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Tweets taunt trounced Poms

2012-01-19 16:13

Rob Houwing, Sport24 chief writer

Cape Town - When a Test cricket team cops a heavy defeat they will quickly incur the wrath of their press and public ... and nowadays there is the acidic world of Twitter to only compound the misery.

ICC No 1-ranked England’s amazing capitulation within three days to Pakistan in the first Test in Dubai on Thursday has been no exception.

Tweeters from around the planet have been quick to respond to the upset, with some self-deprecating British humour very much part of the mix.

Former England opening batsman Graeme Fowler suggested: “England’s batting: if their brains were made of gunpowder, they wouldn’t have enough to blow their hats off!”

Commentator Jonathan Agnew (@Aggerscricket) said: “The question after this is ‘how quickly can the best team in the world learn and adapt?’ Interesting to see.”

Cricinfo humorist and observer Andy Zaltzman (@ZaltzCricket) put the slaughter into statistical perspective: “STAT ALERT: First time since 1988 that England have lost their 7th wicket for less than 100 in both innings of a Test.”

Less-than-impressed former England captain Michael Vaughan put it particularly bluntly: “Poor ... that’s all I will say.”

Test Match Special commentator Simon Mann, restoring a lighter touch, said:  “This is a very unbalanced England team. You simply can’t go into a Test match with no batsmen ...”

Andrew Miller, editor of The Cricketer magazine in the UK, noted: “When England lose, they really do get clobbered. Inns in Kingston, Leeds & Joburg. 267 runs in Perth.”

British-born but now US-based CNN heavyweight presenter Piers Morgan said: “Great morning to be somewhere (Charleston) where they think cricket is an insect. #DubaiDebacle.”

Meanwhile prolific South African sports tweeter @Followthebounce couldn’t resist a dig at Kevin Pietersen, who scored two and nought in Dubai: “Unlucky with only getting 2 runs this Test, @kevinpp24.  All of us back here in SA really feel for you.”

And former Proteas bowling coach Vincent Barnes (@VincentBarnes50) made the following observation: “Commentators always say how (Eoin) Morgan is such a good player of spin. Yet spin always gets him out!”
 

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Comments
  • Beth - 2012-01-19 16:30

    As always, they can dish it out in spadefuls, but are so sensitive when they're on the receiving end! The commentary on Cricinfo was saying how inconclusive two of Billy Bowden's decisions were today; something like"... Strauss' dismissal was inconclusive and a big blow to England, whereas Pakistan only lost one of their tailenders to an inconclusive decision." Again, when they're benefiting from unfortunate/inconclusive decisions it's a case of "the rub of the green", but when they're the ones who are impacted upon them and their commentators always have so much to say.

      Mike - 2012-01-19 16:44

      What do you think will happen in the second test Beth?

      David - 2012-01-19 17:32

      Beth, someone ought to tell these guys that once you are given 'out' it is out! That's conclusive. Look at the scoreboards; there is no 'iffy' or 'bad luck' column.

      Ian - 2012-01-19 17:44

      Pakistan will whitewash the poms

      Beth - 2012-01-19 19:32

      @ Mike - way too many people and international teams underestimate the Pakistan side. I'd actually like to see Pakistan win the series. When England have a genuine team of Englishmen, and I mean born and bred, then perhaps the rest of the world can take them more seriously. Cricket is a funny old game and anyone who sticks their neck out to say who will win any game is brave. When the South African players in the team, particuarly the likes of Pietersen and Trott do well, England and particularly their commentators and supporters state that they are now fully fledged Englishmen; however, the reverse is true when they fail or, as in Pietersen's case, embarass the ECB. Then they want it to be understood that these men are not 'True Brits', they merely have British Citizenship through marriage or for having qualified to play for England having lived in the country for the specified period. For me, the only team that can in the past 10 or so years say they were truly the No. 1 Test Team, are the Aussies. Love them or hate them they have,up until a season or two ago, had every right to be 'arrogant' and laud it over the other teams. England on the other hand, who for many years have not featured too highly in the rankings, now believe they are simply awesome and their supporters in particular make the most brash and outrageous statements. Whether or not you and others are in agreement with me, that is my take on the situation.

  • Arthur - 2012-01-19 16:47

    Morgan (that's capital M, small organ) can't play spin. Bet no English batsman got a tan in 30 deg C Dubai!

  • Heiku - 2012-01-19 17:02

    Heres a "tweet" -- VAT SO POMMIES!

  • Ian - 2012-01-19 17:43

    news 24 you go on about number 1 ranked england, listen they got to number 1 by playing the then number 1 ranked test side INDIA, on english turf, england like there indian counterparts are miserable travellers, england always get thrashed on the sub continent, just like india are getting carrots on juicy bouncy ozzie pitches, I am just saying what Beth has already said, the poms are thr worst losers on the planet, another thing , everyone makes a racket about Smith but what about Strauss, even worse, The Steyn Remover has always had his number

      David - 2012-01-19 18:25

      I agree with much of what you say--but they are not miserable travellers-they murdered the Aussies in Australia last year,and also did well here.

      Ian - 2012-01-19 19:22

      Good Point David, but what I am saying is if you want to keep the number 1 spot you have to to adapt to all conditions, eg look at Hash and AB and company both here, aus, england and the sub continent, AB in a certain test in england batted for 3 days with Hash to save that test after england post 500 and lots and skittled us for 160, we followed on and saved the game.

  • Dave - 2012-01-19 18:06

    @ Ian: SO the poms are the worst losers on the planet? You've obviously never been on here after SA lose at ANYTHING!!!!!! lolololol Ah well, carry on your obsession with minority sports and leave the bigger sports to the true winners :) WIth deepest love from 'A Pom'

      Ian - 2012-01-19 19:26

      if england are so great why did they CHOKE for less than 300 in 2 innings in 3 days, the last time we were at lords you made us follow on and we batted for 3 days to save the game, you just couldnt finnish, shame, and dont give me your rusty BS either, FROM A TRUE PROTEAS SUPPORTER

      Beth - 2012-01-19 19:40

      @ Dave- whilst none of us like to hear negative opinions about the team/s we support, we also have to be realistic. What has been said about England being sore losers is a fact. Too often have they created a 'scene' - think back to when Paul Collingwood was captainig the ODI side and playing, I think it was the Black Caps, they held a mini conference to decide if they should accept the rule of the game/and umpire and dismiss the batsman, or play like 'gentlemen' and allow him to remain at the crease. Can you remember what choice they made? However, a few month's later when playing India and a similar situation arose, Dhoni and his team decided that in the 'spirit of the game' that the batsman should be 'not out' and remain at the crease. Of course, when interviewed later, the English team said that it was the right decision and in all fairness the only one Dhoni could make.

      Dave - 2012-01-20 09:39

      @Ian : And exactly where did I say that England are so great? I commented on your stupid statement that England are the worst losers in the world ..... a very broad and sweeping statement based on what exactly? After all, I don't ever recall 'the poms' issuing death threats and signing petitions about a rugby referee..... and I'm sure you know which country did that :) Secondly, you may not have noticed my comment about minority sports? You see, neither I nor the absolutely vast majority of 'poms' could care less about cricket..... never played it, only watch it if there is nothing else, really couldn't care less. I'll take your word for the 'batting for 3 days' thing, and I am very chuffed for you. @ Beth: See above...... I am sure your comments are all valid, but I have no idea what you're talking about.... And as for sore losers? Well, back to good old Bryce Lawrence again!!! You want sore losers.... look a little closer to home instead of obsessing about other countries.

      Beth - 2012-01-20 12:28

      @ Dave - I do not follow Rugby, and my comments on this forum are related directly to cricket. You do not know what I'm talking about, because you don't want to admit to cold hard facts! If you and the majority of your fellow countrymen do not care about cricket, what the hell are reading and commenting on the these forums and the game for then? Perhaps you can then tell us why the English are so adamant and touchy about insisting that England is the home of cricket.

      Dave - 2012-01-20 13:33

      Beth: Trust me, I have no idea what you are talking about not because I am denying any facts - I take your word for it, honestly - I just don't know and don''t really care. The reason I am commenting here is that the word 'Pom' in a headline on News24 caught my eye, and generally results in a whole load of people making ridiculous and unsubstantiated statements on a country and people who they know nothing at all about...... As for the standing of cricket in the UK, well simply log on to any of the sports pages of the newspapers' websites (not the upper class ones, but the 'working class' sites) and you will see where cricket features. Like it or not, the overwhelming majority of people in South Africa are football fans, and it's the same over there..... and in every country in Europe for that matter. And try as hard as you like to deny it, England IS the home of cricket.... and Rugby.... and Football, for that is where they originated.

  • Arthur - 2012-01-19 20:15

    The acronym "POMS" relates to Australians "Prisoners of His Magesty's Service. The English "Limeys" sent convicts to Australia hence the word POMS or POMMIES. Please get it right!.

      Beth - 2012-01-19 20:51

      You make this statement as if it's something to be proud of. Britain may have ruled the waves and been an Empire many decades ago, but they have a lot to answer for, worldwide. Their pompous and 'holier than thou' attitude is one of the main reasons they are disliked by so many. Sending their own to a barren country and not knowing if they would survive; and their supeior attitude regarding Hitler and the German Concentration Camps. How many people are aware of the fact that it was actually the British who initiated the first ever Concentration Camps for the Boers. Regardless of what name calling is done by nationalities all over the world, the fact remains that much of what has been said here is pure fact.

      tim.marles - 2012-01-20 09:48

      Arthur you are incorrect it is actually POME and it stands for "prisoner of mother England" relating to when Australia was a penal colony.

      Dave - 2012-01-20 10:36

      @ Beth: How the hell does a discussion about sport end up with comments about concentration camps? And "Their pompous and 'holier than thou' attitude is one of the main reasons they are disliked by so many".... what on earth are you basing that on????? A very broad and sweeping statement once again...... Please see my comment above.... Are you basing that on the English cricket press? A very small minority! Whatever the 'poms' may have done in the past..... over a century ago..... pales into insignificance compared to the atrocities committed in the name of 'religion', but perhaps that doesn't suit whatever agenda you are pursuing here? Build a bridge and get over it!

      Beth - 2012-01-20 12:34

      @ Dave - if you read Arthur statement regarding 'POMS', that is what my comments are based on. Whether you believe it or not, there are many who dislike the attitude of the English. Also, regardless of what the 'Poms' or, for that matter, any other country, this is history. Just as we here in South Africa are all tarred with the same brush when it comes to Apartheid. Not all South Africans participated/believed in that era, but it's part of this country's history and will remain so. I don't have to build bridges Dave, I endeavour to deal with the realities of life and know that all nations and their people have reputations and a history which others will draw their own conclusion from.

      Dave - 2012-01-20 13:25

      Beth: I get your tenuous link between where 'Pom' comes from and Boers being incarcerated in camps, but my question is exactly what is this "attitude of the English" that you keep referring to? And what are you basing it on? Again it is a broad and sweeping statement...... I am fully aware that a great many people don't like us, but nobody has ever been able to give a satisfactory answer as to why! One guy said to me once "because they think they are the best at everything", which is total and utter nonsense! And by the way, I live in Benoni and am fully aware of the apartheid stigma........ but you say "Just as we here in South Africa are all tarred with the same brush when it comes to Apartheid.".... All??? Are you sure about that? I would say that a minority of this country's population may be tarred with that brush..... but the vast and overwhelming majority were the victims of apartheid. I guess you mean white South Africans, which is in no way, shape or form representative of the majority..... just like cricket fans in England.

  • Michael - 2012-01-19 23:24

    I wonder what the odds were on England losing by 10 wkts

  • Rob - 2012-01-20 12:03

    Arthur I suggest you check your facts before you try to correct others. It is generally accepted (except by you) that pommies refers to those who live or come from England. It is a term generally used by Aussies and New Zealanders and to a certain extent South Africans to refer to Englishmen. The origin is disputed. One theory is the one you mentioned, the other is that it is a shorten version of pomergranate which is a fruit that has a reddish colour which the english attained when they were exposed to the Australian sun. Whatever is the origin, the fact remains, the term pommie refers to englishmen! Hope you have got it right. Check wikipedia if you doubt!

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