Daniel a glaring Bok snub?

2011-07-16 22:30

Comment: Rob Houwing, Sport24 chief writer

Cape Town – Keegan Daniel’s storming start to the Absa Currie Cup as Sharks captain on Saturday is bound to open up fresh debate as to whether the Springboks are missing a trick in the key position of open-side flank.

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When they finally get there, of course -- the sound mechanical health of a Qantas replacement jet perhaps a fairly important determinant -- the weakened Bok squad will limber up in Sydney for their first Tri-Nations assignment against the Wallabies next weekend.

All the smoke signals suggest that, with Heinrich Brussow likely to stay in cotton wool for a while longer despite his presence among the party, the Bulls’ Deon Stegmann will start at No 6 on Saturday, alongside Danie Rossouw and Ashley Johnson as the loose trio.

And a few people in Durban and a bit beyond, frankly, may well be wondering whether Peter de Villiers and company have picked the right stand-in whippet for the job, if that indeed turns out to be the case.

That school of thought was reinforced at Mr Price Kings Park as Daniel, recently named as the defending champions’ skipper for the duration of the campaign, turned in a rip-roaring performance against the Blue Bulls, Stegmann’s own franchise, who were put to the sword by four tries to one.

Admittedly Daniel operated at No 8 in a strong-gelling alliance with Jacques Botes and exciting rookie Marcell Coetzee, but all the qualities that also define his “fetcher” play were consistently in evidence as the Sharks got off to the proverbial flier in the domestic competition.

There is something about the scent of a blue jersey in front of him that always brings out the best in Humansdorp-born Daniel, still not the most physically imposing loosie you will ever see but hardly lacking in the ticker department or for all-round skills.

He was an up-tempo combatant from start to finish and the perfectly justified choice – let’s face it, sometimes they get this accolade all pear-shaped – as man of the match.

The 26-year-old’s pace in open play and on the break came in extremely handy as the Sharks produced constructive, crowd-pleasing passages of play they hadn’t always managed, it must be said, in an iffy Super Rugby season for them, despite that late surge into the finals series.

Often the “eight, nine, 10” synergy is as vital as that of the loose trio themselves, so with scrumhalf Ross Cronje a revelation and the seasoned French international Freddie Michalak also oozing purpose and vigour in the flyhalf channel, the Bulls defence had its hands full in the unexpectedly thumping 35-16 reverse.

Arguably the best of the Sharks’ quartet of touchdowns came when, conveniently just before half-time, Cronje showed delightfully silky footwork in exploiting a gap before all three loose forwards handled the ball, Coetzee doing the finishing task.

Daniel gave the deft final off-load to the blindside flank, and it was a demoralising concession by the Bulls, because it took the Sharks two scores clear as the teams went down the tunnel, a situation you seldom felt the blunt visitors would be able to recover from.

No true Springbok supporter will wish Stegmann any ill-fortune if he does, as expected, start on Saturday, but it is also probably not unfair to say that a wee bit of extra pressure will be upon him to make an impact, given Daniel’s rapid “statement” in the first round of the Currie Cup.

Both players toured the northern hemisphere with the national side at the end of last season, with Daniel missing out entirely on caps while Stegmann, by contrast, debuted against Ireland and started each of the three subsequent Tests.

But he also didn’t set the world alight on the slower, heavier pitches – South Africa had toured, remember, without the injured Schalk Burger -- and was often substituted some time before games had run their courses.

At Super Rugby level, Stegmann tends to get penalised for breakdown offences rather more frequently than Daniel does, and plays second fiddle to him also for general dynamism and X-factor.

So it is safe to say that in Sydney, perhaps in a faster and drier environment on Saturday, the Bulls man must urgently silence a few knockers, many of them KwaZulu-Natalian, I fancy ...


  • Agile - 2011-07-16 23:13

    "Both players toured the northern hemisphere with the national side at the end of last season, with Daniel missing out entirely on caps while Stegmann, by contrast, debuted against Ireland and started each of the three subsequent Tests." Writing more rubbish Rob: Keegan was capped against Ireland, wasn't he?

      Howzitekse - 2011-07-17 07:50

      Stegman is a quota player, like Spies.

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-17 08:30

      En jou ma.

      GraemeBB - 2011-07-17 09:52

      @Howzit - you are a quota on this forum.

      Agile - 2011-07-17 13:12

      Rob Houwing, a glaring troll? Handling errors also mean a loss and possession and territory for your team, and in the long run points against your team, or points that your team fail to score. Since Rob mentions the S15; Handling errors: Keegan Daniel made a handling error every 8 handle counts. Deon Stegmann made a handling error only ever 27. Stegmann BY FAR neater. Rucks attended: Keegan Daniel: 257 Deon Stegmann: 561 Daniel didn't even do half the work there that Stegmann did, NOT EVEN HALF! To make it worse, Daniel played 1140 minutes, more than Stegmann- 1070 minutes. What the heck was Daniel doing all that time? Knocking on? Stegmann was a better defender as well with more tackles and a 95% success to Daniel's 89% On top of that: Gainline success with ball in hand: Keegan Daniel 69% Deon Stegman 79% So remind us again Robbie, where are the majority of the penalties conceded by these openside flanks? Yeah, I rest my case. You do the math.

      Mike@CapeT - 2011-07-17 15:02

      @News24.....have you deleted a lot of the comments!!!!?

      Agile - 2011-07-17 15:43

      @Mike@CT If there was just one good comment, they would not have had to. The only half-decent comment was of a guy posting the total penalty counts showing that Stegmann and Francois Louw conceded the same amount of penalties (together with other players). ... But then he jumped straight to the conclusion that Stegmann is a "walking penalty".....??? What? Yes. What about Louw? Equal number of penalties for far fewer breakdowns attended than Stegmann. What about the others? etc. Is that unbiased? Is that normal, logical thinking? No it is not. No surprize, it seems there are very few who are capable of formulating anything that resembles an argument.

      Sharkie4ever - 2011-07-17 17:24

      Where do you get your stats from Agile, from the Blou Bulle washing machine?

      Agile - 2011-07-17 17:41

      @ Sharkie, Verusco, you can also get a full database if e-mail them.

  • windkind - 2011-07-16 23:16

    What you conveniently forgot to mention is that Daniel has a decidedly hot head on him and this is a bigger concern than the odd penalty at the breakdown.

      Agile - 2011-07-16 23:29

      Do a search of Keegan Daniel in the image database. You will find pictures taken during matches of him punching 3 different players, in 3 different matches! (And that's only as far as I searched). Stegmann? Not a chance. Before the 1st S15 Bulls-Sharks match I said that it was a good thing that Keegan was BANNED, because a fight was SURE to break out involving Keegan, and I posted that on the forum so there is proof I said it. I'm sorry, I don't like holding the past against people, BUT..... 2nd game Bulls-Sharks, Daniel back, and what do you know, Daniel starting a fight! And if you don't believe me: there are pictures of the incident on the net. Punching a player on the ground. Classy. I like the rough stuff, but Daniel's disciplinary record speaks for itself.

      Wazza - 2011-07-17 07:44

      Agile - maybe thats because the Bulletjies are scared of Daniel and try to put him off his game by prevoking him? Sharks won the second game when he played didn't they? Face the Facts Bulls don't like Daniels because he always performs against the sorry cows.

      Agile - 2011-07-17 11:54

      What are you talking about? Keegan Daniel was photographed punching players from other teams. So do all other teams target him because of his propensity toward behaving violently? Well I call that a LIABILITY, not the oppositions blunder. When I read these comments on these forums I understand better what is wrong with South Africa.

      Sharkie4ever - 2011-07-17 17:25

      @Agile. Ja right, like Steakman never did anything wrong.

      Sharkie4ever - 2011-07-17 17:28

      @Agile, I think you are referring to Daniels in his earlier days. I think he is a much more mature player, and I agree with the writer that Steakman gives away far too many penalties. Perhaps in time he will mature as well.

      Agile - 2011-07-17 17:50

      @ Sharkie, Actually the latest incident was last month. Sorry to break your heart...... And regarding the penalties you speak of: How do you know? Upon what are you basing that claim? Are you using stats? Of course you are. Only, you are unaware of it. But some would criticize me rather for using stats- and that more fully. How is it that ONLY "Stegmann is giving away too many penalties" yet Louw etc. conceded the same amount, but of the others you would rather say nothing?? Are you deliberately ignorant?

  • Hayden - 2011-07-16 23:46

    Firstly, let me remind you Rob that The Sharks (Keegan) played against a depleted weak Bulls tream that couldnt counter his predictable skills (which says alot about the Bulls potential to be contenders this season) & secondly Keegan is more compared to Skinstad that had great talent & skills but when pulling on the green jersey for the nation..... he failed hopelessly. We need MEN in the Springboks not boys. Period!

      Deon - 2011-07-17 03:48

      Yes, Daniel is not eally in the equired class you are refeing to Hayden. He played well yesterday, but against a Bulls third team.

      Pipes - 2011-07-17 08:57

      Yeah right if the Sharks did not field a 'depleted' team ...wake up bru. Bulls got klapped , even with a full team at Loftus a couple of weeks ago. Steggies is an average flanker...

      GraemeBB - 2011-07-17 09:59

      @Hayden - as a Bull, I agree. We only had 2 regular starters play yesterday for the Bulls. I also believe the same applies to WP, and Sharks(although not as much as the other two). Now old Pipes here wont be able to see that, but the Sharks wont - and they still think Daniels is the best. In my opinion, Brussouw, Flo and Steggies are the best fetchers in SA.

      Sharkie4ever - 2011-07-17 17:30

      @Hayden, let me remind you that the Bulls played against a depleted weaker Sharks team as well. So there na na na na na!

      Voyager - 2011-07-17 20:53

      Typical Bulls supporter - can't admit they were outplayed - have to come up with lame excuses. Shame - it must get quite tiring having to do that all the time.

  • Kleinboet - 2011-07-17 00:59

    Hold your horses, Rob! Daniel only looked good because the Blue Bulls packs was lack-lustre today. That does not make him anything more than a good provincial player. And the fact that Stegmann may perhaps not be up to stratch internationally does not make Daniel an international player either. Besides, you yourself agree that he is not the most physically imposing loosie. Yes, Stegmann is not my first choice international player either; but kindly let Daniel first prove himself against more worthy opposiition before donning him in a Bok jersey.

      Howzitekse - 2011-07-17 08:14

      Daniel is one of the top 6 loose forwards in SA, and world calss. Same can not be said for Spies and Stegman, who are mysteriously included in the Bok Squad. Only in South Africa.....

      GraemeBB - 2011-07-17 10:02

      @Kleinboet - Daniels isnt bad, but not a Bok. I think Steggies has started maturing, and Flo is my number 2, behind a fit Brussouw! Daniels a decent Capt for the Sharks though.

      Sharkie4ever - 2011-07-17 17:33

      @GraemeBB - I've seen Daniels score create and score more tries than Flo and Steggies put together!

      Agile - 2011-07-17 18:42

      @ Sharkie ^ Then maybe you should get out more....

      Kleinboet - 2011-07-17 20:32

      Hey, boys, I'm not trying to belittle either Steggies or Daniel. Nor am I trying to blow anybodys trumpet for him. It's just that Rob sort of goes off his trolley writing up Daniel after just one game against a sadly depleted Bulls team, and in the process belittling a Bok without apparent reason. I'm a Stormers man, but I will support all fifteen Boks that get picked. I can't understand how Rob can compare figs with apples the way he does.

      Agile - 2011-07-17 23:11

      Ek stem saam Kleinboet. Natuurlik was dit Rob Houwing se doelwit: met 5 minute se getjommel om ons twee dae lank besig te hou terwyl ons mekaar hier op die web verskeur. Hy werk om kommentaar, en omstredenheid. Net jammer hy het nie die moeite of intelligensie ten bloot gestel om dit op die regte manier te doen nie.

  • Winning Coac - 2011-07-17 01:43

    Daniel had a good game. He played at no 8. His game and opportunities should be judged accordingly. Why not compare him with Spies or Vermeulen, Mr Houwing? Stegmann plays the game and the ball. He does not get involved in "off the ball" incidents like Keegan and is the hardest working No 6 I have ever seen. This includes Jan Ellis. It seems that Rob has a preference to write against players who wear blue jerseys and has Afrikaans as mother tonge. We derserve better journalism.

      Agile - 2011-07-17 02:32

      Indeed. Rob Houwing is is simply misusing his position as an "chief writer" is this instance. Why does he not even bother to click 2 buttons to do research before he publishes his articles? It contains false information. And he doesn't even bother to correct it after readers point this out to him. So what should this tell us about the rest of his opinion? He hasn't written a single good thing about Steggies. (Despite Stegmann holding work rate records in the Super 15). Though I will say this: the ONLY thing that they seem to be able to level against Stegmann is penalties. The ridiculous "penalty liability" argument that this poor writer started last year. This is a major compliment to Steggies in my opinion: because they seriously cannot find anything else to complain about regarding Stegmann's game. Huge compliment! As we can see, Stegmann does virtually twice the work Keegan Daniel does in total, and the openside flankers are mostly penalized for their UNTHANKFUL role at the breakdown, similar to loosehead props mostly penalized at the scrum. And since Stegmann was directly present at 770 breakdowns (only tackles+rucks), compared to Daniel's meagre 413, it goes without saying that Stegmann would have been penalized more: Because he works twice as hard and does much more on the field than Daniel. So eventhough it is unpleasant that a man in Rob Houwing's position should display such ignorance and bias, it is really a nice indirect compliment to Stegmann.

      Aitsa - 2011-07-17 02:41

      You were clearly very young in the late 60s - Jan Ellis ran with the ball, Piet Greyling was the hard working number 6. In fact, Ellis always wore 7. If you're that strung up on the language you and I speak at home, you plugged your first question. Harder working flanks than Jan Ellis since Jan Ellis: Boland Coetzee, Thys Lourens, Rob Louw, Burger Geldenhuys, Thys Burger, Piet Veldsman, Gert Smal, Andrew Aitken, Ruben Kruger, Andr'e Venter, Rassie Erasmus... need I go on. Stegmann isn't in any of their class, Winning Coac.

      Winning Coac - 2011-07-17 03:00

      I have seen all the mentioned players play. I still admire some of them. Pick the best player in his position. Stegmann is currently the best number 6 and it should not be clouded by any bias

      Agile - 2011-07-17 03:00

      @Aitsa Well, thanks for your opinion, old-timer. Many disagree. In terms of sheer work rate, Stegmann outdoes them all. The scientific conditioning and diet of players in modern, professional rugby certainly does give them the edge, it also helps identify players that are born to handle a high work rate, and the game of today is very fast-paced, and the rules get reviewed and adapted by the IRB to make it so. Physical conditioning is one thing, guts and "vasbyt" is entirely another. Steggies reminds one of the tough bloody beggars of old from EP. There are so few of these manne left on our fields today with all these effeminate kiddies that are more worried about their salaries, Twitter, fast cars, impressing their girls in the stands, and their bloody hairstyles and all sorts of other fashion statements than delving deep to push the boundaries of pain and discomfort- to break themselves for the jersey, for their pride! Ruben himself was a man that was known to get irritated by "laventelhane".

      Mike@CapeT - 2011-07-17 07:43

      Come on you guys, Rob writes it as he sees it. He is entitled to his opinion.... as we all are!

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-17 08:32

      Mike, I agree with you 100% Why then always nail JJ for his opinion?

      Agile - 2011-07-17 11:44

      @ Mike@Capetown, His opinion is uninformed, and therefore is a bad opinion. Read above, Rob didn't review and research his article properly. So who should care about his opinion? He's one man. The aim should be to display an objective approach to all sides of the issue for one in his position, but Rob Houwing does not, and that is unacceptable. Please try not to just save those writers a scolding that happen to be in agreement with your bias.

      Mike@CapeT - 2011-07-17 13:04

      @Agile....if Rob were talking about a Province player, I might have to agree with you somewhat. He isn't. He is talking about a Sharks player and therefore a fairly unbiased opinion.

      Agile - 2011-07-17 14:16

      @ Mike, Well, then I don't know if I can help you if you think that bias is only displayed toward players of the province you support. What about bias against leading opposition?

      Mike@CapeT - 2011-07-17 14:18

      No....but somehow, they are always accused of it!

      Agile - 2011-07-17 14:27

      @ MIke, "No" what? If Rob Houwing cared for writing objective-as-possible articles and didn't look for every opportunity to create a stir, and in what should have been a gratz to Keegan- he shows his agenda and turns into a debate to say that he doesn't want Stegmann at the Boks, then maybe it wouldn't be so. This is first time either.

      Mike@CapeT - 2011-07-17 15:03

      Agile....I guess this subject has been exhausted. Lets just both agree to disagree.

      Agile - 2011-07-17 15:40

      @ Mike@CT, yes Mike, we do disagree upon some things, but that is why I like to include a little something extra in my argument, something that we can both agree on: Stegmann hit more than double the rucks Keegan did (561 vs 257), how many ways are there to spin that? Not many. It's a fact. How do you want to draw your conclusions? Stegmann played fewer minutes too, making this even more impressive. (1070 vs 1140). (meaning the rate is even higher as a ratio): Stegmann 0.52 rucks/min Daniel 0.23 rucks/min This total matchtime, not only the ball in play, which would make this figure much higher, but this is even more fair to Daniel who made 25% LESS tackles as well, and had a 6% lower success rate than Stegmann too. (Daniel missed more). So when people are referring to penalties to disparage Stegmann, they are really using ironically stats, but then they turn right around and criticize me for using the full stats and explaining the influence of the different categories on one another. Is it a fair judgement? No. But the mob doesn't care for reasoning. They just want to see their favourite gladiator and a slaughter.

      Whoosa - 2011-07-18 06:55

      @ Agile, we all now that "Knob" Houwing (as is pike @ct) is a biast moron province supporter that nows very little about rugby. Dont get upset about his remarks, he will always find something negative to utter about the bulls. (not that their is many positives at the moment!!!) He is in the same mould as JJ Haremse. Just ignore them, they will go away.

  • Deon - 2011-07-17 03:55

    Stegmann is a fine player, but I must admit I have never been impressed by him enough to rate him as Springbok. Maybe I am too much of a layman. His statistics are billiant though. Daniel : Cannot believe there are fans insisting that he is good enough.

      kitjello - 2011-07-17 06:05

      Stegmann is not a "shiner", but is doing most of the hard work. Like Minnie of the Lions. Currently the best no 6

  • Greenpoizn - 2011-07-17 06:13

    Well Done Keegan great opening game

      Agile - 2011-07-17 12:06

      Definitely, only, I wish that as you are trying to demonstrate, we could all congratulate Keegan Daniel on his performance, but on thread without any agendas by Rob Houwing. Instead, Houwing took Daniel's performance in a CC match and turned this into a debate of Stegmann vs Keegan. Pity.

  • Joe_Public - 2011-07-17 06:38

    Long winded drivel from Rob. As usual

  • Mike Webber - 2011-07-17 07:15

    Wow, so the flanker puts in a visible performance against against a halfbreed junior Bulls team. Well done !!! If Keegan is Bok material, then I'm the Pope's grandmother.

  • ozwald - 2011-07-17 08:04

    Stegmann is a boring typical 1 dimensional player, he is never going to win you a game. The simple answer is: SA are going to play 1 dimensional rugby which suits Stegmann, don't make things to confusing or allow players to think on their feet, couple of the northerners might find the game a little difficult to understand, kick, fetch and tackle is a far more simple game plan when working with 1 dimensional players.

  • Bulldozer - 2011-07-17 08:27

    I can't stand this oke, but geez he was good last night.

  • Pipes - 2011-07-17 09:06

    Beast, Bismark, Smit, Jannie d P, Hargreaves, Alberts, Deysel, Kanko, Mostert, Sykes, Mc Cleod, Lambie, Mvovo, JP, Adi, Odwa......not available for this year's currie cup. Now, please let all the Blou Ossies keep this in mind when they keep on making reference to the "poor depleted" Bulls side. Let's face it...both teams fielded a "B" team but the Sharks klapped the Bulls like they did to their "A" team not so long ago. Lets admit: Steggies is average/ OK but I would rather have Keegan in my SA team

      Travis - 2011-07-18 08:27

      Totally agree with you Pipes, and even in the ranks of Bulls supporters there are concerns. @Agile, you are taking a very blinkered approach to the discussion, and you need to take on the shin that the Bulls were outplayed in every department by an equally depleted Sharks team. Have some grace and accept it, as well as the fact that there are those who believe that Keegan has as much right to be in the Bok team as Stegmann, and maybe even more. He should be given a chance. There are stats and stats, and you can get them to say what you want, and they never tell the full story. I think that Rob's comments are fair, and I for one would rather see Keegan there than Stegmann. Just my opinion...

      Agile - 2011-07-18 12:15

      OH FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE Travis! The Blue Bulls deserved to lose! I wasn't complaining! Can you make stats say whatever you want them to say? Well what would you like Stegmann's raw work rate stats to say vs Keegan's? Keegan was shamed by Stegmann's work rate in total as we review the season. Just one small example that I gave above: rucks attended OOA1-3 Stegmann 561 Keegan 257. What do you want that to say, Travis!? Take that and make it a positive thing for Daniel if you want to play devil's advocate. I'd like to see that. It is particularly embarrassing for Daniel considering that Daniel played more minutes than Stegmann and that Daniel is supposed to be an openside flank, which is what Houwing is advocating for shamelessly to the cost of Stegmann. I don't have a problem with the player, I have a problem with people not giving credit where it's due and a snide writer that tries to create controversy the wrong way.

      kosie - 2011-07-18 13:16

      @ agile it not about how many rucks you attend, is what you do when you get there that makes the difference. give me some stats on balls stolen by both of them. tries scored. average meters gained per run.

  • Dan - 2011-07-17 09:27

    Common Rob, take the level of competition into account. Some good school boy would also perform well in the CC given that 49 top players are not available due to Springbok selection or resting for the home games of the Boks. Why do you guys always write a player into a "Springbok" team after a good performance. That Stephen Nell d00s does the same with every player in or around Cape Town. Compare apples with apples. Must agree though, Daniel had a blinder of a game.

  • Andrew - 2011-07-17 09:41

    For me the difference between Daniels and Stegmann is that Stegmann is slightly better as a fetcher but not close to Daniels in open and broken play. Daniels is a game changer and game breaker, he creates more opportunities for those around him, Stegmann for me does not have the same abilty.

  • O-Hara - 2011-07-17 12:01

    Just to be clear... in Natal we have 2 no. '8's.... Kanko is the tallest, Daniels is the best. He outplays Kanko all the time (its why when its sub time, Plumbtree takes Kanko off and Daniels then shifts to no.8). So Lets see... Bok brought off for a non-bok to stay on.... hmmmm.... People need to give Daniels credit where its due - he consistantly plays superb rugby, is a game changer and gets through the line to set up someone else. How often do you see Spies or Kanko do that? When they get tackled - ball stops with them and momentum (and advantage) gone. This guy is deserving of a Bok jersey. Period.

  • haveyoursay - 2011-07-17 12:38

    Ive never heard of this guy?

  • Andrew - 2011-07-17 15:32

    If you followed Rugby you would have!

  • ABB - 2011-07-17 16:22

    Rob, who would you leave out for him to take a place??? based on super 15 performance? I only think you wrote this because of his 1 good game not a seasons performance,this is also a very biased from you. Is he family or a good friend? Think before you type..

  • Karoobloed - 2011-07-17 17:18

    Keegan Daniels is a very good flanker, but the reality is that RSA has an abundance of world class flankers.

      Whoosa - 2011-07-18 06:59

      Karoo, nail on the head mate! Hes good, but not good enough. Just ignore "Knob" Houwing in the future, he is an idiot!

  • Brannas - 2011-07-18 05:18

    Make ALL the BULLS BOKKE.

      kosie - 2011-07-18 13:20

      they did last year and look what happened

  • jk - 2011-07-18 08:27

    good player, but hes in a position where you can choose 8 packs of loose trios and they will all be brilliant, just to many in that position...

  • Byron - 2011-07-18 08:50

    Stegman is by far the worst open side in SA!! Flouw could have toured, wickus van heerden could move back to flank(where he belongs), Grobelaar is better and yes even daniels is far far better but isn,t really a fetcher.

  • John - 2011-07-18 09:13

    There are a whole lot of players that should have toured ahead of the incumbents. Both Francios Louw and Daniel have been ahead of Stegman all season.

  • Bielie - 2011-07-18 11:18

    Rob, Daniel was indeed capped against Ireland last year, as pointed out by some other posters (in varying shades of politeness). However, the gist of your argument, namely that Stegmann is lucky to be selected ahead of Daniel, holds up. Stegmann started four tests last year and was utterly anonymous in all four. He is much like Wynand Olivier - an adequate to good player at CC and Super Rugby level, but apparently unable to make the step up to international level. I don't know whether Daniel has what it takes to succeed at international level because he has not had the opportunity to prove himself there, but I do know that Stegmann has had the chance(s) and failed to use it.

  • Rory - 2011-07-18 20:45

    Unfortunate truth, you only have so long to play international rugby, if you not good enough for the quota system now you will never be, SA are going to loose a lot of players to Australia, NZ and unfortunately England, yip England, go over seas and show what those arse0 have lost

  • - 2011-07-19 07:39

    Agile , here are some stats for you, Tackles made Francois Louw (Stormers)178 Deon Stegmann (Bulls)165 Turnovers Francois Louw (Stormers)8 Deon Stegmann (Bulls)5 Penalties Deon Stegmann (Bulls)22 Francois Louw (Stormers)22 Can we all agree Louw is a better player than Steggman , it does not matter how many rucks you attend Agile, it's what you do in those rucks , any club rugby player can tell you that.

  • JC - 2011-07-19 09:20

    JC I reckon that both Daniel & Stegman suffer from the same problem as most (surprisingly top rated S A flanks) in that they are loathe to pass the ball and lack play - making skills like Skinstadt in his hey - day.Would not play any of them.Great time to have a closer look at some of the brilliant youngsters.

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