Kirsten offers no excuses

2012-10-04 13:48

Johannesburg - South Africa's continued failure to win a major international limited overs title hangs over the team like a "dark mist", coach Gary Kirsten said on Thursday after his team's premature exit from the ICC World Cup Twenty20 in Sri Lanka.

The world's top-ranked Test side, who have never won a 50 or 20 overs title despite starting as one of the favourites each time they enter a global tournament, lost all their Super Eight group matches in Sri Lanka.

Kirsten told a news conference after his team's return it was time for the current crop of South Africa players to shed the "choker" tag.

"It was a highly pressurised tournament in Sri Lanka but we were fully aware of that. The legacy that sits with South Africa cricket over these World Cup events continues to sit there, it's a dark mist that sits over the team and it will be our responsibility to at some point to overcome it," Kirsten said.

"I'm fully confident in the resources we have in this team and the guys who have to make those plays when we need to make them. But it's a collective mist that sits with us and it's our responsibility as custodians of the game of cricket in this country to overcome.

"We have to honour the people that support us so passionately in this country and say to them we are going to pull out a win at some point. We have three of these events coming up; the Champions trophy next June in England, then the World T20 and then the World Cup. There are quite a few coming through and hopefully this is a good stepping stone for us to be able to at some point cross the line in those events at some point."


  • jaco.groenewald.731 - 2012-10-04 14:05

    Well we forgive you!!!! You gave the poms a thrashing in the test series, and thank you for that, now go to OZ and do the same!!!!!

      boom.afridi.56 - 2012-10-04 14:49

      @alicia support the other team in green for today :P

      JaredVN - 2012-10-04 15:16

      Problem is exactly the fact that the Proteas are able to beat anybody, but just not when it matters such as in any tournament. Perhaps Kirsten should go and consult the experts in rugby choking, the Papsakke - cupless for 12 years and counting, for coaching and motivational advice, and then do exactly the opposite LOL.

      jaco.groenewald.731 - 2012-10-04 15:24

      Boom just for you... Go Pakistan!!!!!!!!!

      boom.afridi.56 - 2012-10-04 15:27

      haha thanx jaco :D

      sean.bagley.50 - 2012-10-04 16:58

      I think if Gary is serious about this,winning major tournaments that is,and believe me I do think that he is,then him and the Proteas needs to smarten up a bit more and plan for these events much better.For example if we had lost our game against Sri Lanka in the group stages then we would've had a "easier" route to the Semi's.I know it's not nice to throw games and such,and in no way am I suggesting that we do,but just think about it.We've already qualified for the Super 8's by the time we played the Sri Lankans so why did we have to go and beat them?We could've not bothered and lost that game and then ended up playing the West Indies,New Zealand and England in the same group,much "easier" opposition than the ones we did face in the end. So start by being streetwise Proteas and assess the situation before hand.That's what the England commentators were talking about quite alot during the group stages to do with their team.The kept saying how England had a very "easy" route to the Semi's.And why would they bring that up if it wasn't important enough to do it?England of course didn't make it in the end,but still they could've had if they had played better. We on the other shoot ourselves in the foot by thinking that doing such things would be called cheating,but it's not.The All Blacks and Wallabies do similar things with the referees & match officials all the time by playing them for fools.They assess the situation infront of them and take the easy way out to win things.

      richard.barnes.3914 - 2012-10-04 17:11

      Sean, before telling Gary to "smarten up", I think you need to smarten up a bit yourself. Like, by learning the structure of the tournament. The Pak/Aus/SA/Ind group was decided before the tournament, the result of the SL/SA match was irrelevant. The two Super Eight groups were pre-determined. The only way it couldn't have happened the way it did was if Ire, Afg, Bang, Zim had pulled off an upset and knocked one of the Test nations out.

      sean.bagley.50 - 2012-10-04 17:32

      @richard.barnes.3914 Why don't you smarten up ass****?

      richard.barnes.3914 - 2012-10-04 17:36

      I don't need to. I know the rules of the tournament. So does Gary. So I'm sure he's grateful for your advice that the Proteas should have thrown a match that was irrelevant. But I think he'll still prefer to do things his way.

      dave.lester.125 - 2012-10-05 10:26

      Read my piece on MyNews why the Protea's really fail during tournaments & then provide a solution...

  • slang.vandermerwe - 2012-10-04 14:05

    unlike Meyer.....

  • Hansie.Crook - 2012-10-04 14:15

    No use in crying over spilt milk now... Proteas just relax, grab a beer and watch the rest of the T20 world cup on TV like the rest of us... Aussie tour is coming soon

  • dewald.marais.77 - 2012-10-04 14:34

    No malice intended but you guys did not even give yourselves the opportunity to chokeā€¦.or did you choke earlier?

  • SirFGrumpy - 2012-10-04 14:39

    Dark mist, pressure tournament se moer? Its actually very simple, the Artichokes do not have BMT! And that does not stand for "big match temperament", it stands for "big match testicles". Really chaps this is wearing thin now!

      rassie.venter.5 - 2012-10-04 15:00

      I agree Will it ever happen maybe we just do not have the ability to win tournaments like these. So save yourself the embaresment to hope ant take it as a bonus IF it happens.

      JaredVN - 2012-10-04 15:21

      Ha-ha! Brilliant name for the Blommetjies - "The Artichokes". Excellent!

  • juliana.bichara - 2012-10-04 14:40

    Give that man a Bells! Love my cricket.

  • roy.wadhams.1 - 2012-10-04 14:50

    Still going to take a very long time to shed the "choker" tag if we do not start believing that we are a good team and play like one. Stop using players that are not living up to the players standards you require,in other words,no boetie boetie. Players MUST earn their selections and no excuses for players who don't do their part immaterial of who they are.

      darryl.maze.5 - 2012-10-04 14:56

      Well maybe if we south africans stop with this chokers crap it will also ease the pressure on our team.

      roy.wadhams.1 - 2012-10-04 16:58

      @darryl.maze.5 unfortunately this is not a tag that we as South African gave our Protea cricketers but, I stand to be corrected,was given by the Aussies and then the rest of the cricketing world. Wish our guys could prove that they are not "chokers" but the way things are going even they use the tag.

  • wayne.jacobs.374 - 2012-10-04 14:56


      darryl.maze.5 - 2012-10-04 15:01

      Your the biggest flop. If you wanna call a team a flop look no further than bafana bafana. Atleast our SA cricket team and SA rugby are still high in the rankings.

      jaco.groenewald.731 - 2012-10-04 15:25

      PSL boet!!!

  • Ntutu Dlova - 2012-10-04 15:14

    Dont know why Botha is not a captain, he was great on the last Aussie tour. i will support the Proteas forever cuz i love cricket. We just get so disappointed when they under perform cuz we know what they can do. as for Bafana bafana , we all know they r useless and have never gone to a tournament as no1 ranked team.

  • daleinn - 2012-10-04 15:46

    It is not soley Kirstens responsibility but also that of CSA and its selectors in creating opportunity in local administration and hosting of the sport, bringing the right calibre of talent into the side .. and a team that works hard and plays hard .

  • Neo Mafabatho - 2012-10-04 16:01

    I'm pretty sure no one expects the Proteas to win anymore...I really wasn't surprised,and frankly no South African should be. In all fairness,it was AB's 1st tournament in charge...he'll learn.

  • viva.lebok - 2012-10-04 21:42


      shamiel.mathews - 2012-10-04 23:25

      I agree, they are useless. How many tournaments are they still going to need to grow and learn. How is this team any better mentally and tactically to when Gary played?

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