Div: There are tour positives

2010-11-29 22:01

Stephen Nell

London – Springbok coach Peter de Villiers believes his side can take several positives from their tour to the United Kingdom and Ireland, including that South Africa remains a dominant force in world rugby when the mood grabs them.

South Africa still has to play the Barbarians at Twickenham on Saturday, but the tour will be judged on what transpired in the Tests. While the Boks blew a great opportunity for a Grand Slam by losing to Scotland, they finished a difficult season on a high by beating England 21-11 at Twickenham.

South Africa also beat Ireland and Wales earlier on the tour.

“The success of the tour lies in what isn’t immediately obvious. Results are the temporary successes or failures. The first thing is that we have removed all doubt and believe in one another,” said de Villiers.

“The second thing is that no-one can live with us when we are motivated to go out there and do our jobs. I don’t care who the team is. If we are motivated for the job at hand, we’re a force to be reckoned with.”

De Villiers believes the Springboks re-established a blueprint against England that has served South African rugby well for decades.

The Boks’ win on Saturday was based on a direct approach and physical dominance of England. Willem Alberts and Lwazi Mvovo finished for their tries only after the English had been softened up by the Bok forwards.

“I think we played a style of rugby alien to South African rugby in the Tri-Nations. We should not move away from our traditions,” said de Villiers.

“People do not want us to play like South Africans because they fear us. That is perhaps one of the biggest lessons we have learned.”

De Villiers conceded that there is room for improvement in the execution of the Boks’ attacking plays. South Africa blew a number of scoring opportunities with knock-ons and poor passes.

“It’s true that we don’t back ourselves enough. We did not play differently from the way we did against Ireland, Wales and Scotland. However, there was purpose in the way we took the ball up and defended against England,” said de Villiers.

“That is why I’m excited about the World Cup.”

De Villiers believes that the Boks would have to revisit their psychological approach and not prepare for specific opponents. He believes that is standing in the Boks’ way of reaching their potential.

“The one thing the All Blacks have got right is to pile up the points against teams that are not that strong. We prepare in our minds for a specific team and don’t give them a proper hiding,” he said.

“It’s the South African mindset – just to want to do what is necessary to win.”

New Zealand again set the pace on their Northern hemisphere tour as they secured a Grand Slam with the weekend’s win over Wales.

Australia, who were upset by England, also had a great weekend as they thumped France 59-16.


  • waynet59 - 2010-11-29 22:35

    So what happend in the tri nations and then Scotland.Political point scoring speach about nothing div.We should produce all the time.

      mike - 2010-11-29 23:26

      What he was saying about Scotland is we tried to move the ball out wide instead of through the middle with our forwards, conditions and foreign game plan screwed us. We need to play our game no matter who we play against, we are the champions after all and someone must come take it from us not the other way around.

      Ryan - 2010-11-30 01:43

      Mike, the problem in the Scotland game, and the Tri Nations, is we DIDNT try to move the ball wide, We got it to the Scrumhalf or fly half, and hoofed it down the field, giving away our posession. I think its very disturbing that DIV thinks we lost the scotland game because we tried to spread it wide. Everyone watching that game saw a Bok team, without a clue what to do, and all they did was kick away posession. If Div cant see what went wrong in that game, really, should he still be here?

      Durasmart - 2010-11-30 07:53

      This is the first bit of sense that has come from PdV's mouth since he took over as coach. When we came back from isolation in 1992, we got hammered by the Aussies and the All Blacks, because we tried to play their game and they were always going to be better at it than us. In those days a prop was judged on how many tackles he made in a game, when the truth was that if he did his primary job properly, he would not have had to make a single tackle in the game, because we would have had the ball and not the opposition.It was only when we returned to traditional Springbok rugby that we started winning again.

  • mike - 2010-11-29 23:25

    Wow, I'm a huge Div critic but this article has it spot on. We need to play direct and hard, keep possesion to me has never meant playing expansively, its not our strength and probably never will be. The AB's and Aus laugh at us when we try cause it makes there lives so easy. Div, not sure if this was scripted but right on man.

      Solly - 2010-11-30 01:25

      mike. you are also spot on. But i still feel we need a flyhalf who can think. If Morne is selected because of his boot then there others in this team who can fill the kicking role. Use him some where else. Blood those two youngsters now before the world cup.

      StaalBurgher - 2010-11-30 11:43

      There is difference between playing direct and hard and a kicking game. I agree we dont have to "spread the ball wide" as much as some other teams. BUT we need possession to do that just like any team playing the wider game. The biggest problem has been too much kicking and on top of that, aimless kicking. The more we have the ball the less tries the opposition scores no matter how good they are.

      Dan the Man - 2010-11-30 11:57

      Mike, show me one game where we have played expansively this season?? Not a single one mate - the England game was the closest we got. We lost most of the game we played this season precisely because we didnt move the ball; we were so one dimensional that even scotland could beat us. Div (and you) doesnt have a clue what he is talking about

  • Mike@CapeT - 2010-11-29 23:27

    'South Africa remains a dominant force in world rugby when the mood grabs them'. Bloody hell, so what happens in the other 3 or 4 games where the mood hasn't 'grabbed them'!? Wake up P Diddly, you can't coach an international team by the seat of your pants!

  • Roderick - 2010-11-29 23:47

    Reading the headline I thought he was going to talk about the "doping" again ;)

      dictator - 2010-11-30 00:33

      Ha!!That is exactly what I thought!

  • Macho Mike - 2010-11-30 00:18

    Div, the only positives from the tour was for those who tested positive for drugs.Remember, we only beat England after they had played the All Blacks and Australia. You cannot class Scotland, Wales and Ireland with the All Blacks and Australia.We just beat Wales and Ireland, but lost to Scotland. The All Blacks thumped all three. For me, the England game only served to paper over the cracks.........

  • RustyJam - 2010-11-30 04:13

    Geez what a plonker, where does he find these strange words. Wish SA had a choice for a coach! PDiv you just dont cut it, actually youre pathetic!

  • thejoyces - 2010-11-30 06:12

    I can't believe that PdV actually said "that if the mood grabs the Boks & if they are motivated". They are paid BIG money to represent SA. They should be motivated and in the mood for each and every game!!

  • Allin - 2010-11-30 06:38

    “I think we played a style of rugby alien to South African rugby in the Tri-Nations. We should not move away from our traditions,” said de Villiers. Please don't try to think, ever. Who decided on the style of rugby to be played in the Tri-Nations?

      Peet - 2010-11-30 07:34

      As far as coaching goes....our Springbok coach needs it more than the players. The main problem with our team is incinsistancy in player selection compared to all world class teams. We have'nt had a consistent team of players in a couple of years. Throw all their names in a hat, take your pick and just sit and hope your choice will pay your Div-ident. How can anyone expect any team managed in this way to stay focused and perform.....The team management needs a serious make over - not our players.

  • oDieAntword - 2010-11-30 07:19

    Recently read this: The All Blacks have hit the 75% win ratio against all comers over all time (SA is 64%). I don't think any team in world sport has that success rate – winning 3 from every 4 games. Remarkable, given that the player pool is a fraction of opposition sides. And yes, the All Blacks have only that one RWC. But even the most fanatical critic of the All Blacks can only bring to bear two major criticisms of All Blacks to bear: (1) they cheat, and (2) they choke in RWCs. For me, the ongoing enjoyment from watching this team play far outweighs the ongoing disappointment of them not winning that little gold trophy. Total rugby uhuru.

      BOKLDN - 2010-11-30 13:40

      Colin Montgomery was a very good golfer too... Got to take the title boet.

  • ricky.eaglestone - 2010-11-30 07:55

    Time to set the standard and play like Springboks. And even though my blood is Blue, I have to concede that the Boks must take a leaf from the Sharks, in directly demolishing forward play and ball retention.:-)

      Rob - 2010-11-30 09:29

      I hear you Ricky. If SA just used their direct forward play (which is unmatched) and retain the ball we will be devastating. This kick and chase is nto the way to win as it won't always work. I admit it's worked before, but is not the solution. Kick when it has a purpose, like to sharks did.

      Kevin - 2010-11-30 14:28

      WELL SAID !!!!Play to our strenghs-demolishing forward play /ball retention and sniping runs from the back.The Sharks proved this during CC by beating all thoroughly with this gameplan ---- yet dipshit i mean Devilliers wants to stick to 10 man rugby.SOMEBODY---shoot this icehole!!!

  • sonnyg - 2010-11-30 08:22

    I agree we should play like south africans hard and direct but we did not lose in the tri nations because we tried to play a different game plan we were just poorly coached and kicked everything away. There is no excuse for bad defence. Bad defence is a sign of poor coaching. The key to the boks winning next year is FDP. If FDP is injured we have no chance of winning the WC. He is the glue and the brains in our team.

  • Mark Edwards - 2010-11-30 08:36

    What rubbish. This arguement is totally scewed. Why the fuss about a direct approach or an expansive game. The true diversions of the game are possession versus positional play. The Boks beat England by dominating possession and not just aimlessly kicking the ball away. The true test is the ability to go wide, gain territory and still maintain possession. In order for this to happen, we need a fly-half that can think tactical kicking and offensive running, MS is not the man for this. To beat the all blacks, we need to do it with 15 man rugby. An excellent win by the Bokke, but we still need an attacking backline that can counter attack at the right time and keep possession.

  • henk v - 2010-11-30 08:36

    nee wat Div feit dat ons die Engelse gewen het beteken NIKS. Ek dink soos die meerderheid rugby ondersteuners dat jy en jou afrigtingspan julle paai moet vat en waai. Vat sommer vir kiewiet matfield saam.

      Johnny - 2010-11-30 09:09

      Henk, dis duidelik dat jy boggerol van rugby af weet... ...Victor Matfield is deur die IRB benoem as een van die spelers van die jaar... .......jou aap...

  • Gido - 2010-11-30 09:22

    Div still believes kicking "up and under's" is the way to play... typical Blue Bulls rugby.. Aus and NZ is going to run at us every time we kick.. we're in trouble..

      player23pro - 2010-11-30 10:29

      100%..... Thats true. how can we see this and Div- cant??

  • Rob - 2010-11-30 09:26

    "The second thing is that no-one can live with us when we are motivated to go out there and do our jobs. I don’t care who the team is. If we are motivated for the job at hand, we’re a force to be reckoned with.” May i point out Mr Div, that as a coach IT IS YOUR JOB TO KEEP THE TEAM MOTIVATED TO PERFORM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not just when the mood grabs you. See how the All Blacks play with conviction and passion week in and week out. They don't get in the mood only when they get an ass kicking by the likes of Scotland.

      player23pro - 2010-11-30 10:32

      HAHA.. took the words right out of my mouth Rob.

  • michaelmbth8 - 2010-11-30 09:30

    Just from this tour what stood out is that there are a couple of positions still up for grabs come the WC next yr.Mvovo has raised his hand,Jean De Villiers has dropped his hand and i just see where John Smit can come back and play,he must show his worth before being called up. Those people who are asking for PDiv to be sacked need to asked themselves what they want,we have a winning team and a winning coach,why distabilise the team? There seems to be forces within and outside of SARU who are trying to get Div out, they've failed to get Hoskins to fire Div now they want a certain committee to do that,why? SA rugby is in good hands,administratively and on the field of play please back off and watch the game,let the coach do his job and players play.

  • ArtGee - 2010-11-30 10:11

    Only POSITIVES from the TOUR is the fact that you ONLY WON 9 out of 19 Matches so far! Embarrassing if you ask me! Good to hear TWO of the THREE Coaches WILL be sidelined, but the "TURD" one is being kept on! Silly!

  • Norgemann - 2010-11-30 10:42

    The game only really took off when Kirchner went off. Cut it any way you like. He isn't international quality.

      player23pro - 2010-11-30 11:17

      Thats one thing i dont understand. We have a world class fullback (F.Steyn) but they keep on using him at center where he does not perform. Hell ....use A.Jocobs at center if you must. At least he knows what to do at centre.Kirchner....mmmmm 50/50..... Keep him on the bench as a sub. Just shows you if J.F is out we have a PROBLEM.....or who els is there???

  • Jaco - 2010-11-30 11:16

    What a lot of bullshit! Who forced us (or PDiv) to play alien style of rugby in the tri-nations - the ANC, ANCYL, DA or who? Have the Boks been paid in the tri-nations and against the Scots for playing while not motivated - I thought any player selected for the Bok squad is completely motivated! How is PDiv going to determine before a game who is motivated and who not, and why not? PDiv reckons he does not intend to prepare for specific teams in future anymore - OMG - I hope the media mis-quoted him again. Ditto for the negative mindset "just to do what is necessary to win" - what rubbish is that? WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO GET RID OF THIS FOOL???

      StaalBurgher - 2010-11-30 12:52

      Confusion forced the coach to lose the plot. He is not knowledgeable enough to let us play to our strengths while also adapting to the new rules. People seem to be confusion various aspects here. The rules previously supported "defensive" play as opposed to "offensive" play. Because of our continued kicking game we never changed to an "offensive" gameplan and gave up too much possession. However, an "offensive" gameplan does not necessarily mean you must attack with your backline all the time. That is a particular style that will suit teams that have highly electric backs like Australia and the All Blacks. I am not saying the Boks have crappy backs but our strengths do lie with the forwards and physical (rather than speedy, light-of-foot) backs. The Boks should be playing "offensively" but focused on their forwards with a lighter emphasis on spreading the ball wide. If that works for us I can't see anything wrong with it. The trick is finding the balance that the Bok players are comfortable with. I admit we might be a bit in limbo with Aplon and Basson. But that once again comes back to the coach's inability to balance our squad/team and tailoring our forward-based approach to incorporate an attacking style instead of a "defensive" kicking gameplan. That said, we didn't kick that much the last few games. The issue is that it took Divvy at least a year before he realised that the kicking doesn't work despite all evidence from the Super14 and Currie Cup.

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