All Blacks 'are not thugs'

2012-11-26 07:49

Wellington - All Blacks' coach Steve Hansen says his players are not thugs and claims they would not intentionally injure an opponent.

According to website, while Hansen was coy about pre-empting Andrew Hore's punishment for the ugly swinging arm which left Welsh lock Bradley Davies hospitalised last night, it is clear the All Blacks expect their hooker to get a lengthy suspension.

"If there is an incident and if you've done it, you've done it. You've got to take accountability, ownership and responsibility for it," Hansen said today as the All Blacks departed Cardiff for the final week of their tour London.

"But what are the mitigating circumstances around that?"

The immediate outcry to Hore's act implied the All Blacks used thuggish, cowardly and disgraceful tactics. That perception in the northern hemisphere came to a head in 2010, after Keven Mealamu's head-butt on Lewis Moody.

"That's what happens every time we come up here. I think they think we're thugs or something but we don't play the game any different to anyone else," Hansen said.

"We don't go out there to do things intentionally." 

Hansen stanchly defended the All Blacks' disciplinary record in the calendar year as he moved to add some perspective to the niggling issue that will surround his team this week.

"We've shown plenty of times over the last 12 months that we're a disciplined side. You only have to look at the incidents that have surrounded Richie where we've not jumped in and made it a big scene," Hansen said.

However, on the European tour that clean image and emphasis on discipline has been tarnished by Adam Thomson's minor stomping incident in Edinburgh and Hore's king hit on Davies in Cardiff.

"We pride ourselves on playing good rugby. Yeah we're physical and we don't take any backward steps and we don't expect our opposition to do that either," Hansen said.

Hore's likely absence means changes are certain for the final Test of the season at Twickenham.

Mealamu has a history of problematic calf injuries and that could lead to a start for Dane Coles in just his fourth Test.

The frontrow could face further alterations with the All Blacks most capped prop Tony Woodcock carrying leg and hip complaints.


  • braam.groenewald.39 - 2012-11-26 08:20

    nope not thugs thats SA's status, Kiwis are cowards...... john smit and O'Driscal (missed the lions tour due to the injury from the spear) both was spear tackled, and no citing took place

      blip.noodlum - 2012-11-26 09:13

      The South African citing commissioner at the game in which O'Driscoll was spear-tackled declared that "Keven Mealamu and Tana Umaga have no case to answer". Note the nationality of that citing commissioner. - 2012-11-26 10:31

      fatboy smit should not have used Brad Thorn's head to help himself up, he got wot he deserved!! just a pity that fall didnt knock more sense into him!! and how can u call that a spear tackle, he picked him up and dropped him!! far from a spear tackle???? shame4u

      sean.bagley.50 - 2012-11-26 10:32

      Whether it be intent,premeditated,purposefully,the point is Hore knocked the Welsh player out and put him in a hospital.

      andrew.gordon.505523 - 2012-11-26 11:19

      @sean. And deserves a very heavy ban.

      caleb.drumm.1 - 2012-11-27 19:54

      Are they cowards if they have been pretty much smoking every team on the planet for the last decade?

      vark.nek.90 - 2012-11-27 21:11

  • vark.nek.90 - 2012-11-26 09:15

    What is new? Disgraceful and cowardly tactics have always been part of AB rugby.

      dave.roberts.182940 - 2012-11-26 09:30

      Actually being the best in the world have always been part of AB rugby. Your bitterness only inspires us world champions to be even better. I laugh so hard at your constant whining, it really has made my day, what a chump you are, ha ha ha. - 2012-11-26 10:28

      and playing boring kick and waste no brains no entertainment, being the biggest joke in rugby, has ALLWAYS been part of springsucks rugby... wot-a-knob-u-r!!!

      TravieGrif - 2012-11-26 12:35

      Pat, defending the actions of Hore and Thompson by attacking the manner in which the Springboks won their game is the response of a 5-year old. If you a true AB supporter, you will, like most Kiwis, man-up to the fact that the Hore's actions were nothing of a disgrace, and he will receive a lengthy ban. He is not the first Kiwi to behave like that, and will not be the last. No matter where you come from and who you play for or against...that behaviour does not belong on the rugby field and needs to be treated in the most serious light. Unfortunatly, Dave, there have been a string of incidents lately that are showing that the AB's do engage in more than their fair share of thuggery. Its easy to point fingers. Tougher to take responsibility.

      dave.roberts.182940 - 2012-11-27 08:37

      I guess it's only fair that Hore gets a one game ban to match that of Greyling. Very similar incidents (Hore is just way tougher than Deano).

      vark.nek.90 - 2012-11-27 20:57

      vark.nek.90 - 2012-11-27 22:30

      "New Zealand's decades-old reputation as thuggish has re-surfaced, with one British scribe writing: "The exit of Davies offers evidence to the case for the denial of brilliance to these All Blacks. They play lovely rugby but they are not lovely sportsmen." Read more:

  • charles.morton.581 - 2012-11-26 09:44

    Whilst the ABs are not generally known for "thuggery", Andrew Hore is.

  • brigitte.cowden - 2012-11-26 09:55

    The All Blacks just get away with more than other teams. They also get shorter bans than other teams.

      Flemstone - 2012-11-26 10:21

      Prove it. - 2012-11-26 10:34

      shame poor u!!

      deon.louw.7505 - 2012-11-26 11:15

      I agree. The AB captain got 1 week after spear tackle on John Smit where others got between 2 and 9 weeks for similar tackles. Last week the IRB decided a 1 week ban was not long enough for an AB player.

      goofree - 2012-11-26 12:14

      Because they have South African Refs and citing commissioners what do you expect

      Caleb - 2012-11-27 06:02

      Dont start comparing bans Deon, by your assumptions Hore should only get two weeks as thats what Greyling got, correct?

  • - 2012-11-26 10:07

    All blacks get preferential treatment.

      cape.maori - 2012-11-26 10:23

      That's because we are no 1 in the world! Finish en klaar! - 2012-11-26 10:48

      Ja why don't we sommer hand the the next cup already? I mean flights to the UK by then would be quite expensive....

      sharkie.fin - 2012-11-26 11:03

      @ cape.maori I hope Andrew WHORE gets a year ban.

      TravieGrif - 2012-11-26 12:37

      @cape.maori...what Andrew Hore and Adam Thompson did does not deserve respect. Worse than the disgraceful incident by Greyling. Hore hit from behind like a proper coward. No true AB or rugby supporter condones that.

      simone.dechandra.7 - 2012-11-26 14:52

      Cape Maori referring to New Zealand and their rugby team as "we" hahaha how's that citizenship coming along?

      Caleb - 2012-11-27 06:03

      @ Travie, how on earth is that worse than what Greyling did? McCaw did not see that coming either.

  • Spiessa - 2012-11-26 10:59

    Every team has some bad apples. That will never change, but at least I find the AB's entertaining to watch.

      goofree - 2012-11-26 12:05

      The best Rugby Entertainers at present

  • grant.burden.1 - 2012-11-26 11:01

    @Cape Maori. I could write a book on how many times the All Blacks have been given preferential treatment particularly since 2010. Whether it be penalties, cards or bans they always fall on the lenient side of the coin. Steve Hansens silence on the matter is almost as big a disgrace as what Hore did it just shows that he supports it! Can you imagine if this had happened to an All Black they would be jumping up and down and screaming for blood all this incident shows is that the All Blacks, Coach and (some) of their supporters are hypocrites.

      Caleb - 2012-11-27 06:10

      Re-preferential treatment since 2010- That is only from your point of view, and you have a vested interest in the game therefore your observations mean nothing because they are subjective. Of course you are going to say that the coin always falls on the side of the AB's when your team is playing them The only objective adjudicator is the ref, and if he is calling it like he sees it then he is a hell of alot more correct than you. And please do enlighten us with your so-called book on this preferential treatment, i bet i could counter with an equally long list of SA indiscretions that have gone unpunished. Everyone cries so much about the AB's getting off stuff yet they turn a blind eye to foul play or illegal tactics employed by other nations,i.e. Rougerie eye gauging McCaw in the WC final (its on tape and no citing occurred) you just love to try and tear down the best in the world dont you, but conveniently forget that all teams are doing it, including your precious Springboks

      grant.burden.1 - 2012-11-27 07:21

      @Caleb where in my post do I mention the Sprinboks? Everyone is biased towards their team and I acknowledge that so I take a close look when the All Blacks are playing Australia and other teams and my statement holds true for all the major teams they play. You are obviously an All Blacks supporter so you are as biased as I am. Andrew Hore is a thug this is backed up by a criminal conviction and the infamous seal slaughter incident! If you justify his actions in any way you support foul and illegal play, try taking off the blinkers some time!

  • dave.eden.18 - 2012-11-26 12:14

    The Way I see it is quite simple,,,The more The Northern Hemisphere Mainstream Media Give the All Blacks About Andrew,s action ,,The bigger the score against England.....

      TravieGrif - 2012-11-26 13:40

      Go on, mate. Justify his actions, why don't you. There is no amount of media abuse that Hore has not now brought on himself. I do not believe that any player will want to be associated with those actions. Cowardly and disgraceful. Says a lot about you if you justify it, and none of it is good!

  • spiekeries - 2012-11-26 17:33

    Went to a rugby game in nz, if you look at the locals' behavior you can understand the cheap shots and thuggery of their rugby team, bunch of savages

      Caleb - 2012-11-27 06:11

      Your an idiot, by that premise all South Africans must be rascist nazi loving pigs. Same dif.

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