CSA, ECB agree to disagree

2012-10-15 13:55

Cape Town - England cricket chief David Collier has been forced to apologise to South Africa after accusing their players of provoking Kevin Pietersen in the text message row that led to the batsman being dropped.

Cricket South Africa (CSA) were furious about the England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) chief executive's comments last week and demanded he say sorry.

South African-born Pietersen was dropped by England for the third and final test between the two countries at Lord's in August after admitting sending provocative texts to the tourists but denying allegations he told them how to get captain Andrew Strauss out.

"Cricket South Africa has made clear to ECB that the electronic messages were not part of any initiative or plan to undermine the England team or players," an ECB statement said on Monday.

"ECB has unreservedly accepted that assurance and wishes to reiterate that it has no issue at all with CSA.

"Although the two boards do not agree on the sequence of events regarding any responses to messages between Kevin Pietersen and certain Proteas players, CSA and SACA (South African Cricketers' Association) accept Mr Collier's apology."

Pietersen has been dropped for this month's tour of India but could be recalled after agreeing to a "reintegration" period after apologising to the ECB and Strauss who retired after the Lord's Test when South Africa took England's No 1 ranking.

Collier infuriated South Africa last week when trying to defend Pietersen.

"These texts were responses to messages from certain members of the South Africa team and I would not condone an England player doing it if it was the other way around and I certainly think they provoked the situation," he told BBC radio.

"I think there was a tactic which was used. I think that is sadly some of the ways of modern sport."


  • terry.burne - 2012-10-15 14:28

    That is not acceptable - CSA should demand that he provide proof that the situation was instigated by South African players, or he must apologise unconditionally. What he has done, is insinuate that South Africa were to blame for the whole incident - without any proof. Not good enough!!!!

      vernon.samuel.7 - 2012-10-15 15:53

      I do not think that KP is worth having a cricket crisis over. The SA players and management have refuted the rubbish that the ECB has put out there. They have apologised - case closed. Everyone knows that the ECB always had problems keeping KP in line. This is just another instance; however this time it cost them the top ranking, so they just looked for a scapegoat to pacify the English public. Of course no fingers would have been pointed at KP, CSA, SA cricketers or anyone else has Verwoerd been English.

      TravieGrif - 2012-10-15 16:41

      Terry's point is correct. The fact that the ECB has a problem managing their players does not give them grounds to make unsubstantiated claims like Collier did. The ECB are a law unto themselves, and need to be taken to task!

      gavin.simpson.0 - 2012-10-15 19:49

      All of which seem to give credence to KP's dissing them in the first place doesn't it?

  • deon.louw.7505 - 2012-10-15 14:40

    KP made a few public mistakes leading up to him being dropped, not just these SMS'e. He is a great player but far too "self serving", he is not a team player.

  • joe.smit.549 - 2012-10-15 14:43

    It's not a modern tactic, bud, it's a load of crap from your side!

  • jaco.groenewald.731 - 2012-10-15 14:51

    What a CHOP!!!

  • rishaal.sewpaul - 2012-10-15 15:17

    SA players have always been gifted at selling each other out.Hansie found out the hard way. i dont like kp but i doubt he would sent those sms's without any context.

      chiepner - 2012-10-15 15:52

      Rishaal - Hansie made his team mates testify against him because as Captain he realised that allowing what transpired he was as fault as he was the leader of the team. He was taking the fall for ALL of those whom was guilty in dabbling in the dark arts of "spot fixing". Now taking that into account. When that broke he was the ONLY international cricketer that stepped forward and said "I did it". All those others that was implicated like some of those prestine Aussies quickly made a statement saying they have never done such a thing. If I remember correctly Warne was one of the other superstars fingered. Recently we have noted that Pakistani players and even some players playing in county was found wanting. My point being - I have more respect for a man that stands up and admits when he has done something wrong than one that lies and then cowers behind the protective veil of his team mates and cricketing board hoping that would be the end of it. If you think covering for your buddy while he did something wrong is acceptable - then my friend I am sorry to say but your moral compass must be so screwed up that I will be surprised if you find your way home tonight.

      inky.pinky.56 - 2012-10-15 16:29

      @ Clint. Hansie “never “stepped forward “and said he did it. He was caught with his hand in the till and his first reaction was to lie about it and then he blamed the devil!

      rishaal.sewpaul - 2012-10-16 07:53

      Clint. i think you have missed point. obviosly you have a lot of pent up anger towards this subject. My comment is regarding the way which SA players engage in unethical behavior and then play innocent.

  • dragonfire47 - 2012-10-15 15:28

    England just accept the fact that you got thrashed in your own back yard and move on to your next thrashing, india will make mincemeat out of you

      chiepner - 2012-10-15 15:58

      3 test series vs Protea's on their home soil - 3 series wins for Proteas (after everytime its said the England team will polvirise us) and 3 captains quitting after each and every series. I think it can be said without holding back and dont get me wrong I do believe not to rub salt into opposing teams wounds, but with the poms I will make an exception because it seems they have no respect for anyone. So its safe to say the England cricketing team is Protea's little bunnies. So to the entire England team, ECB and our dearest Dave - "who's your daddy!"

      dragonfire47 - 2012-10-15 16:57

      @Clint, coundnt have said it better, can't wait to have the ozzies as our other bunnies, luv it

      richard.barnes.3914 - 2012-10-15 19:46

      Clintleeh: "3 test series vs Protea's on their home soil - 3 series wins for Proteas" Erm, no. The Proteas have toured England five times since readmission. Two of those series (2008 and 2012) were won by the Proteas. The 1994 series was drawn, 1998 was won by Eng, 2003 was drawn. I'm not sure where this myth arose that the Proteas won the 2003 series. I suppose it happened because Nasser Hussain quit during that series, so Proteas fans just assumed that SA must have won without actually checking the results. But that series was drawn 2-2. In the four return series in SA, the Proteas won in 95 and 99, lost in 04 and drew in 09. It's true that England haven't beaten the Proteas in England since 1998. But then, the Proteas haven't beaten England in South Africa since 1999. So, since the turn of the millennium, it's been a rivalry in which the away side has generally had the upper hand. dragonfire47, you'll have quite a wait. Aus lead us 7-1 in Test series since readmission. So there is a bunny team in the Aus-Proteas rivalry. Unfortunately, it ain't Australia. They have owned the Proteas in the worst possible way since readmission.

      dragonfire47 - 2012-10-16 06:39

      yes Richard but last time we were there we crucified the ozzies , took them out 3-1 i think it was, then they beat us here, then last year 2 match series was drawn, (including there fantastic batting display of 46/10) aus cricket is going down , we are moving up, ask the poms and aus have lost there last 2 ashes encounters

      richard.barnes.3914 - 2012-10-16 10:21

      I'm not sure that we're going up and Aus going down. I think we are at our peak now, I don't see this squad getting much better. JK is close to retirement, Biff, Alviro, Rudolph, Imran, Robin P, Tsolekile are all in their 30s, the rest are in their late 20s. Our two youngest regulars are Morne and Vern who are both 27. In 3-5 years, we are going to have an awful lot of gaps to fill. Other than Quinton De Kock and Marchant De Lange, we don't have a lot of new talents coming through either. Almost all the Aus pace attack (Starc, Cummins, Pattinson) are in their early twenties, Peter Siddle is the same age as our youngest players, Matty Wade is 24. Then they have batsmen like Mitchell Marsh and David Warner coming through as well. In the same 3-5 year period, this Aus team is going to improve a lot from raw rookies to seasoned Test veterans. I think we hold a clear edge atm but we'd best make use of it. This Aus team isn't going to be down for long.

  • chiepner - 2012-10-15 15:36

    I agree. If the ECB are so sure of how everything unfolded why not present the evidence to prove that poor old Kev was prevoked into doing this? Further if this is the hogwash Kevin spinned the ECB to try and negotiate his re-integration then I might add I will not be surprised. It again proves that ECB and the England squad in general has absolute no respect for their opposing teams and cricketing boards. It is again exactly why England has slipped form 1st to 2nd in the rankings recently and also the same reason why that team will never be as good as they can be. If there is so much lying and two faced crap flying around on this level one can just imagine the amount of crap going around between team mates and even in the changing room - but then again - the recent events has proved without a shadow of a doubt that england is their own worse enemy. No South African would dare create a "fake account" in order to ridicule or shame their team mates and even if it comes out that their "friend" did it I promise you CSA would quickly make that team mate pay for his buddies indiscretion. Yet, in England it seems common to be vindictive and childish, arrogant and disrespectfull towards team mates and oposition. So glad the pomps rule on top was so short lived because they seriously did not even deserve to get that far in the first place.

      TravieGrif - 2012-10-15 16:45

      Yes, Clint, but it would appear that if your dad is on the ECB then you can get away with ball tampering and this twitter nonsense too!

  • mthunzi.phakathi - 2012-10-16 06:57


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