Bulls have 'new' dimension

2011-07-28 08:37

Cape Town - Western Province's backline coach Robbie Fleck believes the Bulls have added a different dimension to their game since Pine Pienaar started coaching them.

Apart from dominating their opponents physically and dictating play via clever tactical kicking, Fleck believes they are now also more potent on attack and he can clearly see Pienaar's influence on their play.

He still expects the Bulls to use the massive boots of flyhalf Francois Brummer and fullback Jurgen Visser and for them to try and dominate up front, but he expects them to also be more of an attacking threat than in the past.

"Pine Pienaar has brought an attacking aspect to their game, which, according to me should have happened year's ago," Fleck told Marco Botha from Die Burger.

"Thus we would not only need to be tactically sharp, but we will also need to build on our good defensive record of the last two weeks." (against Griquas and the Leopards)

But Fleck is confident that his young charges could withstand the attacking onslaught from the Bulls.

"We have a bunch of young players that are eager to learn and want to try new things as quickly as possible. That's partly why we defend so well, but it's also why we have a centre combination like Tim Whitehead and Johann Sadie that combines well. They learn form Bok centres that have played over 60 Tests."


Western Province:

Blue Bulls: 15 Jurgen Visser, 14 Akona Ndungane, 13 Stephan Dippenaar, 12 Stefan Watermeyer, 11 Gerhard van den Heever, 10 Francois Brummer, 9 Dustin Jinka, 8 Gerrit-Jan van Velze, 7 Dewald Potgieter, 6 Derick Kuün, 5 Juandré Kruger, 4 Fudge Mabeta, 3 Rossouw de Klerk, 2 Gary Botha (captain), 1 Corné Fourie

Substitutes: 16 Willie Wepener, 17 Frik Kirsten, 18 Warwick Tecklenburg, 19 CJ Stander, 20 Lohan Jacobs, 21 Marnitz Boshoff,  22 Francois Venter


  • Bulldozer - 2011-07-28 08:41

    Fleckie is right (For a change). We've got the new Rolls Royce of fullbacks at #15.

      BokBru - 2011-07-28 08:45

      You said the same about Wynand Olivier at centre.

      docraven - 2011-07-28 08:47

      and the same about Stegman.

      gooinat - 2011-07-28 08:51

      What about Jinka,I hear he jinks himself now and again.

      Tools1 - 2011-07-28 08:54

      So n bek moet Jem kry!! Listen to these key words Fleckie used to descibe one of the best profincial franchises in the world. DOMINATING, DIFFERENT DIMENSION, THREAT, ONSLAUGHT,DICTATING,TACTICAL, POTENT, INFLUENCE, SHARP.!!!!!!!!! I saw fleckie having a dop at Wakami in Cape Town. Looks a worried man!!!!!

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-28 08:58

      Now why would I say that Olivier, Stegmann and Jinka are the Rolls Royce 's of fullbacks? I don't think anyone of them have ever played fullback. You lot don't know much, do you?

      docraven - 2011-07-28 09:05

      You go Bulldozer.LOL

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-07-28 09:17

      @Lloyd - you have a Capetonian at fullback......(funny that....)

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-28 09:20

      A discarded Capetonian, SAFFA.

      jk - 2011-07-28 09:26

      saffa- and half of paul roos

      BLOODY AGENT - 2011-07-28 09:30

      Good Morning everybody exept Sparky,trust you had a wonderfull evening @Bulldozer,this is going to be a tough game and the Bulls must make sure that they do not play catch up rugby,it will not be as easy as in the Freestate game to claw their way back.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-07-28 09:33

      @jk - yup, the Bulls enjoy the end of season 'sales' at Paul Roos, Paarl Gym and Boys High. (and then of course Grey Bloem....) For all their 'trash-talk", their 'so called "rugby" schools up north suck in terms of talent.

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-28 09:40

      AGENT, I agree. I don't expect too much. I just hope there are no reffereeing issues, either side.

      BlueRaven - 2011-07-28 09:40

      SAFFA at least the Bulls buys young upcoming talent, unlike the WP who buys "stars". Don't worry the young boys are being treated very well up here and the Bulls will turn them into stars :)

      jk - 2011-07-28 09:42

      saffa- thats my point all the time, what happens to the affies- boys high, monument waterkloof boys??

      BLOODY AGENT - 2011-07-28 09:46

      jk ,they end up in Durban ,Freestate,France and Sarracens

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-07-28 09:52

      @Lloyd - You have to treat them well up there, the only way to keep them. @jk - Earlier this year there was quite a bit of media coverage about the impoverished (but talented rugga playing) young kids moving up north from down here on "scholarships" - the Pretoria parents from the top schools were whinging like hell about it, because their kids are pushed aside for the Cape youngsters - and that's at school level already! Even the Tuks Varsity Cup team has more Capies in it than homegrown 'talent'. I think the Bulls Union don't even bother looking at the PTA kids. @Alwyn - Hello daar. How gaan dit in Warmbad se wereld.

      BLOODY AGENT - 2011-07-28 09:55

      SAFFA,quite warm,nice and Sunny,thanks for asking, just hope this weekend the best team wins at Newlands and of course the Boks to suprise us all and show a bit of the pride that were lacking last week

      BlueRaven - 2011-07-28 09:56

      Ps. As far as the schools up North having no talent,how do you explain the School Rugby rankings? 1. Grey College (Freestate) 2. Affies (Gauteng) 3. Selborne College (EasternCape) 4. Noord-Kaap (Northern Cape aka Griquas) 5. King Edward School VII (KES) (Gauteng) 6. Paarl Boys High (Boishaai) (Western Cape) 7. Hoërskool Monument (Monnas) (Gauteng) 8. Waterkloof (Klofies) (Gauteng) 9. Dale College (Eastern Cape) 10. Queens College (Eastern Cape)

      jk - 2011-07-28 09:59

      saffa- we talk the same taal. i tuks has been sooo bad in the vasity cup(not 2011), and even in varsity games against maties. i think maties is leading by 12 intervarsities, elkgeval, the whole pretoria setup is a joke. dont know in heyneke will have a different approach?

      Rob van den Heuvel - 2011-07-28 10:05

      Bulls will do well if they play the same as they did in the 2nd half against OFS last week, what ever PP said at the half time break inspired the lads. Either way, it's gonna be a good contest.

      BLOODY AGENT - 2011-07-28 10:06

      jk,i tuks?, vasity?, Heyneke with a cpital "H"

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-07-28 10:21

      @Lloyd - please tell me how many players from Affies, Waterkloof and Pretoria Boys are currently playing in the Bulls Currie Cup team? Watermeyer and?????? Those rankings, mean very little in terms of individual talent... @jk - Heyneke is the man who started the Cape player gold rush shopping spree years ago (2000 and 2001) - and it hasn't stopped. With him now back in the Director of rugby berth up north - we will be losing players at an alarming rate once more. I suppose all is fair in professional rugby - BUT: the Bulls must be careful of alienating their "own" young players (the born and bred Pretorianers....) @Alwyn - ek gaan Nuweland toe, ek geniet die Currie Cup met al die jong en 'upcoming' spelers - en die Bokke - The result doesn't worry me, but the attitude of the players is what I will be interested in.

      jk - 2011-07-28 10:23

      saffa sien jou by o'hagans vir n dop saterdag

      BlueRaven - 2011-07-28 10:29

      SAFFA No talent up north you said??? Still no reply to the School Rugby Rankings? Thought as much LOL Lekker dag Saffa-Cat :)

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-07-28 10:33

      @Blueraven - Elo. To be honest, our school sides down here aren't the best we have had in recent years. (Ernstig). The Craven Week results attest to that. We usually have 3 teams in the Top 10 year in, year out. Paul Roos had the most players in our Craven week team this year - yet they have lost quite a few games. I think even the mighty Cape schools are entitled to an OFF year every now and again :) @jk - see u there. - No rain forecast for Saturday at least.....nice and dry conditions (cloud, but no rain - I hope)

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-28 10:38

      SAFFA, I'm not BlueRaven.

      jk - 2011-07-28 10:40

      saffa- will be there at 15:30, will look the same as in my pic. we have to pull up in great numbers

      BlueRaven - 2011-07-28 10:53

      Morning Saffa, then you will concede that even the mighty Bulls are entitled to an off year :) Good luck for Saturday, think it will be a good game of rugby, may the best team win. Go Bulls!

      jk - 2011-07-28 11:00

      raven, i must say, between you and bulldozer, you went to the better school. why did your parents choose to send you to the police college fort the disadvantage?

      BlueRaven - 2011-07-28 11:06

      jk I see Khanyisa School in Plumstead could not help you much... shame :)

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-07-28 11:14

      @lloyd - I was talking to blueraven - he asked me the question, so I answered him.

      Blouste-Blou - 2011-07-28 11:17

      SAFFA-CAT, jy vra wie buiten Watermeyer het in Pretoria skool gegaan, wat nou kontrakte by die Bulle het: Gary Bota, Francois Brummer, Fourie du Preez, Dean Greyling, Derick Kuun, Wynand Olivier, Chiliboy Ralepele, Pierre Spies, Gerhard vd Heever, Ruan Snyman, Gerrit-J v Velze (as ek sommer so vinnig aan name moet dink)

      René Müller - 2011-07-28 11:18

      Saffa, the rankings are as it stands NOW. The boys are still in school, geez, give 'em time. In other words, the future of Bulls rugby is looking very very bright indeed!

      jk - 2011-07-28 11:30

      raven- plumstead not on my garmin...

      BlueRaven - 2011-07-28 12:04

      jk You don't know how to use a garmin, that is why your parents let you use the bus

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-28 12:08

      SAFFA, on 2 occasions did you start your answers with 'Lloyd'.

      Drone - 2011-07-28 12:50

      @SAFFA- CC players from pta schools Fourie, Botha, Brummer, Snyman, Watermeyer all from waterkloof Mabetha from Boys High Kuun, Van Velze, Kirsten, Kruger, all from Affies thats 12 players off the top of my head from pta schools I think you will find that not many other unions has more than that and there goes your whole little argument right out the window...

      BlueSperm - 2011-07-28 14:51

      Selfs ou Fleckie gooi al klaar die handoek in, hy hensop sommer voor die game. SAFFA, I really feel for you guys down South, another meaningless Currie Cup season for the WeePee, they will go home empty handed again, Shame!!!!

  • jk - 2011-07-28 08:44

    we need to keep the ball for long periods, and we HAVE to make the right decisions. This is a must win, i dont want to goto Loftus and chase a game.

      jk - 2011-07-28 08:45

      C'mom my sons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      WPBLIKSEM - 2011-07-28 09:11

      @jk - I agree, this is a MUST win and I'm confident that we'll take it. It's GONNA be TOUGH, but I think we'll have too much in the tank for the Boys from Pretoria. Now I would like to predict, after I have seen their team. WP by 7+ Go WP Go!!!!! Wen Provinsie(WP) groete aan ALMAL ingesluit die manne van die NOORDE!!!!!!

      BLOODY AGENT - 2011-07-28 09:47

      jk,? goto?

  • Chillipop - 2011-07-28 08:48

    @JK - the best feeling in the Super Rugby competition was when the Sharks beat them and of course, AT Loftus as well!!!! Consumed copious amounts of vino THAT day...LOL...

      jk - 2011-07-28 08:54

      we all did chillers...

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-28 09:55

      The highlight of any anti-Bulls supporter's season is to beat the Bulls. Sad but true.

      BlueRaven - 2011-07-28 10:04

      Chilli can you imagine how it felt to us Bulls supporters when the BULLS lifted the Super Trophy in 2007, 2009, 2010??? No, no you can't, because your team(s) have not won a Super Trophy yet :-)

      BlueRaven - 2011-07-28 10:10

      Ps. Us Bulls supporters don't need a second team to fall back on, in case our first choice team don't make it. So who is your preferred team, WP or the Sharks? lol

      kosie - 2011-07-28 13:46

      @ bulldozer, and the highlight of every anti freestate is to beat the freestaters and the highlight of every anti wp is to beat the wp and the highlight of every anti sharks is to beat the sharks. WTF man you're obviously not the sharpest pencil in the packet hey

  • jk - 2011-07-28 08:48

    n sakkie droee bokkoms en n samooooosa, n serp en n hoedjie met n rooi disa, my kussinkie is oorgetrek met springbok vel, ghoema ghoema klop my hart op nuweland........... prooooooovince, prooooooovince, proooooooovince, die currie cup kom in 2011, proooooovince!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      WPBLIKSEM - 2011-07-28 09:12

      Ek sing saam my vriend!!!! Proooooooooovince die Currie Cup kom BESLIS in 2011!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      jk - 2011-07-28 09:14

      eerste twee driee gedruk deur brok & wikus- dan stap sadie en jj deur vir die bonus punte!!!!!!!!!!

      jk - 2011-07-28 09:28

      tools- sad song... stick to nikita from elton john buddy...

      BLOODY AGENT - 2011-07-28 09:34

      Julle 3 is beslis nie die nuwe tennors nie,miskien kan julle dalk die 3 idiote genoem word Dozer en alle Bulle onersteuners kan julle moontlik uithelp om n meer gepaste naam vir die driemanskap van k-ksing te kry

      Oukoos - 2011-07-28 09:37

      JK, jy het die eerste 20 minute beskryf. Ek hoop net ons manne byt die laaste 60 minute vas!

      jk - 2011-07-28 09:44

      oukoos- glo meneer glo dat ons dit sal doen!!! PROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVINCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      BLOODY AGENT - 2011-07-28 09:49

      Brok en Wikus(Hoofletters jk)

      BlueRaven - 2011-07-28 11:20

      AGENT ek dink Doffel, Babbel en Bekkie is gepas

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-28 13:10

      Larry, Curly & Mo.

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  • Koos - 2011-07-28 09:27

    jk Ek is n Blou Bul maar ek hou van jou suiwer provinsialisme sonder beledigings Koos

      jk - 2011-07-28 09:46


      BLOODY AGENT - 2011-07-28 09:57

      jk -stoere,nie stoerre nie

      jk - 2011-07-28 10:09

      agent- is dit pouse by waterkloof laerskool, hoofletter, kleinletters. jy klink nes n verkrampte laerskool onderwyser, en rig jy die u/11b span ook af?

      BlueRaven - 2011-07-28 10:14

      Sonder beledigings? Koos jy is seker nuut op sport24 :-)

      jk - 2011-07-28 10:25

      koos, eks jou man as jy ware rugby wil praat. ek sal nooit eerste swartgallig raak nie. wp bo!!!!

  • Koos - 2011-07-28 09:30

    JK Ek is n Blou Bul maar ek hou van jou suiwer provisialisme sonder beledigings. Koos

  • trublu - 2011-07-28 09:42

    Ek se manne die eerste keer toe ek daai nuwe fullback van die bulle in aksie sien toe sien ek klas..ek het nog gewonner waar kom hulle aan die jurgen kerel...maar hou hom maar gerus dop....onverskrokke onder die gary owen en sy dartel lopies a la calla scholtz gaan nog menigte bul ondersteuners se harte laat warm klop. Ek dink ook die windgatgeit van Dewald is behoorlik uit hom geduik en kan hy weer die tipe rugby speel van so jaar of wat terug....manne met grootkoppe kan nou maar eenmaal nie goeie rugby speel nie...vra nou maar vir Habana en Malema. Bul groete. Sien julle op nuweland!

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-07-28 09:55

      @trublu - waar dink hy kom hy vandaan? Die Kaap natuurlik - en hy is reeds a hele tydjie in julle sisteme. Het Varsity cup vir 'julle' ook gespeel.

      BlueRaven - 2011-07-28 10:33

      SAFFA soos jy n tydjie gelede vir my gese het, dit is die professionele era.. Wanneer hy daai lig blou trui oor sy kop trek is hy n Blou Bul, maak nie saak van waar hy kom nie

      jk - 2011-07-28 11:23

      dis waar raven..

      Whoosa - 2011-07-28 11:59

      Jantjes,Habana, Fourie, Grant, v Aswegen, "Trajon" Vermeulen,Fondse,Blouw,Deon Fourie, Kolisi net n paar vinniges uit my vuis uit saffa. Asb moet nou nie vashaak op die ou wysie nie en tot op dieselfde vlak daal as sommige van my mede bloubulle met hulle 3 supercups en no cups for 10 years ding nie. Die game is profesioneel en dit gaan net al hoe erger word. U either fit in or you F- off :) Kom oor die koop ding en sommer jouself ook!

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-07-28 12:11

      Relax ouens....eish. I am one of the first to admit that players should go wherever they get a) game time b) money. Nothing wrong with baiting a little on a Thursday morning chaps - c'mon. :)

  • Witsand local - 2011-07-28 09:55

    Even though I'm a Province supporter I'm sick and tired of hearing "new dimension" to describe something. Seems like that's all these guys are talking about. New dimension. Bla bla bla.

      jk - 2011-07-28 10:10

      agree witsand, but you have to agree taht we have a new dimension...

      BLOODY AGENT - 2011-07-28 11:28

      jk-that maybe? or did you mean taht?

      jk - 2011-07-28 11:33

      agent- onderwyser- hoop om eendag die u/13b;s te coach

      BLOODY AGENT - 2011-07-28 11:42

      Ek sou graag wou ,maar eers is dit my doelwit om jou te help met jou agterstand in die algemene spel afdeling maar jy bring nie eintlik jou kant nie

      jk - 2011-07-28 11:50

      agent- ok, weet jy ooit watter kant die vaskop sak boet??

  • Jack Turner - 2011-07-28 10:16

    Just a point to mention.....Is it possible that the new (Hopefully) look Bulls "Play" of retaining possession, has come from their new coach.......

      jk - 2011-07-28 10:26

      he just try what others before him failed to do...thats actually one of the basics of rugby...

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-28 11:04

      Jk, like your parents failed with the basics of parenthood.

      Chillipop - 2011-07-28 11:08

      Bulldozer...why do you always get so personal Dude? It's not cool when everyone is talking sports here...makes me wonder how you were brought up!!! Clearly YOUR parents failed with the basics of parenthood "Lesson number 1 - must respect people that are more intelligent than me"...and so on and so on...and before you ask, no, I am not related to JK...and you seem to be with Ace - unless you are the same person...the latter seems more likely though (latter means the second suggestion in this case)...

      jk - 2011-07-28 11:12

      chilli-lol- dozer gaan dit nie snap nie... over his head-whooo

      Chillipop - 2011-07-28 11:29

      @ JK - his comments and views are so predictable...I bet you he will come back with some personal insult...they always do...

      BlueRaven - 2011-07-28 11:29

      Chilli what goes around comes around...

      jk - 2011-07-28 11:41

      raven- wat op dees aarde het jou comment met die prys van eiers uit te waai seun???

      BlueRaven - 2011-07-28 11:49

      Ps. Chilli from your comments on other articles one has to wonder about your upbringing as well...

      Chillipop - 2011-07-28 11:53

      My darling Raven....not once have I professed to have had the best upbringing...nor have I had something to say about other people's mothers and fathers on ANY of the, before you just randomly comment, check out the articles where I HAVE commented...

      BlueRaven - 2011-07-28 12:00

      I have sweetheart... thus my comment :)

      jk - 2011-07-28 12:12

      dis hoe hulle is chilli- laer as laag...

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-28 12:59

      Chilli ''Lesson number 1 - must respect people that are more intelligent than me''. I will do that when I come across someone like that.

  • Blouste-Blou - 2011-07-28 11:03

    Fleckie sê: "Pine Pienaar has brought an attacking aspect to their game, which, according to me should have happened year's ago,". Ekskuus my, maar wat maak hom die expert, sodat hy in die stoel sit om te kan sê wat die ander provinsies lankal behoort te doen?

      Chillipop - 2011-07-28 11:10

      Dont get so defensive...Robbie was actually paying Pine a compliment...

      jk - 2011-07-28 11:14

      blousteblou- hut ten minste internasionale rugby gespeel, n span gevat wat sa rugby domineer, hyt meer as genoeg amo

      Chillipop - 2011-07-28 11:28

      The last time I checked though Robbie must have SOME respect in the rugby fraternity, how else does he manage to pull in the money that he does at the Cape Town Tens tournament and turn it into one of the most sought after tournaments in SA....

      Whoosa - 2011-07-28 14:51

      Blou dit is nogal ironies wat Fleck se, aangesien die WP/stormers die span was wat die minste driee gedruk in die jaar se s15.

  • Koos - 2011-07-28 15:52

    Wie kan nog onthou hoe klink NOOOOOORD TRANSVAAAAAAAAAAL uit die paviljoen ?

  • Christian - 2011-07-28 16:30

    Saffa-Cat These are all the home-grown players from th Bulls' catchment area: Props: Dean Greyling (Affies), Frik Kirsten (Affies) Werner Kruger (Jeugland High School) Hookers: Chilliboy Ralepelle (Pretoria Boys' High) Gary Botha (Waterkloof High) Locks: Bakkies Botha (Middelburg THS), Victor Matfield (Pietersburg High) Loose Forwards: Derick Kuün (Affies), Gerrit-Jan van Velze (Affies), Danie Rossouw (Rob Ferreira High), Pierre Spies (Affies), Warwick John Tecklenburg (Uplands College) Scrumhalves: Ruan Snyman(Affies), Lohan Jacobs (Affies), Fourie Du Preez (Affies) Flyhalf: Francois Brummer (Waterkloof High) Centres: Wynand Olivier (Affies), Stefan Watermeyer (Waterkloof High) Wing: Gerhard Van den Heever (Affies) By the way 10 players are from Affies - across the road from Loftus! How many players in the WP-side come from schools in Cape Town? Is there a single school in Cape Town that has 10 old boys in the WP team?

      Christian - 2011-07-28 16:33

      the Bulls' - correction

      Kleinboet - 2011-07-28 17:45

      Ja, but, Christian, those 10 players were most likely bought in by Affies from all over the old Transvaal area when they finished primary school. Will you also tell us from which towns they originate - that is, where do their parents reside? Agreed, they played rugby for Affies during their high school years; but by then their talent was obvious - very much like the youngsters from impoverished communities in the Westren Cape SAFFAS-CAT mentioned elsewhere on these pages. It's your good right to buy and gloat, but do not try to impress me with the result of your purchases! It is still beter for the country as a whole to develop those in your immediate catchment area. (I resided up in Gauteng for 30 years and know how children from far away places are enticed with bursaries and free hostel accommodation to go to high profile schools in Pretoria! At one stage there were rumours of as many as 16 primary school head boys in one standard 6 (now grade 8) class.)

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