Bulls sign WP duo

2011-07-08 17:12

Brenden Nel

Pretoria - The Vodacom Blue Bulls have pulled off a massive coup by signing the up and coming Western Province and Stormers duo of Johann Sadie and JJ Engelbrecht.

Both players signed their contracts until the end of 2013 with the Blue Bulls Rugby Union and will join up with the team on 1 November this year, after the completion of the Currie Cup competition.

The duo, who are highly rated across the country, will help soften the blow of several Springbok stars leaving the Bulls at the end of the season.

Bulls High Performance manager Ian Schwartz told that they were delighted at confirming the signatures.

“Both players are exceptional talents and have proven themselves at Currie Cup level, while Johann Sadie immediately made an impact at Super Rugby level in his performances for the Stormers. We believe they will fit in well with the vision we have at the Bulls for the next few years and are sure they will become an integral part of the Bulls family.”

While both players have appeared more on the wing in recent times, both can play in the midfield and offer the Bulls versatility in their backline, which will see lots of young talent come through in the next few years.

Sadie is seen as a future Springbok and has come through the ranks after completing his schooling at Paarl Gymnasium. Having represented the SA under-20s at the IRB Junior World Championship in 2009, he was part of the victorious Maties side in the Varsity Cup in 2009 and 2010. He also featured prominently in the Western Province under-21 side that won the championship in 2010.

A product of Grey High, Port Elizabeth, JJ Engelbrecht moved to Western Province after playing for EP in the Craven Week. He was part of the Maties team that was victorious in the Varsity Cup and faced the British and Irish Lions for WP in 2009.

Since then he played for Province in the Currie Cup, and was part of the Stormers squad for this year’s Vodacom Super Rugby competition. He did spend much of his time in the Vodacom Cup and ended up the joint top points-scorer with 10 tries this year.


  • Muzi Msimango - 2011-07-08 17:16

    How does it feel to be a WP supporter right now.....i would be fuming these two players are class...future boks.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-07-08 17:38

      Not fuming Muzi - I knew it was coming. Saddened a little, but far more relieved we kept Juan de Jongh to be perfectly honest. Said it from day 1 - keep Juan at all costs! Good buys for the Bulls @Muzi, but watch this space, or go and read a post I made much earlier today on the Brussow thread, when it became obvious Sadie was going (it's about centres, and the reason WP would not have offered Sadie what the Bulls did, in terms of money and game time.....then read between the lines, and make of it what you will :) Then sit back and watch :) Anyways, it's professional sport chaps - players HAVE to do what they think is best for their careers, and I don't begrudge either of them one iota - at least they aren't going to Australia to become citizens there) Nice buys Bulls - thanks for the cash :)

      Jack - 2011-07-08 17:47

      Sh*t, I hope these guys don't teach the Bulls to do typical WP stuff like using moisturizer and carrying man-bags.

      Theuns - 2011-07-08 17:57

      Now that was a good buy. Hopefully these guys would get some descent game time now. I reckon Sadie is going to be BIG... If I was a Viskop I would've been "NOT HAPPY.".

      Northern Stormer - 2011-07-08 18:02

      My gut feeling tells me the Ebersohn twins are on their way to CT !!!!!! Sorry to loose JJ & Sadie but it's in SA interest to get something decent up North !! Go well boys and show them how things are done !!!

      Andrew - 2011-07-08 18:05

      we are used to it down here,,,,the best talent is produced in the Cape.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-07-08 18:07

      @Jack - you chaps already have so many WP boys playing up there, I reckon if any handbag and make-up tips were to be forced on the Bulls chaps, Hougaard and Watermeyer would have done it already?

      René Müller - 2011-07-08 18:15

      Hi Muzi, The difference between the BBRU and other unions, while other unions are talking about buying players, the BBRU actually do it!! The whole week it's about Brussow blablabla, and then the BBRU put their money where their mouths are! Just love it!!! 2 Great players, they will do well in the Bulls Camp!!! Good luck to them!

      René Müller - 2011-07-08 18:25

      @SAFFA, sorry my dear, no money going into the WP coffers since their contracts will be expired by the time they start with the Bulls, therefore no 'buy out or transfers etc' monies being paid. It was, so to speak, open season to offer contracts, fortunately these guys (Sadie/JJ) listened to duo Watermeyer/Hougaard, "If you want to achieve something in the world of rugby, move up north, and do it fast" - I think that's the way the conversation went!

      Theuns - 2011-07-08 18:48 bek kort JAM!!!

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-07-08 19:23

      @Tannie Rene - you misunderstand me. I should have said Nice buys Bulls, thank you for the ADDITIONAL cash (in relieving us of these 2 players salaries and more)........If you read what I commented much earlier in the day on the Brussow thread it might make a little more sense. That said, they are both great buys, and I wish them all the best with the Bulls. No need to worry about us down here though.....I promise you that :)

      René Müller - 2011-07-08 20:11

      @SAFFA, dear child, no misunderstanding! You clearly said, 'thanks for the cash', no back tracking now, besides how can the BBRU relieve you of so called salaries being paid, if they are and would not have been on the payroll anyway?

      Krugga - 2011-07-08 20:40

      Saffa I can name quite a few players who grew to become great players without having the benefit of bigger players to learn from. Habana at the Lions, Victor & Bakkies (the only thing the lock pair before them deserved was the the once off red Mr Price jersey), Fourie at the Lions etc. I agree, most players need senior players to mentor them but truely brilliant players are autodidactic and have the confidence, talent and vision to make that position their own and I think Heyneke knows this about Sadie.

      Maarten - 2011-07-08 22:30

      Great news for the Bulls. We really need some "spark". And these two might just provide some.

      Mike@CapeT - 2011-07-08 23:31

      Hi Rene, I think you will agree, all the best things come from the Cape. We just can't use all our resources! Good luck with your new products of the Cape. lol!

      Whoosa - 2011-07-09 06:38

      @ Nothern Stormer.I think you might be spot on mate! Especially with the sly old fox Rassie at the helm! Taken into consideration that your problem at 10 has been a big part of your downfal over the past season. However, you have to pretty good up and coming youngsters in Cronje and v Aswegen!

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-07-09 07:09

      @Tannie Rene - whoosh. If you had taken the time to go and read what I had written about the squad system and salary caps, you would have understood. But no, whooosh. A squad of 40-50 players is being put together. One can't pay the 3rd choice Outside centre a salary equivalent to that of the 1st and 2nd choices. If we had wanted to counter the Bulls offer for Sadie - we would have had to USE money already put aside for other players salaries (considering we want 40-50 players...) Keeping Sadie (when he would not have started for us in any event) is NOT cost efficient considering his salary would have wiped out 4 U/20 salaries (players we need in terms of the larger squad planning) Sadie is not our 1st choice 13, so a massive salary can't be warranted here. Then add to that another development in the pipeline, and it is clear that we have "saved" money on Sadie's "FUTURE/ASKING SALARY"that will be better utilised. It's economics. Ask yourself why the Stormers did not fight tooth and nail to keep him (apart from Rassie making the right noises in the press - when it was clear to all of us Sadie was going to move north regardless) - when you have that answer, you will understand what I am saying. Have a great weekend.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-07-09 08:08

      PS: Northern Stormer is the only soul round here prepared to think out of the box and read between the lines it seems....A good weekend to you as well mate. And you will be pleased to know that WP did NOT sign Riaan Viljjoen as was rumoured. (I know I am....) The Sharks have signed him.

      Krugga - 2011-07-09 09:07

      I think Rassie did fight tooth and nail for Sadie, they just lost. Contrary to popular belief WP does not have a fountain of limitless funds. The Ruperts are stingy businessmen, not a charity society.

      Richard - 2011-07-09 09:34

      Agree, a good buy for the bulls. The sharks can take a leaf out of the bulls handbook. You buy young talented players and develope them not old, decrapped frenchman that are only good for a few games of has been SA players coz you are in thr tripe. Sadie will most probably slot in at outside centre wiull JJ will stay on wing I presume. But with both Basson and Gerhard still young and yet to reach top form in their careers was the JJ buy really needed? But with his talent and speed I reckon he will blossom at the bulls if given a chance. I think that the young palyers coupled with Pine Pienaar as coach will take the bulls into a new era and a new style of play from next season onward. I know Pine personaly, he is a great guy and a briliant coach. We must give the bulls timewith there new era looming and not expect miracles rom the get go. It will be a rollercoaster next year or so but then the bulls will be back to their brilliant best.

      OnSide - 2011-07-09 11:01

      @Rene Muller Your statement "the difference between the BBRU and other unions, while other unions are talking about buying players, the BBRU actually do it!!" shows your ignorance regarding these matters. It was an open secret that the Bulls were after Sadie and it has been going on for quite some time now. The Brussouw story only came out this week and has been refuted by his own agent. When it comes to talent, Western Cape produces the most talented rugby players in the country and this has been acknowledged by your own golden child, Heyneke Meyer.

      Yoni - 2011-07-09 11:31

      @Muzi: Yes, the Wiepie "muzi" die ouens verkoep het nie. Maybe we can now get rid of Jaco Pretorius don't you think?

      smarti - 2011-07-09 14:02

      Well most WP supporters is not WP supporters anymore my sun is now a shark suporter after that semi final, as for me i will be untill i die but not a happy one. Will never like Allistair Coetzee and is not likeing what Rassie is doing at the moment.

  • Lean - 2011-07-08 17:19

    Poachers do it again!

      Durasmart - 2011-07-08 17:43

      JJ Engelbrech is just another example of the wealth of Eastern Cape Schools talent that had been poached by the bigger unions in the past. With the Kings academy under Robbie Kempson running well, it will hopefully be the end of that and the Kings will hold on to their talent in the future and become a force again in SA rugby. EP have just been crowned as the unofficial SA u/16 champs after beating KZN in the tournament's final match.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-07-08 18:08

      @Durasmart - Looking forward to see EP's Craven Week team in action next week. (I believe there are a few special talents in the team)

      Chuck Norris - 2011-07-08 18:40

      I wish idiots, like Lean, will grow more than one neuron and realize that "poaching" or buying players is part of this great professional sport that Rugby has become... We all KNOW the Bulls rugby team(s) consist(s) of players from all over South Africa, and so the same with the other provincial teams.

      Kaapie - 2011-07-08 18:44

      Not really worried about JJ.. plenty of wings down here, but sad about Sadie..however, three 13 competing for 1 jersey.. someone would have lost out ( Fourie, De Jongh and Sadie)

      coolio_101 - 2011-07-08 19:23

      Thats why they won the trophies... WITH THE HELP OF WP JOU LEKKE DING!!!

      Durasmart - 2011-07-09 06:58

      @Saffa. Watch out for the Free State centre, Jan Serfontein too, in this Craven Week. He is the son of ex EP no.8, Boelie Serfontein. He had been poached by Grey Bloem from Grey PE at u/15 level already. Now there is a special talent. Should definitely be one of the SA School's centres this year and apparently has already been signed by the Bulls for next year. His older brother, Willem, who currently plays for the Pumas, captained the Bulls u/21 side a few years ago.

      Richard - 2011-07-09 09:41

      @ Durasmart, Its true the EPRU has a wealth of young talent but the KIngs are a disgrace. (not to be direspectfull to anyone here). There is such a wealth of players, young players in SA yet they insist on buying overseas players. The Kings (and I mean cheeky twatson) should take thier time. Try and retain some of the young talent they have to offer and build a team pure of SA and then try and player thier way into the CC and Super rugby fray. This thing of trying to force them into the compo's like some BEE enterprize is hurting them with regards to reputation. Ep use to be one of the power houses in SA rugby and I feel their managment and the government to a certain extent is trying force them into a situation that will implode. I really do think they will be contender in a few years if they followthe correct structures and channels.

      Durasmart - 2011-07-09 15:39

      @Richard. This where a lot of people outside EP have got it wrong. I am no fan of Cheeky Watson or his political affiliations, but from a pure rugby administration perspective, he has actually been the saviour of EP rugby. When George Davids took over as president and Allister Coetzee was appointed as coach 10 years ago, the rot started to set in, off and on the field. The union was financially over R 9 mil in the red when Cheeky Watson took over and within 2 years he has turned it around and they actually showed a slight profit at the end of last year and their contracted player base had been vaslty improved too. He has also established the EP rugby academy with Robbie Kempson in charge. This academy side lost by only 8 points to the SA u/20 side in a warm-up game they played before going the junior World Cup. The one overseas player, lock Ross Kennedy's dad is the assistant coach of the Kings and tighthead prop Clint Newland was a neccessity, because they basically lost their promotion/relegation match against the Pumas last year in the tight five and as you know, good tighthead props is a very scarce commodity in SA as we witnessed in the way the Crusaders mauled the Stormers front-row last week. This year, the Kings tight five has been quite impressive this year and will even give some of the bigger unions a run for their money at scrum time.

      CliffB - 2011-07-10 08:06

      Chuck Norris : It is ( According to BB fans) only poaching when WP/Stormers does it , otherwise it is OK - Strange !!!!

  • Howzitekse - 2011-07-08 17:25

    Congratulations Bulls, someone in Snorville wide awake, while the Stormers are snoozing away. Worse news could have been that the Stormers are getting Pierre Spies as an exchange. Praat van met n slap riem uitgevang.

      Wooly Bugger - 2011-07-08 17:27

      The Stormers got Habana :)

      Kaapie - 2011-07-08 18:45

      Hopefullt Habs takes a pay cut so we can get Brussouw

      GraemeBB - 2011-07-08 22:17

      We wont let Spies go - good for captain. Funny how this can upset some, but Brussouw was great news? Atleast they stay in SA, and get opportunity in other unions, where their own unions didnt have space to develop the - SO, from an SA point of view, this is good news.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-07-09 08:10

      @GraemeBB - it is brilliant news from an SA perspective.

      Jay - 2011-07-09 10:06

      Howzit, Sadie really had no choice although he is a great talent for the future he cant be guaranteed field time at the stormers, but the bulls can give him starts, you can bet his agent chatted to the Stormers coach and asked where Sadie would fit in. Its a professional game with everyone trying to get in the starting line up. A loss for sure, but one im not too upset about.

      Jay - 2011-07-09 10:08

      I tell you one thing, the Stormers should look at buying some serious front row players, our tight five dropped us a little at the business end of the Super Rugby season.

      reinier.van.den.bergh - 2011-07-09 11:42

      wonder who was snoozing this year in Tswane hehehe

      Howzitekse - 2011-07-10 16:09

      Poor man management. Both Sadie and De Jong should have been given more game time as Fourie and De villiers could have been moved to fullback and wing respectively from time to time. Instead they are looking to buy another fullback? Sadie realy apears to be on the verge of big things. We are going to pay for this next year.

  • Stuart - 2011-07-08 17:26

    WTF, im gona be on the next flight to Cape Town to go smack some sense into Alistair and Rassie, WTF are they thinking let these guys go?

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-07-09 08:11

      @Stuart - they are thinking SENSIBLY. Please just sit back and wait for developments before slamming their decisions to let Sadie and Engelbrecht go. There is a bigger picture here.

  • Bulkalf - 2011-07-08 17:26

    Mens kan hulle nie kwalik neem nie. Hulle wil ook graag weet hoe dit voel om 'n beker te wen !

      vanrooyenmara - 2011-07-08 17:39

      LMFGA o hel ek kry so lekker .....Shame daar sink die Bulle die Donkies al WEER

      Howzitekse - 2011-07-08 17:50

      Dit grief my om dit te se, maar julle is miskien reg. Ek weet nie wat met die Stormers se bestuur aangaan nie, maar vermoed hulle is gerook.

      CliffB - 2011-07-10 08:07

      Bulkalf : Seker nie die jaar of volgende !!!

  • Scooter - 2011-07-08 17:31

    Well they needed class and they knew where to come find it, thats why these Blue Bulls supporters cant stop writing something the Stormers and WP... Look forward the the rubbish that come out your trash mouths after this news. And if its silverware that defines you.... WP = 32 Currie Cups 32 Currie Cups 32 Currie Cups SuperRugby is just business, Currie Cup is class

      vanrooyenmara - 2011-07-08 17:41

      Jy moet gaan oortel Bulle het meer CC as die donkies en Super Rugby "just business" Whahahahaha ons sou ook so gese het as ons kasie leeg was...

      Henri-Jacque - 2011-07-08 17:43

      Most of Provinces Currie Cup wins were bfore the Blue Bulls (NTVL) existed, compare apples with apples if you wanna brags, jackass !!!

      Chuck Norris - 2011-07-08 19:02

      Well Scooter, I won't brag about the Currie Cup if I were you, considering that WP had a ~49 year head start. If we talk about Currie Cup finals, then the Bulls wins hands down.

      Dwarslat - 2011-07-08 19:36

      The Bulls was part of the old Transvaal rugby union for the first 49 years. All you need to do is to add the old Transvaal currie cup wins during this period to the Bulls total in order to compare apples with apples. I think it was two wins?

      mike - 2011-07-08 20:08

      Scooter before you get too excited try google Currie Cup mate and just get some perpective. The CC as we know it only dates back to like 1968 idiot!

      Carl Muller - 2011-07-09 13:56

      And the WP has been playing nearly 40 years more than the Bulls, % wise not so good...

  • Bill - 2011-07-08 17:33

    Waar is ou GILLBERT nou????????

  • Scooter - 2011-07-08 17:38

    This is a good signing for SA rugby but not WP rugby, Sadie is class and Bulls needed a class No 13, he is gonna get the game time he needs in a good side.

      Kaapie - 2011-07-08 18:46

      Yeah but I wonder what message they sending to Dippenaar, we know Jaco is not quite the stuff

      Cuzin - 2011-07-08 18:57

      He's never gonna get the ball, meisiekind doesn't pass. So sad.

  • Bandleader - 2011-07-08 17:40

    I reckon it's good for the Boks. These guys would not get enough game time at the Stormers behind 3 Bok centres and Bok back 3, and Currie Cup is hardly worth their talent being wasted. Let's face it, Meisiekind needs to be replaced; the sooner the better! Jaco's probably nearing the end of his best playing days, so it makes sense to get the "x-factor" Sadie into the frame. Watch the Bulls turn him into a superstar. JJ's got the makings of a solid star as well, so the Stormers will probably have to watch these guys break hearts as they score tries against their old team.

  • Zion - 2011-07-08 17:51

    Well, I'll bedamned. Just wondering how the Bull supporters feel with these aliens intruding on their turf. and practicing on the hallowed Loftus. Maybe that is why, no, yes that is why the cabinets at Newlands are empty. They have been robbed of players and silverware. Bulls will win the Currie Cup next year if they like it or not.

  • The_Fox - 2011-07-08 18:07

    Massive loss for WP. Again. Anyhow, I wish Sadie the best of luck and as they say, the game must go on. Thank God we didn't lose Juan de Jongh...

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-07-08 19:25

      Exactly @Foxie. Look at the bigger picture mate :) And it might get better still.....

  • brinjal - 2011-07-08 18:39

    Well that should silence all the Bull supporters (never going to happen) whom are always pointing the finger at the Sharks & every other team for buying players! Whats going on there in Tshwane?

      Cuzin - 2011-07-08 19:01

      That's what I was gonna say.

      TheWizard - 2011-07-11 08:28

      At least we shop @ home "Local is lekker" keep an eye on these players!! Development of local talent!!!

  • Chris - 2011-07-08 18:56

    So sad!!

  • coolio_101 - 2011-07-08 19:14

    Thats why they winning trophies... WITH HELP FROM WP!!!!!

  • Chuck Norris - 2011-07-08 19:16

    This is great news!! Well done Meyer and Co!!

  • Captain Jack - 2011-07-08 19:19

    I hear the Bulls will be playing in "Streeptruie" next season after the blew their budget to buy yet more WP/Stormers players. As it stands, it will work them out cheaper cause half their team will be kitted with a "Streeptrui" already. Now for all those brain dead Bulls supporters who always say WP sux, what now?

      Fasie - 2011-07-08 23:50

      @Captain Jack the brain surgeon Current Stormer team: Jantjies (Lions), Habana (Bulls), Fourie (Lions) Grant( Sharks), January (Lions) Dom Duane (Cheetahs) Louw (Sharks) Fondse (Bulls) Tiaan (Griekwas) Harris (Sharks) TRYING TO POACH BRUSSOUW, HOUGAARD etc So loop le maar weer lekker kaal op jou sussie, sy wil weer bietjie teel

      CliffB - 2011-07-10 08:10

      Fasie -Net soos meeste BB fans , vuilbek !!!

      TheWizard - 2011-07-11 08:29

      @Jack To much Jackl Daniels over the weekend???

  • JWP - 2011-07-08 19:24

    I just cannot believe that WP and the Stormers let these two future superstars sign for the lieflangs, its well documented that most stars originated from the Cape. Why can't the BBRU develop their own talent instead of poaching down south-Shame on you. To Allister and Co stop holding on has beens and introduce all the young talent and make them sign small value contracts if they want to play for WP, Stormers, that way they are all contracted to the Cape, Lets keep the talent in the Cape. You lot up north go and look for talent in Soweto.

      Chuck Norris - 2011-07-08 19:52

      Will you sing the same tune when (if) wp poaches Brussouw from the Vrystaat?

      Marcell - 2011-07-09 01:51

      You have all the talent but no cup.

  • WPStrm 4ever - 2011-07-08 19:57

    Another pair of young rugby stars blinded by empty promises and the big pay cheque. What these young guys need is people who can give them desent rugby advice and not agents who are working for their own pockets. I new when the rumour started that we will most probibly lose Sadie but hoped that a clear mind would prevail, unfortunarely not. With "meisiekind" Olivier playing as his no 12 he will have to hope to see every 10th ball which Morne Steyn is passing(after he kicked the first 20 away) as Olivier has no idea that there is another player next to him.e just doesn't know how to pass a ball to no. 13. JJ Engelbrecht definately could not have been promissed more game time, because I can't see the bulls dropping "die spook" van der Heever or Basson to make space for him. He just need to go ask guys like Hayden Groepies, Dustin Jinka and others, (all moving north for "more game time") How many times they have seen the inside of the Loftus dressing rooms. More players making the same mistakes like Gaffie Du Toit, Conrad Hoffman(who left for Durban to ge more game time and haven't even played a full game in S15), Brent Russel who are not willing to wait their turn and then go and screw up their rugby careers in another province. Hopefully for them they will keep their quality while they are up in the North and realise that they will need to come back if they realy want to enjoy their rugby and live themselves out on the field of play.

      Mike@CapeT - 2011-07-08 20:31


      Cuzin - 2011-07-08 21:45

      So Mike dis dan waar dat jou Bulle nie kan wen sonder om spelers te koop nie. Se nou dankie WP, julle spelers is nie so sleg nie.

      Rob - 2011-07-08 21:47

      totally agree about JJ. i am not so sure that he is that good a wing. bit too slow and CC standard at best. sadie has lot of potential and pity he won't develop further at bulls. another stefan dippenaar buy for bulls. both too small and once he starts more frequently he will be shown up against the bigger physical centres. disagree about this being such a big coup.

      GraemeBB - 2011-07-08 23:42

      Good grief! THE DRAMA is killing me! Come now boys, I heard a big cheer all the way from here when it was mentioned that Brussouw will go to the Cape. The Bulls will develop these boys, and they will have a chance of making it in SA. With these kinds of purchaces, I can see a change in the game plan - to all those who cheered because the Bulls are losing players, and were going to "GO DOWN", think again. Go Bulls!!

  • Ken J May - 2011-07-08 22:38

    Why would anybody in their right mind want to join the Bulls?

      Fasie - 2011-07-08 23:04

      Because they are SA's most successful team ever. 3 Super trophies for instance.

      Chuck Norris - 2011-07-08 23:41

      Because their chances of making the Springbok team increases by 80%?

      Chuck Norris - 2011-07-08 23:42

      OR is it 99.9%?

      GraemeBB - 2011-07-08 23:43

      And, Pretoria is an awsome place, with great people. Dont believe everything you read here!

      Luckybugger - 2011-07-09 00:41

      Any player wanting to take their game to the next level knows were to go, BBRU, you will find they take a pay cut in order to better their skills, furthermore they get to experience what it's like to be part of the only SA team capable of winning at the highest level. At Loftus the players that are fortunate enough to get a game at home know were they are playing, unlike at Newlands when the home side runs out to play they are not sure whether it's a home or away game due to their confused supporters. Then the Fish bowl home of the Sharks, where players just can't get to win when it matters most, the only reason the spectators go to the Fish Bowl is to go on the piss and burn some meat after the game, and were a Shark supporter with a bottle of champagne in his hand is called "waiter". In the Free State again that is where a lot of players start out, and if they have potential they move on, and if they are fortunate enough they get to play for the Bulls one day, as for the Free State supporters they are not sure whether they are at a motorcycle event or or a rugby game. Ellis Park is where a lot of players go to retire and are paid from the proceeds of ill gotten gains (BEEEE) their follower go to Ellis Park for the lack of anything else to do. Then the minnows like the Watson family and their band of thugs (EP),the Pumas,the Leopards and so on are not even worth a mention. Why would anyone want to support or play zany other union than the BBRU.

  • Jack Turner - 2011-07-08 23:56

    Mike please dont talk "Sh#t...Northern Transvall became a Union in 1938...and they won the Curry Cup for the first time in 1946....Since then they have won ( Not 100% sure) the Curry Cup 23 times...Streaks ahead of all the other Unions.

      flat bier - 2011-07-09 05:08

      Jack , jy ken nie jou rugby nie chom, delete liewers jou comment....

      apbeukes - 2011-07-11 16:04 Flat Bier.....gaan lees bietjie

  • Kleinboet - 2011-07-09 00:17

    Way I see it, these two guys realised that they are not the first choice players for the Stormers/WP - not yet anyhow, and moved on. If it was me, I would have stayed and worked on it to become the best; but these guys apparently do not believe sufficiently in their own abilities to have the confidence that they can make it down here. Hope I am wrong and that they can lift Bulls rugby to a state where it will become competitive again. Afterall, this is the professional era and players must feel free to waste their talent if they want to. We will not miss them, not really, as we have excellent players in those positions. Would have been nice if they had stayed, but what we really need is to buy some players in positions where their is a shortage of talent. With these two guys gone, there is place for other local youngsters to take their places. Maybe a really great talent or two will crop up …

      Marcell - 2011-07-09 02:11

      Jy is verward. Jy praat van bly en verbeter. Hoe verbeter jy as jy nie eens kans kry om te speel nie? Die Chokers van Crusader Park is besig om agter Ebersohn aan te loop. So, wat beteken dit vir die jong talent wat nou na vore moes kom? Dis die probleem met Choker rugby. Hulle het die talent maar weet nie hoe om dit aan te wend nie. Kom ons gaan so paar jaar terug na Derrick Houghaardt. Julle het nie geweet waarmee julle sit nie. Nadat hy julle uit die bekers uit geskop het toe gaan julle oe oop. Dit lyk my dis 'n uitgemaakte saak dat die Ebersohn's ook Chokers gaan word. Wat vertel dit vir die ander opkomende losskakels? Die ander vraag wat ook nog beantwoord moet word is of die twee Ebersohn's nog steeds goed gaan wees as hulle nie saam speel nie? Een ding wat Heineke weet is hoe om die beste uit sy jong spelers te kry. Iets wat die ander moet leer. Gaan die Chokers volgendw keer hul rotasie program beter toepas of gaan dit weer net op niks uitloop? Om die S 15 te wen moet jy jou rotasie toepas anders sit jy met beserings.

      Kleinboet - 2011-07-09 15:06

      Marcell, jy sê die Chokers gaan die Ebersohns ook koop? Bo en behalwe Sadie en Engelbrecht? Wat gaan met julle aan, man, het julle mal geraak? Julle het mos darem 'n paar agterspelers wat nie té vrot is nie, of hoe? En aangesien jy so begaan is oor jong talent, hoe is dit dat julle Chokers daar bo in Gauteng nie julle eie jong talent ontwikkel nie? Mens verbeter jouself deur jou teen die heel beste te meet en gby hulle te leer. As Sadie en Engelbrecht gebly het, sou hulle hope kans gekry het om te speel. Die enigste verskil is dat julle Chokers so arm is aan talent dat julle 'n jongeling wat nog baie moet leer sommer 'n plek in die beginspan aanbied!

  • Glennm - 2011-07-09 02:12

    WTF...What are those so management puppets doing at Newlands...why we losing our stars of the future. Or are those idiots sitting in positions where they should be just there for the money, girls and parties. Thats why I will say...SA Rugby right now sucks...its all about the money and the fame. No real heart in the sport in the sport anymore.

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  • flat bier - 2011-07-09 05:09

    Ha haha what a joke, you blue bulls have nothing good to say about any WP/Stormers players, but when you buy our 2nd choice youngsters you act like they are gods. Bulls = hypocrites. Wonder where the Bulls youngsters are? Answer: WP

  • Whoosa - 2011-07-09 06:33

    This a pretty good buy. It will be interisting to see how team selection wil go. I obviously believe that these 2 guys where promised some serious game time as part of their deals.But with watermeyer, Dippenaar Bason Vd Heever and WO who renewd his contract, it makes me wonder. I'm not gonna mention Jpretorius.Wont be surprised if we sell either watermeyer or dippenaar or maybe both. I mean hell, the sharks have to start looking at players to strenghten their midfield? In the end, pretty good buy, we need some fresh talent. Just one more thing, a bit surprised at how easely wp let sadie go, i mean JDV will probaply go play overseas again after wc? With JFourie pretty unjury prone and JDJ who wil do alot of service for the boks, Sadie would have been good backup!

  • Oukoos - 2011-07-09 09:14

    Die WP/Stormers se beleid is om aan hasbeens en near-hasbeens vas te klou en opwindende talent te laat gaan. Geen wonder ons is al 'n dekade bekerloos. Wat de @#$ kon Sadie en JJ anders doen? Sit en wag vir beter dae? As 'n stoere WP ondersteuner breek hierdie soort van dom besluite van WP bestuur my hart, maar thats life. Ek wens Johan en JJ alle voorspoed toe en ek voorspel dat hulle nog groot spore in SA rugby gaan trap.

  • Sharkie_Za - 2011-07-09 10:33

    Glad to see the young players moving to a franchise the will give them more gametime. I'm not a bulls supporter but wp are sticking with the toppies it seems :/

  • Sharkie_Za - 2011-07-09 10:38

    Sorry for the rudeness, i'm new to the blogging world :p so here is my hello to you all.

  • Nfusitjie - 2011-07-09 13:24

    gr8 news! Cant believe the WP let these young guns go

  • Carl Muller - 2011-07-09 13:54

    They will become Springboks in the Bulls camp....

  • Justin - 2011-07-09 15:22

    Dont worry, at least the Stormers B side will be a bit more competitive next season!

  • Shane - 2011-07-10 05:42

    Its okay Guys, we take the boys from cape town and turn them into men up here in PTA.See what happend to all the so called WP players when they came to the bulls?they became springboks!!!Heineke Meyer Good spotting!!!!!

  • CliffB - 2011-07-10 08:04

    JohnnyBB: Check what I said you Idiot - BULLBARIANS !!!!

  • Wernsie - 2011-07-11 09:31

    Bulls doesn't have talent.... That's why they have to buy the second best options from WP....

  • Wernsie - 2011-07-11 09:39

    If WP buy someone they are called the Barbarians and they have no talent coming through.... If the Bulls buy secons string WP players then nothing is mentioned.... Interesting.... I wonder who doesn't have have any talent coming through now??? They;re only going to the Bulls to have shorter seasons as the Bulls doesn't even make semi finals....

  • jk - 2011-07-11 09:41

    where there is smoke...

  • jk - 2011-07-11 09:42

    ok, so nlet them go and chase balls that steyn kicks down field all the time...

  • Stormsaam! - 2011-07-11 13:45

    So sick and tired of Province not keeping the young talent! We will probably try to buy them back when they are 30 and past their peak, read Bryan Habana! Bad decisions made in the halls of Newlands has cost WP more than just money over the last 15 years, it's cost us cups and took us from being the greatest union of the 80's to winning only 3 currie cups over the last 20 years!! Who's taking responsibility for these dry years? Players? Coaches? They don't appoint or contract themselves, the fat cats in the big offices do! It's time these guys start taking some of the blame for the poor performances over the last 2 decades. This is making me even more peeved after the lackluster performance from the Cape boys - read boys and not men - in the Semi-final. Seriously starting to doubt my loyalty toward the disa!

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