SA made KP row worse: ECB

2012-10-07 15:01

London - The Proteas have been accused of provoking the text message scandal that led to England batsman Kevin Pietersen being sent into international exile.

Pietersen was dropped for the final Test between England and South Africa earlier this year following allegations that he sent texts to South Africans players that contained criticism of then England captain Andrew Strauss during the second Test at Headingley.

The 32-year-old South Africa-born star was also axed for the one-day series against the Proteas and the current World Twenty20 tournament in Sri Lanka.

But Pietersen apologised for sending the messages earlier this week and signed a new central contract with the ECB after the two sides agreed "a process for his re-integration into the England team".

And now England and Wales Cricket Board chief executive David Collier has claimed Pietersen was only replying to Blackberry Messenger messages sent by the opposition which he felt were unnecessary.

"That's our understanding," Collier told BBC Radio Five Live's Sportsweek programme on Sunday. "I have not seen those messages and no one has kept those messages, that's why it takes some time.

"It is a very thin line between fair and unfair. These were responses to messages from certain members of the South Africa team and I would not condone an England player doing it if it was the other way around, and I certainly think they (South Africa) provoked the situation."

While Collier is keen to remove some of the blame for the situation from Pietersen's shoulders, he believes the Surrey player and the England team should have handled the situation better.

"There was definitely a policy that was happening but we shouldn't blame the South Africans, we should be above that," he said.

"I think there was a tactic which was used. I think that is sadly some of the ways of modern sport but as I say we have plenty of people who are strong in the dressing room who provide very good leadership who can deal with those situations."

Asked about the content of the messages, Collier added: "Those messages were of a nature that Kevin, with definite hindsight, would have refuted straight away and moved on.

"It is trying to undermine another team and another team ethic.

"There would probably be mixed feelings (for South Africa). Certain feelings to say that maybe it worked, (there) might be other feelings that we actually might have disrupted a player and we would have been unhappy had it been one of ours."

Collier also revealed talks are ongoing between Pietersen and the England management and it will be up to team director Andy Flower to decide when he feels the batsman should return to the squad.

"When Andy Flower says to me 'I am ready to select this player' I would trust his judgment every single time," Collier added. "If the team director says he is ready, that is good enough for me.

"It takes two seconds to destroy a building and it takes a long time to build, it is the same with trust therefore we have to have face-to-face meetings.

"We have an Ashes series and we don't want a divided dressing room, we want to make sure we can move collectively.

"People can't build relationships without meetings - that is the starting point. They will happen this month."


  • wwerum - 2012-10-07 15:12


      johan.wilsnach - 2012-10-07 15:57

      How bad is it smelling?

      justice.ubuntu - 2012-10-07 17:34

      Agreed... This is England and Pietersen trying to blame anyone but themselves for this debacle... If this was simply a case of responding to jibes from South African players... why has it taken several months to come to light...? Surely if this was true the very first defense would have been... "Sorry, I was only responding to the SA players!" "There was definitely a policy that was happening but we shouldn't blame the South Africans, we should be above that," he said. Then why the hell say it in the first place...? He admits he has seen no evidence but yet feels fine to slander the South African team...? Sounds like Pietersen and/or ECB and/or David Collier spinning a long malarky here at best... or are lying at worst... Despicable...!!

      rejeanne.nel.33 - 2012-10-10 09:37

      If you feel this is rubbish, why don't you send the ECB a mail with your thoughts

  • bob.norris.581 - 2012-10-07 15:29

    Absolute carbage! The Poms accept anyone, because they are short on home grown talent, as indeed this proves.

  • Jack - 2012-10-07 15:33

    Which SA okes outed him? Nice mates.....

  • bernard.mackenzie.5 - 2012-10-07 15:35

    The first thing that popped into my mind when this story originally broke was \I wonder who in the SA team ratted KP out?\ With friends like that, who needs enemies. There ae clearly one or two pretty devious people in the SA cricket team.

      stephen.axtell.7 - 2012-10-07 15:48

      Nah typical English trying to give some lame excuse. There was typical English arrogance before the series where the Proteas werent suppose to win a game. But unsurprising that didnt happen. So out come the excuses

      bernard.mackenzie.5 - 2012-10-07 15:58

      So Stephen. Did KP out himself?

      bernard.mackenzie.5 - 2012-10-07 16:11

      How do you know that Jamba? Or is your dislike for the English closing you simple mind?

      gary.doyle.520 - 2012-10-07 16:15

      AB and Steyn were mentioned. Don't know if that's true.

      bernard.mackenzie.5 - 2012-10-07 17:17

      Jamba. What? You making no sense. Ask someone to help you if you can't say something sensible.

      beth.cameron.94 - 2012-10-08 07:55

      With all due respect, Petersen has been a "problem child" regardless of who he has played for. Natal, several of the County sides in the England, England itself. Why can't the ECB and Peterson accept the fact, that regardless of any SA Cricketers sms' that there have been problems with Peterson for a long time. Why is it that no one can substantiate these sms' from the SA players - if they are to blame, surely you would keep such evidence. If the ECB selected their own born and bred cricketers, then this could be avoided - or could it? Are they not a little "peeved" at having lost their No. 1 Test status. England wanted KP and said how awful Natal Cricket Union/CSA/SA supporters had treated Peterson and what a great guy he was; that's of course until they endured his difficult character. None of us know what happened regarding the SA players and Peterson, apart from them, but if you're going to place the blame on someone else's shoulders, then be sure you can justify that statement/accusation! Kevin Peterson has, is and will continue to be a problem - it's in his character.

  • niel.wildfire - 2012-10-07 15:41

    Wat 'n pot bollie

      johan.wilsnach - 2012-10-07 16:00

      is it a big pot bro?

  • johan.jacobs.5680 - 2012-10-07 15:47

    The saying It's not cicket,doesn't apply,even to cricket nowadays.

  • robert.p.gemmell - 2012-10-07 15:48

    Ha ha what a load of donkey crap. KP only has himself to blame and no one else. He is a big mouthed waste of talent who does not deserve to part of any international side if he is going to behave like that. His whole career has been full of controversy and now yo want to blame someone else. Please ECB get a life and wake up KP is not a team player never will be and needs to be sent to the North Pole to play cricket with the penquins

      justice.ubuntu - 2012-10-07 18:57

      what have you got against penguins...? good thing there are none near the north pole...!! ;)

  • johan.wilsnach - 2012-10-07 15:56

    David Collier you know!! Small things amuse small minds. What about sticks and stones? How can you ax a key player for bull"??????? And the cry afterwards.? Have another pie as Larry suggested.

  • mari.theologo - 2012-10-07 16:00

    Ha Ha said the clowns!

  • bfvillet - 2012-10-07 16:07

    it was the devil who made me do it grow up please terry is found guilty of racism but he is not racist because he only said it once we klapped you hard and it was not because of this row or because KP was baited hope the aussies turn that knife

      jacowium - 2012-10-07 20:36

      Punctuation: important (if you want to make sense).

  • bernard.mackenzie.5 - 2012-10-07 16:21

    KP has come out of this quite badly, but I would also be less than impressed with the SA people who outed him originally. Not cool. Pretty devious. The irony is that it is all SA born players involved. The English born players seem to be completely innocent and can rightly be pissed off with KP and the say team members who outed him.

      justice.ubuntu - 2012-10-08 06:50

      bernard... you seem desperate to hang this debacle in the south african change room...? with piers morgan saying stuart broad and alex hales set up a parody kevin pietersen twitter account you need to be looking in the english changeroom for whoever outed pietersen... the schism between pietersen and broad (and others) in the english team is well reported... there is more evidence of broad having a motive to out and nail pietersen than anyone in the south african team...

      chiepner - 2012-10-08 14:42

      Dear Bernard - FYI - no SA player outed Pietersen. You see what most probly happned is some English muffin such as Broad caught wind that KP was "chatting it up" with the Protea's - so he then went ahead and started a rumour that they where dissing captain and coach and so forth. The Brit Press got hold of this (and we all know the enormous fantastic imagination the press has) wrote a story about this that was all pure speculation, but once things like this gets said in the press it tends to snow ball. Hence since this day no one actually has any evadence of what was really said or text, but funny enough not long after all hell broke lose our dear childish "Daddy Daddy she's teasing me" Broad ran his little parody and then had a friend playing scape goat for him. Which makes one wonder? Did you hear of KP having any ill words in the dressing room with any Protea player? Wait I will give you two clues to that question 1) KP playes for England en 2) He ties his shoe laces in the England dressing room. So, Bernard - before you display that fantastical speculative gestures David and the Pommie Press made so freely and without restraint - remember - KP has got a tatoo inscribed with somethingand its not "MOTHER"

  • jon.poole2 - 2012-10-07 16:22

    Isn't this just 21st century sledging?

  • goldwright - 2012-10-07 16:23

    Okay, so SA players sent KP text messages in the hopes of trying to provoke him -but If KP was as clever as he thought, he would have just ignored those texts, so he played right into the hands of provocation. He should have kept his mind on his team and game. He left SA for England, so that's where his heart should be, in England with his English team(mates) - and not still trying to be "buddies" with the South Africans. players, but Pieterson, as good as a cricketer as he is, he is not perfect, he has a big ego, and I'm sure this won't be the last time he finds himself in a spot of bother.........

  • mthunzi.phakathi - 2012-10-07 16:52

    There are a number of ways in which the ecb culd hv cme to the knwldge f the smss, use ur imagination guys. How does are wife inncently doing something ur laptop, come across thse secret msgz without knowming the receipient?

  • andrevanvuuren - 2012-10-07 17:50

    For someone of the stature of David Collier to make a statement such as this indicates the extent to which Pieterson has managed to convince the English cricket authorities of his innocence in this matter, and they seem to have bought his story. Were he as innocent of this as is now alluded to, why did he not pursue these excuses and / or deny the allegations when the issue surfaced? English cricket lacks depth and is desperate for success and, unfortunately, Pieterson is key to their ongoing success, hence the desire on the part of the ECB to get sucked into believing his weak excuse and bring him back. The reality is that Pieterson misread the situation and thought he was indispensable (check his ESPN interview on Youtube entitled, "It was not about the money"). Even if SA players did banter with Pieterson via Blackberry, it does not condone Pieterson's alleged comments. For Collier to now accuse SA players of being complicit, as he has done, is disingenuous in the extreme and indicates what was behind the ECB bringing Pieterson back. Unfortunately, it not only indicates how naive those on power at the ECB are, but also how desperate. It is a pity that the real comments were not released as I will put money on it that Pieterson would not be back were the actual comments known to the ECB.

  • kevin.watson.7906 - 2012-10-07 17:59

    Between the usless aging "hooray henrys" of the ECB and a management team led by the very introverted Andy Flower, which cannot manage, they have sort to blame anyone but themselves. Pietersen is rumoured to be actively disliked by Stuart Broad and a clique around him including Swann and Anderson. They are reputed to have tried to isolate him in the dressing room and so make his life miserable. As good as Anderson and Swann are as bowlers, they need batsmen like Pietersen who can set them reasonable totals to defend. As for Broad he is a legend in his own mind. The sad thing is Andrew Strauss who made much of his limited talent, was coming to the end of the road and couldn't restrain Broad and his friends. The result is England are going to lose a whole lot more.

  • saleem.dawood.92 - 2012-10-07 18:13

    Never trust the English. They ruled the world for centuries with "Divide and Conquer". Or some other dirty tactic. They cant stand that they were completely gutted on home ground. I cant wait for another tour to England and we can get another England captain to resign. They just trying to look for someone else to blame. Bunch of Neanderthals.

  • marc.marx.7 - 2012-10-07 18:32

    Imagine being that old, in such a high powered position, and still being a whining little kid. Shame.

  • marc.marx.7 - 2012-10-07 18:36

    Imagine being that old, in such a powerful position, and still being a whining little kid. Shame.

  • christo.vanderwalt.923 - 2012-10-07 18:57

    Absolute rubbish! Collier looks and thinks like a real stiff upperlip Pom!!!!

  • richard.barnes.3914 - 2012-10-07 20:03

    Heh, the British media's new nickname for KP: Dumbslog Millionaire.

      beth.cameron.94 - 2012-10-08 08:00

      @ richard - my favourite "tag" for Peterson is the Aussies; FIGJAM (F*** I'm good, just ask me)!!!!! He is an egotist and troublemaker of note, never able/willing to accept his own shortcomings. Let's see how long the "peace treaty" works; the guy is not liked by so many of the English Cricketers, and Broad and Swann in particular clearly dislike him intensely. As they say in the classics... "only time will tell".

  • Theuns Jacobs - 2012-10-07 21:03

    KP..kapioen p* who's fault is it that strauss resigned?

  • billy.bunter.779 - 2012-10-07 22:46

    Was this Collier interviewed after a few G&Ts in the Long Room? Who in his position can come out with gems like "There was definitely a policy that was happening but we shouldn't blame the South Africans, we should be above that," he said." How does a policy happen? What is he on about? Besides, if there was any truth in this latest theory of theirs, why didn't KP raise it when he was first fingered? Load of old bollocks.

  • caleb.moyce - 2012-10-08 00:06

    Don't blame South Africa, Just because the ECB made a mistake, stop looking a scape goat! He shouldn't have sent those texts but he is also human!

  • markcrawford.beach - 2012-10-08 08:29

    What a knob jockey!

  • - 2012-10-08 08:44

    What a pathetic fat coward !!!!

  • stephen.leigh.988 - 2012-10-08 08:55

    We have a phrase in SA, FWP..... f@#k!n9 whining poms!!!!!!

  • golaotsemang.lebese - 2012-10-08 10:30

    KV is a grown man , regardless of whthr he ws provoked or nt, hm snding de msg 2 SA players ws stupid nd h faced de music.As 4 ECB we have nvr hd a gud relationshp 4 obvious reasons that we all knw, so im nt surprised by their so "called' defence 2 KV

  • SirFGrumpy - 2012-10-08 12:26

    What a bunch of whining poms!

  • warren.mudge.5 - 2012-10-08 13:50

    Blah, blah,blah, good old whining, whinging ECB of old. Bunch of old farts, prepared to look like fools for the sake of English cricket. They effed up and now want to pass the blame to save face. KP, you can keep him, persona non grata back home.

  • dave.couzyn - 2012-10-08 16:06

    The English are wops, all they do is wine. When they loose there is always an excuse.

  • jeremy002 - 2012-10-08 17:55

    Load of old cobblers! Now Collier resorts to blame sharing and blame shifting to reduce the embarrasment. Very cheap.

  • jeremy002 - 2012-10-08 18:00

    The devil (South Africa) made me do it! The devil made me do it! Honestly if the devil hadn't made me do it i would never have done it. Is that what he told you, Collier, or did you make it up all on your own?

  • deon.delange.94 - 2012-10-09 11:27

    Next we'll hear twas the devil wot made him do it. Take it like a man, man.

  • justin.hemming.94 - 2012-10-11 09:10

    Pietersen has been the cause of his own demise due to his arrogant, pain in the arse, spoilt brat approach - he works everyone up the wrong the way. I've got no doubt that the Saffa's had a dig at him, and he couldn't control himself. He's too arrogant and immature to control himself - It seems that the apple hasn't fallen far for the family tree.

  • ayub.sayed.750 - 2012-10-11 14:49


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