Muir: We let SA down

2010-11-24 22:11

Stephen Nell

London – Springbok assistant coach Dick Muir has conceded that the weekend’s performance against Scotland was an embarrassment and that only a victory over England on Saturday will do for South Africa’s seething rugby supporters.

“The goal we set for this tour was to achieve results. We did not cover ourselves in glory at the weekend ... in fact, it was an embarrassment. We want to regain some pride this Saturday,” said Muir.

Muir, forwards coach Gary Gold and head coach Peter de Villiers will fight for their futures again if South Africa lose at Twickenham this weekend.

In this instance the result is significantly more important than the quality of the performance or the rugby.

“I think we need the win,” said Muir. “The goal for the tour was to get results. We left a number of players at home, but as a nation we take pride from our results.”

There is also an awareness that the knives are out in South Africa.

“We have been in this situation before and South Africa is a proud nation that wants results. You know when you have not been up to scratch. We have another week to turn it around,” said Muir.

You enter this industry with the knowledge that most coaches get fired.

“We let ourselves down last week, but that’s history now and we have to look forward. The best we can now achieve is winning 75% (three out of four tests) and that is what we’re aiming for.”

South Africa trained in ice cold conditions on Wednesday. They are off on Thursday and then have a captain’s run on Friday.

Tighthead prop Jannie du Plessis did not take full part in training after suffering a calf injury earlier in the week. Indications are that his limited participation was only a precautionary measure and he will play against England.

Muir also emphasised the lessons learned from the defeat to Scotland.

“We kicked too much possession away. We planned on playing a certain way, but just could not adapt quickly enough,” he said.

“You also have to adapt to what your opponent does and I think Scotland were excellent. All credit to them. It’s definitely not the result we wanted and there is a game left to turn the situation around.

“This weekend is the big one!”

South Africa still have to play the Barbarians at Twickenham next week, but this Saturday’s match will determine whether the tour will be viewed as a success or failure.”


  • swart59 - 2010-11-24 22:18

    No, this is not the big one. The big one was losing to the weakest team in the UK & Ireland family.

  • birdman - 2010-11-24 22:56

    Too busy playing golf to concentrate on the job at hand! Hole-in-one on Friday. All night celebrating. Still pissed on Saturday - it figures!!

  • Loren - 2010-11-24 23:30

    There is no "big one" anymore! Lets just hope that you guys play awesome running rugby against the Baa-Baas.

  • Ian - 2010-11-24 23:33

    If a loss to England means that the coaches will be fired, I hope we lose, as we cannot win the World Cup next year with the present coaching staff.

      darryl.godwin - 2010-11-25 01:59

      If only it did mean a change to the coaching staff, I would would back England all the way but I think its not going to be that easy to get rid of them. Like it or not (NOT) we are stuck with this lot until after the RWC. Heaven help the boks!

      markrobertwilson - 2010-11-25 07:25

      Agreed. If a loss is what it takes to win the RWC, then let's hurry up and lose! We need real coaches. Plumtree is the only coach who understands the new law interpretations. Coetzee and Meyer did NOT win the CC, so the job must go to Plumtree if we want to win the RWC.

      shane.erlank - 2010-11-25 08:42

      Agree with Ian lets lose in spectacular style get it behind us and lets get new management , we can turn this ship around in 8 months no problem

      Planet X - 2010-11-25 09:29

      As much as I hate the Boks to lose to anyone, I hope we get a snotklap from England on Saturday. If that is what it takes to get rid of the 3 "unwise" men charading as coaches. We have more than enough players to have an unbeatable team. To lose is one thing, but to lose the way we did last Saturday against Scotland is unforgiveable. PdV has shown on enough occasions he does not have the rugby knowledge to coach at this level. As for his assistants, well, they are only there because no one else wants the positions under PdV, that would be absolute career suicide.

  • Deon - 2010-11-24 23:33

    I agree swart59, I'm a blue bull and if the blue bulls play like that i'll rather put in the cheetahs, to lose is fine just how and to who you lose!!

  • Deon - 2010-11-24 23:39

    I hope we lose so that we can get rid of snorre. I always said give him a chance but he is bad! Victor disapointed me he was not a captain's a**. You guys are playing for SA not the Blue Bulls or the Sharks or WP so get it together!!! Ruan Pienaar should not play, McClaud or Divenhage?

      Preshan - 2010-11-25 07:13


      Jaco - 2010-11-25 07:47

      Preshan, Ruan is too inconsistant - he will win you one game and loose you the next one. He just does not know when to kick or not and is much too slow to clear the ball.

      Emile - 2010-11-25 10:13

      @ Preshan. Don't know what you've been smoking all weekend. Yes, when Ruan came on there was a major difference. The 20% ball we didn't kick away before he came on was kicked away by him. Ruan has been clueless for the past two seasons.

      StaalBurgher - 2010-11-25 16:40

      Yeah, I don't understand this issue with Pienaar. He is fine, but I would play Hougaard ahead of him.

  • dictator - 2010-11-25 00:34

    It that what you thought of the coaching staff at the end of last year?Come on man,all teams have their ups and downs.This 'bad' phase we are going through is perfect!We are going to be in the sweet spot come the start of the RWC.The same coaches beat the AB 3 times in a row.We are playing with half a team.I'm telling you.We are gona sit pretty come RWC and the AB's are gona be tired as hell.The Boks will bounce back!

      swart59 - 2010-11-25 03:51

      If I remember right, Ritchie McCaw and Dan Carter were both injured in the 2009 when we beat them 3 times. The absence of those 2 players certainly made a bigger contribution than the coaching skills of PdV and his hapless lieutenants.

      markrobertwilson - 2010-11-25 07:27

      Holy cow, you are in denial dude... a dream state.

      Jaco - 2010-11-25 07:49

      Sorry Boet, we are on a steep downward curve - every game we play is worse than the previous.

      eentyd - 2010-11-25 12:58

      Sorry Rugby, but we did lose to the AB with no Carter. We have fantastic players in SA. We can win the RWC no problem and can do it next year, but only if we have a coach that understands running rugby the new rugby... PDV still thinks Doc Craven is Presidents of SARU...

      StaalBurgher - 2010-11-25 16:42

      Stick your head in the sand about all the idiotic decisions Divvy has made. Any success the team has had has been inspite of him. Brussouw, Morne, Jacque Fourie etc would not even be playing if Divvy has his way but their predecessors got injured, forcing their selection. I wish I could make the blind see, but I've always been a bit of a dreamer.

  • Grunt - 2010-11-25 00:42

    South African rugby is nearing its end well before the minnows appear and comment on each and every disaster. Supporters are looking for major change, the time for pleasantry is gone..

  • Wayne - 2010-11-25 01:12

    You see, they are still holding out for a win this weekend to save their jobs...but nothing will change if they win this game, we have to lose this game and lose big in order to get rid of these numpties. Enough is enough, Muir, Gold and PDiv must go!

      markrobertwilson - 2010-11-25 07:27

      If a loss is what it takes to win the RWC, then let's hurry up and lose! We need real coaches. Plumtree is the only coach who understands the new law interpretations. Coetzee and Meyer did NOT win the CC, so the job must go to Plumtree if we want to win the RWC.

  • Thomas - 2010-11-25 01:41

    WTF!!! We learned some lessons from the Scots game!!!!!!!!! We kicked too much possession away!!!!! This is what these plonkers have been saying after every test this year! You can be sure as God made little green apples that is what they will be saying come Saturday evening!! How can you make a statement like that when every interview after a test the press ask why you kicked so much possession away. The only real thing you kicked away was a gameplan!!!

      markrobertwilson - 2010-11-25 07:28

      Yesterday PdV was quoted as saying there is nothing wrong with the way we play the game. Unbelievable.

      Planet X - 2010-11-25 09:42

      We had a gameplan last Saturday????? If we did, the Boks sure kept it a secret. To kick so much possession at the Scots, who are far better acustomed to a wet and slippery ball and field is insanity. To take of Morne Steyn near the end, when the game was most probably to be won on penalties, makes no sense. PdV has learnt nothing about Pat Lambie's abilites, he has only got end of game time where we had to defend and keep the lead. Should have started Lambie and if he did not play well, then send on Morne. I feel for Keegan, no game time, he must be as frustrated as hell, such a waste of a player. The lesson we have learned is the we need new brains to coach the Boks! He has not blooded any future players in any significant way at all, now it's "save my ass" time, so it's back to the old, predictable, aesy to defend against type of game that worked last year. Hello, it's 2010 and last years gameplan will not always work, those moves have been analysed to death by the opponents and defensive counters put in place.

  • Kevin Rack - 2010-11-25 04:45

    Posssesion is King. Stop kicking the ball away. I dont even expect a comission for telling you that. Also stop Vic and players determing the old Kak and chase. Plonkers are managing our game. SARU are useless fools with the rot at the top.

      Makwassie - 2010-11-25 06:39

      Yep, they should create a different league for this k@k, whatever they call it. It is not rugby. Let the Boks play there and maybe they'll win something. Leave rugby to the rest of the world. We're giving it a bad name.

  • Kudubul - 2010-11-25 05:02

    Totally disagree Muir, good attacking backline rugby is what I want to see, even if we loose.The results will come later when young tallent start to be motivated by the tipe of rubgy they play.Even if we do win against England I think our rubgy style is complete rubbish.The backline from 9 to 15 is a standing sort of running sort of kicking sort of trying to defend kudubull sh..!

  • Stephen - 2010-11-25 06:02

    Kicked to much possession away against the Scots.......when did you realise that Sherlock? hell thats all you do, Game plan this week boys is 'Maul the ball up from the 22 to the halfway line then kick the ball away let the opposition run at you and start the whole process again"...............Sucks being a Bok supporter at the moment. What will happen on Saturday..... Heart says Boks , Head says Poms :-(

  • royewwadhams - 2010-11-25 06:12

    To many excuses and not enough good results.BIG salarys and little effort.

  • Francoise - 2010-11-25 06:55

    "Muir, forwards coach Gary Gold and head coach Peter de Villiers will fight for their futures again if South Africa lose at Twickenham this weekend." What a load of bull s_it !!! We hear this every weekend and its a comment amplified everytime we loose. These guys wont get fired. The springboks wont develop a gameplan. Div will F up the squads confidence. The nation with probably the biggest depth of players in Rugby Union will be a laughing stock !!! I am sick of hearing this week in and week out. If these ass holes read the comments section they would do the honourable thing and resign !!!!!!!

      StaalBurgher - 2010-11-25 16:44

      Yup, the ANC has won. They have destroyed the Springbok from inside. The liberals must be crowing with delight at how we white people have been shown up.

  • PANNEVIS - 2010-11-25 07:00

    Muir is mis reading the situation the same way as they (coaching team) is messing up. The issue is not losing one test, but that our standard of rugby is pathetic. They seem to persist with the believe that kicking away posession is a game plan. They are like the three monkies that close their mouths (even helium talks less bullshit), eyes and ears. We need a coaching team that can understand the new demands of modern rugby and that can apply and harness the abundance of rugby talent at their disposal. This coaching team MUST GO IMMEDIATELY.

  • assan - 2010-11-25 07:17

    The only way to win is to cut off Morne and Ruan's kicking leg!

      StaalBurgher - 2010-11-25 16:45

      They are playing as they are told to play. If the game play changes so will their approach.

  • markrobertwilson - 2010-11-25 07:29

    If a loss is what it takes to win the RWC, then let's hurry up and lose! We need real coaches. Plumtree is the only coach who understands the new law interpretations. Coetzee and Meyer did NOT win the CC, so the job must go to Plumtree if we want to win the RWC.

  • Lourens - 2010-11-25 07:32

    No Mr Muir, you did not let us down last have been doing it for more than a year. You reckon one game will fix everything???????? Boy oh boy are you in for a big surprise. Kicking away to much ball on Saturday.... wow this has been happening for too long now. We only have one problem....lack of coaching. The very selfsame players perform for ther Franchises week after week but en they get into the National setup they trn to useless. Our real problem??? no coaching, no game plan, no strutures no plan B.

  • Jimbo75 - 2010-11-25 07:36

    We change our game plan every second week. Where will Frans play next week ? And Ruaan ? And Aplon ? Answer, who knows.

      Johnny - 2010-11-25 08:00

      .....its time to change the AA coach....

  • Johnny - 2010-11-25 07:58

    PDV should be fired.. ...asap..!! ......and Muir and Gold.....

  • SSDD - 2010-11-25 08:09

    “You also have to adapt to what your opponent does and I think Scotland were excellent. All credit to them." Bull shit, we are supposed to be the better team. It’s called professional rugby and we should have much more experience than this. Scotland was noware near excellent, we are supposed to be world champions which means the only excuse is, our play was poor. "It’s definitely not the result we wanted and there is a game left to turn the situation around." Damage is done - Scotland just achieved their highest spot in ranking, ever. I think we should just lose this game so we can get rid of the clown show. World champions does not perform this poorly, for such an extended period.

  • coenie.koch - 2010-11-25 08:11

    Lost because we kicked too much?? And now this week it is going to be even worse with a kicking scrumhalve and flyhalve?? When last did we had a decent backline move with the ball coming from no 9 right through to the wing??? Sack the coaches, and we might see it again!

  • geoffrey.stokker - 2010-11-25 08:20

    I don't even think a victory will appease my disappointment in the swill given to us by the Boks against Scotland. I want to see heads roll...

      Stephen - 2010-11-25 11:13

      could not agree more Geoffrey , would not be as dissapointing if Scotland where World Class........but they are not. last week was just CRAP from whatever angle you looked at the game.

      StaalBurgher - 2010-11-25 16:48

      Agreed. We have been so thoroughly embarassed that I don't see what fixes it. The worst is it won't end. Even if they replace Divvy, they will replace him with Alistair (while being good is not the best) and they will still insist on a minimum quota that will unbalance the squad and match selection. The Springboks are screwed. Occassionally sheer guts and talent will see us reap some success but then the inevitable will happen. Mark my words; we will never achieve the long running success of yester year, or that of the All Blacks, while we hear about transformation.

  • Weepee - 2010-11-25 08:24

    Theron's appointment leads me to believe Rassie Erasmus is in the mix for a senior coaching position with the Boks. I dont believe the Boks can win on Saturday and SARU will make the necessary management changes.

  • Eddie - 2010-11-25 08:34

    I agree that coaching plays a very important role, but let's not lose sight of the fact that the players are proffessionals, who have been playing rugby since early school days. A lot of what they do on the field is determined by the coach's style, but there is also an element of natural, raw talent in every player. What concerns me is how that talent seems to be absent when it really counts. helium has serious shortcomings, but I also believe the players should also shoulder part of the blame. Then we have'nt even considered certain referees, but we won't go there.

      Jay - 2010-11-25 08:58

      professionals need team work coaching, they are individuals playing - someone standing back and watching / coaching sees the overall picture / gameplan either working or not.

      StaalBurgher - 2010-11-25 16:50

      You do not beat the best, ie New Zealand, that have the same amount (if not more) talent AND the coaching. And neither will we achieve long running success against teams with less talent but better coaching.

  • bill - 2010-11-25 08:34

    I think Muir's pathetic record with the Lions is proof enough that he is a feeble coach.On his watch , the backline has lacked flair,leeked tries and kicked the ball away aimlessly.Who can forget Januarie hacking the ball into the hands of Wiepu for the AB to score. Do the honourable thing for once Muir and quit.

  • Met Uysh! - 2010-11-25 08:46

    Enjoy the golf! At least you are doing well at something!!!

  • spine111 - 2010-11-25 08:56

    This management team must KICK the job away! Stop watching until they are gone.

  • Jay - 2010-11-25 08:56

    just remember England are expecting you guys to come back and regain your pride so they will play extra-impressively! Frans Steyn on 15. Alberts to start. Mvovo on wing. Hougaard - 9. Physical guys needed on those grounds and conditions! for heaven's sake by now you better ensure the team has "gelled".

  • Mario - 2010-11-25 09:04

    Why don’t you do us all proud and just resign -SA will love you for have no clue of what to do anymore and have no vision for these future stars that will be a great Springbok team with the right guidance. Take you old style of Rugby and stuff it - I hope England win so that you all can be fired. Let’s give the job to a coach that has vision and a new style of rugby - with a little Springbok grunt up front. We had 4 years to prepare and 1 year before the WC we seem to realise that we need new talent and new coaches. Lambie has messed up twice now – where is our other flyhalf Janjies? Why not give him a chance or is he only going to please against the barbarians? Pdiv - I supported you from the start but no more. You are embarrassing this team and this country - take your staff and F-off. Or, show me otherwise – show me why we chose you, show me you have direction with this team – if not then like any other job – YOU’RE FIRED. We are the F’n world champ and currently I give that to the AB. They deserve to be called No1 unless you can show me otherwise and by you I mean the whole SPRINGBOK TEAM!!!!!!

  • spine111 - 2010-11-25 09:08

    Muir, take a look at this. Sure, you have seen it, just look again and again, then GO!

  • StaalBurgher - 2010-11-25 16:38

    Not good enough. You scraped through against Wales and Ireland. Even if you win against England it means you took too long to get your things in order. We are unwilling to accept that. It has taken you the whole god damn year despite all the advantages you had. Not only that the ridiculous squad/team/substitutino decision won't end. Divvy will bring January back, he will keep Jacobs in the squad etc etc. New issues about BEE selection will arise assuredly in the future.

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