'WP scrum must improve'

2011-07-26 22:35

Stephen Nell

Cape Town - The personnel might well have changed but the goal remains the same against the Blue Bulls.

"It's one thing to know what you need to do but another to actually do it," said Western Province forward coach Matthew Proudfoot ahead of Saturdays Currie Cup match against the men from Pretoria. 
Gary Botha is the only member of the Bulls' tight five who did Super Rugby duty who is still available for selection.

Props Dean Greyling and Werner Kruger are touring with the Springboks, while locks Victor Matfield and Bakkies Botha are on the list of "injured" Springboks.

Danie Rossouw and Flip van der Merwe are also on Springbok duty which means Fudge Mabeta and Juandre Kruger will make up the second row.

Gurthrö Steenkamp and Chiliboy Ralepelle are also not available.

Yet still you will struggle to find someone who would call them vulnerable - especially after coming back from being 3-17 down against Free State to win 33-30.

"Their game plan remains he same. They attack you in every scrum and are very good at short lineouts. They still use the same lineout system used by Victor Matfield. Juandré Kruger is very athletic. Their philosophy with regard to taking your tight five on is still very much part of their plan," said Proudfoot.

He did acknowledge that the WP scrum had improved against the Leopards, but he expects more from his pack.

"I was still not happy with our scrum. I do not think we are maintaining the pressure after the hit. The timing of the hit is fine but if we want to mix it with the Sharks, Bulls, Free State and Lions we need to maintain that pressure after the hit."

WP managed to keep their Stormers front row but have had to pit together new lock and loose forward combinations.

"It's a question of synergy. We need a good foundation because in Nick Koster we have a man who carries the ball well from the base of the scrum and we want to use him as an attacking weapon - like the Bulls use Pierre Spies," said Proudfoot.

If WP's players are able to stand up to the physicality of the Bulls, they would stand a chance to beat the men from Pretoria.

"There are not many sides that would have been able to wipe out a deficit in the way they did on Saturday. The manner in which they fought back to win the game was really impressive," said Proudfoot.

"I don't think Pine Pienaar (new Bulls coach) changed much. That old fighting spirit is still there.

"They are probably trying to launch a few more counter attacks but still use the same old defensive structure.

"Pine thus makes use of the best aspects of their game while also adding a bit of the attacking style he employed at the Cheetahs."


  • Creeky - 2011-07-26 23:40

    Jirre... I had a dyslexic moment and thought I read "WP's SCUM must improve" ROFLMAO!!!!!!

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-27 05:33

      It wasn't a dyslexic moment. It's a typo error from the writer.

      Creeky - 2011-07-27 11:55

      Looks like old Proudfoot has had his SHARE OF KING PIES....

      BiggestBull - 2011-07-27 15:08

      Jeez Creeky, that was a funny moment! Are you still laughing!

  • Bulldozer - 2011-07-27 06:17

    Nee wat. Terwyl ou Wicus 'groen handjies' Blaauw en Brok 'King Pie' Harris daar is, is daar nie n kans vir die scrum om te verbeter nie.

      BiggestBull - 2011-07-27 07:44


      Bulldozer - 2011-07-27 07:56


      jk - 2011-07-27 08:28

      kyk kef die fox terriers weer...

      BlueRaven - 2011-07-27 09:43

      ek sien my ou Doberman Pinchertjie :)

      Skubbe - 2011-07-27 10:56

      As geharde WP man moet ek met jou saamstem. Ons twee stutte is week in en week uit ons ondergang. Nie net skrum hulle swak nie, maar Brok wal alewig die momentum in die agterlyn breek kos ons punte. Die belaglike strafskop wat hy teen Griekwas afgestaan het om die gelykopuitslag weg te gee was ook bekotsenswaardig. Mens sou dink dat WPRU meer aandag sou gee aan die grootmaak / aankoop van ordentlike stutte met al die hekgeld wat ons getroue ondersteuners vir hulle gee - net om keer op keer in die play-offs te verloor!

      Creeky - 2011-07-27 11:54

      Notice a LOAD of VLOU BULLE supporters on the site today! Shame... unfortunately there HAS TO BE A WINNER on saturday... either way! Question is: do either of them DESERVE IT?

  • WPBLIKSEM - 2011-07-27 07:02

    As a WP supporter I think the scrum will ONLY improve if Brock Harris and Wickus Blaauw are replaced by Fransie Malherbe and Steven Kitshoff. Brock Harris is too SMALL for a prop. Good Luck Province, I know we'll do it!!! WP jou LEKKA DING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Ian Hattingh - 2011-07-27 07:24

      Agreed blood the youngsters now and get it over with. Brok and Wicus have never shaped.

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-27 07:55

      More BALSAK, lekker geslaap?

      Bricktop - 2011-07-27 08:19

      Stem saam. Ons kan nie met sulke light weights ander pakke aandurf nie.

      jk - 2011-07-27 08:31

      our scrums has been fine 85% of the time for abot 2 years now, the media is just terrible

      John - 2011-07-27 09:03

      I think maybe you should wear glasses when you watch rugby ! "Brock Harris is too SMALL for a prop" waaaahahahaha. Listen chump that frt row held it's own against all the sides in the S15 bar the Crusaders

      Creeky - 2011-07-27 11:49

      Why not change BROK'S name to PROPPIE.... built like one!

      BiggestBull - 2011-07-27 12:02

      Creeky - please elaborate on your comment. Thanking you in advance.

      WPBLIKSEM - 2011-07-27 12:04

      @John- Listen my fellow WP friend, I'm watching and supporting this Blue and White hoops since 1971, so I know what I'm talking about!!!

      WPBLIKSEM - 2011-07-27 12:06

      @Bull - Jip, ek't lekker geslaap langs die liefde van my LEWE!!!!!!

      BiggestBull - 2011-07-27 15:09

      Why do you always start your sentences with "as a WP supporter"? Dont you think its fairly obvious?

  • The_Fox - 2011-07-27 07:31

    Thank you for pointing out the obvious Proudfoot. Invest in better players i.e. Steven and Frans, why dont you?

  • Hein - 2011-07-27 07:44

    Go Blue Bulls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      BiggestBull - 2011-07-27 07:56

      Yes man Hein! Go Bulls!!!!

      WPBLIKSEM - 2011-07-27 12:07

      No man Hein! Go WP Go!!!! WP jou JAM TERT!!!!!!!

  • Lefty - 2011-07-27 07:46

    Besef Proudfoot nie dat BLaauw en Harris NIE die antwoord is nie....hoe lank nog gaan ons met die twee sukkel!!

      BiggestBull - 2011-07-27 07:57

      Racist comment.

  • jk - 2011-07-27 08:20

    im sure we will get the hit right. im so sick & tired of the media hammering on our scrums, for 2 seasons now the scrum was very very good 85% of the time. so get something else to write about please!!!!!

      BlueRaven - 2011-07-27 08:45

      I agree with you jk, Wie Pie scrums are just fine. Blaauw and Harris rocks! :-) Go Bulls! show them what you made of

      BiggestBull - 2011-07-27 08:56

      Nice one BlueRectum!

      jk - 2011-07-27 09:03

      raven, i know you made out of sarcasm, but again, name any other game apart from the last game against the crusaders that we ere terrible in the scrums. you easily forget in the c\cup game in 2010 the push over try against the bulls at newlands-and hoe werner kruger sukkel??

      Maori - 2011-07-27 09:04

      @JK, how did you get to 85%? Please explain your formula. Very interesting. Told you guys, never underestimate JK

      BlueRaven - 2011-07-27 09:08

      thank you BiggestTwat

      jk - 2011-07-27 09:12

      please maori- dont make me laugh, i can even push that up to 90% if you want. fact of the matter, our scrums is much better since 2010. you cant make the final and semi in super rugby with a crap scrum. And with that crap scrum we beat all the NZ teams in NZ in 2010...

      Maori - 2011-07-27 09:16

      Thank you JK

      jk - 2011-07-27 09:16

      dont call maori a twat raven..

  • Porra - 2011-07-27 08:42

    Any of you Einsteins know if Elstad is injured?

      BiggestBull - 2011-07-27 08:57

      Duh... yes. Next time use google.

      jk - 2011-07-27 08:58

      3 months with a knee ligament

  • Dan - 2011-07-27 08:49

    I have been saying it for years, the Stormers/WP must stop buying outside players and invest in 2 decent props. With the side they had these past couple of seasons, they could have dominated SA rugby. Those two props are not Super 15 quality and may hold their own at Currie Cup level, although I doubt it very much. Province doesn't have hard men in the lock devision, so proper props should be their priority. I cannot foresee it, but don't be surprised if the bulls with their no. 5-6 props and without Chilliboy still cause problems in the scrum.

  • BlueRaven - 2011-07-27 08:58

    Go Blue Bulls! Gaffel hulle!

      jk - 2011-07-27 09:13

      gaffel??? gaffel jou gras saterdag voor die game asb..gaffel!!lol

      BiggestBull - 2011-07-27 09:13

      Go Bulls! Go! Go! Go!

      jk - 2011-07-27 09:17

      ja, ek hoop die wp gaffel die bulls...

      jk - 2011-07-27 09:22


      BlueRaven - 2011-07-27 09:46

      jk die Wie Pie het nie horings nie my ding :)

      jk - 2011-07-27 09:55!!!gaffel...he he

  • Chuck Norris - 2011-07-27 09:30

    The wet fart scrum is average. They're a bunch of powder puffs.

      jk - 2011-07-27 09:35

      wet fart? i think i smell norris around

      Chuck Norris - 2011-07-27 09:49

      jk, Please try not to overload the one and only neuron between your ears

      jk - 2011-07-27 10:36

      chukkie- hou jy mar by die horror movies my bra

      BLOODY AGENT - 2011-07-27 11:22

      jk? mar?

      jk - 2011-07-27 11:29

      agent-maar, mar, hou by die program fanie

  • Chillipop - 2011-07-27 09:48

    @ WP - After reading all the comments on this article, if EVER there was a reason / motivation to send the Bulls straight back to Pretoria licking their wounds, this would be it...GO BOYS GO!!!

      BiggestBull - 2011-07-27 09:53

      Childish comment.

      jk - 2011-07-27 09:57

      very true chillipop- saturday they will take the interkaap back north, to maybe get home for their next match... biggestbull- weet jy ooit wats die verskil tussen n loskop en n vaskop??

      Chillipop - 2011-07-27 10:06

      @ BiggestBull...from what I have read regarding your comments - all of them have been childish...especially the personal comments...but hey, you know the saying "When in Rome..." Now you go off and have a wonderful day!

      BlueRaven - 2011-07-27 10:07

      Chilly bad news, the police are on to us! They are looking for a sexy person and a retard. They got me, so put in your tongue, grab your crayons and RUN!!! ROFL

      Chillipop - 2011-07-27 10:12

      @Blue Raven...VERY original...WELL DONE DUDE! Pity that my 18 year old brother and his mates are laughing their @sses off at you okes...But dont worry, next time I am looking for an ORIGINAL joke I will be sure to ask you first...

      Chillipop - 2011-07-27 10:21

      @Blue that we have got all of that out of the way, any intelligent words that you would like to share with us regarding Saturday's game...?

      BlueRaven - 2011-07-27 10:27

      oh my gosh Chilly, please don't tell me there are more of you out there? lmao

      jk - 2011-07-27 10:29

      chilli- do see what and who i got to deal with... its terrible chilli, terrible im telling you

      BlueRaven - 2011-07-27 11:44

      Chilly yes actually I was wondering... which one on your pic is your brother, the blond or the brunette?

      jk - 2011-07-27 12:42

      raven- which wing are you of the bird in the picture-left or right, supporting the bulls, i suppose its right wing...

      BlueRaven - 2011-07-27 12:58

      Neither jk the blue raven on the pic is what we call an avatar, pretty don't you think?

      Chillipop - 2011-07-27 14:42


      BlueRaven - 2011-07-27 16:17

      Chilli my boy very little I can say about Saturday's game, both teams are pretty new, young and inexperienced and have played 2 games so far so time will tell. I will say this, the Bulls impressed and surprised a lot of people last Saturday and if I was a WP supporter I would be worried! What is your thoughts on the game old chap? Please do share your vast rugby knowledge with us?

      Chillipop - 2011-07-28 08:17

      @BlueRaven...I have always maintained (even though I am a WP and Sharks supporter) that the best team on the day should win the game...and yes, there have been times that the Blue Bulls have made fantastic come backs that have shocked us all, and good for them. So, regarding Saturday's game, may the best team with the most discipline on the field win..its that simple! What I dont understand is that this is a rugby forum, yet people feel the need to get personal, and that is NOT in the spirit of any sport, let alone rugby! Yes, good clean banter between supporters is fun, but when people start getting personal and malicious, that's when true sportsmanship is forgotten...and as much as the boys appreciate the support, I am sure that they wouldn't appreciate the personal comments that get made on here at times...Just a thought..

  • BiggestBull - 2011-07-27 11:21

    GO BULLS GO!! My heart, my sole, my Bulls!

      jk - 2011-07-27 11:30

      biggestbull- WE DONT CARE!!!!

      BiggestBull - 2011-07-27 13:57

      jk, go put a bulletproof vest on and shoot yourself in the hand,

      jk - 2011-07-27 14:18

      biggestbull-put on a vest to shoot myself in the hand.. bulle bo! lol!!

  • CliffB - 2011-07-27 15:44

    Creeky: Ain't the Bull's

      BiggestBull - 2011-07-27 16:35


  • Kleinboet - 2011-07-27 22:52

    Wish we had better props, but these two will do for the task ahead. At least they have experience and did not do too badly in the Super15. I believe that by the weekend the scrum will begin functioning as a unit, having struggled for the past few games because of new players being brought into the pack. But I still hope we will find new props soon … If we cannot hold our own in the scrums on Saturday, we are in big trouble for the rest of the season, despite having bled exciting new talent in the bag line.

      Kleinboet - 2011-07-28 00:12

      That should read: '…in the back line …'

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