Last chance saloon for Proteas

2012-10-02 10:18

Cape Town - South Africa’s fate in the ICC World Twenty20 may not be in their own hands alone, but they will be giving it one last heave in their final Super Eight match against India on Tuesday.

The Proteas need to win well against India, with the hope that Australia continues their form with a win against Pakistan to have any chance of advancing to the semi-finals via a favourable net run-rate.

Proteas coach Gary Kirsten admitted that important errors in judgement led to the team’s failure in the last two matches against Pakistan and Australia.

“We haven’t played well enough in the key moments in the games,” Kirsten said.  “To have Pakistan 60-odd for seven, we should be winning that game. We have let ourselves down, it has been disappointing.

“I think we have made a lot of progress in a lot of different areas. We have batted really well out of tough batting situations where we have lost three wickets really early in both our games. We batted well to get the game deep and to have a competitive total.”   

The Proteas’ top-order has struggled from the onset, with early wickets hampering the innings’ progress. Changes are expected in the Proteas’ starting XI for Tuesday’s match, but Kirsten still has belief in the 15 men at his disposal.

“There might be one or two (changes), we haven’t made a final decision,” Kirsten said. “We have nothing to lose in many ways, we can play freely knowing that the chances of us going through are up to us winning the match convincingly and Pakistan have to lose. It allows us to free up in terms of our combinations.

“We have some quality players,” he added.  “When we announced the squad everyone said this was a perfectly well-rounded squad. It has good balance to it; we have some key accumulators and some hitters as well.

“When guys don’t fire there is not a whole lot you can do, you have to accept it. It’s not that you don’t back them because they are seriously capable batsmen, hopefully they can do something in the next game.”

Kirsten also shared his views on the proverbial chokers tag that has haunted South African teams over the years.

“There is every reason to question it,” Kirsten said about the Proteas’ failure at ICC events. “The thing is at some point we hopefully will turn it around. It might not be right now, it might not be at the World Cup in 2015, who knows when it will be it. It is going to come sometime, hopefully while we’re all still alive.

“I don’t think we hide around it anymore, there is nothing to hide, we have battled. There is a legacy that has been left behind in South African cricket that is really tough for young guys to come through and fill that legacy of being able to overcome those types of situations.”


  • cynthia.biljoen - 2012-10-02 10:21

    South Africa are the only team that can be knocked out even before their match starts. For the second time in a row, they will be hoping Pakistan lose because if Pakistan win the first match on Tuesday, it will mean curtains for South Africa. However, if Australia do beat Pakistan, South Africa have a fair chance of making it to the next round, thanks to poor NRRs of India and Pakistan. If South Africa score 160 and win by more than three runs, their NRR will go above India's, enough to qualify provided Australia have won all their matches. The advantage for South Africa and India is that they play the last game of the group, and will thus have an exact knowledge of what they need to do to qualify.

      boom.afridi.56 - 2012-10-02 10:33

      Australia beat Pakistan - this can very well happen. but my theory on 5 match winning streaks suggests otherwise. aus are on a 5 match streak, they're due a loss right now. 6 straight wins is very unlikely. if the theory fails, then no hope for pak. SA beat India by more than 3 - look at the indian batting lineup. nuff said :(

      jono.qmann - 2012-10-02 10:46

      Only chance SA has of beating India is if they know the match means nothing, but if PAK looses and SA MUST win then I have a small suspicion they will choke!!!

      cynthia.biljoen - 2012-10-02 10:56

      I have to suffer the indignity of supporting Aus today! Anyway, in the game of cricket anything can happen on the day, even miracles, so let's see what happens in the first match, and just hope for the best.

  • jason.m.nelis - 2012-10-02 10:24

    Too many what if`s and maybe`s! Protea`s are on their way home boys and girls.

  • boom.afridi.56 - 2012-10-02 10:29

    if sa or pak don't go through i become a free agent!! no teams left to support lol :P afridi will make 0. this the only thing i am sure about.

      stephen.axtell.7 - 2012-10-02 10:47

      @boom, nah he will make 12

      gustav.kriel.3 - 2012-10-02 11:42

      you can be sure that levi will also make 0....

      gustav.kriel.3 - 2012-10-02 11:45

      boom... remember when sa played pakistan and i said we are chokers... The protea's actually proved my point twice, they double choked.... first with the bat and then with the ball :D... we've got the skill and the talent, there's just something wrong with the mindset! and maybe 1 or 2 changes in the team :D

      jacques.joubert.swart - 2012-10-02 14:16

      Gustav, you need to realise 'choking' isn't a synonym for losing. You meant we will 'lose', and we then went on to lose. We're playing on pitches not even Kallis can bat on, against the likes of Ajmal and Mendis. It's clear we'll lose, not choke. #Subtledifferance

  • deon.louw.7505 - 2012-10-02 10:30

    We did not play good enough to advance to the knock out phases, at least we were the only team who has beaten Sri Lanka, they are looking strong.

      boom.afridi.56 - 2012-10-02 10:35

      7 over match but still ironic that we're on the chopping block today :(

      boom.afridi.56 - 2012-10-02 10:37

      why SA beat sri lanka was that the top order didn't have to be tested. AB didn't have to stress and could just play his shots without worrying about the middle order collapsing. in 7 overs SA have an advantage.

  • fanus.nel.3 - 2012-10-02 10:31

    Waars filander?

      boom.afridi.56 - 2012-10-02 10:38

      @fanus, bowling is not the issue, it's the batsman that need to post over 160 at least.

      jacques.joubert.swart - 2012-10-02 14:17

      As jy daai vraag vra weet jy bitter min van krieket af, vriend

  • stephen.axtell.7 - 2012-10-02 10:41

    Well good luck in any case. I suppose we have to pray for an Australian win first

      robin.bradley.9803 - 2012-10-02 10:48

      You know how sick that makes me... Supporting the Aussies.. Urghhh *Puke*

      stephen.axtell.7 - 2012-10-02 11:13


      roy.wadhams.1 - 2012-10-02 11:15

      And praying YOU should know how to do if one looks at your profile picture?

  • dieter.muller.942145 - 2012-10-02 10:49

    I remember Duminy from his Plumstead High School Days! when it really mattered he was terrible! BIG Choker!!!!! no way we'll make the semi's with poefters like him in the team!!

      nick.collis.16 - 2012-10-02 11:42

      Disagree Dieter....Duminy may have been given more time to find his feet in all forms of the game than certain white players but the talent was always there. Now he seems to have come good , certainly at test level. If not for politics surely a Rudolph or Miller is a better bet than Berhardeen who may niggle a few middle order runs but can't accelerate the run rate. Politics is the problem with SA sport not just at international level but also at first class level which is feeding players through. The answer to the problem is to focus money on disadvantaged schools and clubs and then watch the talent come through naturally but government too concerned with window dressing at the top.

  • SUV - 2012-10-02 10:57

    T20 cricket is no fear cricket. You have to take risks. SA batsmen seemed afraid to take risks in the match against Aus. \r\nAND let's not call them chokers... I know they are, but we want them to win and they won't with the Chokers tag hanging over their heads

  • PHUZZY187 - 2012-10-02 11:10


      stephen.axtell.7 - 2012-10-02 11:15

      Good grief what an idiot

  • Hansie.Crook - 2012-10-02 11:15

    The culture of winning World tournaments starts at Junior level and builds up or feeds to the senior levels. Here are the winners of the Under 19 World Cups: 1998 England 2000 India 2002 Australia 2004 Pakistan 2006 Pakistan 2008 India 2010 Australia 2012 India These are the sides that are more likely to win a senior world tournament because of the type of players they breed, Players that are used to pressure situations. South Africa are to start at junior level and remove the "C" tag before they can remove in with the Proteas...

      dieter.muller.942145 - 2012-10-02 11:34

      we need match fixer gibbs .... a few $$$ can convince India 2 loose!

      daleinn - 2012-10-02 14:13

      These are actually interesting stats , we were always told that transformation in cricket was still at bakers mini cricket level and at plascon academy... maybe that is how far behind we are in bringing new talent through. We dont appear to be building stronger character in players at younger age....leave alone the seniors... We have work to do... and I beleive Kirsten will get this right..

  • koeloe.burger - 2012-10-02 11:16

    You live by the choke, you die by the choke, May the choke be with you...........I can carry on but whats the point....

      stephen.axtell.7 - 2012-10-02 11:21

      The downside of the internet. A platform for idiots

      koeloe.burger - 2012-10-02 11:26

      and yet here you are....

      Hansie.Crook - 2012-10-02 11:32

      @stephen.aztell.7 Can you except that people will hold different opinions and views to what you do? Do you have to have a go at anyone that differs with you? Really dude its boring. All you do is comment on comments.

      stephen.axtell.7 - 2012-10-02 11:41

      @Hansie.Crook, actually I dont please get your facts straight. So this comment "You live by the choke, you die by the choke, May the choke be with you...........I can carry on but whats the point.... " is constructive or this one "CHOKERS MAKING MORE excuses YIP THE FORM OF TRUE CHOKERS " So there is nothing wrong if I call you an inbred moron who has relation with a donkey - so rah rah its my opinion

      stephen.axtell.7 - 2012-10-02 11:45

      And my opinion is certain people on here are idiots and hide behind "Opinion" to post there garbage.

      Hansie.Crook - 2012-10-02 11:49

      Aargh shame!!!! I have tissues if you need them...

      stephen.axtell.7 - 2012-10-02 11:51

      What a reply wow, head of the class for you.

      koeloe.burger - 2012-10-02 16:44

      and we've come full circle, heading home after another...dare I say it dear stephen....chokefest

  • hallo.daar.56 - 2012-10-02 11:56

    We need a new captain soon. Bring back Biff

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