Coetzee making no excuses

2011-09-19 11:04

Allister Coetzee tried his best to focus on the positive side of things after Western Province bravely lost out to their arch nemesis, the Blue Bulls.

Province trailed 20-3 at halftime and returned to the field a different side, getting to within one converted try at 20-15 before eventually losing 28-20.

“We fought back. If you are 15 points behind at Loftus, then you have no chance of winning. I am very proud of my players after they fought back the way that they did so that they had a chance (to win the match) at the end,” Coetzee told Monday’s Die Burger.

“That is why it is clear that they need to visit Loftus a few more times to play against the Bulls to find out what exactly it requires.

Coetzee did not want to make any mistakes for his young side's loss, but hinted once more at the frustration he has been facing throughout the Currie Cup season.

“Although I do not want to use young or old players as an excuse, the problem is that they are still learning.

“If I become despondent then I think to how despondent our Under-21 coach must be feeling, because I keep having to take players from his team.

“First we lost Wicus and now Kitshoff looks like he will be out for four or five weeks. And Nic Groom.

“I will probably have to look to our club system again (for replacements).”

Coetzee admitted that he will have to call on JD Moller to fill the void left by Kitshoff and Blaauw as he is ‘the only guy in the mix’.

According to Monday’s Cape Times, Groom will be replaced by WP’s Under-21 scrumhalf Louis Schreuder, while Shuaid ‘Bom’ Samaai will gain a Currie Cup debut after wing, Danie Poolman looks unlikely to feature against the Cheetahs at Newlands on Saturday after picking up first a blow to the head and then his thigh.

“JD Moller is the only guy in the mix! Under-21 props Tom Botha and Brummer Badenhorst both got injuries on Saturday. We need to see who can play.”


  • gooinat - 2011-09-19 11:18

    We must be one of the most unluckiest sides when it comes to injuries. Well done to the Bulls,you played a great first half and the distance we had to catch up in the second half was a tad to much.Phew but Province are in for a helluva ride the next couple of weeks,good luck my Boys...Province!!!

      Zip23 - 2011-09-19 11:39

      Allister says they should visit Loftus a couple of times more, but some decided to jump the gun and sommer join. Few tough weeks for Bulls and WP, but luckily the Bulls dont have to face the rampant tappids from Bloem this weekend. Good luck on that one, Gooinat.

      gooinat - 2011-09-19 11:50

      Thanks Zip,I must say I did not expect the Cheetahs to thrash the Sharks in the way that they did!!!!!!!!!!!!!Province are going to have it tough this weekend in fact the next couple of weeks as we hace Cheetahs home,Sharks and Lions away still to come.Good luck there to the Bulls there Zip!:):)

      Zip23 - 2011-09-19 11:55

      We wont hold our breath, but stranger things have happened. So wont write my bulls off, but neither going to bet my house on a semi spot.

      Ohmikehunt - 2011-09-19 11:55

      You can't throw boys against lions... a good big one will always beat a good little one @gooinat. Province will be lucky to make the semi's with this mob.

      jk - 2011-09-19 14:01

      zippie- donr try and be nice to us now,,,ok, i dont appreciate your sarcasm regarding our injuries... its not funny!

      Gert - 2011-09-19 14:03

      @Ohmikehunt, jy is 100% reg. Dit sal knetter om die halfeindstryd te haal. Aan die ander kant kan alle WP ondersteuners trots wees op hierdie jong span wat week na week hul bes probeer (en natuurlik ook duur skoolgeld betaal). Die feit dat die Blou Bulle teen 'n gelapte, jong, onervare span met slegs 8 punte gewen het moet kommerwekkend vir hul afrigtingspan wees. Die onvermoë om die bonuspunt drie aan te teken gaan dalk die Blou Bulle 'n plek in die halfeindstryd kos. Met 8 Springbokke in hul span is dit gewoon onaanvaarbaar.

  • Daisy - 2011-09-19 11:20

    If you ever want to be a force again, then you need to buy that young fly half from the cheetahs, think his name is Johan Goosen..............Province wake up & get this man a contract.

      Zip23 - 2011-09-19 11:44

      Too young, WP likes to bleed their own talent, and when they are done bleeding, replace them with bled out has beens. Give it 12 years, maybe.

      Grunk - 2011-09-19 12:00

      Daisy, if the rest of this bunch can't see how good Goosen is then it doesn't say much for the future of our rugby, does it? Look what Australia has done for O'Connor and he's now just 1 year older than Goosen with 50 Test Caps under his belt - and Goosen has got just as much talent as O'Connor (albeit in a slightly different mix) any day. The rest of his talents are way above average, but that boot of his makes him a very, very special player for our future.

      Daisy - 2011-09-19 12:44

      Grunk, I agree with u 100%. U have a good rugby brain & think that this guy along with Hougard, Sadie,JJ Engelbreght, Francois steyn,Lambie & a couple of other youngsters the future of the Boks looks very promising assuming they play for the boks in the next year or so.

  • WPBLIKSEM - 2011-09-19 11:21

    AC please no excuses, this has nothing to do with the ability of the Boys as we have destroyed this Blue Bulls team 6/7 weeks ago(35-7). For me this is a psychological issue, it seems as if our guys don't learn from past outings or games against the Bulls. They try to intimidate teams in the first 10-20 minutes and we fall for it time and again. What is the problem with us? Other teams like the Cheetahs and the Sharks have a NO NONSENSE approach against the Bulls. It's not as if we can't beat them, but it is how we react when they start to SMASH us around. And that is precisely what we must do, we must SMASH them around the park. I was impressed with the physicality of Tiaan, Kitsie, Brock, BIG Hilton and Nick koster. But defences around the scrums were non-existent and here we have to blame Daniller and Fenton Wells, let's start with Siya and Carr against the Cheetahs. Sterkte vir die week Boys, it's not a train smash, it's just sport. Sometimes you win and sometimes you loose. Losing is PAINFULL especially against the Bulls, but we must keep on believing in our systems and select the right players. Saturday will be different, it's Newlands and I can't see us losing this game, so I'll predict a win for us. A bonus point will be a bonus, as it says. WP jou LEKKER DING

      Zip23 - 2011-09-19 11:42

      Honestly, think youll need a miracle to beat the Cheeters this weekend.

      Ohmikehunt - 2011-09-19 12:01

      Dream on @WPBLIKSEM - Province to lose by 15+

      BlueRaven - 2011-09-19 12:22

      Zip I have to agree, the Cheetahs will show no mercy..

      jk - 2011-09-19 14:04

      wpbliksem- you got it wronf again...met n haker op flank, n flank op vleul, loskakel no 7....c'mon, ek wil dit net so graag soos jy wen, maar dis die bulle wat pateties is, hoe is jy 17-0 voor en sukkel dan om te wen en kry nie n bonuspunt nie...ons moet net voort beur!!!

      BlueRaven - 2011-09-19 15:01

      jk wat regtig pateties was, was die ref... ons was geroof van n drie en n bonus punt en jy weet dit. Daai aangee was nie vorentoe nie. Maar no complains, we won. Die Blou Bulle het n beter kans om in die finaal te speel as WP en ek dink die Blou Bulle het geen kans om dit reg te kry hierdie jaar nie. Left it too late unfortunately.

      jk - 2011-09-19 15:26

      raven- ek as n wp man kan dieselfde oor die ref se...ek dink die bulle sal onreg aan n c/beker fim\naal doe deur daarin te speel..julle manne is net nie goed genoeg, of het nog nie daai staus vir n finaal nie...wp in teendeel verdien dit...deur alles wat ons moes oorkom, is dit ongelooflik dat ons nog n span in die veld kan stoot. Al wat nou nog moet gebeur is dat alister a beroerte moet kry, dan sit ons sonder n afrigter...

      BlueRaven - 2011-09-19 15:33

      jk geen span "verdien" n beker nie. Jy speel vir n beker. Julle gaan net soos ons nie die CC wen die jaar nie. My span het dit weereens soos met die Super 15 die jaar te laat gelos, maar ten minste lyk hulle weer soos n BUL span.

      jk - 2011-09-19 15:44

      raven- kan nie glo julle raak opgewonde oor sat se wen nie...maar, n blinde hoender pik ook partykeer n mieliepit raak..

      BlueRaven - 2011-09-19 15:49

      jk ons is ALTYD bly wanneer ons span wen, al is dit teen die WP :)

      Charlie - 2011-09-19 16:11

      So WPBLIKSEM you were hard on Fleckie for being a bit worried about the game at Loftus, I said there could be one of four possible explanations for your attack on Fleckie – now that we know it is not “intelligence” you are free to pick one of the remaining three: 1)Innocence 2) arrogance 3) ignorance – say if you need help ?

      jk - 2011-09-19 16:20

      raven- ek verstaan die blydskap oor die wen, maar julle ga aan asof alle probleme uit die pad is na die wen...

      BlueRaven - 2011-09-19 16:54

      jk die Bulle se toekoms lyk blink! Die span het gesukkel, maar dit lyk of hulle en ou Pine mekaar uiteindelik gevind het. Flip het nie eers n geel kaart gekry nie! Amazing!!!

  • Brannas - 2011-09-19 11:35

    You got hammered by our young guns, end off, hahahaha.

      Gert - 2011-09-19 14:09

      Young guns? 9 Springboks in the BB team and they could not score a bonus point against this young and inexperienced WP team Poor, poor Blue Bulls

      jk - 2011-09-19 15:27

      brannas- ek sal nie so opgewonde raak oor die wen nie ou seun...

      Northern Stormer - 2011-09-20 05:57

      Ou Brannas is tevred met die minste - nie aan meer gewoond nie - Een wen en hulle is die CC champs - ai,ai,ai,ai vergeetagtig die man !!!!

  • Kailif - 2011-09-19 11:44

    Or you can buy some more star players from the Lions. This guy should not forget how long the Lions had to rebuild just to perfrom well at Currie Cup level again. It may now be Province who have to go through that cycle. maybe the Province problem is not with the players but the coach...

      Ohmikehunt - 2011-09-19 12:23

      Flyhalves used - Van Aswegen; Peter Grant; Lionel Cronjé; Sam Lane; Kurt Coleman; Dewaldt Duvenage; Earl Rose; Demetri Catrikilis; and now Isma-eel Dollie... have I missed any out? Then add to that the impact of Bok call-ups and a spate of injuries - Pieter Louw, Duane Vermeulen, Andries Bekker, Wikus Blaauw, JC Kritzinger, Steven Kitshoff, et al. So @Kailif it's quite a puerile argument that they (province) bought players from the Lions - that's the nature of professional sport and province have lost way more quality players due to players moving overseas/other franchises than the Lions have. Bottom line is that fate has dealt province some cruel blows and thus their performance (in spite of that) has been quite remarkable. Surely the coaching staff must get some credit for that? Despite all the chest-beating by Bulls supporters over their win on Saturday, they should not forget that they still had the luxury of 8 Bok players in their team - one would think that they would have won far more comfortably!

      nixcroft - 2011-09-19 16:29

      @Ohmikehunt : what should actually me more concerning for province isn't how the young ones perform, the problem is why are their players getting injured the way they do ? And it can't be player burnout, these guys come in, play one, two or maybe 3 games then have serious injuries. Something with the conditioning at WP ? While i take my hat off to the youngsters...they put up one hell of a game, and yes it isn't easy stepping up to the plate and outgunning (even a weak) bulls team at loftus...but seriously... there is something wrong on the conditioning front or something at WP...go LIONS !!!!

  • Kaapie - 2011-09-19 12:14

    Hell we dont flyhalves. AC was stupid to take Dollie after 45min and even more stupid to start with Fenton Wells and Daniller. What a change when when Kolisi and Carr came on. Clearly both Fenton Wells and Dailler were ineffective yet they played for almost the whole match before Changes were made.

      WPBLIKSEM - 2011-09-19 12:30

      I can't agree more, he MUST start with Carr and Kolisi against the Cheetahs!!!! I also think Quinn Roux have a higher workrate than De Kock Steenkamp, also more sized.

      Gert - 2011-09-19 13:49

      @Kaapie, Dollie is the #9 flyhalf of the WP and clearly shown it. He was taken off 40 minutes too late.

  • Weepee - 2011-09-19 13:39

    Scary how much crap people write on this site. For a start everytime WP lose there are comments about going out and buying players. Why don't we see if we can contract 200 players and pay them all. The facts are WP are ravege by injuries and it's an indictment on just how good the coaching staff really are that WP remain 2nd on the log. If anything the side lost because of over enthusiasm which at times translated to bad discipline and the ref was not going to be us any favours. This is an awesome young side who may be a little down at the moment but they are definetly not out! I think they will win the CC.

  • Krugga - 2011-09-19 13:58

    Didnt their u/19 & u/21 sides also loose? Luckily some of those talented youngsters will find a proper home at Loftus next year. :-)))))))))))))

      jk - 2011-09-19 14:06

      krugga- what a load of bull you bulle can talk..

      Krugga - 2011-09-19 14:22

      JK, your u/19s & u/21s DID loose and Sadie &Engelbrecht WILL go to the Bulls next year maybe more... All facts baberbek, all facts.

      Shistirrer - 2011-09-19 14:32

      Krugga, please keep in mind that all the top players in the Province u/19 and u/21 sides are now playing for the senior side. Its effectively a Province u/21 side that's lying 2nd on the Premier Division log. Where is the Bulls team with their 9 Springboks?

      BlueRaven - 2011-09-19 15:07

      Shistirrer please keep in mind that the WP team that played the Blue bulls on Saturday had 8 Stormers in the team... add Siya Kolisi to the list and it makes it 9. So please stop with your pathetic excuses.

      jk - 2011-09-19 15:29

      raven & krugga- the sad thing for the bulle is that saturday was your final...

      Northern Stormer - 2011-09-20 06:08

      Gents and the rest of the regular U/19 & U21's were playing for Maties who crushed Tukkies in the last few days. These Bulls supporters on these forums do have selective memories and only use what they feel make them look good. Up and until the time their guys played against Aus & NZ in the tri- nations as boks, they were regarded as full on boks - after they were thrashed there they returned as normal Bulls players (which they actually are !!) and then they have the cheek to refer to WP's guys who has all the experience by playing for the Stormers ??? They will grab anything possible to hide their inability to play good rugby constantly and make a difference in the competition they are competing in !!! They will not win the Lions this coming Saturday, nor will they reach the play-offs and after end October they would have lost all the trofees they won the past 10 years in just 11 months - excellent perfomance I would say and then they rant and rave about a 28-20 win - ai,ai,ai, these guys just don't think before they talk !!!!

  • Fleckie - 2011-09-19 19:37

    Well, what excuse can you possibly use??? If it wasn't for the ref the Bulls would have won by 30+

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