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CSA: Black players, or else...

2013-01-09 22:16

Johannesburg - Convenor of selectors Andrew Hudson had to explain himself to the board of Cricket South Africa (CSA) here on Wednesday and left with a clearer understanding of his transformation duties, according to acting president Willie Basson.

Hudson and his fellow selectors had been criticised for their handling of wicketkeeper Thami Tsolekile, who was given a national contract last year and was assured he would be given an opportunity in the Test side during the current series against New Zealand.

Instead, Tsolekile was dropped from the squad, having not been given an opportunity to play a single Test on tours of England and Australia, with key batsman AB de Villiers being entrusted with the gloves as the current successor to Mark Boucher.

"Andrew Hudson was invited to address us and he explained the selectors' thinking in detail," Basson said.

"After a long and intensive debate, he left more enlightened and informed about what is required from the selectors in terms of transformation. He has been sensitised to make sure the selectors deal with transformation in the most appropriate way in future."

Basson confirmed that a mandatory number of black African players was being considered by CSA for franchise and national teams.

"The target at the moment is four blacks for franchise and national teams, but a stipulation for black Africans will be coming as part of the strategy of the transformation committee," Basson said.

Basson acknowledged that more needed to be done at the higher levels of cricket in terms of transformation, but he said this had to be part of "a natural, bottom-upwards process".

"Transformation at school and club level is far advanced - more than 60 percent of players are black at those levels. Transformation is still in progress at national level, and our efforts have been recognised by the minister of sport.

"But we're now looking at three levels of transformation because they all have different requirements - national teams, franchises, and schools and clubs. The pipeline needs to flow in a natural, bottom-upwards process."

According to the acting president, Hudson defended the exclusion of Tsolekile because De Villiers was a much better batsman than the 32-year-old Highveld Lions wicketkeeper.

"Andrew explained to us the problems faced by the selectors in ensuring the team remains at the highest level and balancing that with the sensitivities of selection in ensuring there are necessary opportunities for everyone," Basson said.

"He said it had been a case of AB de Villiers's tremendous batting ability being more valuable than Tsolekile's outstanding wicketkeeping, and that, according to Andrew, Thami understands the position 100 percent.

"But the foundation has been laid for much better communication between the selectors, players and the board than in the past."

Basson also confirmed that the appointment of a black African national selector was "in the pipeline" and they were calling for nominations.

Former Proteas and Knights bowler Victor Mpitsang is reportedly the most favourable candidate.

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Comments
  • justin.roper.3705 - 2013-01-09 22:27

    Play the guys on merit, black,white,indian,coloured we are all africans what would we rather have a winning team or a mickey mouse team? I vote best team available no matter what colour your skin is and that goes for all the sports in south africa.

      mark.a.fysh - 2013-01-09 23:04

      Merit. There is nothing else. These guy really hate Whites. Unbelievable. For crying in a bucket, we are no 1!

      Jack - 2013-01-09 23:07

      I think we need to first insist on high representation of black taxpayers. Then they can play around all they want..

      graham.plessis - 2013-01-09 23:08

      There are black players coming through. Gqamane will be a Protea I am sure... The Tsolekile broken promise was a debacle and a half. He should have played instead of Elgar for the NZ series and if he hadn't performed then Hudson would have been justified in dropping him.

      priyal.pillay - 2013-01-09 23:12

      Yip, transformation at grassroots, provincial level chaps. Not national. Merit and only merit is what is needed there. Look after your base and the rest will inevitably follow. Must admit though, cant wait for the day one of our black brothers scores a double ton to a standing ovation at Lords or SCG!

      charlesbronson.bronson - 2013-01-09 23:14

      There is only one cricket ball. Noting else to steal. Won't help!

      moriri.mosweu - 2013-01-09 23:48

      Do you want to tell us they even stole your only ball too,charles? no wonder you look like a woman down there...

      jan.botha2 - 2013-01-09 23:57

      I think there are not enough whites in prison too!

      moriri.mosweu - 2013-01-10 01:12

      And in Africa at large, greyhond

      art.brigg - 2013-01-10 03:00

      I agree fully Justin, sadly politics and money are ruining sports.

      thomas.cannon.712 - 2013-01-10 03:44

      Time to get an international sports boycott on all SA sports due to racial interference in sport by government!!!! This time it will not be for only having one colour in the teams, it will be for not having enough of one colour in the team!!! Silly us to think racism in sport was over!!!!!!!

      dennis.vermaak.5 - 2013-01-10 05:18

      How to turn the #1 rated team in the world into bafana bafana ........ !!

      hein.huyser - 2013-01-10 06:07

      One would think so Justin, but it seems that no1 spot isn't good enough for these cretins. All racists, all of them. Better we form a team of our own and challenge them. The winning team can represent South Africa internationally. Better still. A separate homeland, independent of these morons will be our best option. Then we can field our own soccer, rugby and cricket teams, consisting of players chosen only on merit. Have these brainless cretins not learned from the mistakes they made with our netball team? Once amongst the best in the world, and now? The last place is just good enough for them. Getting fed up with these guys

      james.hunt.161214 - 2013-01-10 06:41

      If not based on merit then the agenda is not sport but politics. If this is implemented then the cricket team will soon be ranked alongside the Bafana on the world stage.

      george.anderson.796569 - 2013-01-10 07:02

      The anc way of doing things, if we are not in charge, DESTROY it

      mike.plansera - 2013-01-10 07:21

      Wonder what Zuma would say about this? After all, cricket is so unafrican. Decolonise your African mind and all...

      johan.uys.75 - 2013-01-10 07:22

      We need more black players in our National soccer team.

      gerhard.bacharach - 2013-01-10 10:01

      We need more SOCCER PLAYERS in our national soccer team.

      darryl.maze1 - 2013-01-10 12:02

      I'm so over this whole more blacks in the teams. Just because your black you must just get put in the team???? Mr Basson you are a racist and now you wanna appoint a black selector. Cricket and rugby is gonna go the same way as our soccer.

      francoisjacques.malan - 2013-01-10 12:25

      @priyal, I remember Makhaya taking a ten wicket haul at Lords, first S African to do so! Why is it that white, coloured and indians see Makhaya as a South African and one of us, yet blacks see a South African of another race and call him one of them! Am I being racist by saying blacks are the most racist ppl in SA?!

      mike.arc.144 - 2013-01-10 12:34

      to all the poor black victims.......who dont get a chance to play.....where is your standing ( soccer team .) at the moment . 84 th in the world . your soccer team is also 10 million in dept and on the brink of Bankruptcy . Why ??? no white management , no white player , all just fat black corrupt racists like you running the show. and what happens ..... the stats speak for it self !! we choose our players through merit . there is millions more soccer players to choose from in south africa to what we have to choose from to get a proper rugby team .... and still you cant do nothing with it .if you cant make a success of any of anything you try to do in SA it just shows to you ( black Anc ) to leave our sport alone or it will fail also....http://www.sport24.co.za/Soccer/SAFA-R10m-in-debt-report-20130106 .

      darryl.maze1 - 2013-01-10 14:26

      I'm so tired of this race card rubbish. Just because you are black you must just get put in the team. If thats the way its gonna go then you might as well say goodbye to all sports. Soccer is a perfect example of complete failure and now you want to appoint a black selectorjust so he can put black players in. Mr Basson you are pathetic and a complete racist. Just leave politics out of sport.

      sgrussell87 - 2013-01-10 16:12

      I would have played Tsolekile on merit. I don't think AB should be keeping wicket in tests - added to the fact that Dean Elgar has done nothing. That said, I don't think there should be any quotas in SA sport. I think it would be a tragedy if Khune was to make way for Sandilands, just because he is the best white player in SA and we need one whitey in the team. Racism has no place in sport and quotas are racist.

      joe.massa.92 - 2013-01-11 09:01

      The only player who should be considered is young Q De Kock. He should have been given the opportuniy in the two tests against NZ. Let AB focus on his batting and give De Kock the opportunity to settle into the national side. He has all the right attributes to not only become a great international keeper but also a great international batsman. He could be the South African version of Adam Gilchrist. Thami is a great guy and a good keeper but probably a bit to old to be starting a international career.

  • travis.beesley.5 - 2013-01-09 22:28

    Guess we can say goodbye to our no1 ranking if this is enforced. Transformation at national level is a joke. Unfortunately for Thami he is just not good enough, sorry. I really don't care if our whole team was black or pink aslong as we field the best team. Suppose the corrupt CSA think otherwise.

      jeremy002 - 2013-01-10 06:39

      Vote with your feet. If it is not on merit, don't attend games, switch to some other sport on TV, start a nationwide campaign about it. Sponsors will soon see the results and pull out. CSA will soon see that they have shot themselves in the foot. Come on, let us start a campaign. Empty stands at international cricket games - perfect.

      squeegee.pilot - 2013-01-10 06:56

      Where is the response from the IOC, FIFA and all the other worldwide sporting bodies that were so vocal pre- 94? Why don't they threaten bans because of political interference in sport and racist administrators?

      tc.convulvulous - 2013-01-10 07:19

      May as well also drop that damn Springbok emblem in Rugby. We no longer care.

      nhla.prv - 2013-01-10 07:27

      I agree 100% that all must be selected on merit and in my view ,if that was the case ,Thami would be playing in the NZ Tour.

      travis.beesley.5 - 2013-01-10 08:24

      @Nhla. Why would the selectors want to select a new wicketkeeper who is nearly 33 years old ? Even if he turns out to be the best keeper in the world he has MAX 4 years left. Im sure the selectors have their reasons for not selecting him.

      julius.malememba.7 - 2013-01-10 09:14

      nhla.prv ... my dear brainless brada ... just who is Thami better than ???? AB --- NO!! Dale --- hell no!!! King Kallis ... not even in the same league!!!!!!!!!! So who, in your mindless opinion, would be left out (on merit) so that Thami could play???

      robin.lloyd.7 - 2013-01-10 09:59

      @nhla, you want to tell he is better than De Kock. Now that is a talent for the future. Thami hasn't a chance.

      julius.malememba.7 - 2013-01-10 11:58

      CSA I thank you my friendz... you make me happy to be black 4eva in SA... I am so happy that I will be black in SA bcos that means I will always be paid more than whites even if I do half the work u do, I will get a free house when whites have to pay for theirs, free water that whites pay for... it is verrrrry nice being black in SA...And being bleck in Sa means we both take from the white peepoel... even if we both work hard. I work hard to... I have 8 mouths to feed...and my 3rd wife (she is white BTW) pregnant... so if my government gives me the money of the white peepoel I will take it... if my government gives me the job of the white peepoel then I will take it... and if my president gives me the taxes of the white peepoel I will use it... and CSA futher assists my president to give jobs to bleck peepoel... I love being a black peepoel in SA.

      francoisjacques.malan - 2013-01-10 12:40

      @travis I believe the selectors pulled him into the squad because they believe he is good! I think they would have played him soon anyways, but now, with these turdbreath politicians getting involved with race etc, when they do pick him, the credibility of his place would be in question, which is really really unfair to a player like him!

  • king.kaf.9 - 2013-01-09 22:35

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      squeegee.pilot - 2013-01-10 06:59

      Why not demand that quotas be considered for the Masters this year? All these whites like Ernie, Retief, Charl,etc cannot any longer be acceptable.. Laughable.

  • dhirshan.gobind - 2013-01-09 22:37

    Fine, but no double standards. Enforce equal representation in soccer too! Why are you clowns messing with our number 1 ranking?

      womba.wonder - 2013-01-10 02:21

      Most whites would really prefer not being quota players, thank you very much.

      rontheogre - 2013-01-10 05:40

      Why no push to have transformation in tennis, jukskei, bowls, swimming, darts, archery, etc. Because there is no money to be made or pilfered by officials. And while we are at it, why are 100% of kwaiti dancers seen on TV black, don't we need transformation there as well? What about tenderpreneurs, seems that the black, coloured and indian population totally overshadow the playing field. God, these calls and threats for transformation should let most black people that once were proud and confident feel totally incompetent and inadequate in the SA of today.

      chrisin.oz.1 - 2013-01-10 06:02

      It's the way of the ANC. You will never see the Springbok debate or quotas come up when the teams perform poorly. But as soon as they excell, the old African thing of pulling people down to the level where no-one stands out comes in. The ANC will be most happy if every sports team performs as poorly as Bafunny. That is their goal.

  • kgosi.s.mogosetso - 2013-01-09 22:39

    Thats stupid u know its things like this that makes u wish sometimes u were not south african cos of this race thing and transformation u have to in national team because u are good enough not because of yr skin colour thatz bull

      pieter.kunz - 2013-01-09 23:53

      I feel the same way. I would say use the SA A team to grow young talent black, white, indian... When someone retires or gets injured move him up the ranks. Forcing someone will only cause players to opt for county contracts. Just look at england national team with almost more south africans then english...

  • nick.collis.16 - 2013-01-09 22:40

    I think we get to the top of certain sporting codes despite ourselves! How much better could we be if we follow the maxim " the best man for thej job" Of course we need continual support for the our most deprived young sportsmen and feeder regions but to racially engineer at 1st class and national level is ludicrous. If sport is run from the bottom up then the racial mix will take care of itself with the proviso that there may be a certain bias amongst the racial groups for certain sports. The fact that according to our politicians this is not the case is perhaps more a reflection on their inability to run sport from the bottom up than any selection bias at national level. Fed up.....we are 18 years into a democracy!

  • YuccaN - 2013-01-09 22:42

    Can't find any khoi could you?

  • dominique.wood.14 - 2013-01-09 22:44

    Here we go again. Skills out the door once more.

  • avremel.niselow - 2013-01-09 22:46

    And there goes the number one ranking. To be the best, the team must be based on merit.

  • mark.smit.33 - 2013-01-09 22:48

    South Africa is now the No 1 Test cricket side in the world, and close to top in the one-day rankings. But that is not enough. Now political radicals want to FORCE black Africans into the side. Look how many so-called coloured players are coming through, while NO credible black players have come through (Makhaya Ntini excepted). Is there not a reason for this - a reason that should be under investigation. Andrew Hudson is the most honest, decent human being around. but I think we can expect his resignation any day now, after his "briefing" (read indoctrination) by the board. We have come so far but there are still those chip-on-shoulder throwbacks who insist on dragging it all back into cesspool of political opportunism. If black players are not coming through, it's because there AREN'T any good enough black talents to challenge for places in what is now an extremely good cricket team. This team's exploits have proved beyond doubt that merit is the ONLY criterion that should be applied when picking it. It is obvious, from the choice of words used in comments by the likes of Willie Basson and Jacques Faul, that bitter conflict once again rages behind CSA doors. When will they understand that fans love the winning, they love a JP Duminy ton, a Vernon Philander "fyfer" or a glorious Amla innings. They could not care less that there is not a specific "representivity" in the side. Sponsors love it too..

      immackenzie - 2013-01-09 23:44

      Yup yup agree 100%

  • bcluley - 2013-01-09 22:49

    This coontry is really screwed up.racism is still aliva and is caused by the anc

      chrisin.oz.1 - 2013-01-10 06:03

      Whites are the least racist in South Africa.

      zamani.ndlovu.5203 - 2013-01-10 07:22

      It is not caused by the anc.it is caused by racial inequality.the anc wants blacks to thrive too and you can't contain that.deep down you know that we are not a transformed society yet.its the duty of CSA,gvt and franchises to oversea transformation.the biggest culprit is the franchises because its where national players are being selected.I believe franchises deliberately overlook black players to thwart them from shining at international level

  • jacobus.louw.5 - 2013-01-09 22:52

    Let them have the team. We netherlands and germany which are struggling teams and those are our origin countries. I'd much rather support my favourite players from a country from my origin then have to watch how the best players sit on the sideline. Unfortunately we built the foundation of the proteas for the last 100 years! Soon they are going to tell jacques kallis to retire to make space for a black player. Let them have it... Hahaha

      thebe.motshwadira - 2013-01-10 04:57

      F*ck off then, rather someone 100% committed to this country than half hearts

      chrisin.oz.1 - 2013-01-10 06:05

      And by having an inferiour player in the team just because he is black makes you 100% comitted to the country? I think you should rather f*ck off untill you would prefer the best player in the team, no matter if he is black or not.

      mzuvukile.maswana - 2013-01-10 07:21

      You guys are still on about the very same History that you wrote and indocrinated us about. Whether you say we migrated from the North,East,West,South the fact of the matter is that it is still in Africa not Europe.Pity that this History of yours only begins after 1820 even though you claim boeta Jan came about in 1652.

      chrisin.oz.1 - 2013-01-10 07:46

      mzuvukile, the country is called South Africa, not Africa. So don't be high and mighty. The FACTS, not apartheid indoctrination, states that black people displaced the khoi-san from the southern part of Africa. So don't try to be high and mighty. Your ancestors are "guilty" of the same things my ancestors are.

  • Adrian99 - 2013-01-09 22:53

    This is actually ridiculous. We just got the balance of our team right and now they want to go ruin it... I have no faith in this country anymore. As much as I disagree with the quota system and I really would love players to be selected on merit, the fact remains that it is there so what we need to do is structure it properly. The quota system only needs to apply at school level. Building the "previously disadvantaged" from young and giving them the ability to take there career to club level and possibly further and not starting from the top. If they start young and are taught properly there would be no need for this at provincial and national level because they would good enough to make the squad without being forcefully selected. You cannot build a house from the top.

  • Ayanda Daniel - 2013-01-09 22:55

    My brothers are jealous that the proteas are the best without quotas eish the anc is useless sometimes...ok all the time i mean!

  • russell.paschke - 2013-01-09 22:59

    Time for SA cricket fans to start telling CSA - select players on merit or else! Please, 19 years after the ANC came to power and one still has to hear about this! It's very easy - modern cricket is professional and all about money. Who generates the money? The spectators! Well then let CSA transform their spectator fees to allow for the "previously disadvantaged" to support the games and the "currently disadvantaged" can vote with their money and stay away. Democracy rules!

  • Ntutu Dlova - 2013-01-09 23:02

    I'm all for transformation,but a player has to be good enough. Unfortunately for Thami his batting is not up to scratch. He has been around long enough to know that he should have worked more on his batting skills. The selectors shouldn't have taken him to England& Australia just to have a black player in the pictures. Stop this crap

      jeremy.forbes.1293 - 2013-01-10 02:49

      They used to say the same about Hash Amla and look at him now! During the early days of his test career the English use to call him a wicket on legs, quite mockingly. The point is that Hash was given a chance and the time to prove himself at the highest level, the same could have been done for Thami and should be done for other players in the future. International cricket is a very tough place to become accustomed to, players need time. Why would you play Dean Elgar instead of Thami?

      Adrian99 - 2013-01-11 10:02

      @Jeremey... You guys are obviously forgetting that Thami did play test cricket for SA. Against India and he was dreadful, miss stumpings and drop catches. Also a batting average of 9 through out the whole series. Now if he was just a batsman fine, we could persist with him a little longer. But when you cost a team with the gloves and the bat, unfortunately international cricket is harsh and you got to go. His first class career unfortunately is overrated as well. In my opinion... CSA if you want another black player, pick someone else... He is 32, give a youngster a go rather.

  • mzuvukile.maswana - 2013-01-09 23:07

    Load of bull explaination by Andrew Hudson. How many opportunities was he as a batsman given during his time? He was not even a recognised fielder let alone his poor batting average in the international arena. Avg 33. Look at the case studies of Amla and Philander. These two on their first two tests they were called all sorts of things by the critics and now they are singing their praises. The very same critics.

      ryan.holland.395454 - 2013-01-10 00:43

      "Case studies"? What an insult. They are in their rightful positions in the national team and always have been.

      chrisin.oz.1 - 2013-01-10 06:09

      mzuvukile, I have to laugh at the two players you give as an example. Under the directive Hudson's now been given, someone like Amla or Philander will find it more difficult to get into test cricket. They're not black enough. Even though it might be fairly safe to assume Philander's ancestors where the original people of South Africa (hottentot) before the black Africans displaced them and took over their country.

      Sonnyjakes - 2013-01-10 07:13

      What a lot of nonsense! Hudson was the first SA player to make a ton on debut. Get your facts straight.

      mzuvukile.maswana - 2013-01-10 07:13

      From what I gather here is that people don't tend to read properly. Also they have not been tracking these two players in the National Team. I never said they don't deserve to be there as they have proven their critics wrong in so many ways. Remember that the same Amla was dropped after his two Test debut but still perfomed well for his province. Philander also so my point is they just didn't drop out of the blue to perfom miracles and were certainly written off the Test arena.

      robert.meyer.967422 - 2013-01-10 07:31

      man you are thick

      chrisin.oz.1 - 2013-01-10 07:55

      So toe soos 'n klei-os se g@t, robert. Mzu, we are all 100% behind those two and all know they are in the team on merit. But you were the one to choose to use them as your examples of non-white players who plays well. Unfortunately what you're not getting is that players like these two will find it much harder firstly to get into the team and secondly to come back if they make a shaky start like they in fact did, because a black quota player would be preferred.

      bern1975 - 2013-01-10 08:06

      Hash performed well for the Dolphins and was selected and then dropped because he didn't perform for the Proteas. Then after working on his technique he made a comeback and is now one of the best in the world...this is true merit. Big Vern performed well over numerous seasons and was selected as an in-form player. He also performed from his first test and is now the number two bowler in the world. I've never read or heard anyone saying derogatory things of any of these two. As far as Hudson goes, yes, he was in the national team way longer than he should have been and his average suffered because of that. Does that make him incompetent as a selector, I doubt it.

  • hawkinstribe - 2013-01-09 23:09

    Maybe it's time to call for sanctions against South Africa again. The world was quick to prevent tours because of race policies - why is it ok now when it's the other way around?

      hanno.vanhelsdingen - 2013-01-10 09:47

      Yes to this

  • dirkengelbrecht - 2013-01-09 23:15

    Mzuvukile Amla is Indian and Philander is half white. CSA said African blacks. Like makhaya. And.......only makhaya.

      Wesley Pretorius - 2013-01-10 00:16

      Wow, you clearly know absolutely nothing about cricket at all then. Makhaya is NOT the only black South African to play for the national side....Lonwabo Tsotsobe, Monde Zondeki, Mfuneko Ngam, Phangiso more recently, even Tsolekile has a few caps. Please don't insult the rest of these players by displaying your absolute ignorance and referring to Makhaya as the only black african cricket player!

  • jane.devilliers.77 - 2013-01-09 23:18

    omw, we just smoked the kiwi's...now this?

  • lorrenzo.mokgosana - 2013-01-09 23:23

    i'm a proudly black south african man but i dont understand the whole racial transformation nonsense i mean really now,our soccer team is 99% black why are they no saying that there is a need for white player to have equal representation.Players should be selected on merit not skin colour.yes i would love to see all south africans being represented but only those deserve to represent the country should be selected not just because we want to see the blackeness in everything!!!!!!!WE ARE ALL SOUTH AFRICANS FOR GODNESS SAKE,black,white,indian coloured who cares.

      pieter.kunz - 2013-01-09 23:54

      Double like! Well said..

      chrisin.oz.1 - 2013-01-10 06:12

      lorrenzo is a real, proper South African. Passionate about the country and his fellow South Africans. SA needs more people like him and chase racist filth like lukuzu into the sea.

      chrisin.oz.1 - 2013-01-10 07:04

      pula, the only reason why you have bosses, is because you still want to be bossed.

      mzuvukile.maswana - 2013-01-10 07:28

      @Luzuko you couldn't have said it better chief. Even currently we do have such players like Deon Furman, Wayne Sunderlands, Dave Somas etc etc. As you have mentioned there has never been a qouta in soccer if you are good you are called up instead of such mediocre excuses of cricket and rugby. These days they even experiment with players position just to deprive an african player an opportunity. In cricket they used AB de Villiers and in Rugby they used Francois Hougaard.

      jaco.d.villiers.1 - 2013-01-10 08:29

      @Luzako.... our Soccer, OH SORRY, Bafana Bafana team had one of their most succesfull periods under that WHITE captain and goalkeeper. That team was probably the best racialy represented team we have had. But so what??? You strike me as one of those so called South Africans who blames the past for everything wrong in your life. Its up to you as a citizen to change this country for the better. Its up to all of us! We want winning sport teams surely... why keep dragging politics in sport? Let all play and lets select the best team we can. Come on man, get those racist feelings out of your system, its not helping anybody or your country.

      mike.arc.144 - 2013-01-10 12:23

      @ Luzuko .where is your standing ( soccer team .) at the moment . 84 th in the world . your soccer team is also 10 million in dept and on the brink of Bankruptcy . Why ??? no white management , no white player , all just fat black corrupt racists like you running the show. and what happens ..... the stats speak for it self !! http://www.sport24.co.za/Soccer/SAFA-R10m-in-debt-report-20130106 .

  • she.is.here.777 - 2013-01-09 23:26

    Amablomma blomma nee dankie!

  • xolani.sikade - 2013-01-09 23:27

    How many times Edgar fail on Aus tour?yet was selected on NZ tour!Tsolekile is been sideline because of his skin colour!They don't trust him!How many years we've been singing the same song?Amla is the best batsman nd as soon he looses his form they will drop him!but if its Kallis?u knw the answer!Black players should give 200% before they will be given a game time!Hudson too was a big flop during his playing days yet he was playing everytime!Give Tsolekile game time too!

      travis.beesley.5 - 2013-01-09 23:40

      Xolani, sorry but your rant is not backed up by any facts. Kallis is probably the best player test cricket has ever seen. Tsolekile had his chance in 2004 and he didn't perform and I'm sure if Elgar doesn't perform he will be dropped just like Harris,Rudolph and many white players before them. If you are going to talk sh*t atleast back it up with facts

      nervern - 2013-01-10 01:28

      I kinda agree with u...how long did it take for Philander to get a chance, even though he kicked ass for how many years at domestic level. Elgar and that mclarren bra is workin on my got...lol. Fact is white players seem to get a easier route...

      womba.wonder - 2013-01-10 02:28

      It's Elgar, not Edgar. And he played in only one test. And got a pair on debut. It happens. ( It also happened to Graham Gooch, who went on to be a very successful England captain. Also the former NZ skipper, Ken Rutherford. And it also befell the legendary Allan Donald, who is the Proteas' bowling coach right now.)

      croix.mactee - 2013-01-10 04:57

      Sikade - you talking manure, sir.

      mzuvukile.maswana - 2013-01-10 07:32

      @Travis remind again plz what was Kallis average in his first ten tests?

      Johannes - 2013-01-10 10:13

      Mzuvu - JK finished school breaking records through every grade he went though. When he finished school he stated playing for WP and played well there too. You just have to look at him play for a few strokes before you realize the man is something special. The selectors saw this in a young boy. You wouldn't give him the chance? Tsolekile is 37 already. His batting has always been below average... Your argument is invalid.

      travis.beesley.5 - 2013-01-10 11:30

      @Mzuvu. His batting average was pretty poor for his first 10 tests. What's your point ? Kallis showed during his earlier career that he had exceptional technique and was a special player, Thami on the other hand is an average batsmen to say the least and has never really improved much on that for the last 13 years so why should we put a less than average player in the team who has less than 4 years left in his career ? Your defending him because he is black, im saying he has had 13 years to prove himself irrespective of his colour and he hasnt done that. If he was white I would be saying the same thing.

      travis.beesley.5 - 2013-01-10 11:34

      @Mzuvu. And FYI his average according to Cricinfo was just below 40.

      mzuvukile.maswana - 2013-01-10 11:41

      You see Travis now you get my point. Kallis was given numerous chances because he showed technique yet they don't have those patiance with players of colour. Amla also showed glimpses of technique and was dropped to go and improve his yet he still perfomed tremendously for his province. Natie Wayward Hayward was given numerous chances also to improve himself, same as Clive Eksteen but with players of colour its a different tune.

      travis.beesley.5 - 2013-01-10 13:45

      Mvuzu do you not think the time difference between Amla's and Kallis' debut could be a factor ? Amla 2004 and Kallis 1995. Different selectors during these periods so its very difficult to compare as the selectors who decided to keep Kallis despite bad form were not around in 2004. I highly doubt a selector looks at a player of colour and decides to drop him for this reason and if this was the case then I would be just as upset as you but as I said I highly doubt it. What about players like Zander De Bruyn who played 3 tests at an average of 37 , he is not a player of colour but was never recalled. What about Charl Willoughby who played 2 tests and was never recalled ? You are placing to much emphasis on race , some people get chances and others dont , thats life.

  • staal.burgher - 2013-01-09 23:28

    The fact that coloured players are very well represented tells the whole story. Just because you have black kids playing cricket at very junior levels but who do not come from cricket neighbourhoods or families and who probably all prefer soccer does not mean anything. Those black kids are only playing cricket because they get given equipment, coaches etc by people OTHER THAN THEIR COMMUNITY! So the moment you stop licking them to play the damn game they revert back to soccer probably. Not saying all of them but at the end of the day sport is a money and numbers game. Coloureds on the other hand have always played cricket and rugby, it is part of their community. I don't know why anyone is surprised that this is the situation now. Sometimes I just hate this country. Quota this, quota that. If black kids come through the ranks they will make the team on merit. Stop screwing around with ultimatums. Politicians are such useless pieces of human trash. And isn't it just amazing how right after we become no.1 they all sit up and go "hey, there aren't any black Africans playing". Same thing happened with the rugby whenever some achievement is attained. Then the politicians cry that they don't have a share of the pie. Isn't is a bitch when you can't steal it.

      hanno.vanhelsdingen - 2013-01-10 08:58

      Yes to this. Agree!!

  • kgotlaetsile.mophuti - 2013-01-09 23:29

    How many whites are there in bafana bafana squad? Only one! At the moment only 2 black players deserve to be in the proteas squad TSOTSOBE AND PHANGISO

      sandra.j.rennie - 2013-01-09 23:54

      Never seen Matthew Booth play a game though ! What's wrong with these black players. Is he not good enough ?

      xolani.nyuswa - 2013-01-10 01:42

      Furman and sandilands, mophuti, lopsy is injured n arron is in d odi squad for the nz tour

      chrisin.oz.1 - 2013-01-10 06:16

      I'm a huge Tsolekile fan and was hoping he could get into the SA set-up much earlier. Unfortunately for him SA Cricket is looking at options to retain the balance of bowlers and batsmen when Kallis retires in a few years time. Yes, Tsolekile is a better keeper than AB, but AB as keeper lets you play that extra bowler (or batsmen) which will be lost when Kallis retires. I doubt SA will be able to replace Kallis with the same quality allrounder to afford a keeper batting low down the order.

      PointBlank - 2013-01-10 08:49

      There are no white players in bafana for AFCON.

      unclejb.vansiths - 2013-01-10 09:18

      Point blank get your facts straight Furman is a sure starter for Bafana and Sandilands is the no.2 goalkeeper......get your facts right before opening your pie hole

  • bryan.holloway.bee - 2013-01-09 23:31

    This is about proportional represention, or so they would have us believe. If so then I must ask why there are no black swimmers in the olympic swimming team, no blacks in the national bowls,jukskei,waterpolo,badminton and several other lesser know sports that are also represented by SA. Is this only about representation in the most popular sporting codes is what I ask. SA I believe is the ONLY country that is trying 2 enforce this. This is the BEE of sport and does not bode well for the future if selection is based on what you are instead of how good you are. As far as the proteas are concerned, they have a winning combination and can prove it. It is not to be messed with at this time for all the wrong reasons. In time black cricketers will be good enough for selection as they come through the ranks and will merit selection as will be the case in all other sports, if they are good enough. Enough said.

  • joesty214 - 2013-01-09 23:32

    Its a fact we need to be multi racial in every sport, Tsolekile's downfall it's his batting skills. Hence, De Villiers WKeeping has given us opportunity to have a man like Faf, i'm black but so far so good.

  • philip.vde - 2013-01-09 23:35

    Then I will support Australia

      chrisin.oz.1 - 2013-01-10 06:19

      If that really happens I suppose you will see Australia and England's line-ups include names like van der Merwe, de Villiers, du Toit, Niewoudt or Grobler.

      unclejb.vansiths - 2013-01-10 09:20

      Better yet just move to Oz sure you will feel right at home in Perth.

      chrisin.oz.1 - 2013-01-10 22:45

      Yes come to Aus. You'll even find some good South African friends here. I'll introduce you to Thabo, Sipho and Philemon. Also Joseph Makgopo, my neighbour.

  • mark.taitz.5 - 2013-01-09 23:35

    Must only ever be on merit at first class and national level. All effort must be thrown at school and club level. Having said that, unless the education system improves with better schools and facilities for all, the majority of top players will continue to come from the traditional cricketing schools eg KES, Bishops, Durban High, Grey, etc. Fact of life, just as it is currently a fact of life that the majority of black kids in this country are receiving inferior education, nutrition, nevermind little to no sporting facilities and coaching. CSA should be pointing it's grubby fingers at the government, not Andrew Hudson. However, Andrew's rationale for not playing Thami doesn't make sense. AB is in the side for his batting first and foremost, not as wicketkeeper. The fact that he is playing wicketkeeper has given us the opportunity of playing a specialist batsman at 7 but no one has really performed much better in that position than a wicketkeeper-batsman might have. Thami should have been given a chance, which would also have taken the pressure off AB, who now because of all his committments isn't captaining the T20 side anymore.

      womba.wonder - 2013-01-10 02:31

      AB is a considerably better wicketkeeper than Thami.

  • Marco van Rensburg - 2013-01-09 23:37

    I don't have a problem giving black players a chance, but just putting players in, because of their skin colour is absolute insult. I feel for Thami, bcuz he knows he is not good enough and he is put in squads to make them racial okay? Bitch please nr. Test nation and 2 in ODI what is the problem?

  • Vishen - 2013-01-09 23:38

    Solution: There are not enough black cricketers coming through the franchise system, simply because there are too few franchises. I propose CSA reverts to a two tier first class system (12 teams, promotion and relegation) so as to retain the strength vs strength attribute of the system, as well as providing more opportunities for black players to experience first class cricket. You can then by all means impose quotas on these franchises to ensure representativity. The national team however, must then be selected purely on merit.

  • immackenzie - 2013-01-09 23:41

    Transformation means there is a greater need for development at school and Club level. You cannot select one based on his colour the best player should play regardless of politics. Don't undermine the players of colour by allowing then to doubt there own abilities due to our skewed selection policies. Correct me if I am wrong but I am pretty sure there are not four white players in our national soccer team?

  • NguVala - 2013-01-09 23:41

    This is a very sensitive issue and first and foremost, we need to respond with outmost responsibility. Whatever happens, it cannot compromise our current standing in world cricket. Any player should be picked on merit. Looking at the current test team and available black african players, with all due respect, I do not see any player staking a claim in any position. The only position is possibly the last batting spot because the guys have not really made it their own. Faf will play at 6 going forward and Duminy should come into that position once he gets back to fitness. All in all; transformation should not compromise performance. My fellow blacks should rather strive to be better than the current crop and that will take some doing.

  • jan.botha2 - 2013-01-09 23:47

    Look where it is taking Bafana! Numer one in the cricket world is not enough! No, we must be lower down to conform with the low expectations of this racist country!

  • christi.j.vanvuren - 2013-01-09 23:58

    Ai. Here we go again. Then start working to be the best at it. African is African. Whether I am black or white or coloured or indian. Just like Sascoc. Rig elections and use the budget as a personal bank account, then teach it to our best sporting codes. I support myself from now on. Goodbye sport.

  • neil.gouws.5 - 2013-01-10 00:06

    If the players are good enough to play they should be elected to play. It is no use forcing a player ( of any colour) into the team if he is not good enough. A player should be elected to represent his country on merit and merit alone. If the best 11 cricket players in SA were black then the proteas would be represented by those 11 players based on their cricketing skill and not their colour, however the best 11 cricket players does not include a black person. So the cricket board is trying to force players who are not of standard into the team, that is by no means a decision made for the furthering of sport in South Africa but rather a purely pollitical decision. Only when we can seperate sport and politics will South African sport reach its true potential.

  • neil.gouws.5 - 2013-01-10 00:07

    If the players are good enough to play they should be elected to play. It is no use forcing a player ( of any colour) into the team if he is not good enough. A player should be elected to represent his country on merit and merit alone. If the best 11 cricket players in SA were black then the proteas would be represented by those 11 players based on their cricketing skill and not their colour, however the best 11 cricket players does not include a black person. So the cricket board is trying to force players who are not of standard into the team, that is by no means a decision made for the furthering of sport in South Africa but rather a purely pollitical decision. Only when we can seperate sport and politics will South African sport reach its true potential.

  • FinalJustice - 2013-01-10 00:12

    Note to CSA: strange enough I still read these articles for the sake of the information, and only to confirm the fact that I resigned my interest in cricket 4-5years ago because of all this crap! Politics and money are ruling the game, and other than thinking about who got paid to throw the match - I'd rather watch Formula 1 or tenpen bowling in stead of supporting SA sports. F#*k them all, you ruined it for me a long time ago.

  • eidel.bock - 2013-01-10 00:14

    If you are good enough you will be a first choice irrespective the color of your skin. Any player should be selected on merit and nothing else. If you want to be the best you select the best. Our country are the only in the world who enforce race in sport teams. The current players other than white are on merit in the team and perform admirably. South Africa is becoming in all aspects the laughing stock of the world. If I was a black player and selected and know I am in the team as a number will withdraw myself. Due to this attitude we are losing players who emigrate. England national team is a good example of loaded with ex SA players.

  • mpho.gift.1804 - 2013-01-10 00:15

    Why destroy talent? Interference will destroy the team. Players of colour who are talented will prove themselves. Why push them

  • prinesh.govender.9 - 2013-01-10 00:19

    First and foremost... We are the best test playing cricket team in the world. Nothing and noone (not even big Jay-Z) should do anything to cause this ranking to be put at risk. If the next Ntini comes along, all the best to him and I hope that he inspires many more young black kids to pick up a bat and ball. Problem is though, we're more likely to see another Philander, Amla or Petesen coming though, as opposed to a Ntini or Thami. If young black kids are not playing cricket, then they're not playing cricket. Simple as that. We can't fabricate players out of nowhere. Granted, there are some really bright young black talents playing domestically, but i'm sure if you ask them, they'll say that they would want to be in the Proteas side on merit (these guys have pride in their abilities and i'm sure that hand-me-outs do not appeal to them) However, in light of the fact that our team is settled and composed, we should do NOTHING AT ALL TO DISTURB IT! This is a sport, please just fuggin leave your dirty fuggin political fingers out of it! You've messed up enough of our country already! Dammit man! MXM!!

  • thomas.pringle.33 - 2013-01-10 00:25

    Eish.

  • lybon1 - 2013-01-10 00:48

    R.I.P potential cricket dynasty

  • kyle.white.39750 - 2013-01-10 01:03

    Agreed

  • megan.choi.526 - 2013-01-10 01:28

    Why are there no disabled transsexuals on the team?

      womba.wonder - 2013-01-10 02:35

      Why are there no Indians in the team? There are over a million Indians in SA and cricket is something they're far more passionate about than any other sport and they're generally very good at too.

      chrisin.oz.1 - 2013-01-10 06:33

      Amla?

  • william.britz.902 - 2013-01-10 02:07

    tsolikele is way to old.dont the suits get it.we finaly getting somewhere in the cricketing world and now the okes with all the money and no knowledge want to f

  • geoffrey.walters.1 - 2013-01-10 02:09

    Watch how they are going to break cricket and will mount to nothing ,but there soccer team can stay pitch black ,and what is happening there ,look where they are on the log ,,,merit is the name of the game ,never mess a good thing up ,will see all white players go over sea's...

  • womba.wonder - 2013-01-10 02:19

    Quota players carry the detested quota stain with them forever, no matter how good they are and whether they would make the team on nothing but merit. It's a stain that spreads indelibly over each and every player whose selection goes towards meeting that race-quota.

  • gsaker1 - 2013-01-10 03:17

    Passing laws that force selectors of sporting teams to pick players based on the colours of their skin is racism...Racism is not and never has been mutually exclusive to white Europeans. Anyone who thinks this knows absolutely nothing about human history. I would never support a racist regime in any nation but equally I will not support what is effectively reverse racism. You cure nothing with this type of policy making but only make players - regardless of their race, religion and colour - angry and bitter when they know they have the better track record and credentials to be in the team and they have a righth as much as anyone to be selected if they have the natural talent and have done the hard work. The best players should always be picked. If you must have these reverse racist policies - then make it at domestic level only - not international level - Your national side in any sport must always be the best available players period!

  • Stella.Eilers.Barnard - 2013-01-10 03:49

    WHERE IS THE WHITE PLAYERS IN THE NATIONAL SOCCER TEAM????? Zuma said that the blacks should stay true tu their roots...rugby and cricket ar a whiteman culture...he said that 3 weeks ago..remember the speech he gave about the fact that petdogs is the whiteman culture...why all the noise about blacks in rugby, cricket ect...its a whitemans culture...stay true tu ur roots! Eish ask ur prez...