D-Day for raw WP front row

2012-10-23 10:47

Cape Town – Unless coach Allister Coetzee makes some unexpected tactical adjustments to suit the occasion, Western Province will almost certainly field the youngest front row in Currie Cup final history against the Sharks on Saturday.

Think about it ... when last can you recall a final (there have been 51 of them) of the major domestic competition where one team’s tighthead prop and hooker will both be 21 years old, and the loosehead 20?

But that will be the case at Mr Price Kings Park (17:00 kickoff) if Province repeat their semi-final trick of fielding all of Steven Kitshoff, Siyabonga Ntubeni and Frans Malherbe at the coal-face.

Regardless of whether or not Sharks coach John Plumtree starts with established Springbok Tendai Mtawarira at No 1 in his side (he was used for impact purposes in their semi against the Blue Bulls, with Dale Chadwick starting), and also whether crusty Bok Jannie du Plessis is deemed fit to play after his concussion last weekend, the home team will eclipse the underdogs for experience in this department.

Even Kyle Cooper, the relative spring-chicken hooker who has been keeping fringe national squad member Craig Burden out of the starting XV, is 23 and that puts him at a calendar advantage over all three WP rookies anyway.

While there is good reason to crow about the achievement of the Newlands-based franchise, in being able to pin such collective faith in callow youth – their promise is hardly in doubt -- it is probably also true to say that the front row will be an area the Sharks will vigorously target for supremacy as a result.

Of course the big disadvantage of all of Province’s trio being so greenhorn is that they are a very long way from finished articles, both individually and collectively – isn’t it said that many of the best front-rankers only really peak at their no-frills, netherworld trade when they are around the 30 mark or even older?

So the blue-and-whites were especially jolted ahead of the knockout phase of the competition when beefy Bok hooker Tiaan Liebenberg, 30, was among a handful of seasoned customers to cry off the remainder of the programme through injury.

He is just the sort of player to have provided essential balance to the WP front row who did, let’s face it, suffer some renewed trauma at scrum-time last Saturday against the under-rated Lions front-rank, spearheaded by captain JC Janse van Rensburg.

Deep down, the WP brains trust will know that another awkward day, at the very least, is in prospect at this particular set-piece against the Sharks.

Kitshoff is arguably the Province prop with the greatest capability to be “destructive” in scrummaging terms when the mood grabs him, but he has played a murderous amount of rugby in just his second first-class season and will be close to or already experiencing some measure of fatigue.

Remember that when the June Test window came along, instead of recharging his batteries out of competition he was gleefully recruited straight into the SA under-20 picture and played an influential role in the Baby Boks clinching the IRB Junior World Championship on home soil.

Both Paul Roos product Kitshoff and co-youngster Malherbe are arguably also hamstrung just a little by the fact that hooker Ntubeni is far more renowned for his mobility and inspiring work-rate than for what he offers in kilogram terms to the scrum party.

A bit like they used to say of ever-tenacious Bok and WP open-sider Corne Krige, “Scarra” perhaps only gets to somewhere around the three-figure mark on the scales with hidden weights in his underwear?

It is not inconceivable that coach Coetzee, in consultation no doubt with forwards coach Matt Proudfoot, will deem it wise to infuse the starting front-row for Saturday’s cauldron with at least one greatly more street-wise customer.

There are always the uncomplaining workhorse Brok Harris’s claims to consider (most likely at his preferred tighthead) ... or also the ex-Sharks and Bok credentials of journeyman Deon Carstens.

The last-named player can scrum on both sides – his Test caps came overwhelmingly in the No 3 capacity  – and is 33, which would instantly and reassuringly hike the average age of the Province front row pretty appreciably.

But the likelier scenario, you would think, is that Coetzee and his lieutenants will take a deep breath, go with the “settled” but markedly youthful combo and probably load the bench again with both Harris and Carstens for second-half relief if or when required.

The one thing the Kitshoff-Ntubeni-Malherbe alliance will not lack is willingness to get stuck into donkeywork outside of the scrums, even if things are creaking a tad in that particular regard, and also play their part in what is becoming a better and better rolling-maul unit ...

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  • - 2012-10-23 11:13

    haha. WP kids vs SA front row men! no need to outscrum the big boys, they just keep need to keep their form! CMON WP!

      stirrer.stirrer - 2012-10-23 11:23

      I'm not worried. Those "kids" can hold their own against the Sharks outoppies.

      donavan.boshoff - 2012-10-23 13:06

      I doubt it Stirrer, but if anything they will gain experience like no other. Expect loads of penalties at scrum time. They are the future for sure but the Sharks front row wont be losing any sleep over facing them. Even if Plum starts with Chadwick, Cooper and Herbst. The WP lock pairing are solid but your loosies(at scrum time) won't measure up either, they don't have enough grunt. Good luck anyways games aren't won on scrums alone.

      stirrer.stirrer - 2012-10-23 14:09

      Raven, I have seen enough finals in my life to know that it's not very wise to predict an outcome. ANYTHING can happen.

      wesley.g.mercer - 2012-10-24 14:55

      If Jannie and Beast start goodbye Province

  • bakkies.botha.39 - 2012-10-23 11:17

    Hak hak hier kom n verstik!!!!

      ReneMuller.XOXO - 2012-10-23 12:41

      Nou gaan 'delete' 'NAGOU-GROTE' vinnig sy comment - hahaha. Vertel hoe vertraag die Bulle is wat nie kan tel nie, toe kom hy agter hy is die een wat nie kan tel nie. Aitoggie Ougrote, almal maak foutjies

      bakkies.botha.39 - 2012-10-23 12:46

      Watish!!! Go Rene!!!

      seanread.crisp - 2012-10-23 14:33

      It's sad that now that your team is out of the cup you still come onto these sites and talk rubbish on articles that are in no way related to just troll to be a troll. What a loser...

      lean.sadie - 2012-10-23 14:51

      Seanread just ignore them. They want a reaction. If you leave em , they will eventually leave.

      dao.muangnoicharoen - 2012-10-23 15:07

      but lean sadie you just wrote a rather lengthy reply above.

      bagley.sean.1 - 2012-10-23 16:28

      lean is not the sharpest tool in the shed

      lean.sadie - 2012-10-23 16:50

      I Don't consider Raven a troll. She does talk sense sometimes, even though when she gets proven wrong, she is a troll.

  • TravieGrif - 2012-10-23 11:17

    I think that this is a decent front row, and Kitshoff is a serious talent. I don't think that they'll be taking a backward step at all against the Sharks. It is going to be a very important match-up. Jannie has done a huge amount of work this season too, in what could be argued to have been his best performing season yet, so I think fatigue may come into the picture later in the match. This is a once-off, so they will be giving it their all.

      bakkies.botha.39 - 2012-10-23 11:23

      a-ah, no Trav I think this weekend its WP who will have to do the crying in the rain!!!

      dao.muangnoicharoen - 2012-10-23 13:02

      kitshoff is going to get schooled by the real men

      john.comyn.18 - 2012-10-23 13:22

      It is apparently going to rain. I'm not sure how that will effect the scrums or who it will favour. What we do know is, if it rains, there is going to be a lot of collapsed scrums & there will be penalties aplenty. It is going to be very important to play in the right areas and positional kicking will play a big part in who wins. Hell I wish we were playing the Bulls & not the Sharks.

  • matt.jarvis.77312477 - 2012-10-23 11:20

    Province can take on the Sharks upfront,but it's at the breakdown where the Sharks are at their most devastating.If Province can slow the Sharks ball down then that will allow Province that extra second or two to organize our defensive line and play our best defensive game.The team that defends the best and takes their kicking opportunities at goal will win.Province has a much better chance than what some people are giving them. The Sharks will try and dominate the front row battle,so Province needs to contain the damage they'll try and do.Province must use the driving game, pick up and go and mauls.If in range then they should go for the penalty infringements.Put Sharks under pressure and get a few turnover balls.Then use Habana and Aplon close to the rucks to try and break and attack the gain & advantage line. De Jongh, Habana and Aplon are the key to our backline.We all saw what these three can do when the ball gets shifted along through them.

      jason.children - 2012-10-23 12:11

      They are expecting rain in Durbs! Recently the Sharks have had some epic games in the rain so that should help them. But if our forwards can match the Sharks up front then hopefully a Gio or Bryan can pull off a piece of individual brilliance. We must also watch Ludik, that guy, if not injured, would have been a Bok 2 years ago already!

      dao.muangnoicharoen - 2012-10-23 13:03

      aplon and habana will be crying in the rain

      lean.sadie - 2012-10-23 15:12

      Travie, all I really want is a good game of rugby. May the best team on the day win.

      bagley.sean.1 - 2012-10-23 16:27

      Are u gonna run in the rain fat Jason?

  • john.maree.90 - 2012-10-23 11:25

    Sharks not the same Hungry team that played the Super 15. Beast and Jannie not playing great Rugby at the moment. Jannie will get angry and then will lose his head and will receive a yellow (As always). W.P scrum will be up for it!!!

      ReneMuller.XOXO - 2012-10-23 11:45

      @john, I'm glad you are commenting again, because I wanted to ask you about your comment of yesterday: "john.maree.90 - October 22, 2012 at 12:56 Report commentComments Policy I really hope that W.P takes it. They deserve it after 4 finals and they are just the better team. with all the boks back I believe they will all show up to play and I think Habanna will edge it again against the Sharks!" My question to you: Why do WP deserve it? and which 4 finals are you referring to? Or is this 'lalla-land' talking? The history books on CC finals: WP played 2010 against Sharks (lost) prior to that - 2001 - Sorry but that is 2 finals in 11 years - hence my query on your original '4 finals' Or SupeRugby - Stormers played in 1 final 2010 - I still don't know which 4 x finals you are referring to, kindly elaborate! Thank you

      bakkies.botha.39 - 2012-10-23 11:50

      Rene, you just wipped this guy!!! Nice!!!

      tang.willemse - 2012-10-23 12:01

      Rene, jy't hom sopas vir 'n ses gem03r!

      lourens.jordaan - 2012-10-23 12:15

      @Rene Aangesien jy so baie te se het oor die WP. Hoop my inligting is reg maar indien nie sal jy my seker reg wys. Ou spier spies se kontrak is nie hernie by bulle nie so raak ook nog net onslae van steyn en nik naks dan kan julle weer begin span bou en ook so teen 2019 weer in n semi finaal speel.

      jason.children - 2012-10-23 12:16

      @Rene, the guy might be including the 2 semi finals, which are still finals. but if not and he made a mistake then so what. he didnt insult the other team. All he did was make a RUGBY comment about the team he supports in the hope that they win on Saturday. He didnt insult you or your precious Bulls who are NOT playing. Yet you cant help but try and make a WP supporter look stupid. You have made some daft comments yourself before. You have seriously lost the ploy regarding rugby and what it means to be a rugby supporter. Shown by the fact that the only person agreeing with you here is a Troll! hahahahah unbelievable.

      ReneMuller.XOXO - 2012-10-23 12:37

      @Jason, I asked him a question, based on a previous comment - anything wrong in that??? I don't think so - I kindly asked the man to explain/elaborate. No need for me to make the WP supporter look stupid, I think he did a jolly good job of it all by himself. Quite frankly my dear, I don't care what you say/think for that matter - why would I lose the 'plot' - just because I think the Sharks are going to beat WP?? Hahaha - no I don't have reason to feel otherwise. BTW, 'daft' is not in my vocabulary - I leave that for you guys!!

      bakkies.botha.39 - 2012-10-23 12:48

      Tang, dokter, bloujhn en almal ander wat die WP haat, ek dink ons kan maar huis toe gaan René kom mooi reg op haar eie!!!

      richard.jeremy.79 - 2012-10-23 12:49

      bakkies.botha.39/ReneMuller.XOXO/tang.willemse Suurgat Trolls.

      dao.muangnoicharoen - 2012-10-23 13:08

      why is it inconceivable that a springbok laden sharks team will demolish the western province. the sharks have shown they are the best team of the year and the western province finished 3rd. sharks by 15

  • stephen.axtell.7 - 2012-10-23 11:38

    Got to laugh at all these pathetic retarded Bulls supporters on here. You guys amaze me at the level of stupidity you show everytime you post.

      bakkies.botha.39 - 2012-10-23 11:41

      We gives you a laugh here, yous gives us a laugh on the rugby field!!! Hehe

      tang.willemse - 2012-10-23 11:44

      Fanks stephen, at least we got all our teeth :)

      john.maree.90 - 2012-10-23 11:46

      at least we are in the final and we laughed at the Bulls this past weekend. Bunch of losers hahaha

      blou.johnny - 2012-10-23 11:48

      stephen.. ...relax..... happy... ..dont be so serious...

      tommy.jones.754918 - 2012-10-23 11:49

      John, I laughed at the Bulls and specifically Snotsuig fact, I'm still grinning. What an useless a-hole.

      tang.willemse - 2012-10-23 11:50

      John, the ref won't help you this week, the Sharks will just be that good ou tandemuis!

      bakkies.botha.39 - 2012-10-23 11:52

      john.maree.90 weet jou ma jy is hier??? Gaan Lees asb Rene se vraag aan jou daar bo!!! Arabiese kanaalbaber!!

      john.maree.90 - 2012-10-23 11:54

      @ Tang.... and were did the ref helped us against the Lions. we even played with 14 men for 10min so we won fair.

      stephen.axtell.7 - 2012-10-23 12:33

      @blou johnny idiot, what dont you understand with the line "Got to laugh at all these pathetic retarded Bulls supporters on here." .

      dao.muangnoicharoen - 2012-10-23 13:11

      most of them time the bulls trolls are posting to get under your skin. most western province supporters know very little about anything. they form opinions based on print media and once they have convinced themselves it is fact, they refuse to listen to reason and logic. therefore trolls are there to get under your skin and it is very entertaining to see. most posts by trolls have large doses of humour in them but you are all so uptight and tense - it is probably the lack of trophies leaving you feel quite ashamed of yourselves

      tang.willemse - 2012-10-23 13:46

      Dao, well spotted my dear!

      stephen.axtell.7 - 2012-10-23 13:46

      @dao, another retarded troll I see

      TravieGrif - 2012-10-23 13:54

      No dao or whatever your name's not entertaining. It is juvenile and annoying. But you know that already. It is a pity that it carries on the way it does, as the rugby fans who are here to chat about rugby enjoy hearing the rugby opinions of others, and the reasons behind those ideas. The interprovincial abuse is stupid, but I guess if you have the mentality of a five-year old and you enjoy doing that, then who is going to stop you, huh?

      bakkies.botha.39 - 2012-10-23 14:08

      Sé hulle Travi!!!

      lean.sadie - 2012-10-23 14:59

      Travie, I am done with them, I jut skip over their posts, and let them bicker between themselves. It's easy to see how much they talk to each other. If we all did the same and just ignore them, they would just be having a discussion troll to troll, idiot to idiot. I Have been guilty of falling for it too, but no more. Never thought I would see the day where I am ashamed of being a South African, but they make it very hard to be proud at all.

      dao.muangnoicharoen - 2012-10-23 15:09

      lean sadie when you respond it is also a case of troll vs troll, idiot vs idiot you have lowered yourself to their level. therein lies their victory. you should be ashamed

      frans.visserdsb - 2012-10-23 18:06

      Well, at least the fake doctor has been less conspicuous since we figured out his real name is Dr Aubrey Levine. If only we could figure out who the other Bulls trolls are...

      Nighthawk.Wild - 2012-10-23 18:22

      Speak for youself stephen,Not all Bulls supporters comment crap.

  • lance.salter.1042 - 2012-10-23 11:39

    Really looking forward to this matchup. The current guard against a possible future guard. Even though I don't think this is where the game will be won or lost. I think what we will see is the Province front 3 winning the loose battles and the Sharks 3 the scrums. It will be interesting to see who this will help more considering there teams. I really hope Coetzee does not tinker with his front 3 and bring in more experience players. Give the boys a crack and let them play to their strengths and see how they do. Should be a another great final.

  • chris.holtshausen - 2012-10-23 11:54

    Don't worry to much about the raw front row. They may be young but both Frans and Steven has played Super 15. They are no 'push overs'. Liebenberg is though a real setback in this regard. Scarra will need to play the game of his life and support them as much as possible. The 'raw' Brache at centre is my real concern. At this stage (after 4 really disastrous games) I cannot see how AC can include him in the team. He is certainly struggling to operate/cope at the moment and for his own sake, AC is hopefully going to be wise enough to bring in either JP du Plessis, De Allende or even Brian H. If Brian is played on centre it will make room for Gio to move to the wing and Joe Pietersen to be included on fullback.

      tommy.jones.754918 - 2012-10-23 12:01

      Agree, Brache is exciting - but it is as if he is trying too hard. Maybe next year he'll be more mature, but for this final...nope.

      bakkies.botha.39 - 2012-10-23 12:04

      Amper 12jaar

      dao.muangnoicharoen - 2012-10-23 13:12

      maybe brache should learn to play and not backchat and mouth off at the referee every three minutes

  • wouter.vanheerden2 - 2012-10-23 12:23

    Baie geluk aan die Sharks om die Currie beker finaal te haal in 2012. Die Sharks het die beste rugby die hele jaar gespeel en hulle verdien dit om die se currie beker tewen. Die Sharks het baie baie diepte in hul span en ek dink die jong manne in die span het hul baie goed van hul taak gekwyt om die span tot in die finaal tebring met al die Bokke wat terug is in die span. Ek is 'n geharde Blou Bul Ondersteuner en ek gaan die naweek kliphard skree vir die manne van Durban en ek hoop dat elke Blou Bul ondersteuner hierdie naweek agter die Sharks sal staan. Hoop die Sharks wen die naweek...Go Sharks forever

      bakkies.botha.39 - 2012-10-23 12:31

      Ek dink atleast 99.9% van blou bul manne staan bankvas agter die haaie!!!

      nagou.grote - 2012-10-23 12:54

      @ BlueRaven Magtig het die situasie nie in die jaar se Super 15 ook gebeer nie. Al die Bulle ondersteuners het hul verlustig in 'n ander span se wen oor die Stormers, want hul eie span kon niks uitrig nie. Iets se vir my onder elke Bul se vel kruip daar a Shark weg.

      bakkies.botha.39 - 2012-10-23 13:21

      Ek sien dit nou eers Raven, nog n Jaco!!!

      nagou.grote - 2012-10-23 13:26

      @ BlueRaven Dis waar wat jy daar se, Sharks is by verre die gunsteling. Maar a man kan seker maar hoop ne!

  • nagou.grote - 2012-10-23 12:25

    Ok ek gaan maar stadig praat sodat die Blou Bul ondersteuners my kan volg. Ek gee nie om, om te beledig te word nie, maar magtig, gebruik net die regte feite asb. WP het laas die beker in 2001 gevat. Hy het die beker weer in 2002 verloor. Dit is nou 2012, dus tussen 2002 en 2012 is hoeveel jaar? Komaan bulle julle kan dit doen, en ja jy kan julle tone en vingers gebruik. Ja dis reg 10 jaar. So as julle wil beledig, gebruik net die feite. Moenie getalle net opmaak nie, dis net pateties.

      lourens.jordaan - 2012-10-23 12:41

      @nagou jy vra nou omtrent die bomenslike van die klomp loosers. Wil jy nou hulle moet n breinspier skeur.

      jimmy.moustache.12 - 2012-10-23 12:48

      thanks grote. 10 jaar bekerloos.

      bakkies.botha.39 - 2012-10-23 12:50

      Gaan LEES René se comment daar bo jou kanaalbaber!!!

      nagou.grote - 2012-10-23 12:50

      @ jimmy Dankie boet, feite is feite en ja 10 jaar is wragtig ook baie lank.

      tommy.jones.754918 - 2012-10-23 13:00

      It's a common mistake.

      tang.willemse - 2012-10-23 13:01

      Sorry ou grote, ons het die jare getel. Jy is blerrie reg!

      Riaan - 2012-10-23 13:02

      CC begin 1889, Bulle besef eers in 1938 da is n kompetiesi wavoor gespeel kan word,wen dt in 1947 as N-Tvl,so dis 46j cupeless.Kyk na di Cc geskiedenis in toetaliteit,moeni dekades uitsonder e uit per porsie ruk.WP bly di toonaangewende unie 1889-2012.Omdat bule eers in '38 waker skrik,is hule probleem!!

      ReneMuller.XOXO - 2012-10-23 13:07

      @nagou, klink vir my baie na Model-C wiskunde daardie! M.a.w. om julle omgedraaide logika te gebruik, is die Bulle maar net 1 (EEN) jaar bekerloos! COOL!!!! Julle moet ons net meedeel wanneer ons julle logika moet gebruik en nie regte IEB wiskunde moet gebruik nie.

      jimmy.moustache.12 - 2012-10-23 13:20

      Riaan, weet nie wat is beter nie...jou wiskunde of redinasie talente nie. Moet so n argument kan mens se WP is nou al 16 jaar bekerloos in die Heineken Cup ook, want hulle speel nie daar nie. Kom ons bespreek jou wiskunde ook. Jy se N-tvl het die die CC eeste keer in 1947 gewen? verkeerd, eerste keer in 1946 gewen. Vat nou n calculator dan tik jy in 1946, dan minus (-) jy 1889 en dan is gelyk aan (=) dit gee vir jou 57. Hoe op die aarde het jy enigsins by 46 uitgekom?

      nagou.grote - 2012-10-23 13:21

      @ Rene My ma het my geleer as jy met a vrou praat dan is dit met respek. So ek gaan vir jou verduidelik hoe ek by my punt kom. WP het die beker gewen in 2001, dit eers verloor in 2002. Om aan te dui die WP is 11 jaar bekerloos is verkeerd, hulle is 10 jaar bekerloos, want vir 1 jaar het hulle die beker gehad. En ja tegnies is die Bulle 1.5 jaar bekerloos, as dit kom by Super Rugby.

      deon.louw.7505 - 2012-10-23 13:21

      Ek hoop maar die WP wen vir 'n verandering anders gaan die Bulle julle nog vir jare spot.

      bakkies.botha.39 - 2012-10-23 13:28

      René and Raven for president!!! LMGA!!!

      tommy.jones.754918 - 2012-10-23 13:38

      I can see the mistake is more common in the Blue bull supporters area. Interesting indeed.

      jacques.debie.7 - 2012-10-23 13:57

      WP Last WON a cup 11 years ago. When they LOST that cup is irrelevant. They last time they WON a cup in a competition,actually lift it up after the game is 11 years ago. Its not that hard.

      tommy.jones.754918 - 2012-10-23 14:05

      2001 Western Province 29 - 24 Natal Sharks Newlands, Cape Town 1. 2002 Blue Bulls 31 - 7 Golden Lions Ellis Park, Johannesburg 2. 2003 Blue Bulls 40 - 19 Natal Sharks Loftus Versfeld, Pretoria 3. 2004 Blue Bulls 42 - 33 Free State Cheetahs Loftus Versfeld, Pretoria 4. 2005 Free State Cheetahs 29 - 25 Blue Bulls Loftus Versfeld, Pretoria 5. 2006 Free State Cheetahs 28 - 28 Blue Bulls6 Free State Stadium, Bloemfontein 6. 2007 Free State Cheetahs 20 - 18 Golden Lions Free State Stadium, Bloemfontein 7. 2008 Natal Sharks 14 - 9 Blue Bulls ABSA Stadium, Durban 8. 2009 Blue Bulls 36 - 24 Free State Cheetahs Loftus Versfeld, Pretoria 9. 2010 Natal Sharks 30 - 10 Western Province ABSA Stadium, Durban 10. 2011 Golden Lions 42 - 16 Natal Sharks Ellis Park, Johannesburg 11. 2012 - yet to be played. Can we all count from 2002 to 2011. How many do you get?

      nagou.grote - 2012-10-23 14:13

      @ Jacques Jy is 100% reg om aan te dui ons het 11 jaar gelede a cup gelig. Maar ek verwys jou na aanmerkings hierbo, en op ander blaaie wat se ” 11 years cuples..blablabla, now 12 years blablabla”. Wat duidelik verkeerd isEk help net mense wat verkeerd is.

      jacques.debie.7 - 2012-10-23 14:35

      @nagou I understand what you getting at. You still had the cup in 2002. It is getting a bit technical but I get your point. Regardless of that it has been a long time for WP supporters. I feel for you guys but as a Shark supporter I just cannot wish your team any luck for Sat. Hope you understand. I hope both teams bring their A-game and may the best team on the day win.

      Riaan - 2012-10-23 14:40

      Jimmy-punt is,bulle(ntvl) heti n voet om op te staan as dt km by cupeless jare,hoeveel Cc gewen,springboke opgelewer,en...en...Kom ons bepaal ons by di Cc,want dis waoor almal bla-bla-bla.By the way,ek dink da is meer ex WP ouens in di Heineken Cup kompetiesie as bulle-HAHAHAHAHAHA!

      blou.johnny - 2012-10-23 15:40

      ....10 or 11 years.. ...still cupless... .....bhwa ha ha ha ha ha..!!

      nagou.grote - 2012-10-23 16:36

      @ jacques Ai boet dankie. Ja jong dis a riem onder die hart om solank sonder die ou bekertjie te sit. Maar as julle dit wen vanjaar verdien julle dit, julle het die beter span gewees in beide Super en Curriecup die jaar. Dit gaan net a small miracle wees as die WP wen. Maak a man diep beswaard.

      nagou.grote - 2012-10-23 16:40

      @ blou's Boet dink jy nie jy moet a slag jou eie span ondersteun nie. Los die Sharks, hulle het genoeg ondersteuners. Of is jy een van daai ouens wat groot praat hier oor die bulle, maar in die geheim die Sharks ondersteun. Wat word julle nou weer genoem.....op die punt van my tong.....OJA! a Skaamhaai.

  • jimmy.moustache.12 - 2012-10-23 12:46

    i see now why the call it the mother city.....because there are a whole lot of babies whining allot.

      tang.willemse - 2012-10-23 13:02

      The mother of all f@ckups!

      dao.muangnoicharoen - 2012-10-23 13:19

      i think the reason it is called the mother city if because of all the fatherless children

      nagou.grote - 2012-10-23 13:23

      Nee magtig ouens as julle daar bo die Moederstad so haat, hou op hier kom vakansie hou of imigreer.

      bakkies.botha.39 - 2012-10-23 13:31

      You guys are killing me!!!! One thing that I now understand is that Sharks have a sense of humour, while WP, well we all know the answer

      jimmy.moustache.12 - 2012-10-23 13:36

      Ek bly in Ballito, hoekom sal ek ooit daar wil vakansie hou?

      dirkjohannes - 2012-10-23 15:23

      The mother of all f@ckups must be the Bulls. Die slapgatte kon nie eens die final haal nie, alweer!!!!!

      bagley.sean.1 - 2012-10-23 16:25

      @dom dirkie But nothing as bad as 11yr cupless

  • jimmy.moustache.12 - 2012-10-23 13:49

    An article featuring a ginger. How times have changed? Steven, for your sake I wish you grow bold or go grey very early in your life.

      bakkies.botha.39 - 2012-10-23 14:00

      Lol, iemand het op hom gepoef deur n sif!!!

      tang.willemse - 2012-10-23 14:02

      Just fink how he would look with a mullet?!

  • abubaker.abbass - 2012-10-23 16:14

    Go wp win or lose u laaities made use proud!!

  • faan.gerber - 2012-10-23 17:45

    Lean, The 70% win ratio of Fourie du Preez is totally wrong - 43 wins will give you 70%. His winning ratio is only 53%.

      lean.sadie - 2012-10-23 21:53

      It is 43 wins, go reread it.

  • wesley.g.mercer - 2012-10-24 14:55

    Sharks by 10. They are not chokers and they are a team with more experience and less injuries. They have had the better of the Stormers all year and have more past or present Boks. Yes they are both good teams but the Sharks will dominate up front which will put Lambie and the backline on the front foot.

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