Venter sympathetic to Boks

2009-11-18 16:02

London - Saracens Director of Rugby Brendan Venter was measured in his assessment of the Springboks’ 24-23 loss to his charges at Wembley on Tuesday night.

He praised the Boks for their improved performance after the dirt-trackers lost 22-17 to Leicester nearly two weeks ago.

“My personal opinion is that the Bok team has not played and trained together enough,” Venter said. “But players such as Wynand Olivier and Jean Deysel are seriously good rugby players.

“I thought Jongi Nokwe was fantastic and Juan de Jongh was very good. Individually they were good but how do you mould a team with hardly any training sessions?

“They are basically like a Barbarian team and it would be a little unfair to criticise them too harshly.

“When they came over I said that it was the right thing because when else can you expose these youngsters to guys like John Smit, Victor Matfield and Fourie du Preez? When do you blood them if not on a tour like this?

“The experiment hasn’t failed and it’s a pity for them that they haven’t got some results from their point of view because they’re a good coaching staff and they’re good players.”

Venter also defended the Bok scrum, which has been severely criticised and which again went backwards against Saracens.

“Those players are new to each other so it doesn’t matter what we all say, it will take time,” Venter said. “With CJ [van der Linde] going off early they had a loosehead at tighthead and that was a problem.

“Their scrumming performances are not a true reflection of the state of scrumming in SA. South Africans can scrum. I don’t think it will be a problem in the future if you consider how many South African tightheads are running around the world.”


  • Awwsum - 2009-11-18 16:19

    Keeping the door open for a possible return as Bok coach with these sweet words

  • chris S - 2009-11-18 16:20

    Quite sporty of good old Brendan. Fact remains the honeymoon is over after Jake's departure and everybody knew the streneous 2009 program. If you want to fly with the Boks you must play like the Boks. Thanks for the symphaty Brendan

  • yebo!! - 2009-11-18 16:23

    venter is a wise man!! we do have amazing players that need to be exposed to such tours... and the youngsters are rubbing shoulders with the best players in the world and the best team in the world: THE BOKKE!!! well done boys!

  • bradley - 2009-11-18 16:26

    Yes and it would be a much welcomed coach!! One with real playing experience and then with real coaching experience unlike P-diddy!! I am sure in the mean while he will poach a few more players from SA in the mean while and create the best UK based club.

  • like nooit hey - 2009-11-18 16:27

    After reading other stories of how venter was chased away from the boks training session, i'm impressed with this guy's attitude in victory. congrats on the win to sarries.......i still back the BOKKE no matter what. Go Barny and go Snorrrrrrr!!

  • Gerald - 2009-11-18 16:33

    Coach or some other position... but quite possibly. He has made a massive name for himself off the field. Then again SA doesn't recruit based on results.

  • Vernon - 2009-11-18 16:39

    The Boks will always have front-row problems as long as PdV is the coach... ......PdV = front-row problems....

  • Bruce - 2009-11-18 16:42

    Awwsum, you are a seroiusly twisted individual looking for the negative motive in everything. Let a life man,you may even find that the sky will not fall in.

  • wins - 2009-11-18 16:46

    I agree with some statements, but for our poor scrumming ability, our selectors must be blamed. A tighthead is a specialised position, and the guys who really did well in the Currie Cup competition, was left out. Why? Secondly, in SA when engaging, the refs allow attempts to bind once the packs has engaged. This results in alot of scrum collapsing, and now that we get penalised for it, we're trying to blame everyone else but ourselves. And are we not masters in going off our feet at the break points, spoiling the gameflow. And for Ruan, you're not a flyhalf !!!!!!!

  • Brad - 2009-11-18 16:49

    Such wise words. And why can't all top men be as diplomatic and insightful as this. I agree. Rugby is a team sport, and if you have 15 players doing their own thing, it is difficult to beat a team such as Saracens who having being playing together for months. I agree our coaches and players need to be patient and see this all as a learning experience. With time and faith in our great talents, they will come right as a team.

  • JP - 2009-11-18 16:56

    Positive, Negative, I think Brendon Venter sums it up. Try and count the total amount of Springbok caps between the starting 15 of last night. Not alot. We are quick to critisize but imagine the depth we are buidling by exposing these younger players to the likes of the more matured players. In a year or two we will be smashing other teams with this team of last night, then no one will go back and apologize about how negative they were in the present.

  • biltongvreter - 2009-11-18 17:04

    maybe, but he has all rights to have been more nasty..

  • Burgiesburnin - 2009-11-18 17:09

    The difference between the two teams was 1 point and 5 Englishmen. A win is a win.

  • Bok proud - 2009-11-18 17:21

    PDV is a smart coach...he knows exactly what his doing. Most of the negative idiots who comment on this site don't even know what a rugby ball looks like...Anything to throw in a racial slur..... You don't like it here in SA piss off...... don't complain all the time. Go bokke P.S..... Vernon you an idiot

  • Altyd Negatief - 2009-11-18 17:39

    Agree with all he says; Brendan has a big SA heart and must get credit for positive comments. And old Earl - what a surprise has he pulled on us all. But, Klein Gysie, nee wat Div must find you another position. And Hougaard, not Liefling, what happened to him last night - all brilliant entire season and then he makes a hash of it, but I suppose one out of 10 and more is still acceptable - remain a fan of him.

  • phil - 2009-11-18 17:43

    One good thing that came out of last night was: 3 (almost 4) tries to 2! That is pretty good! Just a pity Ruan lost his confidence when he needs to kick at goal. We always gave them a hard time when the ball went wide. Yes, Wynand can tackle and yes, he can run a good line. However, he should learn to trust his team mates and pass! Rose surprised me. Could he not be used in 7s? He did some very good things and has soft hands, but I’m not sure top–class rugby is for him. De Jongh also played well. It just shows: kickers win games.

  • Capetonian - 2009-11-18 17:45

    Well...all in all, well done Saracens actually. If anything, this game has surely got to open PDV's eyes to the talents we have playing outside SA. How about an SA Barbarians team made up of SA players that play outide of SA. I'd really like to see that in a match or 3 against the an experiment.

  • Carl Muller - 2009-11-18 17:56

    Brendan, I couldn't agree with you more!

  • ANTI DIV - 2009-11-18 17:58

    Bok proud .......The boks that should be in the side are playing in Europe.......that's it because of Div and his cronies

  • Viljoen - 2009-11-18 18:14

    It is scary to think that all that talent is now in the UK. Brain drain ... Rugby drain. PDV should know just because you choose a guy to go on tour does not make him a better player. this is suppose to be our 2nd best team in SA, and a bunch of ex pats won us.

  • Nick - 2009-11-18 18:22

    Brendan Venter has always been a chop. And a chop he will remain. But to his credit, some kind words. Patronising, but kind nonetheless.

  • rugby fan - 2009-11-18 18:25

    liefling was the difs, hes a great flyhalf

  • Wayne - 2009-11-18 18:36

    Well done Saracens, beat an exhausted Bok side. I have this problem with someone like Venter. From reports at the time, he was recruiting Province (and other) players for Saracens even while he was being paid by WP. He makes sure we South Africans miss out on seeing a lot of our top talent playing at home. I am probably being unfair and I know that it is a professional sport blah blah, but I had this image of a pimp with his prostitutes while watching the game last night.

  • NGS - 2009-11-18 18:58

    It is never nice to lose but lets face the fact it is not the biggest disaster in the world. We have "ALL THE SILVER WARE" to prove we can play rugby so a hiccup on a meaningless end of year tour can hardly do us much harm. I say let them loose on the field in the next two matches and run it wide and have some fun.

  • @Wayne - 2009-11-18 19:12

    Ten minste gee Brendan wit rugbyspelers na verdienste die kans om oorsee te speel. Hou op met die kies van paloekas wie se enigste claim to fame is dat hulle die regte kleur het, en dan sal wit spelers gemotiveerd wees om tuis te bly. Watter motivering is daar vir 'n speler soos Tiaan Liebenberg en Willem Alberts om in SA aan te bly, in ag geneem die paloekas wat gisteraand in hulle plek gespeel het? Kom @Wayne, sê vir ons.

  • RAZ - 2009-11-18 19:18

    Who is to blame after last night. Well done to Saracens, shows you what guys can do who is considered not good enough and leave the country. Will see if they receive a call up in future, doubt it though. Please, if the Boks are exhausted stop crying about it, stop the tours. I have serious doubts if they have enough depth for the team to carry on or have the same results they had this year. Maybe in a couple of years

  • Frans - 2009-11-18 19:25

    Exhausted! My word what about the All Blacks and to a lesser extent the Wallabies. The problem is that we have no DECENT backups in place.Remember the All Blacks tackled the Italians with their second stringers! Most of the Saracens players is the so called unwanted and unpopular bunch. What a laugh to see Derrick Hougaard, obviously not 100% fit, making a fool of Ruan Pienaar

  • big dee - 2009-11-18 19:40

    ...and all these comments and experience benefitting the overseas fraternity of rugby players when we gotta out up with the kak we have here... a real shame if you ask me!

  • vj - 2009-11-18 19:57

    @ Bok proud, your smoking with the mother rastafarian. You know zippo

  • John - 2009-11-18 20:41

    I think Venter's comments are spot on and it was definately a game of two halves. What really saddens me is that there are SA players lost to us forever because 1. we did not recognise their potential 2. saw no need to offer these guys insentive to stay in SA and play. One such player screams to mind BRAD BARRITT he is lost to us for good and potentially going to wear the wilting rose rather than a proud "Protea" excuse me SPRINBOK. Then there are the two lads who left our team; Steyn and De Villiers was there a fight for them? yes I know it is about money but there is always a way to find a compromise.

  • John Paul Jones - 2009-11-18 21:53

    Tired of hearing Saffers cry about SA players based abroad, as though it were a crime that has robbed the country of talent. SA players should be free to be based anywhere and still be eligible for Bok selection. The crime is not seeing them as befitting selection once they are overseas, as if they have somehow been disowned by their country. PdV has already shown himself to be a hypocrite in selecting CJ and BJ, but not Jean and Frans. Hougaard has always been a top talent, maybe he should be Morne's back-up?

  • P Church - 2009-11-19 07:24

    Boks lost it at scrumtime. It is now a crisis.

  • Chris - 2009-11-19 07:52

    Beware of the Italians,they play very good rugby.The Springboks must attack infront and play a good fast game. Good luck Boks.

  • Met Uysh! - 2009-11-19 09:45

    Respect Brendan, Respect. I hope more Saffas can look at it realisticly as you.

  • The cheeze moved... - 2009-11-19 09:58

    Easy to be magnanimous when against all odds, you have just handed the opposition their arses on a plate.

  • Bulla - 2009-11-19 12:26

    Derick Hougaard, ..still a game-breaker and match -winner....!! Go Derick..!!

  • mik@Nick - 2009-11-19 13:18

    "Brendan Venter has always been a chop. And a chop he will remain." Is that the best you can come up with? Are you a world class player and successful coach? O wait, and a medical doctor? No you're not, so who's the chop, chop?

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