Heat firmly on WP, Bulls

2011-07-21 15:19

Gavin Rich - SuperSport

Johannesburg - The two teams who have won the Absa Currie Cup the most in the history of South Africa's long-running domestic competition will be the ones under the most pressure when the second round of fixtures in the 2011 edition is played this weekend.

Both Western Province and the Blue Bulls have been robbed of the bulk of their usual squad by Springbok call-ups and a combination of other factors, but the fans of the two respected unions will still be demanding success after both teams experienced hiccups in the opening round.

The Bulls were comprehensively outplayed by the Sharks in Durban, while WP were held to a draw by Griquas. Considering how weakened WP are that result would not have been a surprise to everyone, but at Newlands they should expect to beat Griquas regardless of how many players are missing.

Province coach Allister Coetzee did make a good point this week when he said the Currie Cup this year should be more about readying players for next year's Super Rugby than about winning the trophy. With Super Rugby now extending over so many months and demanding so much of the participants there is no longer any lingering question about which is the more important competition.

However Coetzee will also know that the Stormers' chances next year will be best served by a winning environment at Province over the next few months, so his side can't afford to slip up again when they play the Platinum Leopards in Potchefstroom on Friday night. WP have lost Gary van Aswegen to injury and will be fielding Demetri Catrakilis, the Varsity Cup-winning UCT flyhalf, in a Currie Cup starting lineup for the first time.

Although the Leopards lost heavily to the Cheetahs last week, Coetzee has noted an improvement in the Leopards, and given the way his side has struggled in first phase just recently, it is unsurprising that he is a bit wary.

"I don't know where they get them from but the Leopards seem to always have big locks and they have a big pack generally," said Coetzee.

Of the two fierce rivals, who will clash at Newlands the following week, it is the Bulls who have the tougher ask this weekend. They play the Fre State Cheetahs, and though they have home ground advantage, that means less to them against these opponents in this competition than it did in the past and it would in Super Rugby.

In the under-strength domestic season, the Cheetahs are formidable opponents anywhere, and there recent record against the Bulls is a good one, with their last defeat to them in the Currie Cup coming in the 2009 final, when the Bulls were at full strength.

So it's a tough ask for the under-pressure Bulls, and their coach Pine Pienaar knows they have to lift their performance significantly from last week.

"To beat Free State will require a great effort from us and we will have no choice but to respond to the pressure that we face. No team can afford to lose a home match in this competition," said Pienaar.

With basically their entire first choice pack out, the Bulls are in the unusual situation of being up against it in precisely the area where usually they are strong.

Realistically the Cheetahs and the Golden Lions, as the Super Rugby teams that have lost the fewest players, should be favoured to play in the final this year, as they did in the last World Cup year in 2007. But one top side that might cause us to rethink that is the Sharks, who were impressive in their Durban opener and who, because of the recruitment of Frederic Michalak and Marius Joubert from France, boast a useful and experienced backline.

They shouldn't have too much trouble seeing off the challenge of the Pumas in Nelspruit on Friday night, but for the Lions it is going to be far tougher as they go to Kimberley to play against Griquas on Saturday afternoon. The Lions battled more than anticipated against the Pumas last week and Griquas start as marginal favourites for this game.


  • jk - 2011-07-21 15:27

    as a wp- im not going to complain about our bk losses, this team will take it all the way, the attitude is right...

  • jk - 2011-07-21 15:29

    griekwas-luiperde-pumas, fs en bulle het weke gehad om op hul beste te wees. party ander unies speel semies saam met die groot menere

      Peter Britz - 2011-07-21 15:52

      En party unies speel net tot by die semi's want hulle wen nooit die semi's nie!! Gaan praat iewers anders poef! WP het nou presies 10 jaar laas iets gewen!!

      jk - 2011-07-21 15:59

      peter- ek dink ons almal weet dit teen die tyd al-bulldozer en raven herhinner ons gereeld, en dis ou nuus en afgesaag...

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-21 16:22

      Ou nuus, afgesaag en waar.

      jk - 2011-07-21 16:24

      almal weet dis waar, so wat moet ons nou daaraan doen? wen is die enigste opsie, en die afgelope 2 jaar is dinge dramaties omgekeer

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-21 16:47

      Omkeer en trofees wen is 2 verskillende dinge.

  • Paul - 2011-07-21 15:34

    Dear subscriber Blue Bulls games will no longer be shown on Supersport channels, as Supersport is the Channel of Champions. Blue Bulls games will be moved to the History Channel.

      jk - 2011-07-21 15:36

      or animal

      Chillipop - 2011-07-21 15:39

      How about Cartoon Network? That may be a better fit...

      watalife - 2011-07-21 15:44

      Good comments for a late afternoon, they should not even get there games on FM

      jk - 2011-07-21 15:46

      or the gay channel, apparently if you a bulls fan you get the gay channel for free

      jk - 2011-07-21 15:50

      watalife- nou praat jy, nie eers on khosi fm nie

      Louis - 2011-07-21 16:00

      ek dink die bulls moet op FTV speel .want wynand olivier se hare het meer gel in as wat my kar petrol in het en ek het hom netnou vol gemaak...

      Balsakhater - 2011-07-21 16:06

      Dear subscriber WP games will no longer be shown on Supersport Rugby channels, WP games will be moved to the Cricket channel. Where Chokers play. WP Chokers for 12 years. WP SUCK

      Louis - 2011-07-21 16:10

      balsakhater@daai is die kakste comment wat ek in n lank tyd gesien het...

      Balsakhater - 2011-07-21 16:40

      AS jy wil uit deel moet jy ook kan vat . ne. Ten minste kan die Bulle gesien word as champions want hulle het darm al Bekers gewen. En sommer 3 keer Super 14 Champions. Wat kan die WP se. Bogger ol.

      BlueRaven - 2011-07-21 16:54

      Balsak die Wie Pie se wat hulle altyd se: watch ons volgende jaar!

      Bricktop - 2011-07-21 17:35

      Bulls games will not be moved to history channel but will from now on be shown on comedy central.

      Bricktop - 2011-07-21 17:37

      @balsakhater, ons deel uit en kan vat, maar asb moenie jou naam gat maak met sulke patetiese jokes nie.

      BlouBos - 2011-07-21 19:21

      @Paul- where have you been, that joke was told in 1989, this is 2011. WP - 10 years and no Cups?

      nixcroft - 2011-07-22 14:33

      lol, and all WP/Stormers games will be on the physic channel. Supporters winning the trophy at the start of a competition...and poof ! nothing come finals time

  • Bulldozer - 2011-07-21 15:35

    The Blue Bulls can take the heat. We've all seen how the pretenders have been reacting to the raised temperature over the last 10 years though.

      jk - 2011-07-21 15:39

      zzz...same crap..zzz

      Chillipop - 2011-07-21 15:41

      ...Until you played the Sharks in the Super Rugby competition...always best to cut your losses while you're ahead...because, when you are the Blue Bulls, your die hard fans will still talk about all the victories that you HAD...

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-21 15:54

      Are you Chilliboy's dad?

      jk - 2011-07-21 16:00

      no, my kid will support wp rugby, soos jy in chilli se comment kan sien support hy/sy die sharks

      Louis - 2011-07-21 16:11

      bulldozer@jy is deer die kak... elke jaar begin die CC van vooraf hou op om in die verlede te praat toe dit raak nou verveelig...

      BlueRaven - 2011-07-21 16:12

      if you are a WP Stormers fan all you can do is talk about the wins still to come... you know the drill, just watch us next year! lmao

      Louis - 2011-07-21 16:23

      u will be better yes and u know why cause u buy our players... stupid idiot..hhahahaha ofcause u will be better but still not good enough to beet

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-21 16:24

      Louis, jy remind my aan die vlieg op die ou 'Doom' advertensie. Bye bye Louis.

      BlueRaven - 2011-07-21 16:40

      Louis dis net vervelig vir julle, ons vind dit steeds baie amusant dankie :) 10 Years NO CUPS and still counting whahahahaha

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-21 16:48

      Ek herhaal net gou wat my vriend Raven gesê het: ''Louis dis net vervelig vir julle, ons vind dit steeds baie amusant dankie :) 10 Years NO CUPS and still counting whahahahaha''

      BlouBos - 2011-07-21 19:25

      10 years and no Cup, 11 years and no Cup, 12 years and now Cup.....................50 years and no Cup...............100 years and no Cup, Armageddon and no on and so on............

      Carl Muller - 2011-07-22 07:57

      Bulldozer, die manne spandeer die meeste tyd om die Bulle af te kraak. Hulle het seker nie iets beter om te praat oor hulle eie ou spannetjies nie...... As ek niks goed oor my span kan se nie, dan los ek die ander spanne liewers uit en kyk na die moii rugby wat daar gespeel word. Bulls forever......

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-22 11:30

      100% Reg Carl.

  • StBad - 2011-07-21 15:38

    Pretty naive thinking that Griquas should've been a walk over...

  • watalife - 2011-07-21 15:38

    WP Management....No excuses will be tolerated by the fans you have had 2yrs to bolster the young guns and now the pressure is on to show your fans that you are worth the money you are paid. WP are in a good position and lets show them how its done.

      jk - 2011-07-21 15:44

      agree watalife, we are western province, we are everything what rugby in SA stands for, from paul roos to maties to the most currie cups etc etc..., we MUST get 5 points and win by 35 points

      watalife - 2011-07-21 16:03

      I will be shocked to the core if they toss this one up, My weekend will be even better when the bulls lose. bulls...suck

      Tools1 - 2011-07-21 16:05

      WP Management to Watalife ...... but weve been giving excuses for 10 years now. We are used to this loosing culture. Why change now.

      gooinat - 2011-07-21 16:09

      @Watalife,another Bulls loss will seriously dent them bigtime,we need to pull finger as well!!!!

      jk - 2011-07-21 16:17

      agree gooinat

  • Bulldozer - 2011-07-21 16:00

    Can I make a sincere suggestion to WPRU? Why don't you move your base to somewhere on the Highveld? Since rugby is still predominantly a wintersport and while the Highveld is much colder in the winter than in Cape Town, it will benifit you guys to play most of your rugby in the colder conditions since you seem to struggle with the 'heat'. Global warming kicked on about 10 years ago and you stopped winning anything 10 years ago. Coincidence? I think not. Just a thought, use it, don't use it.

      Chillipop - 2011-07-21 16:04

      Kicked on? Nice... Thank goodness that everything happened 10 years ago and HAS been happening over the past 10 years...what else would you have to refer back to ALL THE TIME!

      gooinat - 2011-07-21 16:20

      Lloyd,Balsakhater is he a cousin of yours???????

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-21 16:25

      No gooinat, but great minds think alike.

      gooinat - 2011-07-21 16:29

      Ok just checking!!!!

      Sh@rks Fever - 2011-07-21 16:36

      Hey no matter what a ass you can be I can laugh at your comments. How do you come up with these things. Love the one about Chillipop.

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-21 16:51

      In my line of work, I need to have a sence of humour to try to cope.

      Kleinboet - 2011-07-21 23:51

      Bulldozer, anybody crossing the Vaal River from South to North, immediately loses the ability to think straight. To play rugby, you must be able to think straight. Stop your cheap tricks to try and lure us into becoming as useless as you are. PdV has done you the favour of taking all your hasbeens and worthless players off your hands, and still you cannot manage to put a proper team together. Seems to me since global warming kicked in, you guys have failed to breed ANY players at all. (Yes, I know you've won the Currie Cup, the Super14 Cup, the Kakpraat Cup, and many others in this period; but it was with players born and bred BEFORE global warming set in, and they are now hasbeens.) If you continue in this way, the Blue Bulls will have to withdraw from competitive rugby due to NO players at all!

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-22 07:47

      Kleinboet, no cups 10 years.

      BlouBos - 2011-07-22 08:17

      @Kleinboet - jou goedkoop rubbish sweat talk beteken net mooi zero. Hou dan ook op om Bokke te koop, maak julle eie. Soos my vriend Bulldozer sê, 10 jaar geen bekers.

  • Balsakhater - 2011-07-21 16:07

    Dear subscriber WP games will no longer be shown on Supersport Rugby channels, WP games will be moved to the Cricket channel. Where Chokers play. WP Chokers for 12 years. WP SUCK

      Mike@CapeT - 2011-07-21 16:53

      It wasn't funny the first time!

  • Balsakhater - 2011-07-21 16:07

    Dear subscriber WP games will no longer be shown on Supersport Rugby channels, WP games will be moved to the Cricket channel. Where Chokers play. WP Chokers for 12 years. WP SUCK

      Bricktop - 2011-07-21 17:40

      Ai genade tog en jy gaan aan met jou swak grappie. Jy was seker die laaitie op skool wat ñ grap vertel het en dan kliphard alleen gelag het.

      Bricktop - 2011-07-21 17:41

      Hier gaan ek ok maar alweer, bulls games gaan op comedy central uitgesaai word hoor.

  • jk - 2011-07-21 16:28

    baai al my fans. ciao!!!

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-21 17:15

      Het jy agtergekom niemand het terug koebaai gesê nie?

      Bricktop - 2011-07-21 17:42

      Baai jk.

  • Francois - 2011-07-21 16:29

    "Considering how weakened WP are.." Oh. And the Bulls had their first choice 22 in Durban didn't they?

      Sh@rks Fever - 2011-07-21 16:43

      To put everything into perspective the Sharks,Bulls and WP all lost about 15 players, so we are all weakend. However as it stands the Sharks made some arrangements for back up in Michelak and Joubert and we always had some good depth in guys like Burden, Daniels, Terblanch etc. So we in a good place. The Bulls although losing against the Sharks will improve. They just need to get some agression into their tight five. About WP I am a bit worried. Your fly half woes continues. Question is will Liebenberg, Koster and Sadie etc get them to the top.

  • Harry Davidson - 2011-07-21 17:29

    LISTEN ALL - bugger the manne from BOBBEJAANBERG, - the were REALY KLAPPED last week - as long as we continue our way, they will be KLAPPED again !!!!!!!

      Carl Muller - 2011-07-22 07:59

      Did you borrow that name, don't think you can afford it.

  • Harry Davidson - 2011-07-21 17:32

    Sorry WP but the Bulls (???) were not KLAPPED, they were MASSECRED !!!!!!

  • Ryno - 2011-07-21 21:12

    Die Bulls is huidiglik die houer van hoeveel trofees? Soos Bulldozer praat het hulle die Amateur beker, O/19, O/21, Vodacom Cup, Currie Cup, Super Rugby en die Tukkies wen die Varsity Cup vir die afgelope vier jaar.O ja en dan het hulle ook die "SA Conference gewen" Waar kry die Bulle plek om al die bekers te stoor? Dink hulle is verskriklik goed kan nie glo mense se hulle het sewende geindig die jaar nie en dit met hulle vol span nie, waar kom die mense aan die snert hoekom vra hulle nie net vir Bulldozer nie hy weet hoe goed hulle is. Dis net die W.P wat met die flou verskoning kom van Curiebeker 5 jaar in 'n ry gewen. Hulle leef in die verlede die Bulle is die span van nou!!!

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-21 21:30

      Moenie woorde in my mond sit nie.

      Oukoos - 2011-07-21 21:44

      Bulle: 'n Bekerlose 2011 wag op julle

      Kleinboet - 2011-07-21 23:58

      Die Bulls-ondersteuners hou ook die K - kpraatbeker vir die afgelope 50 jaar, moenie vergeet nie!

      Carl Muller - 2011-07-22 08:01

      Ja boet, die ander manne raak nou vervelig..... Maar hoe se die ingelse "Jealousy makes you nasty, Jealousy makes you nasty"

      BlueRaven - 2011-07-22 09:48

      Oukoos isn't it amazing when you refer to the Bull's having no trophies you can only come up with the year 2011? But if you start pointing out the years WP / Stormers have been without trophies the list looks like this: no cups 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 and I have a sneaky feeling the list will grow longer still ;-)

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