Coetzee: Life after Sadie, JJ

2011-10-24 22:16

Cape Town - Western Province coach Allister Coetzee says they "tried hard" to keep the services of star duo, JJ Engelbrecht and Johan Sadie, but nevertheless insists they have enough talent to be optimistic about the future.

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Province ended another season without a trophy when they lost their Currie Cup semi-final against the Golden Lions in Johannesburg over the weekend. The Capetonians last won the Currie Cup way back in 2001.

“We understand fully the pain of the faithful out there, maybe even more so. The players and management are equally if not more hungry for silverware and there was lot of disappointment and introspection in the camp," Coetzee told the WP Rugby website.

But Coetzee insists a lot of positives could be taken out of the season, despite the departure of two of their brightest young backline stars in Engelbrecht and Sadie.

"I have not changed my mind on the value that this season will have into the future. The names of JJ and Sadie are bandied about in argument pointing to the failure of WP to develop and retain its youngsters and provide quality depth into the future.

"The reality is however somewhat different. Those players' contracts came to an end and we tried hard to keep them. That said, there are fantastic structures in place at all levels and a big group of talented youngsters coming through the ranks.

"This season 16 U21 players received significant game time in the senior competition, with the bulk of them having signed with WP for the future," said Coetzee.

The coach believes the experienced gained in the Currie Cup season will stand the youngsters in good stead in the future, especially with the 2012 Super Rugby season looming.

"It would have been easy to buy old experienced players for the Currie Cup season. We took the opposite route as a stated pre-season goal to continue the development of our youngsters to ensure depth for Super Rugby. Whilst it may be of little immediate consolation, that investment is a great one and will be of enormous value next season and into the future," said Coetzee.


  • kevin.rack - 2011-10-24 23:23

    There is something rotten at Newlands and it starts with the top management and then the coaches. Kinda like SARU too.

      Wilbur - 2011-10-25 01:33

      It's been like this for years. Only union where the amateur union controls the professional company. We're tired of feeble explanations from Allister and Rassie; always looking to next year, next week, always building, but winning nothing. Clearly the base is sound, but they are unable to get the team over the final hurdle. Time to clean house?

      adrian.bruwer - 2011-10-25 07:11

      I can't wait for Life After Coetzee. You're the only coach that can't reach a final with a host of Springboks. Do the right thing and resign. How can you let Johan Sadie and JJ go? JJ said that there are more opportunities at the Bulls. Why? That says a lot about what goes on at ROTTEN NEWLANDS. Our best tallent is seeking alternative employment due to better prospects... You're no coach. You're just a stupid diplomat.

      Moses - 2011-10-25 17:12

      Maybe we should get rid of the administrators as well as the coaching staff! How can we buy Van Den Heever when there is so much local talent that we can use in the Cape? I just hope WP did not buy another Habana! Letting our boys go just shows that our coaches and administrators has no management skills! Maybe that is also the reason why we last won a cup in 2001?

  • Chloe - 2011-10-25 05:38

    Need John Mitchell as coach !! Without discipline and pride no team will make it ( Mitchell instills that )

      Paul - 2011-10-25 08:19

      Leave Mitchell alone ....typical WP mentallity, "we'll buy ourselves a cup" ... I'm glad to see you guys loosing some STARS .... payback for stealing Jacque from our Lions ... I feel sorry for Jacque , he went to "NO CUPS WP " to win a cup and now his off to Japan with NO CUPS ... He could have won a Currie Cup with the Lions this year !!!

      paul.ramncwana - 2011-10-25 09:05

      @Paul if u don't know something pls keep quiet becoz if u look at all the Currie Cup teams 4 or 5 players come from WP and with the WP team it has homegrown players more than any other team in the Currie Cup. Even the Lions Captain is a Maties boy so pls get your facts right before u talk.

      Paul - 2011-10-25 09:55

      @paul.ramncwana ... if you read my comment it was mostly about Jacque and Mictchell ... as for Joshua Strauss ... we gave him his big chance not WP ... as for telling me , I should keep quite and I don't know my rugby .... I KNOW THIS ... WP HAS NO CUPS ....LOL

      Taetjo - 2011-10-25 13:33

      @paulramncwana... There is only one springboks factory and that is in Bloemfontein. The rest are consumers!

      jeanres - 2011-10-27 06:05

      bring Mallet in!

  • brian.heunis - 2011-10-25 05:44

    And then we buy Van Den Heever from the Bulls?!?!?!?!?!

  • Lionel - 2011-10-25 07:07

    Sorry Alister but you guys slipped up badly there,you could have afforded both of those players if you let Habana go........

      Ockie - 2011-10-25 07:21

      Where to? I remeber news about a club in the UK or France that turn him down ... he was too expensive for them. Luckily the Rand is stronger than the Euro in Cape Town! (Joke!)

      Lionel - 2011-10-25 07:25

      HAHAHAHAHAHA,Ja Ockie thats a good one,I personally think that was probably the worst buy WP has ever made and especially for that amount of money as well,where to for Habana,well he has just signed another 3 years with us,unfortuanetly!!!!!!!

      adrian.breda - 2011-10-25 09:10

      I agree with you there, he is a great player and doing a lot of work but a wing must score tries and he can't anymore.

  • Gert - 2011-10-25 07:17

    Just how much can you learn. It means nothing if you keep on learning, but you keep on losing the players who learns that lessons. JJ, Sadie and Jaques Fourie will be gone next year. I'm not even a WP supporter, but I cringe for their sake every time I hear Allistair say how much his team has learned in defeat and how many positives they can take out of this loss. Just like winning becomes a habit, losing can become a habit as well. Do we really want someone in the habit of losing coaching the Boks?

  • Frankie - 2011-10-25 07:19

    Allister its time for you to leave! We will never win anything there with you as our coach! You just dont have what it takes to take a team over to the next level!

  • Brannas - 2011-10-25 07:20

    I've been telling those demented supporters all season long that their players are has beens and that their managements are braindead toothless idiots, but they did not believe me, I am glad to see that they see the light eventually. All I can say is I told you so. Hahahahahaha.

      Gustav - 2011-10-25 11:01

      Brannas and where did the Bulls finished? Ha ha ha ha ha ha

      Cliff - 2011-10-26 09:36

      Hoekom verwyder jy jou profiel - Na jy gedreig het om my dogter te verkrag , Jou Blou Bul rubbish !!!!

      Pieter - 2011-10-26 22:30

      @Cliff Loop w@nk jouself jou bledie aap

  • Kevin - 2011-10-25 08:13

    You cant take positives to the trophy cabinet. Bottom line -Coetzee is not a winning coach

  • Jou - 2011-10-25 09:01

    JJ Engelbrecht isnt so great anyways, Sadie yes you can see the talent there but JJ very over rated, what has he done? WP are losers and will always be losers. Stop looking for excuses and man up

  • Facts - 2011-10-25 09:09

    And that life is? Maybe another 20 years without any silverware! As a loyal Province supporter I am now a bit gatvol of all the nice words and promises without proper results.

  • Jou - 2011-10-25 09:19

    P.Divvy should take up the coaching roll at WP, he will fit in with their structure perfectly

      Francois - 2011-10-27 13:31

      Enige tyd P Divvy; 68% sukses met bokke; beste nog na Mallet; wat het die nuwe ou by bulle sover reggekry?

  • garethwilliams84 - 2011-10-25 09:25

    So Disappointed that Sadie is going, looks like we keeping the old (Habana) & selling the young, a bit doff don't you think.

      Jou - 2011-10-26 09:33

      A bit WP like dont you think?

  • jacques.ackermann - 2011-10-26 10:54

    as n sharks boytjie all i can say is replace allister, fleck and that plonker proudfoot. your adminstrators are rubbish too. lost to a lions side wih at least half of the players that wp has. no cups coetzee has struck again. i just cant quite understand that all the wp supporters still support him with the rubbish results that he has over the past 4 odd years. it seems like a lot off buddy buddy style of coaching is going on there so that is not the type of enviroment to create a performance style of team. if he was at the sharks he would have been fired in a few years. thank goodness he is out of the running for the SB job. for that i am very thankfull

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