Proteas demand ECB apology

2012-10-09 20:08

Cape Town - Proteas Test captain Graeme Smith has strongly denied recent suggestions that he or his team deliberately provoked England batsman Kevin Pietersen into sending "provocative" text messages to the Proteas players during the recent Test series between the sides.

England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) chief executive David Collier said in a radio interview on Sunday that there had been a "deliberate policy" to entrap Pietersen.

"In the Proteas we pride ourselves on being a sporting and ethical team," Smith said in a statement released by the SA Cricketers' Association on Tuesday.

"We talk a lot about values and our approach to the game. We play hard but we play fair and any suggestions that we did this as a tactic is totally unwarranted and unnecessary."

SACA chief executive Tony Irish confirmed that both he and the national players are expecting an apology from Collier for his comments.

"Our players are angered by David Collier's claims that they employed unfair and unsporting tactics against Kevin," said Irish. "By his own admission Mr Collier never saw any text messages, or correspondence, and we know that Kevin himself has never suggested that he was provoked, so where is the evidence for this claim?

"In international cricket if a player makes an inflammatory comment or accusation he gets punished," said Irish. "Look what happened to Kevin Pietersen himself. The players believe that the same should apply to administrators especially when this is done publicly. Our players are awaiting an apology."


  • liesure.larry - 2012-10-09 20:14

    Dis reg gryp hom aan die b@ll@s...

      Mark - 2012-10-10 07:13

      The British media probably bugged the Pietersens phone and that is how the info was leaked.

      daleinn - 2012-10-10 08:39

      Englands ECB are full of SH$#t period !!

      rejeanne.nel.33 - 2012-10-10 09:26

      Question... Who put a gun to Petersen's head and forced him to call Strauss a D@@s?

      rejeanne.nel.33 - 2012-10-10 09:36

      If you feel this is rubbish, why don't you send the ECB a mail with your thoughts

  • boom.afridi.56 - 2012-10-09 20:19

    but really who leaked these messages? why would you leak ''banter'' unless you think it might lead to the axing of the oppositions top player and your main threat to no.1. there is some motive.

      gary.doyle.520 - 2012-10-09 20:38

      Doubt it's true but AB and Dale Steyn are 2 names that came up.

      richard.barnes.3914 - 2012-10-09 21:13

      The Proteas must surely be the prime suspects as they had the means, motive and opportunity to leak the texts. The ECB can be ruled out. It would be illogical for them to leak texts to drop their star batsman - and then have to work hard to try and get him back into the team. The other suspects would be KP's enemies in the England dressing room or somebody from the media. But while they might have had motive to sabotage KP's career, they didn't have the means/opportunity as the texts weren't sent to them. It is possible that someone in the England team could have picked up KP's phone and simply looked through his Sent Messages folder. But it's still less likely than the Proteas, who have acknowledged that they were in receipt of the messages. It was also odd that the Proteas then deleted the messages as soon as KP was dropped. Surely the correct thing to do would be to keep them on record, to have them in case of further investigations down the line? Deleting the messages makes it look like they have something to hide.

      joe.smit.549 - 2012-10-09 21:19

      C'mon Boom. This is big boys stuff! If you going to fall for crap like this............ Sheez!

      joe.smit.549 - 2012-10-09 21:21

      @jamba. My man!

      richard.barnes.3914 - 2012-10-09 21:25

      Nice try Jamba but it doesn't answer the key question of who leaked the texts. KP certainly didn't and neither did the ECB. So who did?

      gary.doyle.520 - 2012-10-09 21:26

      I still don't think the sms's were the bigger picture here. KP's questioning of why he couldn't play T20 and not 1 day international and just his unexpected announcement was seen as a snub towards them and they were caught extremely off gaurd with the extreme british press. The sms's which wer wrong in itself was than an ideal oppertunity to punish KP for embarrassing the ECB. Blaming SA is now another media ploy to shift the poor handling of the situation from them.

      rodney.louis.7 - 2012-10-09 21:36

      well the proteas have been involved in shady business in the past lol ...

      richard.barnes.3914 - 2012-10-09 21:39

      Sure, Gary. But there is still the key question: the texts could not be used against KP unless the ECB knew of their existence and content. Prior to the leak, the ECB obviously didn't know of them, apparently KP was already texting the Proteas during the Oval Test. So someone had to leak those texts to the media. Who did it and why?

      paddy.carolan.35 - 2012-10-09 21:55

      Richard, in his autobiography KP had a go at everyone who had been at the helm at any stage during his career. I therefore find it quite easy to believe that instead of having a go in a "new" autobiography, that he did it himself through the social media. So much easier than having to write a whole book.

      boom.afridi.56 - 2012-10-09 22:07

      if you remember the SA team manager's response to these texts, he merely referred to them as banter. which means he had access to them from SA players. why would you show your texts to your team manager unless you think you can use it someway. and perhaps this mental tactic spiraled out of control and blew out of proportion which the SA team didn't expect.

      boom.afridi.56 - 2012-10-09 22:14

      it's like hey let's leak these texts to some interested english press and throw these boys off their game. they'll be too distracted to play cricket if we attempt to destabilize them. break their team spirit and unity. and let them have their chic fight (which they did, it was a chic fight that lasted months). lol if they did, it might have been blow out of proportion. back door tactic that worked though so i'm not sure if it's genius or conniving or both. lol

      boom.afridi.56 - 2012-10-09 22:16

      no world t20 so we're reduced to these stories now lol i miss world t20 :(

      richard.barnes.3914 - 2012-10-09 22:19

      Paddy, he didn't use social media, he used SMSes. Social media (FaceBook, Twitter) can be seen by all, SMSes are private. Regardless of the competence or otherwise of the ECB, the arrogance or otherwise of KP, and all the other factors, the simple fact remains that KP's private communications became public knowledge due to a leak. Nobody on either the English or South African side seems keen to trace the source of that leak. That is odd to me because it would tell us a lot about why the leak happened.

      beth.cameron.94 - 2012-10-10 06:16

      @ richard - so you can categorically prove that neither the ECB or Petersen were the ones to 'leak' the story. I take it you that you know Peterson and members of the ECB on a personal level and, if you, would stake your life on their denial? Let's be dead honest here, Peterson has wreaked havoc since entering the cricketing fraternity. Why is it that his very own team members have no time for him, and why was the matter of the Broad and Swann (Twitter) taken further. The ECB and Peterson have screwed up royally and are now looking for a scapegoat. England were well and truly beaten in the Test Series and the records books do not lie.

      richard.barnes.3914 - 2012-10-10 10:06

      It's common sense, Beth. Why would Pietersen leak the texts, wreck his England career and then be forced to issue an apology and go through a long and humiliating process to get back to where he was in the first place? He might not be the sharpest marble in the bag but I don't think he's THAT stupid. Similarly, why would the ECB leak the texts and be forced to drop their top batsman when he had just single-handedly saved the second Test for them and represented their best batting chance of leveling the series? They clearly want him in the team, they wouldn't have gone to such lengths to reintegrate him if they didn't. So, again, why would they go through such a long and difficult process to get back to where they were in the first place - with KP in the England team? KP was already in the England team. It makes absolutely no sense for either party to ruin that and then have to work hard to get it back. I don't think one needs to know KP or the ECB personally to understand that. Just a bit of plain common sense will suffice.

      richard.barnes.3914 - 2012-10-10 10:26

      I don't think people are grasping what I'm asking. The simple question is "Who leaked the texts?" We have heard answers ranging from "KP is an arrogant selfish loudmouth who only thinks of himself" to "England were well beaten in the series" to "the ECB didn't handle the situation well" to "KP and the ECB were already in conflict before the text scandal" to "KP has been trouble wherever he's played". None of these statements answers the question, or even addresses it. For me, there are three possibilities. Either the Proteas did it by having the messages at the receiving end, or someone in the England camp did it by seeing the messages on KP's phone at the sending end, or someone in the media did it by intercepting the messages somewhere in between. I doubt it was the media, data hacking is a very high-profile and very serious offence in England currently. Also, the messages were never quoted verbatim. If the media had intercepted the messages, they would have printed the full text to give the story authenticity. That they didn't indicates to me that the journo who broke the story was told about the messages but never saw them. So that leaves the Proteas with the motive of disrupting the England team before the crucial third Test. Or someone in the Eng team, with the motive of getting rid of KP. Both are possible. It surprises me that neither the Eng nor SA camps seem willing to investigate/divulge the truth.

      boom.afridi.56 - 2012-10-10 11:39

      @barnsey. leaked by SA to secure an advantage, you and i both know that lol :D

      pierre.devilliers.9231 - 2012-10-10 11:44

      Richard - It seems the person that leaked the SMS's is unknown at this stage. Therefore blaming the South African side is as baseless as blaming anyybody else. Sure the SA side had motive and opportunity, but so did other individuals too, even within the England camp. We need to wait till the leak is made public.

      richard.barnes.3914 - 2012-10-10 11:57

      That is certainly the most logical explanation, boom. The Proteas had the most to gain from KP being dropped, so they had the greatest motive to leak the texts. It's also interesting that KP was apparently texting the Proteas at The Oval already, yet nothing was leaked until AFTER his 149 at Headingley. KP batted badly at The Oval. Is it conceivable that the Proteas were happy to keep the texts to themselves as long as KP wasn't a threat. But then decided that they couldn't afford another big KP ton at Lord's and decided to pull out their trump card and have him removed from the equation? I think an independent/neutral investigator would certainly see cause and effect there. Although it's not conclusive proof. It is also known that there was animosity between KP and certain members of the England team. If any of those players happened to pick up KP's Blackberry and look through his Sent Messages, it is not inconceivable that they would be willing to leak the texts for the "first prize" of getting KP kicked out of the team - even if it meant that England had less chance of squaring the series by winning at Lord's. I think an independent/neutral investigator would also find that a credible motive. So it's difficult to make a call on who was the guilty party. I'd say that it's probably 70% Proteas 30% England. I'm not sure that the animosity of Broad/Swann towards KP is that deep that they'd deliberately weaken the team to get KP. They were very proud of that no. 1 ranking.

      beth.cameron.94 - 2012-10-10 12:04

      @ richard - you intial statement to boom.afridi was... "The Proteas must surely be the prime suspects as they had the means, motive and opportunity to leak the texts". If that's not an accusation/finger pointing then I do not know what else to make of it. Peterson is an attention seeker, and it was he who threw down the gauntlet to the ECB regarding how he wish/in which formats he represented England. There is no denying that the man is an incredibly talented cricketer, but then there is no denying that he is an egotist of note who loves publicity, be it good or bad. It's no secret that Broad and Swann, in particular, have not time for Peterson. Strange that the "Twitter" saga 'involving' these to English players was very rapidly swept under the carpet. Peterson, regardless of his ability, has been a thorn in the ECB's side long before the Proteas toured there this year. Unless Collier can categorically substantiate his allegation regarding the Proteas, I too believe that a man in his position should not have made such an accusation unless he 100% certain and could prove this.

      beth.cameron.94 - 2012-10-10 12:08

      @ richard - apologies for some of the grammatical errors in my most recent post; actually typos and I did not take the time to reread my message, but am sure you can understand my message

      richard.barnes.3914 - 2012-10-10 23:24

      Beth, again you raise KP's history of conflict as some sort of indication that he leaked the texts. He had no motive to leak the texts. It's irrelevant what his history was with either the ECB or his team-mates, the fact is that leaking the texts wasn't going to hold any benefit for him. It wasn't going to let him get his way with the ECB, quite the contrary. It wasn't going to make him more popular with his team-mates, quite the contrary. It was only going to make all his existing relationship problems worse, not better. So why would he do it?

  • gary.doyle.520 - 2012-10-09 20:33

    Rather just laugh it off, don't demand apology or they'll sound pathetic just like the poms!!

  • Adeeb Saban - 2012-10-09 20:40

    Poms are such losers..... Pathetic

  • joe.smit.549 - 2012-10-09 21:00

    Oh please. Tweet some other prick in their team.

  • vernon.samuel.7 - 2012-10-09 21:24

    The ECB handled this badly from the start. They felt that they had to show a strong hand by axing KP. That was to show that no one is bigger than the game. All very well, except that they then got hammered in the world cup T20 and realised that they need KP back. But they would then look weak, so they look for another scapegoat - the Proteas. The administrators of all people should know that you do not make reckless statements to the press. Whether the Proteas did leak the messages is not the point. They need to lick their wounds, apologise to the Proteas and get their house in order. The Proteas are right to demand an apology from these arrogant poms.

  • PrettyUsefulArt - 2012-10-09 21:25

    They have to 'justify' taking KP back. How better than to blame us. Grrrr!!!!

  • terry.burne - 2012-10-09 21:46

    Typical poms - can't take the fact that they were beaten in their own backyard. The Proteas must demand that he either furnish proof of his claims, or an apology.

  • gerasimos.komnenus - 2012-10-09 23:45

    Pieterson is an undercover double agent who will bring down the British government

  • Jacques - 2012-10-10 00:18

    You say it like it is, Greame!

  • Bathembu Mawabo Minya - 2012-10-10 05:32

    What ever Peterson did they must not blame him his opening most of the south africans eyes that racism is still on nothing will change

      nick.tarr.39 - 2012-10-10 06:56

      What are you on about....

      luke.watskots - 2012-10-10 08:59

      Exactly my bra!!!!!!!! Go KINGS- The team for the oppressed Daddy and me allready talking to Sa Cricket and demanding a KINGS cricket team!!!!

  • fanie.viljoen.73 - 2012-10-10 05:50

    Stop being cry babies and get on with life, who cares what the ECB says? Seriously!

  • beth.cameron.94 - 2012-10-10 06:20

    @ boom.afridi - no dnying there was, as they call it "bante, but if the sms' were that inflammatory and caused such havoc where is the proof and why has this only come to the fore now? Why was this not discussed/mention when Faule met with Collier in London? There are too many gray areas and there's a common denominator here - Kevin Petersen; regardless of where he plys his trade, there is trouble - trouble with a capital T!!!!

  • NigelJamesTurner - 2012-10-10 07:36

    SA beat us fair and square in the test series. However, there was something badly wrong in the Eng team at the Oval. I said it at the time so this is not hindsight. The body language of the players was very negative, even before they were being smashed around the park. So I think there is plenty we don't know about Pieterson's relationship with the rest of the team and about the SMSs. Knowing that this would blow up, SA should have kept those messages so that they could prove they were nothing but banter and that there was no malice from the SA players. The fact that they were deleted amid all the controversy is worrying. I'm not accusing the Proteas of anything, but they haven't helped the situation by getting rid of the texts. The question of who leaked the texts and why is also mysterious. As gifted as he is, KP is an immature and egotistical person who knows no loyalty. IMO he should never play cricket for England again, but he probably will.

      richard.barnes.3914 - 2012-10-10 10:53

      The Proteas deleting KP's messages doesn't tell us anything. If England wanted to prove that Proteas players goaded KP, then the onus would be on KP to save the messages and to present those as proof that he had been provoked. Of course, the messages (if they existed) would still be on the Proteas' players' phones in their Sent Messages. But they wouldn't offer them as evidence for obvious reasons, and would delete them. If KP hasn't kept them then neither side can prove anything.

  • gerrit.vanpletzen - 2012-10-10 08:00

    Must feel chilly in the shadows, eh, England?

  • kirston.l.noemdoe - 2012-10-10 08:30

    Sa cricket team should be apologized to cause if they couldn't prove it then, then there will never be prOof

  • luke.watskots - 2012-10-10 08:41

    Smithy is a hasbeen, AB a loser and Hashim cant bat, should come play rugby at the Kings

      luke.watskots - 2012-10-10 11:44

      O and Steyn is a pissssy!!!!!!!!!

  • darryl.maze.5 - 2012-10-10 08:49

    The ECB and the england team are just doing this because they are a bunch of sour loosers and because they are not No1 in the Test rankings. They were out played by a better team. Get over it england and stop trying to make SA cricket your scape goat. Stupid Pommies

      dave.e.richman - 2012-10-10 17:17

      Man up and stop whingeing...... Stupid Saffa

  • gert.swart.393 - 2012-10-11 06:13

    We all are awaiting an apology.

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