Bulls down but not out - Pine

2012-09-19 22:32

Pretoria - Blue Bulls coach Pine Pienaar believes his team has not yet reached the point of no return in this year's Currie Cup and they could still salvage their season.

"It is not nice lying last on the log and it is not acceptable for us, but we are six points behind the third and fourth side currently," Pienaar said.

The Bulls find themselves in an unusual position at the bottom of the log with four weeks left before the playoffs.

So far this season they could only manage two victories out of their six matches, but Pienaar believes they are just one victory away from turning the ship around.

They will get that opportunity this weekend when they host the Free State Cheetahs, who are in an equally desperate position - second to last on the log.

"So we know this weekend is an important one for us, it is the same for the Cheetahs, they are in the same boat as us," he said.

"We are one win away from getting that momentum back, but we know it is going to be a tough battle against the Cheetahs and we have to be spot-on over the weekend.

"We had soft moments in the last few games and against Griquas it was the first time we scored more than four tries."

The Bulls fell victim (49-34) to Griquas in Kimberley last weekend in a match that saw a total of 83 points being scored between the two sides.

But Pienaar said his charges' never-say-die attitude demonstrated that they had not raised the white flag.

"The guys fought back - at one stage we were 26-0 down and fought back to 29-22 with 30 minutes left in the game," Pienaar said.

"The commitment the guys showed there definitely shows their urgency to do well in the Currie Cup."

Pienaar made wholesale changes to his side on Wednesday and will be buoyed by the return of scrumhalf Jano Vermaak and flanker Jacques Potgieter from the Springbok squad.

Vermaak replaces Rudy Paige, who moves out of the match 22 altogether, while Potgieter will form part of a new loose trio combination that also includes Arno Botha, who returns from injury.

Potgieter replaces CJ Stander, who moves to the bench while Botha comes in for Warwick Tecklenburg.

The Bulls mentor made two more injury-forced changes to his forward pack, with lock Franco Mostert taking the place of Grant Hattingh and Morne Mellet moving into the starting XV for Dawie Steyn.

Pienaar further tinkered with his backline by shifting JJ Engelbrecht to outside centre in the place of Ulrich Beyers.

Engelbrecht’s vacant position on the wing is filled by Sampie Mastriet.


Blue Bulls:

15 Jürgen Visser, 14 Akona Ndungane, 13 JJ Engelbrecht, 12 Francois Venter, 11 Sampie Mastriet, 10 Louis Fouchè, 9 Jano Vermaak, 8 Arno Botha, 7 Jacques Potgieter, 6 Dewald Potgieter (captain), 5 Franco Mostert, 4 Wilhelm Steenkamp, 3 Werner Kruger, 2 Willie Wepener, 1 Mornè Mellett

Substitutes: 16 Bongi Mbonambi, 17 Frik Kirsten, 18 Cornell Hess, 19 CJ Stander, 20 Ruan Snyman, 21 Lionel Cronjè, 22 Ulrich Beyers

Free State Cheetahs:

15 Hennie Daniller, 14 Nico Scheepers, 13 Robert Ebersohn (captain), 12 Raymond Rhule, 11 Rayno Benjamin, 10 Tewis de Bruyn, 9 Sarel Pretorius, 8 Philip van der Walt, 7 Lappies Labuschagn, 6 Heinrich Brüssow, 5 Izak van der Westhuizen, 4 Francois Uys, 3 Ross Geldenhuys, 2 Hercu Liebenberg, 1 Marcel van der Merwe.

Substitutes: 16 Elandre Huggett, 17 Coenie Oosthuizen, 18 Carl Wegner, 19 Hendro Scholtz, 20 Sias Ebersohn, 21 Philip Snyman, 22 Andries Strauss.


  • real.sadie - 2012-09-19 22:41

    And we all know and agree that it's the Bulls 3rd team playing anyway, so quite a boring CC. Regardless what happens to our 3rd team this season though, I just get immense pleasure of knowing that my team (even 3rd team) will never ever go 11yr cupless. I don't think any sports team in history has been that pathetic ever

      liesure.larry - 2012-09-19 22:52

      Give that man a Pie... look how hart-broken he look...

      matt.wernich - 2012-09-19 23:38


      seanread.crisp - 2012-09-20 07:54

      Wow are a real dick! Your mother must be so proud of the son she's raised

      anton.vonvielig - 2012-09-20 11:39

      sean, jy lyk ook nie te fresh nie snotkop, seker n' weeshuis kind jy

      lean.sadie - 2012-09-20 13:24

      Sean don't even call him Sadie, he just impersonates people, because he has no real name of his own, or his own mind. Just a low life loser.

      jeremymarco.maarman - 2012-09-21 09:49

      Wag so bietjie. Mis ek hier iets of wat? Saterdag na Saterdag moet ons hoor dat die Bokke nie net Bul spelers in het nie, maar nou skielik hoor ek dat die huidige Bul span hul 3de span is. Nou waar is die Aspan dan as jule almal sê hule nie in die Bok span is nie, en hulle ook nie in die huidige Bul span is nie?

  • real.sadie - 2012-09-19 22:44

    Gelukkig sal my Boele, wie se 3de span tans in die CC speel nooit ooit ons Kaapse maatjies se trotse rekord van die laaste 10 jaar kan ewenaar nie. Daai rekord staan vir ewig

      blou.johnny - 2012-09-19 23:35

      ......yip, Currie cups... ..11 years.. Super cups... ..17 years... !! ...its a disgrase..!! ..Eishhh.!! ....ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ..!!

      lean.sadie - 2012-09-20 00:34

      Poor oke.

      paul.sdoow - 2012-09-20 01:25

      and we will never match your bulls record of losing every game for the entire super cup season!

      Generaal1 - 2012-09-20 06:22

      @Daan, die Bulle het in 2010 die Super 14 gewen, so as die Bulle so aan gaan soos nou gaan hulle 2jaar niks wen nie.

      BlouMasjien1 - 2012-09-20 07:29

      @daanleroux -Mathematics is not your forte, hey?

      ReneMuller.XOXO - 2012-09-20 07:39

      @paul, not a proud record though, however my team made up for that 3 fold. At least no one can accuse us of being CHOKERS though.

      ReneMuller.XOXO - 2012-09-20 08:17

      @paul, you will also never match our Bulls record of winning the trophy 3 times. You know you guys keep on going on about 'ITS THE YEAR 2012' - bla bla bla (when we refer to our trophies), as long as you remind us of our failures, we will keep on reminding you of our SUCCESSES! Deal???

      heinrich.niemann.5 - 2012-09-20 10:57

      @Sadie - Ja, net soos die rekord sal staan as die Bulls einde van die seisoen na die CC B liga toe skuif. Eina.

      stirrer.stirrer - 2012-09-20 11:03

      René, you are correct. The Bulls will never be chokers. In order to choke, you must at least reach the semi's. Oh, sorry, they will get a golden opportunity to choke in the promotion/relegation game.

      ReneMuller.XOXO - 2012-09-20 11:11

      @stirrer, ek sien jy alweer jou 'jungle jokes' vir breakfast gehad!! 3 beker vs 0 bekers. Being 'mediocre' is not in the Bulls vocabulary (either totally pafetiek or uber fantastic)

      anton.vonvielig - 2012-09-20 11:44

      Rene, ignoreer die stirrer aap, hy soek net aandag. en jy is reg, dit was moer lekker toe ons span daai poofters getrap het in die super final, al wat hulle oor kan spog is 42 - 6 teen n' bulls c-span wat n' dom coach het, shame maar pateties

      stirrer.stirrer - 2012-09-20 11:44

      Aha! Uiteindelik 'n Bull supporter wat kan tel! WP/Stormers 3 bekers (2xConference, 1xVodacom), Bulls 0. Ek hoor jou oor die "totally pafetiek". Moenie worry nie, oor 11 jaar of so sal die Bulls seker weer beter doen.

      ReneMuller.XOXO - 2012-09-20 12:44

      @stirrer, ek weet julle is totaal desperaat daar in die Kaap wat bekers aanbetref, maar ons praat van rerige bekers (nie 'n troos prys beker nie) Al wat daardie beker beteken is jy het die toetsies geslaag maar die eksamen gedruip. Eish. Tough to be a WP supporter. Vodacom cup, seriously??? OK cool, ons het die Varsity Cup - Die suid weste wind lyk my het nou die 'grey matter' heeltemal deurmekaar.

      ReneMuller.XOXO - 2012-09-20 12:46

      @anton, they make it so easy - cheap entertainment!!! Their comments SMACKS of desperation

      william.chestnut.33 - 2012-09-20 16:18

      @paul.sdoow You've already matched it in 1997 when you coudln't qualify to play in the competition, that's correct, too pathetic to even play in the competition. Now that's quite a record for you (on top of 17yr cupless in Super rugby history)

      frans.visserdsb - 2012-09-20 22:27

      so, real.sadie... Your third team? really? so where are your first team and your second team players? that is 44 players missing according to you... or at least 30... i would think that players like Jacques Potgieter, Janno Vermaak, CJ, etc. would be slightly peeved if you called them third team players...

  • julius.malememba - 2012-09-19 22:54

    Pine en Frans Ludeke eet blykbaar pies by dieslfde winkel ... en sluk dit met genoeg bier af ... miskien moet ou Pine weer so bietjie rugby speel sodat hy kan ervaar hoe rugby werk want hy kan dit duidelik nie afrig nie ...

      matt.wernich - 2012-09-19 23:47

      Give this man a Bells

  • rinus.groeneveld.7 - 2012-09-19 23:12

    Yes Pine, YOU are down and out! Please go!

      blou.johnny - 2012-09-19 23:41

      ..yip.... ....Pine Pienaar a failure... ...please go...!! ..

      Generaal1 - 2012-09-20 06:32

      Net n wonderwerk kan Pine nou red.

      ReneMuller.XOXO - 2012-09-20 07:44

      @rinus, I think if Pine could get the necessary supporting staff, he will do great. I blame management for not filling all those 'empty positions' in time. I think Barend van Graan got the message loud & clear after a severe bombardment from unhappy supporters. At the end of the day, this mess must be fixed, the sooner, the better!

      Generaal1 - 2012-09-20 08:13

      @ Rene, Ek stem 100% saam

      BlouMasjien1 - 2012-09-20 08:19

      You simply cannot afford to play Rugby in the professional era wihtout the necessary supporting staff. Time for management to wake up and smell the coffee!

      TravieGrif - 2012-09-20 16:25

      Do you guys think Pine is a good coach? It really is an honest question, as I have not been following him that much. I have seen a few interviews, and wasn't that impressed, but we can all have bad moments?

      ReneMuller.XOXO - 2012-09-20 16:40

      @Travie, tough question! Going back to the HM early days (losing everything), it was horrible, now we all know how it ended! Pine is (at the moment) an 'up/down' type of coach - he has a very good record (Free-State ranks), will withhold any negative comments for now. He has his back against the wall, lets wait and see how he handles it.

  • hengelbrecht - 2012-09-20 07:19

    Welkom Sous! Time to shine!

  • andtowns - 2012-09-20 07:54

    Yes Pine Poephol, you just live in denial then!!!

  • jed.vonallemann - 2012-09-20 08:07

    The Ship is sinking at a Rapid rate.

      anton.vonvielig - 2012-09-20 11:51

      soos die wp se skip wat jaar na jaar sink

  • jaco.smith.902 - 2012-09-20 08:26

    Potgieter in for Stander??? Stupid is, stupid does...

  • ockie.barnard.9 - 2012-09-20 08:40

    It must be painful to be a Bulls supporter now. I feel for you guys being a Lions supporter. However ... excuses of a 3rd team will not stick. The way I see this: If team A pay an average of 1million per player on salaries (nevermind if it is the so called 3rd team) and team B pay an average of R500.000 per player. You would still expect the higher paid team to win, won't you?

      anton.vonvielig - 2012-09-20 11:53

      ockie, nie met n' idioot as afrigter nie

  • stuartanthony.rousseau.9 - 2012-09-20 09:53

    ag everybody is playing their 3rd team. really? thats the excuse....

      william.chestnut.33 - 2012-09-20 16:19

      Shut up haaslip

  • Eddie.Minora - 2012-09-20 16:31

    down down down under the log!!! hahahaha

  • - 2012-09-21 07:53

    Ja ou Pine, ek wens jy wil \out\ wees, maar jy klou soos n neet omdat jy weet jou rekord is so sleg dat nie eers die Kings jou sal wil he nie. Die beste sal wees as jy van beroep verander. En wat so ondenkbaar is, is dat Ludeke wat net so pateties is jou ondersteun. Julle maak allerhande verskonings oor jong spelers, beserings, ens. Alles waarmee elke ander span ook te doen het, maar le hulle laaste?

  • michael.verreynne - 2012-09-21 22:29

    Go Bulls! Hope you can escape the oven and finally join the others! But this time I am not going to watch the match. Every time I do, you lose. Not nice.

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