knowing them, they will most likely sell Demetri Catrakilis and Nic Groom pretty soon too because that way they can buy players like Os Durant out of retirement...!!!!

  • Sedick - 2011-10-24 20:49

    U have not won any trophies because you have a week pack of forwards, but you continue buying back line players - idiot...Whey would you want to buy another back in Gehard Van Den Heever for piets sake.....u let Sadie and Engelbrecht go for Heever? Why? U have enough classy backs in WP rugby. Buy some locks and props. WP will never win a cup with the tight forwards that they currently have........did u forget the CC and S15 finals last year? and the S15 this year? AND on Saturday....not sure what you and Alistair are watching, but it can't be the rugby that WP are playing...De Kock Steenkamp & Adriaan Fondse are not cutting it. Fondse is brain dead, and gives away at least 3 penalties every game....and the he looks shocked every time.....

      paul.ramncwana - 2011-10-25 08:43

      Well said Sedick I just need to add something we need a fetcher too.

      Steenbra - 2011-10-25 12:44

      How about Mujati heard is one of the top TH in their league. And then it is about selections and proper ones.

  • David - 2011-10-24 20:55

    For all the players you guys got from other provinces you should have done better. Heaven help us if they make Alister Coetzee,or Rassie Erasmus the new sprinbok coach.

  • Hermann - 2011-10-24 21:12

    I am a WP supporter and as such let me say WP's weak point is they are relying too much on Springbokke in the team, while they have far better players on the side line.

  • gregory.f.dean - 2011-10-24 21:15

    ... and there are suggestions that Allister Coetzee could be the next Springbok Coach???

  • Brannas - 2011-10-24 21:45

    Bhahahaha, the story of their live, TROPHY LESS, HAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!!!!!!.

  • Pieter - 2011-10-24 22:00

    Guys, you know exactly what you have to do to get into the trophies:- buy us some sturdy props and get us some back-up locks, plus another fetcher. Without forwards to speak of we are going to keep on suffering!

      Pieter - 2011-10-26 01:17

      @Pietertjie Ag ou resies vlieg, loop le kaal op jou sussie. Jy's vervelig man

  • Andrew - 2011-10-25 00:00

    Rassie, Allister: We're not available for Bok job Source:

      Koos - 2011-10-25 07:28

      Dit is n groot terugslag vir wp rugby !

  • Kevin - 2011-10-25 06:06

    Alistar Coetsee is not a winning coach . Finish and Klaar.

  • Gershwin - 2011-10-25 07:45

    I've been hurting for the last 10 years already

  • Annette - 2011-10-25 09:29

    Die grootste en rykste Unie EN DAN KOOP JULLE NOG SPELERS BY KLEINER UNIES? SIES! Ek dink die koppe is te groot. Die grootste Unie met die grootste potensiele spelers tot hulle beskikking en hulle ''steel''? Waar is die afrigter?

  • Paul - 2011-10-25 09:32

    die enigste lekker ding in die wp is die scenery - die res is maar van self sprekend soos die rugby statistieke die laaste jare teen die muur wys. sterkte vir volgende jaar! weepee!

  • Douglas - 2011-10-25 12:01

    WP supporters were all mouth! our Bokke are back, the Lions are going to get trapped! As said, the teams rely to heavily on the Bok players & it didn't work! Serve your management right in doing so! The CC team was good, but they were left on the sideline, now that is what i call unfair! To battle the whole season only to be left out because the Failing Boks are back? " GO LIONS!!!! "

  • Oukoos - 2011-10-25 13:01

    Die enigste vreugde van die 2011-rugbyjaar is die transformasie in die Noorde: Blou Bulle --> Vlou Bulle --> Nul Bulle. Nege (NEGE!) springbokke in hul span en die Griekwas stamp die Nul Bulle onsemonieel uit die kwarteindrondte uit. Arme arme Nul Bulle

      Koos - 2011-10-25 13:39

      Jou span is maar pateties as hy jou geen vreugde gee nie! ! ! ! Raai wat die Bulle gaan weer wen terwyl wepe se wit olifant leeg gaan bly

      Oukoos - 2011-10-25 14:37

      KOOS my vriend, hoeveel vreugde het jou span jou vanjaar gegee? Wees eerlik met my en met jouself.

      Pieter - 2011-10-25 15:26


      Pieter - 2011-10-25 15:32

      @Oukoos Pieter van Niekerk, ons kan deal met 'n jaar. Hoeveel vreugde het jou span jou gegee die laaste dekade. Tot julle coach admit al julle is useless

      Koos - 2011-10-25 15:43

      @ Pieter van Niekerk, ag nee wat 1 jaar maak nie saak nie en ons juniors is in die finaal

  • Christo - 2011-10-25 13:57

    Kan iemand se wat van Stephen Nell geword het? Hoekom is hy so stil? Dalk sit op Nuweland en wag vir die volgende WP game! Hy sit dalk in die pawiljoen agter die pale en dink hy oor al die "drek" wat hy vir WP ondersteuners opgedis het gedurende die seisoen! Mnr Nell, vat jou pak soos 'n man!

  • Jou - 2011-10-25 15:14

    Klomp kaapse gemors

  • jacques.ackermann - 2011-10-26 11:00

    dit is seker hoekom helfte van die cape flats die crusaders en die all blacks ondersteun. allister no cups coetzee is n joke saam met sy hele afrigtings span. rassie het al n cc gewen all ten minste. dis net dom idiote soos isak wat so n span sal ondersteun.

  • Eugene - 2011-10-29 11:19

    wp wont win anything while players r pickd on da basis of bng white enough nd clrd players r bn ignoredapparently theres non gud enoughj out of 10 000

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