Bulls 'can' turn season around

2011-09-05 16:00

Cape Town - Blue Bulls coach Pine Pienaar is adamant that they can turn their Currie Cup season around, despite languishing in sixth position on the log.

The Bulls were outplayed by the Sharks at Loftus Versfeld on Saturday, losing 39-27. The men from Pretoria have now lost four of their eight games this season, including two home defeats - a rarity for a team so used to notching up win after win at their home fortress.

But despite their dire position on the log standings, the coach is nevertheless confident that they are still in with a shout in the competition.

“I believe the players we have are the right ones we need to turn the season around, we have the potential to do it,” Pienaar told the Beeld newspaper.

“On Saturday, we played against ourselves unfortunately. We made way too many errors and conceded too many penalties. If you fall behind early like we did (16-0 after 18 minutes), you start chasing the game and become too anxious.”

He did, however, admit that it won't be an easy road if they are to qualify for the knockout phases.

“It is almost knockout rugby for us from here on and we will have to win all our matches to get into the semi-finals.”


  • Gavin - 2011-09-05 16:08

    Just like the S15? Deja-vu maybe?? Wonder how that ended?

      Bulldozer - 2011-09-05 16:58

      They turned it around quite nicely after a torrid start to the season, only to lose their last game against the Sharks. A win would have ended in them qualifying for the playoffs.

      WPBLIKSEM - 2011-09-05 18:35

      Next Year Pine??? Cheetahs by 10+ (10 September 2011 at 17h00) WP by 15+ (17 September 2011 at 17h05) WP jou LEKKER DING

      Kleinboet - 2011-09-05 22:23

      Quite frankly I would hate it if we lose to the Blue Bulls on the 17th - something that can happen if we think we only have to arrive to bag the points for a win. Unlike my co-WP supporters I prefer to believe that the Blue Bulls always lift their game 100% when playing WP. Actually, the Blue Bulls have many Bokke in their team whilst we are a bunch of youngster rookies. I will be carefully optimistic and foster the believe that my team will win because they are all and sundry talented young men. If we do, then the Blue Bulls will have an uphill battle to qualify for anything. Free State Cheetahs are not half bad, and they will find Griquas quite a tough nut to crack.

  • bill - 2011-09-05 16:09

    poor old pine - he looks as dof as snorre - one scrum too many?

      Bulldozer - 2011-09-05 16:58

      One concussion too many.

      Andrew Griffiths - 2011-09-06 05:44


      Neilson - 2011-09-06 06:25

      I agree, saw it coming since I heard pine comes from the Free State, nothing wrong with the free staters, but their rugby game plan will never work for the Bulls. The Bulls is more used to a ten man game, using the forwards, and grinding out the win. Something Pine and his friends don't know that well.

      Bulldozer - 2011-09-06 07:18

      At long last. Thanks Neilson for agreeing with me. 80 Years of Blue Bull rugby all of a sudden not good enough anymore. Wtf?

      Jenny - 2011-09-06 10:45

      Lets not make excuses here, dont blame the coach. The answer is simple, the bulls are NOTHING without their springboks, this is just a taste of what the Bulls are going to get for the next couple of years. Get used to it Bulldozer, i will be thinking of you this weekend in your Blue Bull T-Shirt with your boep and your beer in your hand shouting and blaming the ref for everything while the bulls get crushed.

  • jk - 2011-09-05 16:10

    what??? turning it around in 10 years would be a miricale!!! impossible, let jk tell you that pine!

      BlueRaven - 2011-09-05 16:26

      jk we are talking about the Bulls here not WP, see you are confused again.

  • Sbuda - 2011-09-05 16:12

    You've been playing catch up since the first game Pine

      jk - 2011-09-05 16:15

      and it aint stopping baby!!

      jk - 2011-09-05 16:16

      catchup since end of super 14 2010...

  • jk - 2011-09-05 16:14

    hyneke is just as good as his work force...pine's pedigree just not there...

      Kaapie - 2011-09-05 21:15

      Yah but Heyneke is the Director, where is his sucession planning, or is this the result of the lack of his planning..

  • htiek - 2011-09-05 16:16

    it's going to be a rough few years for the Bulls - as a Bulls supporter I remember the lean times before the current Super and Currie cup rugby conquests...back to a building phase. Eish!

      jk - 2011-09-05 16:17

      years broer years!!

      Tools1 - 2011-09-05 16:25

      As long as its a few years and not 10 and counting......

      BlueRaven - 2011-09-05 16:28

      en as jy wakker word is jou koffie koud. Dis nie WP nie jk, die Bulle sal beslis nie 10 jaar vat om reg te kom nie, 2 jaar max.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-09-05 16:36

      @Tools1 - I don't think your 'rebuilding' is going to take as long as what you chaps might think. Let's be honest, there is still some serious experience within the Bulls setup......When Morne, Spies and Hougie get back, you still have about 11 Springboks in your S15 squad. A little 'light' in a few positions-yes, but from what I have seen of your U/21's and U/19's (who I think have only lost to WP this year), you chaps shouldn't have a problem. Leadership seems to be an issue, as is discipline - but I genuinely don't believe the Bulls will be down and out for years. It won't take Heyneke 5 years this time round....PS: the positive to be gained from going through tough times is: you get rid of the 'fake' supporters (the dudes that only love a winning team). Down here in the south, there are none of those "glory" supporters left....the last one disappeared in 2001 :)

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-09-05 16:40

      and Chili to come back to you chaps.

      Tools1 - 2011-09-05 16:42

      I hope you are right Saffa. I rate Hayneke and have read some of the senior Boks think he is the most important ingredient in many of their carreers. I just hope they dont try and reinvent the wheel with this new game plan, but do like the idea of an expansive Blue Bull team.

      BlueRaven - 2011-09-05 16:45

      Tools keep the faith man! Thank you Saffa, I agree with you 100%, the Bulls will be back, and it will be much sooner than people think.

      Marius Swart - 2011-09-05 23:18

      @Saffa - Cat.Stem nie altyd met jou saam nie maar hierdie een het jy reg.Ek was saterdag op loftus en sal bly gaan.Sharks was net te goed en ons senters moet net asb die bal pass want verdediging teen die bulle was maklik saterdag met ons senterpaar.

  • AA - 2011-09-05 16:21

    Perhaps they could push themselves to 5th place. Without their big guns there is no hope. Sorry guys, at last it seems that the Lions are going to take it this year.

      BlueRaven - 2011-09-05 16:52

      AA the Bulls are not looking good at all, but they are not all bad I have a lot of faith in them. I do not however think they will make it this year, I agree this is the Lions year. They are playing excellent rugby, so is WP, but I think the Lions will take it this year and I will not mind one bit if they do. Bulls Forever.

      AA - 2011-09-05 18:10

      @BlueRaven. The Bulls will always be strong and while they can be written off this year it will not be long before they are back again. I am happy to see the Lions doing so well this year, it has been a long wait for Lions fans.

  • jk - 2011-09-05 16:28

    my prediction is that the bulle wont turn it around before 2028...

      BlueRaven - 2011-09-05 16:29

      My prediction is that you will never come right... shame

      BlueSilver - 2011-09-05 16:55

      My prediction is that WP won't lift the CCup this year - or the next few years jk! This year the cup will go to the Lions!!

      Bulldozer - 2011-09-05 17:11

      Blue, om met jk te praat is soos om met om met n sak cement te praat. Ek dink actually die sak cement sal beter verstaan.

      Jack Turner - 2011-09-05 19:20

      At least a "Prick" like you wont be around by then........

  • Tiger - 2011-09-05 16:34

    They are good to turn around (and take it from behind)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Even the new coach noticed it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      BlueRaven - 2011-09-05 16:40

      Relaying your own experiences again Tiger?

      Tiger - 2011-09-05 16:57

      For once I complimented the Bulls because they have the annoying habit of turning A SEASON AROUND AND TAKING THE CUP FROM BEHIND. You have a sick brain my friend.

      BlueRaven - 2011-09-06 09:39

      Apologies in that case Tiger, but you have made very bad comments about the Bulls being pedophiles and what not in the past... So I assumed wrongly that this was one of those again. You can't really blame me, can you? Like that old saying goes.. you cry wolf ones too often.. Anyway thank you for the believe in my team, but realistically, they will not take the cup this year.

  • HP - 2011-09-05 16:40

    Go Bulls, Just play more positive and no errors. I know there can be chance that the bulls can turn around even that they weigh so heavy. Trap en stoot daai ander spanne weg kom julle

  • Chief Kok - 2011-09-05 16:42

    Is hierdie ou die nuwe Div?

      HP - 2011-09-05 16:46

      Ja daar moet darem iemand wees. anders het hulle nie .n kat se kaans nie om trug te draai nie..

      Bulldozer - 2011-09-05 17:28

      Pine sal nooit so awesome snor soos Snor hê nie.

  • Mark - 2011-09-05 16:45

    Only with a NZ coach that teaches Discipline and never playing again if Mark Lawrence is the referee.

  • Priester - 2011-09-05 16:46

    Pine the fire is not there! Let me rephrase: There are no goose bumps in the stomach!! (Thanks Mr. Ndungane!) Lack of discipline and a substandard backline, particularly WO and Zane, cost us the match. It is up to Pine to instill discipline, a proper game plan and provide opportunities for motivation to the players and ultimately the team. Currently I do think Pine is the weakest link as the players do have a proven ability to win any game. Having said this I am convinced my beloved Bulls will not require 10 years to get back to the top ala idiot jk. Blou Bul Groete!!

      HP - 2011-09-05 16:53

      Yeah thats I want to hear:)

  • Whoosa - 2011-09-05 16:59

    Patience boys patience, thats all. Fair enough we deserve were we are on the logg, but all in good time. Another 2 to 3 years and we will be back in the mix. At the moment we just dont have the skill or experience to be contenders. But there is enough talent in Visser, Francois Venter, Sadie, Engelbrecht, Hougaart, Arno Botha,Cj Stander, Chilli, Kruger and Greyling to be front runners again in the near future. All we need is to get rid of meisiekind and a new flyhalf, Morne is to 1 dimensional for cc rugby (maybe we should invest in one of Lionell cronje or Gary v Aswegen)

  • Casperghost - 2011-09-05 19:58

    Yes, the scoreboard counts. To play catchup rugby all the time will force you to make to many mistakes and at the end that was the Bulls downfall. It also looks if certain players that didn't make the WC squad is not playing to there full potential. Flip is to often giving away penalties. Wynand has lost it in total. Zane is trying but with Wynand at his inside it is not working. Our scrums were also bad. This is not the Bulls year so start giving some other youngsters a chance and start building for next year.

  • Jack - 2011-09-05 20:04

    it's obvious the Bulls are battling to get to grips with a new style of play. They are playing a far more expansive game, and much more ball in hand. This needs time to settle. The only place for that is in game time. By next season it should be fine. The biggest problem is how they lose control at the breakdowns - especially their ability to handle strong counter-rucking. This, I believe, is a general problem in SA, but is particularly acute at the bulls. Another problem: backline running lines, and getting into space. It will come, as we have seen with the Lions - they started in last year's CC and now it's coming together a year later.

  • Henry - 2011-09-05 23:01

    Get rid of Dewlad Potgieter , way to small for this league. He can rather do his Supersport column. Why is Marnus Schoeman at Griquas? No real fetcher since Stegmann is injured. Get a flyhalf. Province can get away with their 4th best. But all the No. 10's that was used at the Blue Bulls failed. Pine , I can see now why the Bulls appionted you. The rest knew what was coming.

  • Chris in Oz - 2011-09-05 23:22

    Of course they can. They still need to play the Leopards and the Pumas. They are guaranteed to win at least one of those games. So a further one, maybe two wins for the rest of the season. That will almost double their amount of victories for 2011.

  • ispeak - 2011-09-06 08:19

    It's a cynical world we live in, a few bad games (one bad season) and the judges are out on you. You can't win everything in life, there has to come times where a rebuilding phase has to come... yes true, the Bulls short-medium term plans are not on course. but their long term plan is, the amount of youngsters coming through the system is unbelievable...the fact that Western Province lost two of their "young guns" to the Bulls shows to me that Province is only set on what's now and what's not tomorrow. Look at the Lions, no disrespecting them, had they been in this situation the Bulls are in now everybody would have been "that's okay, maybe next year" but now the Bulls, everybody including their own supporters are writing them off for the next ten year... if you look at this squad (most probably) 15.Zane Kirchner, 14.Bjorn Basson, 13.Johan Sadie, 12.Wynand Olivier, 11.JJ Engelbrecht, 10.Morne Steyn, 9.Francios Hougaard, 8.Pierre Spies, 7.Dewald Potgieter (c), 6.Deon Stegmann, 5.Juandre Kruger, 4.Flip van der merwe, 3.Dean Greyling, 2.Chiliboy Rallepele, 1.Werner Kruger. a team that boasts 12 Springboks in the starting line-up, with a guy like Jano Vermaak to call upon in the game, guys such as Arno Botha (SA u-20) captain, Louis Fouche (showing tremendous skills) And yet, you write them off...those who do, will do it at their own peril. Bad season this year, yes...but for the future to come...I see great things again for this union.

  • pappavyf - 2011-09-06 08:57

    The Bulls just like WP must be strong for Springbok rugby to be strong. As Dr Danie Craven said " Die Disa en Barberton daisy moet blom vir Springbok rugby om sterk te wees" The Bulls will not turn this season around but they will be back next year. But not yet as strong as WP and the Sharks

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