Quotas will stay - minister

2011-11-22 19:33

Johannebsurg - It was too early to scrap quotas in South African sport, Sports Minister Fikile Mbalula said on Tuesday.

On the final day of the National Sport and Recreation Indaba in Midrand, during discussions on transformation in the plenary, it was decided that the quota system could not be scrapped while the transformation charter and the transformation scorecard would be adopted into the Nation Sports Plan.

During the final session of the transformation commission, where the resolutions were to be passed, there was widespread division on whether the system should be scrapped or reinstated.

“The indaba acknowledged the challenges and limitations with regard to the implementation of the quota system in its current form and the negative effects of this system in deepening racial polarisation,” Mbalula said.

“To this end, the indaba observed the unfortunate and painful stigma imposed on young black athletes and players as a result of the application of this archaic system.”

With the rigorous debate surrounding this contentious issue, it was decided that the quota system would not be scrapped, and the merit system would also not be undermined.

“However, a strong case has been made for the uninterrupted continuation of the quota system through the direct selection of black players into national codes, using the adopted scorecards contained in the transformation charter,” Mbalula said.

“You will still have that particular programme [quota system], but at the same time that programme will be enhanced by a visible and clear transformation charter.

"Federations and everybody else will be held accountable in terms of what we seek to achieve as a nation about integration, equity and accessibility in terms of different sporting codes.”

Rugby in particular came under fire, with SA Rugby Union (SARU) president Oregan Hoskins defending his federation.

Hoskins admitted the sport had not progressed as much as it could have in terms of transformation, but he invited more black people to get involved in rugby.

“It will not help to talk only in this forum. I also experienced the worst form of apartheid and the fact of the matter is that I am democratically elected [as SARU president],” Hoskins said.

“So I urge my comrades with the expertise to make yourselves available to the rugby unions and SARU to have a say.

"To effect change in rugby we have to start in the boardroom because, as you know, most of my brothers in rugby are white.”

Hoskins said he would seek clarity from Mbalula and the Sports Ministry as to what had been decided regarding quotas.

“We have heard the decision and that is contrary to what the Minister had said earlier - that quotas had been done away with," Hoskins said.

"The indaba has decided that quotas should not be done away with, so we will meet as SA rugby to discuss the effect of what has happened here.”


  • Graeme - 2011-11-22 19:43

    This is getting effing boring now. Build a bridge, get over it already. Each new minister rehashes this and each time it dies a miserably planned and poorly implemented death. Merit or nothing.

      Renny - 2011-11-22 19:47

      @Graeme - Spot On!

      Johncarlos ? Biza - 2011-11-22 20:36

      I agree Graeme. I sympathize with athletes who work hard and are talented, but have their selection tainted by the 'quota' stigma. I hope people are aware that the problem is a few politicians and they do not fight each other over something that's not of their doing. Focus on development and leave it there. This article, together with the secrecy bill, sounds like something from 1980s SA.

      Thomas - 2011-11-22 21:18

      Is this what these "Pea-Brains" could come up with!!! After 17yrs they still sing the same tune, fixing this means hard work something they don't know too much about!!! Fixing starts at grassroots level as every one with at least one brain cell has been telling them from the start, but that means they have to get up of their "Fat Arses" and work!!!!!!!!

      Thomas - 2011-11-22 21:24

      Mickey Arthur and his new bosses must be rolling on the floor in the boardroom laughing their heads off!!!!! The Banana brains are at it again, 17yrs and nothings changed soon SA won't be a threat in any sports code!!!!!!!

      adrien.mcguire - 2011-11-22 21:59

      If I am not mistaken, all or most sporting codes, do not allow political interference in sport. Does South Africa have a special dispensation or do we just ignore the rules. I have said many times , that I do not care what colour our sports teams are, but I do care that they are the best players available. In South Africa, we have the constant ability to reduce everything to the lowest common denominator, instead of striving to be the best or for excellence. Look at the effects of putting unqualified people in positions. SAA, Denel and Eskom , and most of the Government, are examples that immediately come to mind. The commecial enterprises were once world class businesses and now they are stuff ups. All now propped up by taxpayers money after huge golden handshakes to get rid of the unqualified people put in the top positions by the government. When will they ever learn that you cannot put 2nd stringers in teams and expect them to perform against the best in the world.You do more damage to the players , fans and the sports themselves by insane selection criteria. Get rid of quotas and strive for excellence and those that are good enough will make it to the top, with all the support of the fans and the sports will florish with all the talent we have available to us..

      Blip - 2011-11-22 22:52

      If you operate a race-quota then EVERYONE who is of the approved race is, by definition, a quota player. It doesn't matter if they're the best in the world. They're still "quotas". Can't get away from that.

      Spyker - 2011-11-22 23:33

      Hey, did this idiot not say the diametric OPPOSITE a few days ago..??!! I think the Corruption Protection Bill (aka The Protection of State Information Bill) is really intended to save the ANC from itself - eg it will contradict itself in as little as one word.., a single letter, if it was possible it seems. @adrien.mcguire.., An issue that has conveniently been 'overlooked' = eg the Super Series (now the S15) requires teams to select the best players available for teams. Rotation is allowed, but the 'pool' has to be the best players available - QUOTAS is a profound bridge of the contract. In fact 'quotas' are in gross violation of the Codesa agreement - the agreement was that if two candidates are equal, the 'previously disadvantaged' had to be selected. I suspect it was quickly realised that one side of the said 'agreement' will NEVER be the equal. Affirmative Action has not worked, ANYWHERE in the world - in fact, there are certain states in the USA that has (subsequently) declared it illegal. SUGGESTION - why not tackle (hint, hint) it the New Zealand way: they have pursued it unashamedly. Take the 'NZ Maori rugby union team' as an example. Have an unashamedly (bold) BLACK RUGBY UNION CLUB- and team. Let them be embarrassed beyond words at first - guaranteed, they will come back more determined and before you know it we will have 15 world class players. The ANC freaks simply do not get it: you cannot force people apart, equally, you cannot force them together...

      Sean - 2011-11-23 01:39

      Like I said a week or two ago , A LEOPARD CAN NOT CHANGE HIS SPOTS !!!!!

      Dirk - 2011-11-23 07:42

      They should introduce quotas in govt- thats the only way we will see even a sign of efficiency.

      adrien.mcguire - 2011-11-23 17:17

      @ Spyker Thanks for the great comment

  • goyougoodthing - 2011-11-22 19:43

    Stupid racists can't see quote cause more division than they are worth. Stupid racist government.

      Fred - 2011-11-22 20:52

      All that a quota system does (and BEE) is to reinforce the perception that people with dark skins cannot compete on equal terms with people with pale skins. This is not the case in most other countries so it is, with a few notable exceptions, a South African phenomenon. 17 years and you cannot blame apartheid any more. What is needed is to to find out why black athletes and sportsmen (look at the soccer players) are failing so abysmally and to take steps to help them improve their skills.

  • mastersvoice - 2011-11-22 19:47

    I really don't care, to be honest. Don't really follow South African sport any more - its become too much of a circus! Administrators have suddenly become far too important, and politicians are far too involved.

      Craig - 2011-11-22 20:52

      Seems like "the sport" is the last thing an administrator worries about. The big fat salary, bounus and and overseas trips are the ultimate prize...

      koosterlaak - 2011-11-22 21:07

      Well said, that's exactly how I feel, I couldn't feel less anymore. It is a circus, a circus of clowns cashing in on something that they really know so little about, In fact, they're cashing into most things that they know so very little about, sport notwithstanding!

      Alan - 2011-11-23 12:12

      Always detested losing to Australia whether in cricket or rugby. Couldn't care less now, in fact I feel more like the coloureds during the 60's and 70's who used to cheer when our opponents scored against us. The first time I heard Pieter de Villiers talk I knew then we had little chance of defending the WC so I didn't bother to invest four years of emotional involvement in our successes/failures like I did when Jake was developing his team. They can have the sports arena to themselves now as far as I'm concerned because its on the fast track to being dead and buried - as soccer already is.

  • Francois - 2011-11-22 19:49

    Nr Mbaasloelah, please tell us when the or under what conditions will the quota system be scrapped so that we can get there fast? No rugby coach or cricket or whatever sports discipline will omit a PDI player if that player is the best that that province's or national coach can find. Habana in 2007, Pietersen, Beast, Du Jongh, Aplon are all examples. (To the blue bull supporters, this is not a provincial bantering, if you think the Olivier is better, so be it, but read it also in the context that some of these players are the best Allister could find or buy). Then Minister do you want to put national pride at the expense of transformation and not let the best players play even if they are white? Then you are back to mixing sport with politics thus no more gold medals for a Josiah Thugwane. If that is the case, all national and provincial couches, select just black players for the next five years and let us get this done and over with. Mr Mbalula, just one last question, what about all those non- white kids that are attending traditional white schools like Pretoria Boys High? Do they get two shots? What about once transformed always transformed, if you can get that principle into sport and into your party's mindset, you will even get a majory white vote.

  • Eduard - 2011-11-22 19:53

    this Government is more racist than the previous one; not a day goes by without them saying something about the colour of peoples' skins! The apparent non-racial society is a farce! When is the ANC ever going to forget bout the colour of people's skins?

  • Christopher Hart - 2011-11-22 20:08

    The quota system was doomed from the start. Yes the system is unfair but if I were chosen to represent the national side for any sport I would want to be chosen because of my talent and skill and not because of my skin colour. In fact I think that if 'x' number of people of colour are to be chosen for our rugby or cricket teams, then the same number must be applied for white people to be played in our soccer teams.

      Robert - 2011-11-22 20:58

      I agree with you 100%. Play on a team based on your skill & commitment NOT skin colour!

  • Dylan - 2011-11-22 20:15

    Quotas stays - Standards drop. Its like 1 + 1 fikile...(Thats was maths I just did).

      Craig - 2011-11-22 20:57

      Me thinks that Fikile was in the woodwork class with Malema at the time he should have been in maths.

  • Dylan - 2011-11-22 20:20

    I am glad Quantas will stay. They are a good airline fikile...

      Johncarlos ? Biza - 2011-11-22 20:37

      Didn't they have a strike recently? So many strikers to choose as Bafana quota players

  • Neil - 2011-11-22 20:39

    heheh this is SUCH a surprise. I think this is the part where we all act all surprised.. ok GO!! oops, I tried too hard & farted! :P

      Robert - 2011-11-22 21:00

      I know i heard you.

  • gvangreunen - 2011-11-22 20:53

    Jou Ma se QUOTA!

  • Craig - 2011-11-22 21:04

    The minister has "spoken". ... And even if everyone rejects the Quota system, the buddies will just push it through like they did today.

  • Andries - 2011-11-22 21:04

    Can you not see that we are losing just about everything at the moment? And it is not the competitors but the management. Fix that, and then we'll see the results. A winning culture will bring more success... proven. But you a-holes keep on barking up the same tree! Go check Einstein's definition of insanity and see if you can see the similarities.

  • Ben - 2011-11-22 21:04

    So I assume that soccer is not classified as a sport?

  • Ben - 2011-11-22 21:06

    The European clubs love your quota system Mr never played any sport in your sick life at all.

  • Bokfan - 2011-11-22 21:17

    This Mbalula seems to shoot from the lip. Another yob league product all talk and no deliver. I have seen this quota system up close at junior rugby level. It is a disaster. Fantastic talent is lost because there are too many of this and not enough of that in the kiddy provincial sides. I am sure all of it in absolute contravention of all universal sporting principles and conventions. And this is not sour grapes. My lightie makes the team every time but some of the ones who get dropped would have, and often did, when given the chance, make all the difference. Meanwhile those that rode in on the colour ticket were too often an embarrassment. Fact is many of the black and coloured kids are freakin brilliant rugby players and I'd say that many whom I have seen would make any team anywhere anytime. So whats the quota for then? To help the undeserving get an extra place over the deserving. At the very least there should be a 2nd tier below provincial level where the race rejects can ply their talents. That way they wont be lost to sport or to the principle that hard work, commitment and talent are the keys to success. On top of that the bloody adminstrators swan around on the tours and the tournaments acting like gods gift when they are just a bunch of mediocre greedy pompous poephols. Both white and black.

  • Karoo - 2011-11-22 21:34

    Some of us see the benefit of maintaining some quotas below Springbok level to increase the feederpool for African merit selection to the Bok team. But non-merit selections at national level is, on balance, a self defeating strategy. If we do not field our best team at National level, we will be denied the nation building glory through success at international level, including holding aloft a RWC. Blacks and Whites do not hug each other in the street when we lose, but we sure do when we win a World Cup. So please Mr. Mbalula, be careful how high up you take the quota system.

      Blip - 2011-11-22 22:48

      No quotas at ANY representative level is the way to go. Merit and only merit. Even at U13 provincial level. You're REPRESENTING the best in your province, after all! It's not a training squad.

  • Blip - 2011-11-22 22:44

    So, no change? Then the backsliding of SA sport will continue, unchecked. Bringing Phys Ed back into schools during timetabled periods won't make any difference either -- PE is no substitute for after-hours extramural sport. And Sadtu teachers in "black" schools just won't comply -- they head off home at 2.30pm every day as they've always done. In "white" schools those teachers don their tracksuits, go coaching at least twice or thrice a week and go home at 5.30. That's just part of their job..

  • Gareth - 2011-11-23 00:39

    Simple equation really - if you pick a team on anything but merit the result will show how effective the method is. Seems winning is not a priority for these bunch of narrow minded morons.

      adrien.mcguire - 2011-11-23 17:22

      And in the case of rugby they will destroy one of the greatest brands in sport

  • james.kukard - 2011-11-23 08:41

    We have a primary school in town 70% black and 30% white and our rugby went backwards because they don't want to play rugby and we are forced to play them. They wanted to start playing soccer and the management said fine, but the parents must assist them, that was two years ago and they never even started properly before it was stopped because the parents said they don't have the time to get involved. Minister, YOU can take a donkey to water but you can't force him to drink!!!!!

  • Kevin - 2011-11-23 09:27

    Why do the indigeni blame the White man for their black skin..?

  • Emanuele - 2011-11-23 10:44

    When will this end? When all teams are 70% black? What if this never happens? Can I tell my son that he has a future in SA 10 yrs from now if he is going to be judged on the color of his skin before anything else? Should I trust that he will be spared the same racial categorizing that my fellow black South African went through during the dark days of Apartheid? It seems that on the evidence not. Yes I know I come across as a white victim but maybe that is because that is what we are all becoming. I never thought that was ever going to be part of our history again but it seems I was wrong.

      Mandy - 2011-11-23 13:18

      Everything in this country is so screwed up these days! Remember how good everyone felt in the early "Nelson Mandela" era! There was such promise! - Finally, a Rainbow Nation! (I always hated apartheid)! I was so proud of my country. Our pride reflected in the sports arena - oh - but that was then. Now we are run by moronic greedy black Aholes. Our education was always brilliant - its a joke now. Our hospitals - world reknown - pathetic now! Our roads, our military and indeed our sport - and everything else in between - being pulled through the political arses of our country "leaders" - HA LOL! The only thing they lead is the ever widening road to corruption!

  • Christopher - 2011-11-23 12:46

    So are there quotas in soccer then because I don't see too many white guys playing for bafana bafana or whatever the name is now after that guy had the rights??

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