Aussies 'stealing' NZ players

2012-10-22 07:29

Brisbane - All Blacks rugby coach Steve Hansen has attacked Australian rugby for "stealing" New Zealand players and says the Bledisloe Cup rival should improve depth by developing its own talent.

Hansen spoke after his team's 18-18 draw with the Wallabies in Brisbane on Saturday in which New Zealand-born centre Mike Harris kicked five penalties for Australia.

Hansen says he doesn't begrudge Harris' decision to sign for Queensland when he was rejected by New Zealand Super 15 franchises or to later play for Australia.

But Hansen says "what I find frustrating is that Australia is trying to build their game and put more franchises in place, but all they are doing is putting franchises in place and stealing our players. They should get their own house in order and develop their own."


  • macziekpk - 2012-10-22 07:37

    Outburst! First!

      dhirshan.gobind - 2012-10-22 08:43

      now you know how we feel when england steal half our cricketers and rugby players!

      donavan.boshoff - 2012-10-22 09:41

      kiwis are starting to come undone, you read it here first. - 2012-10-22 10:14

      u mean how many players parents left the islands to live a better life in NZ!! pls name the ALL BLACK players that came from the islands at the start or during there professional career!!!!

      braam.groenewald.39 - 2012-10-22 12:02

      Sione Luaki and Sitiveni Sivivatu spring to mind. Both were not in nappies when they moved to NZ. Then there is a certain Greg Rawlison, White showed some interest and then Henry said, hey, I'm interested too so I'll let him play 4 games for us to screw over the Boks.

      Citroes - 2012-10-22 14:05

      Here's a nice long list for you NZBro & Pat Cam. Scroll down to the All Black list. And that's just the Samoans. Haven't even bothered with Tonga and Fiji. Now run along - the pork bones are almost done.

      Rick.Gonzo.56 - 2012-10-22 14:57

      The All Blacks should be known has the All Islanders

      Caleb - 2012-10-23 02:38

      Citroes, please do proper research first, and dont just take Wiki as Gospel. Most of those players on that list only have Polynesian heritage, most actually were born in NZ or have lived 90% of their lives in NZ. Hansen has a valid point, buying NZ unwanted discards does not develop depth in Aussie rugby, this needs to be a grassroots thing.

  • ron.roos.794 - 2012-10-22 07:40

    Maybe you should stop stealing players from the South Sea Islands also and develop your own.

      nzbro.allblack - 2012-10-22 08:11

      perhaps you should research those players backgrounds before you post any ignorant comments matey:Hansen would not make a fool of himself and say something if he was guilty of the same offence. He is too smart for that. So...This topic came up a few weeks ago on supersport link and I responded . I shall post that question and my response for the benefit of the ignorant on N24 as well continued

      nzbro.allblack - 2012-10-22 08:12

      cont...Leighroy Conway • University of Pretoria @Nzbro,,,,,could u also explain why new zealand is the only country in the world that just 'TAKE" neighboring countries players?????? Is that even legal? Poor Samoa,Fiji and Tonga !!!! Reply • 1 • • October 14 at 8:41am Nzbro All Black • Top Commenter • Works at Self employed if you go back into the history of those players you will discover that they were not poached as perceived by you & other ignorant bok fans but rather for most of them their parents immigrated to NZ at early stages of their lives or they were born in NZ after their parents immigrated and they grew up and played provincial rugby etc in nz. here is an example:'a_Nonu AND another : Mils Muliaina, He was born in Salesi, Samoa, then moved with his family to Invercargill, New Zealand, at the age of two. AND another : Julian Savea : I can go on & on but that would only bore you with facts. So these players are NZ citizens of either samoan, fijian, tongan descent and were never poached. Very sorry to disappoint you fellas aye ? I hope that this ends the debate on poaching. Did you guys know that Pocock is from zimbabwe? and Digby Ioane is from wellington NZ? No? I thought so… well immigration is what put them where they are as well, not poaching. Reply • 1 • • October 16 at 1:50am

      nzbro.allblack - 2012-10-22 08:17

      I should also perhaps enlighten the ignorant that NZ is made up of immigrants from in particular all the pacific islands. NZ is an automatic destination for them and their families and they settle here. This has been going on for more than a thousand years. Europe, asia , africa, americas followed and to this day more are entering NZ. Out of this our All Blacks and other sports stars are born.

      donavan.boshoff - 2012-10-22 09:25

      nzboy cry me a river, as a saffa living in the uk im labeled many things of which im not I.E: racist, thug etc etc and most of it by ignoramus kiwis, if you don't like what you read on this website... DON'T READ IT! it really is that simple. skaapsteker

      donavan.boshoff - 2012-10-22 09:33

      Oh and lets not forget where that legendary fly half Andrew Merhtens was born. Durban KZN, South Africa. THIEF

      nzbro.allblack - 2012-10-22 09:50

      dono -quote: [Oh and lets not forget where that legendary fly half Andrew Merhtens was born. Durban KZN, South Africa. THIEF] ok dono let me enlighten you as well. this is getting to be tiresome but perhaps SOME africans are usually ignorant? I dont know what it could be,...anyway here goes ...again... Andrew Merhtens parents were kiwis who lived in south africa for 4 years where he was born. His parents returned to new zealand when andrew was still a kid.

      donavan.boshoff - 2012-10-22 09:52

      sorry nzboy where was he born?

      nzbro.allblack - 2012-10-22 09:53

      BlueRaven.01 incorrect. the all blacks did not reject Mike Harris It was the super 15 franchises who rejected him and out of the S15 the all blacks are sourced. Im sure those S15 franchises are kicking themselves now and so they should, Many talented players are over looked for one reason or another in many countries.

      joe.farmer.92775 - 2012-10-22 10:49

      nzbro.allblack - 2012-10-22 10:55

      dono Andrew Merhtens parents were kiwis who lived in south africa for 4 years where he was born (in durban). His parents returned to new zealand when andrew was still a (4 year old ) kid. do you need me to clarify it some more for you dono? or is that clear enough for you?...boy!

      tang.willemse - 2012-10-22 11:20

      Hey NZBRO, julle fikken ouens is tjoepstil totdat julle nie meer wen nie, dan het julle baie te sê. So fetch your sheep and shut it!

      donavan.boshoff - 2012-10-22 12:30

      @nzboy but where was he born??

      donavan.boshoff - 2012-10-22 12:37

      how do kiwis find sheep in long grass? very satisfying

      donavan.boshoff - 2012-10-22 13:13

      @raven. Your mom

      donavan.boshoff - 2012-10-22 17:31

      rave i wish i deleted my previous comment, you can blame that all on s24. your mom

      Caleb - 2012-10-23 02:45

      f%*k me you Saffas are ignorant, you claim NZ keeps stealing Pacific Island players because you heard from someone else, or you saw it on another website that had done as much research as you. Typical, just follow the herd and not add any constructive debate yourself. NZ Bro, you are infact bang on with your second comment in this reply thread. Saffas think that rugby talent is already developed at the age of 2 and 3 so we are poaching other countries talent?! Fact of the matter is, that its most likely that these players would not have even picked up a ball had they not immigrated to NZ.

      Caleb - 2012-10-23 02:47

      Blue- it not 'swinging it any which way' those are actual facts, there is no disputing them, they are not up for debate, you cant change those stats, there is only 'one way to swing it'.

  • jcoetzee1975 - 2012-10-22 07:55

    Sour grapes.... but he does have a point. The Aussies should start a domestic Rugby Union competition. Hard to do when Aussie Rules and and Rugby League is so much more popular.

  • smallies - 2012-10-22 08:02

    says the coach of the team with more south sea islanders than kiwis in it

      nzbro.allblack - 2012-10-22 08:20

      those south sea islanders are kiwis assume too much matey

      xanavin.vonbuchenroder - 2012-10-22 08:39

      @ Smallies. What about the Springboks. SA has 9.5% whites but they make up 95% of the Springboks. You see what I mean nzbro???

      smallies - 2012-10-22 08:41

      uhm matey tongan people make up almos a quater of the nz population so it makes sence that a quater of your so called new zealand team is in fact tongan just because you steal them young does not mean you dont steal them,even the graet lomu was not a kiwi....shame on you

      smallies - 2012-10-22 08:46

      @xanvin whites that has a family history of almost 400 years in sa unlike most tongan familys in nz of 12- 20years

      xanavin.vonbuchenroder - 2012-10-22 09:02

      @ smallies. I'm not saying white South Africans are not African. If U born in Africa it makes u African like anyone else. What i'm saying is that the boks demographics is not in line with the country's demographics yet the people commenting on the page want to critisize the AB's non white demographics. Im believe in players being chosen on merit no matter what the race is but why must the whites in SA comment on the AB's pacific island players who has been playing for the AB's for generations yet the Boks had non white players for just a decade.

      nzbro.allblack - 2012-10-22 09:03

      smallies LOL I dont know where you get your info from mate but stats nz will not agree with you on those figures. If tongans made up a quarter of NZ population there would be no one left in tonga and they still would not make up a quarter of nz. lol ! I think you should stick to your local african figures instead I doubt you would even know what a tongan looked like after he ran over you.

      smallies - 2012-10-22 09:19

      @nzbro.allblack sorry my mistake its 18% in 2006 as per so it can be as high as 20% now

      nzbro.allblack - 2012-10-22 10:13

      smallies I cant access Are you sure you have the correct url name? my 4 browsers say "cannot find it" anyway. currently of the 4.4 million people living in New Zealand the majority of New Zealand's population is of European descent (69 percent identify as "New Zealand European"), with the indigenous Maori being the largest minority (14.6 percent), followed by Asians (9.2 percent) and non-Maori Pacific Islanders (6.9 percent). So your 18% figure for tongans alone cannot be correct if total P Islander's are 6.9% which is correct with maori being the largest minority at 14.6 percent. I'll let that rest .:)

      smallies - 2012-10-22 10:45 sorry not terra

      smallies - 2012-10-22 10:48

      and apologies 18% of the pasific ethnic group,find it difficult not reading in my mother tongue

      Rick.Gonzo.56 - 2012-10-22 15:01

      @xanavin - learn to do maths before I make sure you have your job at Vodacom yanked away from you

  • jaco.groenewald.731 - 2012-10-22 08:03


  • jimmy.moustache.12 - 2012-10-22 08:06

    ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

  • johan.kotze.90 - 2012-10-22 08:07

    this guy is idiot and very arogant did anyone see when they were beating the boks in johburg and the camera showed him in he coaches box he was doing this thing where he kept on rubbing his nose and laughing it really pissed me off i cant wait for the media to turn on this prick

      nzbro.allblack - 2012-10-22 08:36

      another one assuming : let me explain. Tony Johnson and his fellow kiwi commentators always rib hansen about him scratching his nose at times during a match especially when he is annoyed at something. So those commentators asked aloud " when are you going to rub that nose again?" , hansen heard them, rubbed his nose & laughed them !.not the boks poor performance. you're way too sensitive mate . it must be the boks consistent poor performance getting to you aye? do they sell anti stress pills in africa?

      johan.kotze.90 - 2012-10-22 08:41

      u know the funny thing is NZ bro u cry that they toulk a few of your players yet their economy keeps your country alive that why they say in AUS last one out of NZ turn the lights off

      Caleb - 2012-10-23 02:54

      Johan- better to be quiet and have everyone assume youre a fool, than open your mouth and have it confirmed. Do your own damn research you half-wits!

  • jaco.declerck - 2012-10-22 08:16

    Oh Blah Blah Blah. Sour Grapes? Good at winning, but when it comes to almost losing or losing.........

      Caleb - 2012-10-23 02:54

      Try reading any of the comments in articles where boks lose... nuff said.

  • gary.doyle.520 - 2012-10-22 08:23

    SA are the only test rugby playing country not benefiting from foreign players. We supply a few to the others.

      steveroodt - 2012-10-22 08:29

      mmmmmmmm Beast comes to mind but not complaining

      gary.doyle.520 - 2012-10-22 08:40

      Of course sorry, probably the only good thing to come from zim.

      xanavin.vonbuchenroder - 2012-10-22 08:40

      What about the Springboks. SA has 9.5% whites but they make up 95% of the Springboks.

      nzbro.allblack - 2012-10-22 08:42

      Lets not forget you do prefer our NZ coaches to show your own how to play..

      xanavin.vonbuchenroder - 2012-10-22 08:46

      I agree 100% with you nzbro.allblack.

      gary.doyle.520 - 2012-10-22 08:56

      Plumtree was taught the bulk of his skills by Ian Macintosh and the Sharks, starting way back in 1988 when he started playing for them.

      xanavin.vonbuchenroder - 2012-10-22 08:57

      @ Blueraven. The colour of my skin is not the issue. The issue is that white people in SA has all the rights as any person in SA but why are the whites worried about the AB's demographics when the boks demographics is not anything to be cheered about.

      smallies - 2012-10-22 09:04

      @xanavi. Reali is that the best that you have....lets try this one whites make up 9:5% of the popolation yet pays 95% of the tax must carry 95% of the regime finacially including the 200 mil our so called president splashed out on his private home

      xanavin.vonbuchenroder - 2012-10-22 09:27

      @ Blueraven.01. Scroll too the top of the page then see who started first about demographics. The topic is Aussies 'stealing' NZ players. Not NZ stealing pacific island players. If the bok supporters on this page criticize the NZ player demographics then I will criticize the Springbok demographics. My comments are now closed.

      smallies - 2012-10-22 09:35

      @ mr 9.5% uhm i believe it was you

      gary.doyle.520 - 2012-10-22 09:42

      I feel for Hansen with the loss of his dad but before the game he down played the importance of breaking the record and saw it as just another game that they wanted to win. I for 1 thought they'd do it easily. His comments are all about not having broken that record.

  • nicsymes - 2012-10-22 08:26

    It's a professional game. Dry your eyes mate.

  • daniel.rossouw1 - 2012-10-22 08:41

    Remember Andrew Mehrtens you moaning New Zealanders? He was born in Durban. You are stealing all the players from Pacific Islands. Stop looking for excuses, according to me you aren't so great as the brown nosing world want to present. SA sucked, AUS are depleted by injuries and ARG is ARG, so wow.

      nzbro.allblack - 2012-10-22 11:02

      daniel.rossouw1 let me enlighten you as well. this is getting to be tiresome but perhaps SOME africans are usually ignorant? I dont know what it could be,...anyway here goes ...again... Andrew Merhtens parents were kiwis who lived in south africa for 4 years where he was born (in durban ). His parents returned to new zealand when andrew was still a (4 yr old ) kid.

      daniel.rossouw1 - 2012-10-22 13:01

      I know the history,thanks. He was still born here and his dad still played for Natal against New Zealand in South Africa in the 70's. Anything else.

      Caleb - 2012-10-23 03:01

      Theres not really much point NZBro, you cant actually break through their one-eyed stupidity, its that far engrained. Theyll just keep coming back with un- researched comments that they have heard from someone else. While where on it though Daniel- forgetting Percy Montgomery, Corne Krige, Beast, Gary Teichman, Bobbie Skinstad, the list does go on.

      splatwun - 2012-10-23 03:03

      So what's your point? Andrew Mehrtens IS NOT kiwi? I dare you to tell him that face-to-face. I'm pacific islander born and raised in NZ, so if you are inferring that by right I cannot identify as being kiwi, then I'd have issues with you just the same. My island ethnicity makes up half of me, yet to satisfy common consensus here, you and Blueraven would rather have me known purely on that, totally disregarding my affiliation to NZ.

  • heinrick.strauss - 2012-10-22 08:44

    its they own fault,, they stared it first... no they the first to complain at other country... excuses that the only thing they realy good at..... what you sow, you reap

  • andre.bloom.12 - 2012-10-22 08:51

    How many All Blacks were born in Tonga, Fiji or Samoa? Bit rich, I'd say

      Caleb - 2012-10-23 03:01

      Cant be bothered, so read above

      splatwun - 2012-10-23 03:05

      How many of those you refer to came to NZ after school-age? Thought so.

  • smallies - 2012-10-22 08:53

    this is the reason NZ pulled the plug on the islander test team they saw their river of islander players will run dry...

      splatwun - 2012-10-23 03:10

      No. We (us islanders) pulled the plug ourselves. If you know ANYTHING about us islanders, you would know money speaks. We pulled it as individual nations could not capitalise financially on the pacific test team, especially Samoa and Fiji. The pacific team was taking precedence over the individual teams, causing dissatisfaction at home. So it was canned - as simple as that. But I guess inferring NZ was the reason of it being disbanded is convenient to sway perceptions to your way of thinking...

  • andre.bloom.12 - 2012-10-22 09:04

    I'd really like to know what NZ rugby does to develop rugby in the South Sea Islands? They certainly poach their best players. I'm also convinced that not enough is done by SA rugby to develop the game in our region with particular reference to Zim and Namibia. NZ bro, besides being condesendin, professes enlightenment on the subject... pray sir, do tell.

      nzbro.allblack - 2012-10-22 10:43

      andre.bloom.12 The pacific islands are sovereign states and NZ cannot interfere in their sport thru sponsorships. The nz taxpayer already sponsors those governments thru govt grants. The IRB however can in the interest of developing all the pacific island sport do what ever is needed and they do. See here: and here: I would like to see those nations tour NZ and vice versa as we do europe, oz, africa and now south america.That would be a good thing for them as well I think.

  • hans.naude1 - 2012-10-22 09:12


      bakkies.botha.39 - 2012-10-22 09:16

      STOP SHOUTING MY EARS CANT TAKE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      tang.willemse - 2012-10-22 11:24


  • robertboulter - 2012-10-22 09:16

    NZbro.allblack - You tit! This is what we're talking about - ...and that's the first one I looked at. Don't think we're ignorant. Players move all the time and thats fine. You want to play at the best level you can and if we all had a choice to be capped by Samoa or NZ, 99% would choose to be an AB, but you do have more players in your team that are "dual nationality" than any other team. Aussie are just slow coming to the party. For Hansen to start commenting on players playing for another country is ridiculous. You guys played Greg Rawlinson too. A SAFA! You're not as clean as you would think bucko!!!!

      nzbro.allblack - 2012-10-22 10:33

      Sivivatu moved to New Zealand when he was 17. so whats your point?. he was not poached. he was an immigrant! (...despite the fact that he had not yet completed his required three years of residence to qualify as a New Zealand rugby representative.) it was inevitable he would qualify. So again what is your point. There are many here who would jump up and down if the nzru acted outside their boundaries and immigration rules so I still cant see your point on Siti. Greg Rawlinson was born in South Africa and moved to New Zealand in 2002. The second row rejected overtures from the Springboks to remain in All Black contention and was rewarded with a call-up to face Ireland in June 2006. It seems he chose to immigrate at around age 24 and did not want to play for SA. If he did play for SA he would not have qualified to play for his new country. NZ did not poach him, he came of his own choosing. Next ? Tit !

      joe.farmer.92775 - 2012-10-22 10:50

      joe.farmer.92775 - 2012-10-22 10:54

      and there are a few others Lomu/Bunce/Little etc

      jimmy.moustache.12 - 2012-10-22 10:57

      joe. they're publicly broadcasting their thievery. WOW

      nzbro.allblack - 2012-10-22 11:05

      JoeFarmer now google everyone of them and you will see when they or their parents immigrated to NZ. There is not enough space for me to copy & paste all that data on this forum to disprove your point.

      tang.willemse - 2012-10-22 11:45

      Ja nzbro, and a chicken is a quad-bike! Stop trying to justify everything that is obvious. Hansen is a sore loser prick...unjustify that you tit!

      Caleb - 2012-10-23 03:07

      @ Joe, none of those stats feature when they came to NZ, this is not considered poaching if they come on their own accord with their families.

  • claude.jacobs2 - 2012-10-22 09:32

    Sour grapes Hansen??LOL How many of your players is really NZ players???They all look like foreign players to me.

      nzbro.allblack - 2012-10-22 10:35

      LOL you obviously dont know the demographics of a nz'der lol come & visit. it will be an education for you. you might even think you landed in china if you end up in some places

      splatwun - 2012-10-23 03:19

      Agree wholeheartedly with NZBro... You only have to go all four ends of Auckland to find that out... All the Somalians in Mt. Roskill, all the Sth Africans in North Shore, all the pacific islanders in Sth Auckland, all the Asians out east, all the Indians owning dairies in all parts of Auckland, and all the Maori and palagi (caucasians) scattered all over the place! If you know Auckland, you'd know I'm playing on generalisations of the demographics.

  • ronnie.duplessis.7 - 2012-10-22 09:57

    EDDY MOANS!!!!! sound a lot like the Australians when they can’t get there way. There goes the record and comes the sour grapes.

      Caleb - 2012-10-23 05:23

      Quarter finals, 2nd to last in RC... nuff said

  • jimmy.moustache.12 - 2012-10-22 10:28

    Xan. It really sounds like you wanted to make the comments about skin color. All the guys were saying is that NZ is the last country that can complain about poaching players because allot of players playing for them are not of NZ birth. Imagine England complain about this......everybody will comment negatively, because they poach as well, not because of race. Wise up.

  • - 2012-10-22 11:17

    Give this man a box of Kleenex !!!

  • smallies - 2012-10-22 11:49

    collins caino bunce lomu howlett umaga sivivato mills in the last couple of years alone,not to mension provincial players

      smallies - 2012-10-22 12:04


      james.milankovich - 2012-10-22 12:35

      lol. Do you know what youre on about or are you just naming random names?Lomu, Bunce, Howlet, Umaga, Collins were all born in nz

      smallies - 2012-10-22 13:20

      jerry collins born 1980 Apia Samoa

      smallies - 2012-10-22 13:22

      howlett of tongan decent

      smallies - 2012-10-22 13:59

      all of them of island descent bunce even played for samoa

      james.milankovich - 2012-10-22 14:41

      so they are not nzers even if they were born in nz and have island decent. If that the case we are all English, dutch and german and not South Africans

      smallies - 2012-10-22 15:13

      most of these players's parants were islanders umaga's brother played for samoa,most were born in nz because the parants worked there because of the islands poor economical situation

      Caleb - 2012-10-23 03:18

      Smallie, when they say 'of Tongan descent' or whatever country, it just means they have heritage their. Please dont comment anymore until you are clued up. The other Saffas take your ridiculous incorrect stats as Gospel.

  • johannes.barnard.77 - 2012-10-22 12:34

    NZ started with this way back remember Frank Bunce he played for Samoa , Hansen should rather have kept quite and take it on the JAW .

      splatwun - 2012-10-23 03:25

      Hahaha! Samoa POACHED Frank Bunce!!!!! He's Niuean - not Samoan! And Niue has a free association agreement with the NZ government, meaning Niue's citizens are automatically NZ citizens upon birth also. How do I know? I'm Niuean myself!

      Caleb - 2012-10-23 05:25

      Kinda just highlights how much these guys know about this issue hey Splatwun. Regurgitate what evryone else thinks, thats the mantra in SA.

  • philip.harris.967 - 2012-10-22 12:52

    How can you "steal" unwanted players ? Sounds like sour grapes to me. Wasn't Hansen and Graham Henry involved with Wales when they lied about Andy Marinos qualifiying to play for them?

  • viva.lebok - 2012-10-22 12:57

    This is rich coming from New Zealand who have been poaching players from the Islands for years now. Even more idiotic is that NZ franchises turned Harris down. Should he then give up his rugby career if NZ don't think he is good enough.

  • cinta.tauai - 2012-10-22 13:12

    Hansen is right, just read this article about where players from the RWC2011 were born.. .. 38 players born in NZ were playing for other countries, 3 times as many as SA/Australia (13). Samoa were the biggest benefactors of this with 15 NZ BORN PLAYERS in their 30 man squad, NZ had 4 players not born in NZ in their 30 man squad. This shows NZ is the biggest exporter of rugby talent in the world, so who's really poaching off who?

      Caleb - 2012-10-23 03:20

      Your not allowed to post truth or facts like that in this forum, dont worry they will just ignore it and go on being ignorant.

  • surita.riffel - 2012-10-22 13:28

    what's this moaning and groaning about NZ players, demographics and stats? Julle kan gerus ophou, praat liewer oor die Bokse wat so !@#$ speel. Met afrigter en al. Hy't nou die dag amper die walke-talkie opgevreet van stres! Shame!

  • heinrich.vanjaarsveld.52 - 2012-10-22 13:43

    Forget about the ausies stealing rugby players talk about kiwis stealing south african cricket players that infact played provincial cricket in south africa so to say tha all blacks don't poach I can agree butt not with their cricket team in fact in the last 3 years there was 4 sa born cricketer playing for the kiwis so please nzbroallblack explain that one for me leave the rugby cause ur ignorant and stupidity amaze me

  • dekkeranton - 2012-10-22 14:02

    Shame, Steve Hanson, you stupid idiot! Before you start making disparaging remarks about how other rugby playing countries do their thing, maybe you should look deep and hard at your own team and super franchises. How many players from Samoa, Fiji, Tonga, and every conceivable island that breeds them big and fast, are represented in your own NZ teams? What about a certain Mr. Andrew Mehrtens? Born 28 April 1973 in Durban, South Africa, yet we never claimed him as one of our own or deny him his right to play for the All Blacks. Then you have Greg Rawlinson in your All Black team (born 14 August 1978 in Durban, South Africa). By the way, here are some of your own current home grown heroes their birthplaces, Mils Muliaina (Salelesi, Samoa), Ben Franks (Frankston, Australia), Jerome Kaino (Tutuila, Samoa) and Isaia Toeava (Moto'otua, Samoa)

      dekkeranton - 2012-10-22 15:21

      If New Zeeland can be stopped pouching players from the islands in the Pacific, Samoa could have been World Cup Champions already. Unfortunately, with big bully NZ simply taking what they want, disregarding IRB immigration and eligibility rules, that seem to be applicable to all the rugby playing countries, except NZ, this would unfortunately never happen!

      donavan.boshoff - 2012-10-22 17:55

      Sounds like Durban is the problem here, hell i'm from there but i don't live there anymore either.

      lindsay.amner - 2012-10-23 00:33

      NZ rugby scouts are out in the islands checking out the child care centres and selecting the best 2 and 3 year olds to send to NZ. Absolutely plundering them!! Samoa was a protectorate of NZ from 1915 until 1961 and for a decade or two after that Samoans held NZ passports. Most of the \Samoans\ playing for NZ have never been to Samoa. Most of the Samoans playing for Samoa have never been there either. They are New Zealanders either born in NZ or grown up there.

      Caleb - 2012-10-23 03:21

      Dekkeranton- dont be stupid, do your own research before opening your mouth.

      dekkeranton - 2012-10-23 06:51

      caleb.drumm.1, you sad dim-witted being! Have nothing to contribute to the debate, except to resort to name calling and slander, is the sign of someone of very meagre intellect! If you feel any of the facts I’ve mentioned are incorrect, please feel free to point them out, but to simple call me "stupid" reflects poorly on you, my unfortunate friend! No wonder Steve Hanson is “your” coach! You both reason with the same level of self-righteous obtuse despondency.

      Caleb - 2012-10-24 02:15

      How can i not call you stupid when you make accusations like 'with big bully NZ simply taking what they want, disregarding IRB immigration and eligibility rules, that seem to be applicable to all the rugby playing countries'. Only a stupid idiot would make a comment like that- YOU made the accusation, YOU prove it! The facts are NZ does alot more for the Islands sports than the IRB or even the Islands own respective governments do. You have no knowledge on how things are conducted which is evident by your biased comment. ''Disregard IRB immigration rules''... the NZRU adhere to every single one you muppet.

  • chiepner - 2012-10-22 14:23

    Thats rich coming from Hansen. Mind you I think I have seen enough to know that Hansen is one of those coaches who blames everything and everyone if his teams fall short accept himself. Alot of players currently in that NZ side has origins from the Island Nations. not so long ago Samoa and Fiji was bemoaning the constant loss of players to New Zealand and when that happned it was not all that important topic for Hansen. Mind you last year we as South Africans where informed of the aggresive campaighn NZ has launched to try and lure some of South African school boys to NZ. Did'nt have much to say about that either Hansen? Its a double edged sword mate. If you want to outlaw it I would advice you to cosy up to the IRB and see if they could bring in a rule that states you are only allowed to represent your country of birth on the international arena - yet this would mean that NZ would probly be the worst affected nation as alot of your current players wasnt born on NZ soil? It might also mean that we might actually see an Island Nation lifting the Webb Ellis sooner rather than later.

  • lindsay.amner - 2012-10-23 00:20

    Some of you really need to do a bit of research before commenting. Even a bit of thinking would be good. Of the 49 players of Samoan descent who've played for the All Blacks 32 were born in NZ. Of the others only Alama Iremaia came to NZ over the age of 10. Samoa was a protectorate of NZ until 1960 and when it gained independence lots of Samoans went to NZ. Only a few Tongans have played for NZ and all like Lomu and howlett were born in NZ. Of the Fijians, Little was born in NZ, Rokocoko came to NZ when he was 5, Sivivatu when he was 17 and only Joeli Vidiri could be said to have been poached.

      Caleb - 2012-10-23 03:23

      they wont do their own research though, because they need to live in a fantasy world where the AB's are the big baddie, any evidence to the contrary is completely brushed under the carpet. Your list is a classic example, but none will believe you, and just quote their own injustices as they always have.

  • splatwun - 2012-10-23 02:45

    @ Citroes... Your list is laughable at every sense of the word! 15 out of the 52 listed names were born outside of NZ. Of the 15, Casey Laulala is the only player to have come to NZ after the age of 13. Don't twist facts into making them appear as you percieve it, let them speak for themselves. Now, if you start claiming that the other 14 players were 'poached', then you really are desperate, having to fabricate nonsense about NZ stealing our men - really? NZ rugby scouts could tell Mils was going to be a future All Black 15 at the age 3, when he arrived at Invercargill from Apia???

      Caleb - 2012-10-23 03:25

      Nicely said.

  • blip.noodlum - 2012-10-23 07:59

    Compare "importers" (using foreign-born players) and "exporters" (native-born locals playing for another country). This is how the teams at the 2011 Rugby World Cup compare: Importers 15: Samoa (all from New Zealand) 12: USA 11: Italy 10: Japan 9: Tonga 8: England 7: Australia, Scotland 5: Canada, Fiji, Namibia, Wales 4: Ireland, New Zealand 2: France, Russia 1: South Africa 0: Argentina, Georgia, Romania Exporters 38: New Zealand 13: Australia, South Africa 6: Argentina, England 5: American Samoa, Samoa 4: Tonga 3: Fiji 2: Hong Kong, USA, Zimbabwe 1: Burkina Faso, Canada, Cote d'Ivoire, Israel, Kenya, Mexico, Scotland, Uzbekistan 0: France, Georgia, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Namibia, Romania, Russia, Wales Those are the cold hard facts.

  • andrew.mufema - 2012-10-23 14:37

    SPRINGBOKS born outside SA:........... Spanner Forbes - Australia Tommy Hepburn - Botswana Christian Stewart -Canada Paul Scott - Canada Alf Larad - England Ben Andrew - England Charlie Trignell - England Ernest Olver - England Ferdi Aston - England Frank Guthrie - England Geoff Gray - England Henry Gorton - England Nick Mallet - England Steve Atherton - England Tommy Etlinger - England Wilfred Trenery - England George Crampton - Ireland Hugh Ferris - Ireland Chris Badenhorst - Namibia Grant Esterhuizen - Namibia Henning van Aswegen - Namibia Henry Tromp - Namibia Percy Montgomery - Namibia Sias Swart - Namibia Broekie van Broekhuizen - Netherlands Alex Frew - Scotland Bob Snedden - Scotland Edward Little - Scotland John Allan - Scotland Willie McEwan - Scotland Christo Bezuidenhout - Spain Birdie Partridge - Wales Taffy Townsend - Wales Corne Krige - Zambia Adrian Garvey - Zimbabwe Ben-Piet van Zyl - Zimbabwe Bob Skinstad - Zimbabwe Brian Mujati - Zimbabwe Chris Rogers - Zimbabwe David Smith - Zimbabwe Des van Jaarsveld - Zimbabwe Gary Teichmann - Zimbabwe Ian McCallum - Zimbabwe Ian Robertson - Zimbabwe Joe Francis - Zimbabwe Roy McCallum - Zimbabwe Tendai Mtawarira - Zimbabwe Tonderai Chavhanga - Zimbabwe

  • andrew.mufema - 2012-10-23 15:15

    Just the SAMOAN All Blacks (past & present) John Afoa , Sosene Anesi, Ben Atiga , Graeme Bachop , William Birtwistle , Andrew Blowers , Olo Brown , Frank Bunce , Jerry Collins , Christian Cullen , Charlie Faumuina , Ross Filipo , Alama Ieremia , Michael Jones , Jerome Kaino , Josh Kronfeld , Pat Lam , Casey Laulala , Keith Lowen , Lelia Masaga Chris Masoe , Aaron Mauger , Nathan Mauger , Keven Mealamu , Brad Mika , Dylan Mika, Mils Muliaina , Ma'a Nonu , Julian Savea , John Schuster, John Schwalger , Kevin Senio , Dave Solomon , Frank Solomon , Rodney So'oialo , Benson Stanley, Jeremy Stanley , Joe Stanley , Neemia Tialata Filo Tiatia , Isaia Toeava , Ofisa Tonu'u , Mose Tuiali'i , Va'aiga Tuigamala , Richard Turner , Tana Umaga , Victor Vito , Bryan Williams , Sonny Bill Williams, Rudi Wulf

      Caleb - 2012-10-24 02:16

      Are you just going to look over the fact that most of those were born in NZ, or do you only do half your research with everything you do?

  • shane.harris.7564 - 2012-10-23 16:51

    Maybe SA need to stop poaching NZ coaches.......

  • benjamin.manuals - 2012-10-24 06:34

    Sour grapes..... 3 weeks ago after beating South Africa, he was the one that said NZ can still improve....well what a improvement it was!!!! well done Australia showing the world and particular South Africa how to play against the all blacks .... now after the draw he accuses Australia of stealing players .....what will he say when they loose...can just imagine

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