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SA sport 'not yet transformed'

2011-11-15 17:08

Cape Town - Four years after the 2008 national sport indaba the country is still grappling with the same issues raised then, Sport and Recreation Minister Fikile Mbalula said on Tuesday.

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At the centre of the debates then was the issue of transformation where delegates recognised the slow pace and resistance to change in sporting circles, he told the National Assembly.

Delegates believed the journey to full transformation in sport was still far from over.

They cited "living examples in rugby and cricket that pointed out to lingering prejudices", he said.

"Four years down the line we are again sitting here grappling with the same issues as raised in the 2008 national sport indaba."

Next week's national sport indaba - on November 21 and 22 - was intended to reconstruct, revitalise, and transform the sport and recreation sector under the theme "from policy to practice, not just another Indaba", Mbalula said.

Among other things, the indaba would review the instruments, policies, strategies, and tactics relied upon over the past 16 years for the transformation of South African society. "Is there room for review and refinement?"

It would align the Sport and Recreation SA (SRSA) road map strategic priorities to current and future policies and legislation within the sector.

A transformation charter and delivery mechanisms for all sectors and role-players involved in sport and recreation would be fast-tracked.

It would set in motion campaigns, projects, strategies, and tactics that would "leap-frog" the sport and recreation sector into new realities and possibilities.

Providing facilities in disadvantaged communities within the context of the two economy analysis, while ensuring there was access, integration, quality, excellence, and global competitiveness, would also be dealt with, Mbalula said.

"We must all be combat ready to join all South Africans in the battle trenches for a non-racial, non-sexist, democratic, accessible, integrated, and united sport and recreation system today and beyond.

"Of cardinal importance, we must do so to chart a common vision, a common implementation plan, a common delivery mechanisms, across all spheres of government, for sport and recreation development and total transformation of our sector," said Mbalula.

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Comments
  • Ryan - 2011-11-15 17:21

    Hey Fikile, soccer is fully transformed ... fully transformed into a disaster.

      Ryan - 2011-11-15 17:29

      Fikile and the other delegates point to cricket and rugby as not fully transformed. maybe thats why they are still one of the best in the world. and Fikile doesnt complain that there are no white faces in Fafana. and where are Bafana, like 100 in the world ??? seems like these government okes just wanna screw up anything that actually works. I'd be totally fine with having a rugby or cricket team with mostly black players IF THEY ARE THE BEST IN THEIR POSITION. and thats the same way you should look at it Fikile.

      Phil.Kleynhans - 2011-11-15 18:09

      Completely true. Sport is not political game, it is a performance game. If you dont perform you dont come into cotension. If a team looses because they dont perform you loose supporters, spectators and sponsers. Then you sit without money and empty stadions. If you want to rule sport the way you run the ANC goverment, then the loss is unrecoverable.

      Johan - 2011-11-15 18:31

      @Ryan - "I'd be totally fine with having a rugby or cricket team with mostly black players IF THEY ARE THE BEST IN THEIR POSITION". That is exactly what I believe. I don't mind the race, sex, religion or any other "criteria" a person is labeled with, as long as they are the best. In 1994, I thought that in 10 year's time we would be the best in cricket and rugby because instead of 10% of the country playing, we would have all of it to choose from. However, soccer is still the main sport for most of the country. Many people don't even know of the Springboks. What these politicians don't understand is that we are sending a message to the world with our perfomances in sport. The world doesn't care what they look like. If they want to promote black players to the national teams then they should invest in the development of it (i.e. cricket and rugby) and not just give schools soccer balls. It's like giving children swimming lessons and wondering why they aren't being chosen to play the piano... must be racism right? Narrow-minded people...

      Go - 2011-11-15 18:33

      It P!sses me off that these idiots gripe and complain about transformation in sport but only focus on the sport teams that achieve i.e rugby and cricket ??? never mention of soccer, hockey athletics etc !!!!!!

      Dirk - 2011-11-15 18:33

      I believe a certain model will also be talking about transformation. Staying loyal to a spouse is terrible for transformation, and when a problem arises, kill it

      Go - 2011-11-15 18:38

      Concentrating on transformation in government would be a far more beneficial exercise to proceed with. get all the political "hookers" out and replace with competent government officials

      Anthony - 2011-11-15 19:48

      WERE do they find these guys the entire anc has about two braincells to share hahahaha

      Inky - 2011-11-15 20:53

      If this guy is the minister for sport and recreation then by his own words, he has failed to do his job. Surely it is his responsibility to have put the plans, processes and money in place to make transformation happen. No performance bonus for him!

      Sean - 2011-11-15 21:00

      couldn't agree with you more...

      Robert - 2011-11-15 21:01

      soccer.????????????

      Cyrus - 2011-11-15 21:06

      I think you guys miss the point. Yes we would all love to see the best players being chosen purely on merit and not race. But we have a grass root level. While our more affluent schools are prime grounds for grooming sportsman, its at the more "disadvantage" schools where grooming does not take place.And Lets face it, this is where all the so called "Blacks" and "coloureds" attend schools and this is why they do not come through the ranks like the fellow South Africans that attend "better" schools. if the Government really want to change then a road map has to start at primary school level.

      Robert - 2011-11-15 21:07

      Transformation - We have more idiots in government and sport when are we going to transform to smart people in government and sport. We have more corrupt people in government and sport - when are we going to transform to honest people in Government and sport.

      Van - 2011-11-15 21:30

      @Cyrus Very good point. Who's fault is it that township schools are not breeding quality sports results? I bet a tax office in the township would hit their targets year on year. Who destroyed the School sports body? My son played hockey and cricket at junior level. The only black child in the hokey was the adopted son of a white family. It was the same in the cricket side. We had to play clubs from the townships. Their teams werr nearly never full strenght when we played on their field. When they come to our field there will be reserves and the rest. Just because they get a free meal and drinks. If you can't find 12 under 10 boys in a township wanting to play cricket, who is to blame? The union pays for the taxi fairs and coaches.

      Robert - 2011-11-15 22:30

      Hey Robert Gumede now that the mostly white Lions won the curry cup what is your comment. I am talking about the provincial team and not ANCYL - The young Lions. I think you have wasted your corrupt money on the young LIONS donations and not the real Lions, RUGBY. You Might have thought or misconstrued them for it was not the Rude Underground Growth By Yourself movement. No my friend this is RUGBY. BTW I cannot believe you are in partnership with the most powerful guy in the old apartheid regime Roux Marnitz from Execujet . Well you step low. Interesting. http://www.btimes.co.za/97/0119/newsm/newsm.htm. Roux got rich out off oppression of blacks. Hitachi is Japanese. IBM withdrawal from SA during sanctions and Roux brokered Black market deals to get our Banks, SAPS, DOD and various organisations Mainframes. Now let's ask Robert - do you dance with the devil in the pail moon light. Question - From what movie was that. Money talks and Bullrobert walks. And you want transformation. Seems you are transforming to the old regime. Is your money running out and need back up from the oppressors child. Wow who are you? Has Julius, and your political cronies failed you. Nice move anyway. Go white and you see the light. You betrayed yourself and preached transformation - You are a real comrade. Does that mean Money in Xhosa or Zulu. Never understood the word comrade . I think it means coward with a lot of money made by the ones you flocking too. Whites comrade.

      Robert - 2011-11-15 22:56

      I just wish someone would investigate or have the guts to investigate Robert Gumede from Golf Jockey to IT believed king and know Aviation and heard nuclear power is in his path. My god save this country. Money does not make you smart. Please can they teach that in MBA, MBL. It is Really how you manage to create wealth in a smart way and not corrupt way and truly say what you mean care about people. The word brother distant from comrade is what pisses the wrong people. Now his he is mixing with Brother. The old regime. Wow he is a low life.

  • fishycraig - 2011-11-15 17:23

    There are 40 million odd blacks. Government is ANC. BEE/AA, whatever you want to call it. Stop whinging and whining and just go do it. R100 million on a birthday party for the ANC? Invest that in rural sports. Oh wait, we are expected to pick up the tab.

      mundu.olewega - 2011-11-15 18:50

      It's just another fat ANC flunky looking to noticed and trying to justify his pay. He says its "of Cardinal importance"...and that makes it so?

  • Terence - 2011-11-15 17:23

    It would be nice if the administrators would stop lining their own pockets in the name of "transformation". But then I suppose expecting them NOT to mimic their political masters is asking for a bit to much.

  • susan.greyling - 2011-11-15 17:28

    If they want a "non-racial, non-sexist, democratic, accessible, integrated, and united sport and recreation system today and beyond", does that mean they're going to let women play for the Springboks? If they want to mess it up with all this PC rubbish, why not go all the way?

      Heiku - 2011-11-15 17:34

      I dont think anybody would have an issue with a woman playing for the springboks if she was the best in her position. I actually thought about this recently. It would be pretty damn cool.

      jan.v.vuuren - 2011-11-15 17:48

      mmmm gonna need 2 change rooms

      Heiku - 2011-11-15 17:52

      Guess what? You dont need to change... you just rock up with your damn match kit on and there you go. Sounds like a non-issue to me.

      Van - 2011-11-15 23:51

      Woman as a hooker :)

  • Wilma - 2011-11-15 17:33

    Does that mean that you are satisfied with transformation in soccer Min.F?

  • colin.dovey - 2011-11-15 17:34

    All I see are barren Soccer sports fields....the very place where RAMPANT and urgent transformation IS required as a matter of urgency. He should stop meddling with and muddling up what true talent comes to the top. At top level, political interference will ultimately make us the laughing stock of the world. I have NO issue, for example, with EVERY member of the American Basketball team being black - White men can't jump (they say) - Why does he not look at why so few black people are not represented in Water Sports? The simple reason is that there is a abysmal LACK of facilities. THAT is where this nincompoop of a politician should be applying his talents.

  • sfrancoisdevries - 2011-11-15 17:35

    Why is transformation needed? Players should enter the national teams on merit and not on the colour of their skin... Tradionally, soccer is a black sport in SA and rugby and cricket are a white sport. Why then are the government surprised to see more white people in the rugby and cricket teams and more black people in the soccer teams? I'd hate to see our good cricket and rugby teams turned into the pathetic state that bafana is in...

  • Shoe - 2011-11-15 17:37

    The process may be slow. Fair enough. But it is not as slow as getting Black males in positions of power to be faithful, honest, trustworthy, deligent, and scrupulous. Get that Mr Condom-Burst

  • Robert - 2011-11-15 17:49

    To say that transformation in sport is too slow is nonsense, one cannot get on to any team unless you have worked your way up the ladder.Club level, provincial then national.Who or what is stopping people from participating in sports? no one but themselves, So shaddup get off your backsides & change your attitude. You cannot expect what you want to be simply given to you, You attain your goal if you work towards it.

  • Juan.pike - 2011-11-15 17:50

    he's tryna say theres too many white people in the springbok team, thats all.

      Heiku - 2011-11-15 17:54

      lol yes well spotted. Politicians sure do beat around the bush..

      Anthony - 2011-11-15 20:00

      thats were they belong

      Heiku - 2011-11-16 09:27

      ^ LOL

  • Freddy Williams - 2011-11-15 17:53

    Dear Minister what do you mean by transformation??? Is it to get non performing BEE coaches like Pitso who don't have a clue on what to do??? Pls give us a break!

  • Skinfaxi - 2011-11-15 17:58

    If non-white South Africans are so interested in cricket and rugby why don’t we see them packed into our stadiums the way we see with soccer? Do you really think it is fair to say that as a race, by and large they don’t want to be involved in a sport as spectators but still receive representation proportional to general population?

      Jack - 2011-11-15 19:02

      The fact is that south africa blacks are the smallest in africa in terms of physical size.... they simply cannot compete with the muscular size and raw power of the white man, hence they will never be good at rugby, they in turn are quick at running with a round ball. That's just the way it is.

      Skinfaxi - 2011-11-15 19:15

      Jack I'm not talking about the players I'm talking about the spectators. Why are more than 90% of the spectators at most cricket and rugby matches white?

      Van - 2011-11-15 23:58

      They are not prepared to pay more than R15 per game.

  • Jonathan - 2011-11-15 18:03

    All this talk of transformation - what you have really created is a whole new generation of racists. Talented kids can not be picked for representative sides because they are white - what a joke we have become. No wonder so many young players are leaving this country to play in the UK, Australia, New Zealand and other places. Sport is professional, winners make the most money - Government dictating selection policy that might weaken a team is ridiculous. South Africa - the only country in the world that has laws to protect the elected majority.

  • Glenn - 2011-11-15 18:04

    You can take a horse to water but you cant make it drink.

  • Errol - 2011-11-15 18:08

    Break break break!!Whatever the whites(and a few blacks( are good at...BREAK!!!

  • Epher - 2011-11-15 18:10

    This Idiot should reform himself! What does he want 100% Black representation, its is not really a question.

  • Dalai - 2011-11-15 18:14

    The France National Footbal Team is not transformed, its members are blacks and people of middle eastern origin. This is in a country where the majority are whites. South Africa's obsession with race never ceases to amaze this Dalai Rama.

      Van - 2011-11-15 23:59

      Are they selected because they are black?

  • Dalai - 2011-11-15 18:16

    "He should reform how he uses his other head first!" This statement is coming from the Dalai Rama.

  • Kevin - 2011-11-15 18:20

    Sport is not about transformation. It is about winning at all costs,regardless of colour .But then again there are rules and consequences for quick sex. Eventually we all find it out . Some just pay more maintenance.

  • Skinfaxi - 2011-11-15 18:34

    This is just Robin Hood politics - Make yourself popular with the many by giving them something that belongs to the few. Nothing new about it. Mugabe did it, Juju wants to do it – is it any wonder that others will use the same tactic. Fikile Mbalula have you forgotten that the Springbok coach is PDV? Why don’t you fire him for not speeding up transformation? I’ll tell you why. Because if you had forced transformation on Div they way you did on JW then you would have embarrassed him and made SA’s first non-white coach look bad.

  • eblockwatch - 2011-11-15 18:37

    So is cricket

  • eblockwatch - 2011-11-15 18:39

    Maybe is your run parliment with the best person for the position we will do well there too.

  • colin.crowther2 - 2011-11-15 18:40

    The thing that annoys me here is that they don't see the big picture - If it aint broke then don't fix it.If you have a national team doing well , investers will pump money into a sport or team based on sponsorship which in turn creates jobs as there is other supporting industries that are needed to promote a successful team ,ie Banking ,Medical ,Insurance ,manufacturing of sporting gear , catering and the list goes on. Ok we now have a problem based on race and lack of People of colour not coming through the ranks - and why is this? No Don't blame apartheid as this excuse is 16 years old.Corruption , yes this is a better word , in fact I can see the word gleaming from the eyes of those in charge (Ministers of Quota). If the distribution of wealth was pumped into Black Schooling ,Education ,Sporting and recreational facilaties and a support network put in place to control ,organise and manage this structure of growth well maybe in time you may have People of colour representing their country or team at a higher level. I also believe a lack of ethic and intellect has a major part to play as a reason why transformation is not running it's course, but hey I don't want to discriminate.

  • Coen - 2011-11-15 18:42

    Ryan, isn't it obvious, we don't need to compete, we just need to be black.....

  • Sphesihle - 2011-11-15 18:43

    16 years on, it is statements like these that often make me feel embarrassed of being black, colour has nothing to do with our sad if not ridiculous performances, ask yourself as a sports minister what do i know about sports? what makes a team? and how is a team/organization effectively managed .you can not take john at the security office and make him manager the next day, as much as you cant take people who cant read let alone understand the difference between "in" and "out" to run and administer a organization of national pride, most of the grandpas sitting at the SAFA house are jokers wearing suits and ties with no clue of what is expected of them, one thing i admire about the apartheid era is that those cruel monsters invested in their children's educational and sporting needs and aspirations, when you have time drive around the townships and look at the state of most schools sports facilities( that's if they do have) and grounds, then go to white schools and look at how much has been invested into sports.why is it still like this 16 years on, (one of the many questions you should ask yourself) is it because we just don't care? no wait the white people are still here (SA) thus we cant fully grow and develop RIGHT, or are we waiting for them to actually build them for us and give them a weird name before we wake up and realize we can do things without having a head start or handicapping our opponents( competition)..all BABA MANDELA wanted for all is a level playing field

      Leon - 2011-11-15 20:21

      sphesihle i read the other story before yours also a black person and i said to myself f@k this and them from now on flip the blacks i am a racist then i read your storie and then it changes again Its people like you who also wants to move forward and have S.A as one nation and at the end of the day it is for our kids its time as a nation to stand together and demand from them better sport grounds and and

      Gregory - 2011-11-16 08:05

      Sphesihle, from another person of colour, you could not have said it better!! They should send your post to Fikile to read.

  • Pieter - 2011-11-15 19:22

    You know quite well that the majority is not interested in cricket and rugby. Talk to the man in the street and you will realise that the vast majority don't have interest in these sports. Stop bullying us!!

      Elaine - 2011-11-15 20:01

      In fact rugby now has a huge black following, you only have to look at the stands at a big game. And the 'crowds' at a soccer match are laughable.

  • Fred - 2011-11-15 19:29

    Hey Fikile, when my white uncle Neil Tovey was captain of Bafana we got results because he led a team of mostly black players who were the best in their position. It's very simple, best man for the job is what should count!!! Wake up china, you've got no idea...

  • John - 2011-11-15 19:59

    If you're really serious about transforming, do it on school level. Provide proper schools, teachers, coaches for the young. The only reason why transformation is failing is because the system which you silly chaps implemented is completely ludicrous. The biggest portion of our budget should have been set aside for educational purposes. If you had done so in 1994 already, Today would have been completely different. It's not rocket science. You fix a problem by fixing the root of it. Now. let's all go play Skyrim

  • Elaine - 2011-11-15 19:59

    Yes he's right. Soccer needs to be transformed, too many black people in bafana!

  • Rob - 2011-11-15 20:04

    Keep it up, transform everything so that blacks don't need to compete and achieve on an equal footing with whites. The outcome will be to erode the value and prestige of any achievement, it will become meaningless. That is what happens when you are handed anything that you do not genuinely deserve. The answer is to develop and ensure absolute equality of access regardless of who you are, strive to let everyone compete on an equal footing. That is where the resources need to be applie;

  • Sean - 2011-11-15 20:21

    @ Fikile Mbalula - Myabe you and the rest of the ANC government should rather be transformed in to honest people , instead f@cking up a once beautiful country ! The ANC already f@cked up more than half the country , now you want to f@ck up the sport as well !!

  • aiazmir - 2011-11-15 20:42

    It is a political ploy. Be seen to be making the "right noises" about cricket and rugby, two sports in which we have achieved excellence, and you're OK. All the comments above are "same old, same old" because the approach makes no sense.. Why for instance does soccer not have a policy for encouraging whites? It's irrational.

  • Robert - 2011-11-15 21:04

    Transformation - We have more idiots in government and sport when are we going to transform to smart people in government and sport. We have more corrupt people in government and sport - when are we going to transform to honest people in Government and sport.

  • fboto - 2011-11-15 21:17

    Grass roots, dear minister, that's where you should put your efforts. Make sure that every child in your country has access to the practice of sport at school level, the rest takes care of itself. Give the people the right and the economic power to choose what sports careers they want to follow. The statistical truth is that whites prefer rugby, cricket and swimming, and blacks prefer football and athletics. There there should be absolutely nothing wrong with that. Please stop prescribing and start supporting your country's sport structures.

  • Frikkie - 2011-11-15 21:37

    Wat van sokker, jou snot?

  • Claude - 2011-11-15 22:17

    What's the use to comment on such idiot reflexions

  • Kevin Nicklin - 2011-11-15 22:21

    Not one white player featured in the fielded bafana bafana team at WC 2010. Where is the transformation or fairness in that? Minister, get your priorities right before barking up the wrong tree!

  • ijjoubert - 2011-11-15 22:31

    Please send a complete black swimming team to the next Olympics !!!

  • michaelpayne99 - 2011-11-15 22:32

    'Providing facilities in disadvantaged communities within the context of the two economy analysis, while ensuring there was access, integration, quality, excellence, and global competitiveness, would also be dealt with, Mbalula said.' That`s actually somewhat intelligent (although I haven't the faintest clue as to what the 'two economy analysis' means). As long as they address the real issues of transformation (equal access to development), then we`re on the right track. People of all color and socio economic backgrounds should have the same opportunities, that`s just common sense and totally fair, and it pisses me off that the government hasn't been giving black kids a fair start in sport Just don't come with the attitude of effing quotas, because that`s beyond stupid and has been proven as such And I don't even like sport

  • Niki - 2011-11-15 22:47

    Non-sexist? Half the rugby team should be women in future?

  • Kyle - 2011-11-15 22:48

    Why does the government never speak about transformation in soccer?

  • Warren Kilian - 2011-11-15 22:53

    So until you have all national teams being black you won't be happy? Even at the expense of being the best and having the best team on the field ... Sad!!! Why can't it just be the best team that gets selected at all times, if soccer is all blacks and rugby is all white and we performing then so be it... Can't wait for the Olympic disaster to unfold next year, embarrassing!!!!

  • Robert - 2011-11-15 22:55

    I just wish someone would investigate or have the guts to investigate Robert Gumede from Golf Jockey to IT believed king and know Aviation and heard nuclear power is in his path. My god save this country. Money does not make you smart. Please can they teach that in MBA, MBL. It is Really how you manage to create wealth in a smart way and not corrupt way and truly say what you mean care about people. The word brother distant from comrade is what pisses the wrong people. Now his he is mixing with Brother. The old regime. Wow he is a low life.

  • Robert - 2011-11-15 22:56

    I just wish someone would investigate or have the guts to investigate Robert Gumede from Golf Jockey to IT believed king and know Aviation and heard nuclear power is in his path. My god save this country. Money does not make you smart. Please can they teach that in MBA, MBL. It is Really how you manage to create wealth in a smart way and not corrupt way and truly say what you mean care about people. The word brother distant from comrade is what pisses the wrong people. Now his he is mixing with Brother. The old regime. Wow he is a low life.

  • duane.vanvuuren - 2011-11-15 23:05

    Slighty off the topic now, but there is a point. The Rugby World Cup finished just last month. In Cape Town alone it was almost impossible for me to even walk down the street or walk into a shopping mall without there being some non white douche bag wearing an All Black rugby jersey and cheering the opposition on to score against the Boks. Until that (as petty as it may sound) is sorted out you will never achieve transformation and equality in South Africa.

  • dave.cohen2 - 2011-11-16 05:31

    Good bye Proteas and Springboks. You will soon be on a par with our bungling Bafana Bafana bufoons!!! Soon we will have to qualify for the Rugby World Cup and Cricket World Cups.

  • Paul - 2011-11-16 05:41

    Can anyone tell me why we even have a Ministry of Sport? Does this country not have issues that are of far greater concern for the well being of our people? Do we not have far more pressing needs?

  • Peter - 2011-11-16 06:31

    I get sick whenever someone dishes up this rubbish yet again. One's culture often dictates the type of sport one may become involved in. The only way to make all sport fully representative of the people groups in South Africa is to first wipe out all cultural differences. Stop harping on the impossible - to (hope to) gain some political clout! If you have nothing to say, please sit down and shut up.

  • Renny - 2011-11-16 06:39

    erm Mr. Mbalula, let me put this as nicely as possible, GO F..K YOURSELF!

  • Danny - 2011-11-16 07:57

    THE SOONER THEY GET RID OF YOU THE BETTER, THEN SPORT WILL TRANSFORM AT A PACE THAT IS BEST FOR THE SPORT. IS IT TRANSFORMATION THAT PITSO EARNS R850,000 A MONTH AND LOOK AT THE SHAMBLES SOCCER IS IN! GET OUT!