Could Bulls, Lions combo work?

2012-01-31 22:30

Comment: Rob Houwing, Sport24 chief writer

Cape Town - Trivial fact for the day: if you combine the words “Bull” and “Lion” the happy medium seems to be “bullion”.

Considering that that happens also to be the term used to describe precious metals in bulk form, simultaneous images of prosperity do come to mind. (At least they did for me.)

But before I digress any further, the real point of this exercise is to contemplate an issue that tends to be either tiptoed around or simply considered utterly sacrilegious by many, “finish en klaar”... the possible amalgamation of the Bulls and Lions as a Super Rugby entity.

Hear me: I am not saying with any conviction at this stage that it is the right way to go; I am simply opening up an old taboo for slightly deeper thought.

Why? Well, a reshuffling of South Africa’s franchises in the southern hemisphere competition became a strong possibility from the moment SARU chief executive Jurie Roux put firmly on record - before massed media ranks at the announcement of Heyneke Meyer as Springbok coach on Friday - that the Southern Kings would indeed form part of the Super Rugby mix from 2013 onward.

So there’s no going back now, clearly, on an issue that has bubbled, often awkwardly, for some time: the Kings have a place at the table soon, like it or not.

Roux did stress that it was possible the Kings would simply become a sixth SA side in a reshuffled (again!) competition, although quite obviously that scenario would create a jarring imbalance in the current structure, comprising five-team conferences from all three of the giant SANZAR partnership nations.

But let’s assume agreement cannot be reached on any further swelling of the number of teams in Super Rugby, and the only option thus becomes squeezing the Eastern Cape-based side into the five-team local mix.

Early speculation, not unexpectedly, surrounds the possibility of a restoration of the “Cats” brand (even if not necessarily still in that name), merging the Lions with the Cheetahs - and let’s not forget that in the Laurie Mains coaching tenure they achieved semi-finalist status twice.

But those who recall the “heyday” of the partnership will also remember that it certainly wasn’t always that; true team unity was difficult, as you might expect from an unlikely geographical partnership separated by some 400 kilometres, and gates in both Johannesburg and Bloemfontein tended to be unremarkable even when the team was mostly winning.

The Cats also had some awfully lean seasons, and there was widespread relief when the Cheetahs and Lions became independent beings at Super Rugby level once more.

While it is true that the Lions won a watered-down Currie Cup last year, and commendably so after years of mostly heartbreak at Coca-Cola Park on all fronts, in Super Rugby heritage terms the Cheetahs probably have a greater right to unaltered solo existence - they have ended higher than the Lions for four of the last five campaigns.

The Free State also continues to be a major production line in young rugby talent, in the national interest, with Grey College regularly to the fore in that regard.

You would think then, with the Kings pushed, warts and all, through the door in 2013, the Lions will be the domestic franchise most endangered if South African presence is still curtailed to five teams from next year - their recent financial woes are also well documented, despite fighting talk to the contrary from their leading administrators.

Coca-Cola Park has never really embraced Super Rugby with any great relish, so against that backdrop would it really amount to treason or lunacy to suggest that perhaps the answer is to create some sort of Highveld “super franchise” embracing the Bulls as a senior partner (three times champions, after all) and the Lions as their only slightly more junior, depth-providing allies?

You could still pit these great, cross-Hennops rivals against each other in the Currie Cup, which would please traditionalists, but at a time of significant transition at Loftus, considering the simultaneous departure of various legendary players, being able to summon several gnarly Lions players and have others on standby as the extended Super Rugby season takes an injury and fatigue toll, doesn’t seem the daftest proposal in the world.

Or does it? Feel free to tell us your own thoughts, reservations or counter-proposals through the comments forum beneath.

Let’s face it, the rapid urban expansion of the Highveld in recent years means that in some respects Johannesburg and Pretoria are virtually linked at the hip anyway, and the high-speed Gautrain only brings the big metropolises, no more than 60km apart in map terms, closer together as well.

Quite clearly some deft marketing and the like would be required to make any rugby marriage of this kind viable - the Highveld Bulls in name, perhaps? - but you could aid the Super Rugby unification by scheduling a sprinkling of their home games at Coca-Cola Park.

Or, indeed, somewhere like Orlando Stadium (used successfully before by the Bulls, for the victorious 2010 final against the Stormers, and an experiment widely considered worthy of repeat) could serve as a bit of a symbolic “halfway house” compromise at times between Pretoria and Jo’burg.

I make no judgement: my thoughts are simply to open debate, because in the event that South Africa cannot field six Super Rugby teams, something - something pretty substantial - has clearly got to “give”, hasn’t it?

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  • Andre Burger - 2012-01-31 23:04

    Dude what did you smoke before writing this piece. Clearly you dont understand the strengh of the bulls brand, to ever think that would be jeopardised by this proud union. Not even mentioning the supporters backlash. It was daft to think it. Stupid to suggest it and utter lunacy to even contemplate it.

      Penny-wise - 2012-02-01 09:53

      In short, the answer to the question is: "NO". Combining the world class brand of the Blue Bulls/Bulls, with a bankrupt union like the Lions, is just a bad business idea to start with ...

      tony.delucchi - 2012-02-01 12:54

      ....remember Northern TVL only started in 1948....

  • Bulldozer - 2012-01-31 23:08

    Combining the pacesetters of world rugby with the Currie cup champs will just create an unfair advantage for the Bulls/Lions. If you want to accomodate the Kings, then get rid of the Stormers. They are an embarrasment to rugby.

      Willem - 2012-02-01 06:00

      Stop wearing your wife nickers they are affecting your brain

      Bulldozer - 2012-02-01 06:15

      Jislaaik Willem, awesome chirp my ou.

      uwe.klopfer - 2012-02-01 08:04

      Discard the stormers or merge them with the kind..both form part of the old cape province. And as far as I can tell out of all the super teams home grounds (including nelson mandela stadium in PE) newlands has the lowest capacity. In all the history of super rugby the lions (as old transvaal) and the bulls still remain the only teams to win it from south africa. And why should the kings be granted entry ? Top 5 currie cup finishers play in the next years super rugby. It is called DESERVING it. The kings can't even win the first division, nevermind get top 5 in the currie cup. The whole kings saga is political in nature, it has very little to do with rugby.

      ivan.coetzee2 - 2012-02-01 10:57

      Shove that comment where the sun doesn't shine you pathetic bulls supporter, I am sure the Bulls also consider you to be a liability to their fan base! Viva Stormers Viva!

      Bulldozer - 2012-02-01 13:36

      Thanks Ivan.

      Wimpie - 2012-02-02 14:59

      Pietie moet vir die klas se waar sy pa werk. Hy staan op en se: my pa is n eksotiese daanser in n gay bar, waar hy sy tools vir die manne swaai, en as die geld reg is laat hy hulle toe om hom te betas. Juffrou ruk hom uit die klas uit en vra of dit waar is. Pietie se saggies...nee juffrou...hy speel rugby vir die bulls, maar ek was te skaam om dit te se.

  • Pieter - 2012-01-31 23:10

    Nee wat, die Bulls wen sommer die een koppie op die ander op hul eie

      Bulldozer - 2012-02-01 04:59

      Jy weet dit.

      uwe.klopfer - 2012-02-01 08:07

      Soos laas jaar ne ?... Darem het die bulle die DEKADE iets gewen... die platberg bokkies drink nog shampanje uit plastiek koppies :P Mag die Lions die hele kings debakel op sy kop draai met 'n goeie vertoning die jaar

  • michael.kazantjis - 2012-01-31 23:25

    The Bulls are a stand alone winning brand and they don't need the likes of the Lions to water them down. Why not merge the Stormers and the Kings instead. SARUMis after all trying to develop the plays and game in the Cape region. Why do it at the detriment of any region. Typical SARU doing everything back to front. Why not first negotiate with SANZAR to include a 6th team and then include the Kings.

      The-third - 2012-02-01 07:12

      What's BEST for South Africa is picking the best players for any national team. Winning inspires more kids to take up sport. Winning is an advertisement for our country. Winning gets the nation excited... not "what's the racial makeup of the team". I think you are stuck in an archaic mindset Sipho. I think you have little understanding of the affect sport has on people's psyche.

  • Graham - 2012-01-31 23:40

    Good article, makes perfect sense. Ellis Park is a dump.

      uwe.klopfer - 2012-02-01 08:12

      Pathetic article and your house is a dump. Ellis Park is still one of the greatest ruby stadiums in the world WITH a history few can beat. The surrounding area isn't Sandton or Centurion ill grant you that, but the stadium itself is of a world class quality. So think before you blab. And in all the years I have been going the to support the lions i have not had one single incident of theft, muggery of any kind.

  • Carelle Van der Merwe - 2012-01-31 23:46

    Are you crazy? Or just a bunch of retards? Whichever team gets kicked out if the super series' supporters will all vote All Blacks if this continues. If you screw your support you will feel the consequenses. 2 million new all blacks fan in south africa in 2013 I will ensure it...

  • Kobus - 2012-02-01 01:06

    Laat die laaste SA span speel @ die Kings. As die Kings met minder as 15 punte verloor, kan hulle in 2013 speel. Hulle kanse is zero, nul, f^kk^l. Hulle sal niks anders as 'n verleentheid wees vir SA rugby nie. Hulle sal nie eers 'n merk maak in die CC nie.

      Bulldozer - 2012-02-01 05:01

      Soos die Stormers/WP n verleentheid is.

      uwe.klopfer - 2012-02-01 08:16

      @Bulldozer... ek dink die Kings sal eintlik 'n groter verleentheid wees as die platberg bokkies, ek weet dis moeilik om te glo maar dink mooi daaroor...hulle is eintlik meer pateties, en elkgeval, ons is nou al gewoond aan die "pre-season" wenners met hulle groot monde... hoe sal ons die nog groter bekke van die Kings hanteer... nee wat. "rather the devil you know"

      Wimpie - 2012-02-02 15:01

      dis niks erger as die lions wat bedoel jy?

  • ryno.tiana - 2012-02-01 01:10

    Wat rook die tjomma wat dit nou skryf?!

  • Steve - 2012-02-01 01:21

    At this stage Lions and Bulls are like oil and water - Lions are a young side being groomed for greatness by using talent and cohesion to be an effective team unit. Bulls are a known power to be reckoned with. With a winning history and depth of players. Importantly. why would we consider a side that hasn't earned their stripes being placed ahead against teams that are earning respect through hard work (Lions) and coming back or teams that deserve respect for the achievements they've accomplished year on year (Bulls) ... Politically correct appointments of teams won't bring the fans or the money from the true rugby fans ,,, just saying ? As an aside - if they did join forces by some freak of nature ... how much of a klaap would they give the Kings anyway ? 90-100 points ?

      Pieter - 2012-02-01 02:35

      @Sipho When was a South African team in the previous era ever crap?? Stick to topics you know something about you idiot

      mabeeden - 2012-02-01 07:52

      Who the hell do I then support? Rugby as I know and enjoy will no longer exist for me. What do I do with my BLUE jersey??!

  • Simon Mohoalali - 2012-02-01 01:46

    logistically it makes sense, but logically is a wish/dream that will never come to live, why didn't u suggest stomers, kings combo? I would agree with you on that one without any doubt, because one thing we don't want to see happen in our rugby, is killing Bulls and Cheaters franchises, you know why I say Cheaters also because is where the talent of rugby in our country is being generated!

  • iserasmus - 2012-02-01 03:25

    If you want to combine the names, you could also do The Lols....

  • Dawie - 2012-02-01 05:15

    Not so far fetched as everyone thinks !!! This will give the Lions an opportunity to provide the Bulls (during their team building years) a huge amount of young talent and additional players of quality after all the old hasbeens left and secondly it would path the way for a possible merge between Frans Ludeke and John Mitchell which could be a deadly combination and thirdly, they were one Union before 1938 (something the Bulls hate admitting to when the discussions around who won the most of what is generally brought up) and going back to your old roots is not such a bad idea at this stage - It is only a Super Rugby arrangement !! Merge them and the Bulls could sit with a loose trio of note - (6) Derrick Minnie (7) Potgieter & (8) Josh Strauss (Captain) - a decent young fullback (15) Jaco Taute which could be also be a deadly combination with JJ Engelbrecht and Johan Sadie - Well reported Rob and as you pointed out its is merely speculation and no definate but still a bitter pill to swallow for the likes of old Beesblaas (Dozertjie) en friends - Bring it on quickly then there will at least be decent opposition again up North !!!! It will however not be in the Lions interest to merge !!!And o-yes use FNB Stadium as the HQ !!!!

      Bulldozer - 2012-02-01 05:24

      Ag nee wat. Al bitter pilletjie om te sluk is jou ou spannetjie wat nog nooit ooit n Super rugby cup gewen het nie. En ook nooit sal nie.

      Dawie - 2012-02-01 05:40

      Mag wees Dozer en verder mag jy reg wees maar die idee is nie bad nie -Dit kan net goed wees vir SA rugby !!! Ek raak bekommerd oor jou - jy redeneer nou baie meer soos n TLB as n Bulldozer - jy sal jou game na n hoer vlak toe moet vat my maat !!!

      Bulldozer - 2012-02-01 06:25

      My redenasie is eentonig maar tog gebasseer op feite. Ek sien jy support die Griekwas. Sterkte met die Vodacom cup.

      Dawie - 2012-02-01 07:11

      TLB - Korrek ek is n Griekwas man - Dankie vir die sterkte !!!

      uwe.klopfer - 2012-02-01 08:23

      @Dawie : ek herhaal myself hier vandag, maar ek dink die vorige jaar se currie beker moet die kwalifisering wees vir die volgende jaar se super rugby. top 5 speel super rugby en klaar. Die griekwas maak al hoe meer golwe in currie beker en wie weet binne die volgende2 tot 3 jaar is hulle top 5 en siedaar, julle hoer nie meer 2de viool vir bloemfontein te speel nie. Kimberley is vir geen span lekker om te gaan speel teen die griekwas nie. Julle ondersteuners getal groei en julle is besig om 'n werklike "fort" reputasie op te bou op julle tuisveld. Die sogenaamde troonsitters uit PE kan nie eers die 1ste divisie wen nie, hoe de donner gaan hulle 'n impak he op super rugby ? Ander spanne sal hulle c-span laat speel en steeds wegloop met 5 punte wen. dis idioties.

      Louis - 2012-02-01 10:53

      Dawie, ek is n Leeu supporter maar jy is nou besig om k#k te praat!!

      Dawie - 2012-02-01 13:52

      @Louis - Dag my maat en groete vir jou ook - sukkel jy met die lees gedeelte of wat ? Kan jy bietjie meer spesifiek wees in watter deel van my "comment" jou nie aanstaan nie dan sal dit duidelik raak of dit die moeite werd is om daaroor te redeneer !!

      Louis - 2012-02-01 16:01

      Dawie, wat van jou hele berig. Vra jy maar enige Leeu supporter wie is die grootste vyand en teen watse span kry ons die lekkerste as ons teen hulle wen ens ens, daar is net een antwoord. Nee wat, gelukkig sal dit nooit gebeur nie.

  • Joe De Beer - 2012-02-01 05:59

    RSA doesn't have the depth of players to support 6 teams, so conference expansion should not be an option. Put Kings in and let bottom S15 team drop out, introduce promotion relegation afterwards or decide that top 5 CC teams will contest S15 following year.

      Bulldozer - 2012-02-01 06:18

      I agree. At the moment we can only field 4 decent teams and the Stormers.

  • riaan.pieterse - 2012-02-01 06:31

    Hulle is mal man!

  • Paul Naiker - 2012-02-01 06:40

    This will be the END of civilization as we know it !!!!! Ha ha ha

  • Wikus - 2012-02-01 06:46

    Sounds like affirmative action.

  • The-third - 2012-02-01 07:08

    Nah Rob. I don't think there will be any bite whatsoever from the Bulls. They can rightly claim to be one of the world's biggest rugby franchises - I don't see them diluting the brand to accommodate the Lions. If there can't be 6 South African teams in Super Rugby (which is too long and protracted a competition anyway) then someone must bite the bullet. Promotion / relegation and that's that. You have to EARN your spot.

  • aolwage - 2012-02-01 07:13

    Ja Nee

  • manicmanta - 2012-02-01 07:15

    Lowest Ranked side falls out. That would motivate the bottomfeeders to play. Then the side that loses out can feed the other sides with depth. If you want to stay in the tournament - just dont finish last of the south african teams. Super Kings will then get to play every second year at least.

  • wehan.victor - 2012-02-01 07:15

    Ek trap nie oor die Jukskei nie ,DANKIE!

  • Robert - 2012-02-01 07:36

    The Lions and Bulls are always a game that everyone enjoys watching. its a derby against JHB & PTA and it would be very upsetting if that competition between the two teams are taken away. I enjoy the rivalry against team and supporters. it gives us all something to chirp about between friends at a braai. This must not be taken away...

  • Mc - 2012-02-01 07:37

    John Mitchell is breathing some great player at the Lions like Josh Strauss, Jaco Taute, Derrick Minnie, Elton Jantjies and if ypou combine the Bulls and the Lions great young player wont be able to stamp down there claim in SA Rugby.

  • mabeeden - 2012-02-01 07:37

    You must be joking!!? I would hate to see this happen. I am sure there are many ardent Lion fans, I am an ardent Bulls fan, that will hate to see this. Please! Do not even contemplate this. Viva Bulls viva ;-)

      Robert - 2012-02-01 07:55

      Agreed... LIONS for life. Not Bullion....

  • mabeeden - 2012-02-01 07:39

    Ons bloed is BLOU!!

  • louis.langenhoven - 2012-02-01 07:39

    I believe I have two better ideas. We either: Join the Kings with the Crusaders (since they dont have a stadium to play in and all) and then we also know the damn Crusaders will never again win anything...its boring to have one team win so frequently....or We call the competition the Super 15 and the EC kings. They also get rated on two different tables. The 15 against each other and the Kings (since they are very important and need to stand alone in their own class) in their very own league. This is clearly a win - win situation for all. Cheeky Watson can live in his own world and win every year- They can even call that special league the EC Super Special Incredible Kings for life! To see if they have a better win or worse won than the previous year they can for example add the number of tries against them and divide by say about 10 (or possibly more)- just to enable the average calculator to deal with the matter. It will really be unfair to combine the Kings with any other team becoz the Kings will always just be cheering on the other team

      mabeeden - 2012-02-01 07:41

      Good idea Louis. And hands off the manne! Lol......

  • Hendri - 2012-02-01 07:40

    Verdeel die kings tussen die "sharks" en "WP" dan is al die see diertjies by mekaar

      mabeeden - 2012-02-01 07:47

      Perfect idea!

  • Darryl - 2012-02-01 07:40

    The Lions won a 'watered-down' currie cup last season - please explain what was watered-down about it? Did your team not win?

  • Hendri - 2012-02-01 07:42

    Verdeel die Kings tussen die SHARKS en WP hulle is almal see wesens.

  • David - 2012-02-01 07:43

    Why must the Currie cup Champs combine with a strong team the Bulls to may way for weak Kings...??? Have Kings eventually qualified to play A division currie Cup at least? Seriously its international teams who take part, so Transformation or politics of another country shouldnt be of a concern to them. Its actually just gonna be an embarrassment for us with Cricket scores and record wins! How long will they stay in Super rugby?

      Robert - 2012-02-01 07:57

      If I can recall Boland beat EP kings in the Finals so I don't understand why they should be given a chance.

      Colin - 2012-02-01 11:55

      NOBODY really understand this !!!

  • zane.blignaut - 2012-02-01 07:48

    what a load of crap.. please man, combine the kings with someone, your idea is to give a team, that can not even beat Boland, and make them a tier 1 team in the S15, and then combine 2 unions which are known for their rivalry? lick your lips and taste the crap you're speaking!!!

  • Barend - 2012-02-01 07:52

    Nee Rob jy rook iets snaaks! Die Kings het nie 'n plek in Currie bekker nie wat nog te se van Super Rugby! Ek stem saam deel die spelers tussen die Stormers en die Sharks. Wie speel in elk geval vir hulle? Ek het eers gedog dis die eerste April toe ek die artikel lees, lyk vir my baie soos 'n april fools joke!

  • Heinrich - 2012-02-01 07:54

    Who are the kings? Why must big rugby make place for a crappy 2-bit team that none cares about .... except the Kings, Puke and his daddy.

  • meyr.cruywagen - 2012-02-01 07:55

    The Gauteng Bullion... Great idea!!!! Why shoud Gauteng be the only province with two teams?? It is a "Apartheid" setup end it now by combining the two and get rid of both names.... :)

  • Heinrich - 2012-02-01 08:00

    Kings are lower than bottomfeeders on the rugby logs, so they really have no place. Everyone else knows it, the global rugby fraternity knows it .......... so what is the problem? They are currently and will continue to be an embarressment. Don't we have enough of that in our sport already ... With the national clown out of the picture (eish), do we really want to introduce another?

  • peter.britz1 - 2012-02-01 08:07

    Sad fact is, if the Kings decision is indicative, then the supporters views, will have little effect on SARU! They will just bulldoze it through, and the Bulls/Lions or Cheetahs/Lions, and even Kings/Stormers will just have to knuckle down and make it work, or face ruin!

  • Petrus - 2012-02-01 08:11

    Why not combine the Southern Queens with the Slapgat Stormers then?

      Bulldozer - 2012-02-01 08:12

      The Queens have standards.

      Colin - 2012-02-01 11:59

      I can't see what the Stormers have to do with this.

  • Paulo - 2012-02-01 08:15

    i'd rather kiss my sister that whatch that abomination-lions all the way

  • ross.paitaki - 2012-02-01 08:34

    the kings do not deserve to be in the super 15, the lions and cheetah's are bad enough as it is and now we want to bring a team into super rugby that doesnt even play currie cup. Whoever is behind this, needs to have their brain checked. there was no thinking behind this at all, i wonder who is getting the fat backhand payment here.

      Colin - 2012-02-01 12:01

      Mens noem dit politieke gedienstigheid

  • gareth.mann - 2012-02-01 09:14

    Maybe if the Bulls and Lions combined they could actually develop some of their own talent without having to employ numerous scouts to watch Cape schools rugby every year?

  • Edward Diegaard - 2012-02-01 09:18

    let there be 12 teams in the Currie cup. And let in be the top 5 teams qualify for super rugby. 1, 2, 3 & 4 qualify automatically. 5, 6, 7 &8 then go on to play semi's and a final of their own to qualify as the 5th team. That way alot of teams play alot more meaningful games which means alot more full stadiums for the smaller teams. Just imagine with 3 weeks to go in a season how the bottom teams still have alot to play for knowing they can still make it into a playoff for super rugby

  • Andre Botes - 2012-02-01 09:25

    Its also not fair that there is 2 super rugby sides within 50km from each other. Whether the kings deserve it or not, geographically it makes sense. Between cape town and Durban there is no super rugby and its a gap of about 2500km. If they played super rugby from the start they would have been able to hold on to their players as the best players in the country moves to super rugby franchises. And everytime they have played super rugby franchises they have been very competitive even beating the bulls. Let's say they played super rugby from the start and they had players like Zane kirchner,Bjorn basson,jj engelbrect, Brad Barrit,elton jantjies,brent russel, nic groom,ryan konkowski,keagen danie,both potgieters,ross skeate,stepehn sykes,bandisa maku. Then it would be a different story. So I think everyone just wants to be fortune tellers and be a doom and gloom people. give other people also a fair chance.

      Colin - 2012-02-01 12:06

      Fair comment. Unfortunately that is what the professional era has done to sport -money rules- and sadly it's going to stay that way. How many years must we wait until the Kings become competitive ?

      andrebotes1982 - 2012-02-01 15:04

      Heu Colin. I would like to answer that by asking the following question. Is the Lions competitive in the super 15? as far i know in the last 2 years they have won only 3 games in 30 matches. thats a 10 percent win ratio. Is it not fair that another team gets a change maybe. we all know that a change is as good as a holiday and currently the kongs have a much better chance of securing funds than the lions.

  • Ridwaan - 2012-02-01 09:43

    Rob Houwing has been smoking fynbos again ... I have no problem with the Top 5 teams representing SA in Super Rugby, but can you qualify in our local comps first please ! Right now even the Pumas/Griquas have a better team, and they also represent a province.

  • casper.bornman - 2012-02-01 10:07

    Firstly...Other side off the Hennops River is still Bulls country.. you mean the Jukskei River ! Secondly.. The good all Noord Transvaal fought many years to be a separate union from the the old Transvaal..ever since then we have won more trophies then any other union in SA (WP won most of their currie cups even before the Bulls came to be) so to combine with the Lions.. NO THANK YOU...dont get me wrong... I like the Lions, but to join up with them and play games in a hell hole like Ellispark..NO THANK YOU !! As far as im concerned the Kings must first play currie cup..prove their worth..and then when the next expansion come they can be considdered. If some one has to make way... the lions players are more than welcome to come and join the Bulls family, but we will be the BULLS and in BLUE and will play all our games at LOFTUS..en niks anders nie ! or... maybe the Kings can join the Stormers.. Storming Kings.. Stormers have no tradition because WP (for who I do have respect) and Stormers are two completely different things.. so it wont be such a big adjustment and most of the people in the eastern and southern cape support the poor old stormers in any way ! So leave our Bulls alone and go and try to fix something that is broken.. not something that is working ! Go Bulle !!

  • brad.pullock - 2012-02-01 10:23

    If the competition remains the super 15 and another team is sacrificed to include the Kings - it will be just that - a sacrifice! The team will be raped of players and staff who will just transfer to the Kings. Much as I think the Kings have a worthy objective of bringing top flight rugby back to the Eastern Cape - I don't think this is the correct solution. I think we will see the same pool of Super 15 players, just a larger portion than usual will have changed colours in 2013.

  • Francois J Roos - 2012-02-01 10:24

    Its wrong, the kings aren't even good enough for currie cup but want to play SUPER rugby,they will never win a game,I think kings and stomers should merge

      Pieter - 2012-02-01 10:45

      Yes they still will not win but you get all the Stomers Supporters a bit of HOPE

  • Colin - 2012-02-01 10:44

    No merger will work. And it shouldn't work for such a pathetic reason (to accommodate the Kings at all cost). What will it take to reverse this stupidity ?

  • Louis - 2012-02-01 10:50

    This must be your worst article ever as a chief writer, jee did you ever think about what you wanna say before you published it?. I don't think so, you either a bulls or weepee supporter, typical dof.

  • Christo - 2012-02-01 11:03

    Any merger will see a number of our top players leave the shores of this country to go and play their rugby in England, Ireland and France. The inclusion of the Kings in the Super 15 is out-and-out a political move and it is time that SARU stop playing to the tune of Cheeky Watson and his ANC cronies. John Mitchell and his team must be retained for SA rugby. This they showed us in the Currie Cup semi-final and final - with all the Boks back from the World Cup. A promotion/relegation "fight it out" is the only answer!

  • james.kukard - 2012-02-01 11:06

    Okay very funny. Now you want to combine, why don't they combine the WP, who hasn't won any trophees for the last couple of years , and the Southern Kings. That make better sense,doesn't it? It is a Capetonian side they want to force into the S15. Lol, they can't even win the vodacomcup what are they going to achieve in the S15.

  • jandreleroux - 2012-02-01 11:08

    Pure speculation! A article written for reaction. Trolling, I think they call it.