Room for Luke in Bok squad?

2011-03-31 12:35

JJ Harmse

Poor Peter de Villiers. For years he was castigated because he picked Ricky Januarie in his Springbok team, despite the fact that the beefy scrumhalf rewarded him with a match-winning performance against the All Blacks in Dunedin.

On Wednesday, De Villiers announced his new contracted group of Springboks. Januarie’s name was absent. So where are the headlines today congratulating the coach in ‘dropping’ the Stormers halfback?

I suppose the reality of the situation is that there were more pressing issues that came to the fore after De Villiers first had a media session with the Gauteng-based journalists in the morning and then with the Cape Town clan in the afternoon.

John Smit’s captaincy, the use of consultants and the possible drafting in of overseas-based players (read Frans Steyn) are all dominating the headlines today.

I did not see any with regards to Januarie and maybe that is a fair indication how far down the ladder that issue has dropped.

For those of you who are wondering, De Villiers said that Januarie’s injury that prevented him from touring with the Boks in November last year and his recent form ruled him out of contention for a contract.

It is now up to the former Hopefield hero to fight back and show that he still is good enough to play for the Springboks.

Getting regular starting time for the Stormers will be crucial in that regard, but I fear Januarie’s dream to go to New Zealand and play in his second Rugby World Cup is diminishing fast.

But let’s give the player time to prove us wrong.

When looking at the contracts list, I was immediately struck by the fact that there were no fullbacks.

I was expecting Gio Aplon and Zane Kirchner to be there, or at least one of them, as they played in most of the Test matches in 2010.

This can be seen as a vote of confidence in Steyn, I suppose, and proof that the Racing Metro player will be there when De Villiers names his "bigger group" in June.

Steyn should be there. He does offer the Boks something extra with his kicking abilities and the fact that he can slot in anywhere from 10-15 in the backline, makes him a must have.

I was quite happy to see Juan de Jongh’s name among the elite, but was surprised that Adi Jacobs was still there.

There's nothing wrong with the silky skills of the Sharks midfielder, but he also played very little rugby in 2010, so in a way, surely the same should have applied to him?

I am also happy to see Wynand Olivier’s name among the contracted list. Although he is having a torrid time at the moment and despite what all his detractors say, he has the gold medals to prove his worth.

No other centre in the country has been more consistent in the last three seasons of Super Rugby. That is fact and stats prove it. I predict Olivier to bounce back in spectacular fashion sooner rather than later.

The Bok coach referred to Steyn mainly when asked about overseas-based players. Include the name of Ruan Pienaar, who is just too versatile and talented not to travel to New Zealand. He can cover all backline positions, but I am expecting him to travel as one of the three scrumhalves, with Fourie du Preez and Francois Hougaard the others.

I would also have liked to add Schalk Brits to the mix, but it does not look if De Villiers is that interested at this stage. Same with Brian Mujati, who is playing out of his skin for Northampton.

Both of course, have been capped by De Villiers, so one could presume that he would look at them again.
Same with Luke Watson, who is returning to South Africa in the next couple of months. De Villiers has picked him before and now that he is back in the country, could do so again...

Question is, will Watson make himself available?

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  • StaalBurgher - 2011-03-31 12:51

    No... why should he be congratulated for a common sense decision? And that 2009 win in NZ was before it was so palpably clear Ricky was out of form. There was no big issue then, it only became an issue later that year and in 2010.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-03-31 13:44

      I wish he had the common sense to remove Spies & Olivier as well.....when were these chaps last in any sort of "can't do without them' form? Have they EVER been in that type of form? At least Ricky has a "moment" in Bok history. What have Spies & Meisiekind ever done? Please advise...(and don't start with this "Spies is a supreme athlete in front of an open tryline hogwash) I too would be classified as a supreme athlete in those conditions....

      Supersmurf - 2011-03-31 14:15

      The question is"what have you done to make all of us believe in you?at least Spies and Olivier made it to the top,more than you can say

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-03-31 14:31

      @Supersmurf - What have I done....I tipped Doppies le Grange for Lions captain 2 weeks ago - and VOILA it is so. Magic.

      Supersmurf - 2011-03-31 14:44

      And it still means nothing especially if you want to compare your wimpy little prediction to the achievement of Springbok players,wouldnt you agree that Shallow could be a new name for you?

      Captain Jack - 2011-03-31 14:45

      Ai hoe lekker BLOU is die wereld as jy BLOU oogklappe dra?

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-03-31 14:49

      @Alwyn - I am not dissing the achievements of Springbok players...I am dissing the NON-achievements of Meisiekind and Spies.

      GraemeBB - 2011-03-31 18:09

      When Habana plays poorly, then class is the issue, and not form. Habana scores a lucky try, then he is hailed, and belief in his abilities is confirmed. But Spies and Olivier is taken out all the way. I am pleased that they are included, and that gives them the inside track to the WC. I watched the Bulls game over and over to try understand what the BIG HOOHA is all about. Olivier and Spies had a much better game, but not according to the guys here. Watching the Sharks's game, the mid-field was penetrated at will - not one person was even mentioned - except SBW. And not how extremely talented he was, but that he was a dirty player, that got away with murder - like Bakkies. Then some time was spent on Bakkies again. Can any one see the trend here? Bulls need to turn this season around, and show some character.

      Marius Swart - 2011-04-01 09:53

      @Saffa -Cat.Ek verstaan as Stormer voel jy hulle vorm is af en glo my al die blou bul ondersteuners hier weet dit.Maar om hulle sommer net uit te los sal mal wees.Ek sien ook nie dat jy iets noem oor Habanna se geploeter nie.Moet hy ook totaal en al uitgelos word omdat hy nou met vorm sukkel en die WB is nog 5 maande weg.Jy sal maar moet aanvaar daar gaan Blou bulle in die WB groep wees of hulle nou by jou idees in pas of nie.

      Bielie - 2011-04-01 22:44

      Ou "Super"smurfie, "The question is"what have you done to make all of us believe in you?at least Spies and Olivier made it to the top,more than you can say" Aangesien jy die vraag gevra het, hier's myne: Wat het JY gedoen sodat ons in jou moet glo? Asb, antwoord my. It seems as if you haven't quite grasped the purpose of the comments section. No big surprise.

  • Leon Janse van Rensburg - 2011-03-31 12:58

    I predict we'll have a better team after the world cup.. Possible future team: 1.Beast 2. Bismarck 3. Jannie 4.Flippie 5. Andries 6 Brussow 7. Alberts 8. Vermeulen 9 Hougaard 10 Grant 11 Mvovo/Basson 12 Steyn 13 de Jongh 14 Aplon 15 Lambie The only problem is that the backline is rather small but as we've seen size does not always matter...

      baggins B - 2011-03-31 13:32

      Kanko at 8th Man?

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-03-31 13:48

      Kanko - awesome impact player, great when the game is open and he has space. He has struggled to make the Bok step-up the times he has been given the opportunities. He almost goes "missing". Don't think he is an 80 minute intermational 8th man, but could be a deadly final 25 minutes sub.

      Mojojo - 2011-03-31 13:48

      Thats a pretty good team. We over value experience in this country. In every major competition Aus and NZ use new, inexperienced and talented players, that some times show our "experienced" guys a thing or 2. The above team has enough experience, great talent, and even more potential to do great things than the crop we all know P Divvy will take to the WC.

      boyd.lance - 2011-03-31 14:05

      1.Beast 2. Bismarck 3. Jannie 4.Flippie/Elstadt 5. Andries 6. Brussow/Flouw 7. Alberts 8. Vermeulen 9. Hougaard 10. Grant/Lambie 11. Mvovo/Basson 12. de Jongh 13. Steyn 14. Aplon 15. Ludik I've added a few names as alternatives and swopped de Jongh and Steyn in the centre. De Jongh is more of an inside centre as he's got the stepping to break the line and is strong in defence, and then I'd back Steyn to find the gap on the outside like Fourie does so well now. Also, I'd play Lambie as the 2nd specialist flyhalk and bring Louis Ludik in the team in the fullback position. That guy has been playing outstandingly well and is brilliant under the high ball. Thoughts??

      Travis - 2011-03-31 17:50

      @boyd.lance...not bad, but not Hougaard at scrummie. He is not good enough at that position. And I am not convinced about Jannie du Plessis. I don't know much about props, but I do have a few question marks. I would like to see Steyn at 12 and de Jongh at 13. Just a thought...

      molefeP - 2011-03-31 19:58

      Your front row is weak. Guthro is by far the best scrumager in SA at the moment. Also, I dont think Frans Steyn is good enough.

      Rudi - 2011-04-01 01:41

      @Boyd-so who is the captain?

      Redwine - 2011-04-01 06:17

      Ask Sandra Janse van Rensburg she always maintained that size do matter! Jannie is over rated as 3 cannot scrum. Grant cannot get backline moving against good opposition. I will switch him with Lambie even if only whilst on attack.

      Bielie - 2011-04-01 23:21

      Interesting team. From all the names posted here, I see Bekker as the only possible captain. Steyn and De Jongh should definitely be 12 and 13, not 13 and 12. If you think about it, Steyn can play 10 or 12 and De Jongh can play 12 or 13. Steyn is a better kicker than Juan and he has more of a physical presence, all traits of a 12. Juan is a great stepper, has wonderful feet, is a fearless defender and is very nippy and quick - an ideal 13. Looking at back-ups, I would suggest: 1. Gurthro, Oosthuizen 2. Strauss, Liebenberg, Fourie 3. Harris, Kruger, Nel 4. Kruger, Elstadt (this boy is a Bok in the making, gonna be huge.) 5. Hargreaves? We're missing a solid back-up to Bekker here. But the again, players like Matfield and Bekker come along once in a generation. We just have to be patient. 6, 7, 8. Basically you can put names in a hat and draw three. No other country has the depth of loose forward talent that we have. Just think: - Strauss, Whitely, Minnie, Botes, Deysel, Potgieter, F Louw, Koster, P Louw, etc., etc. The list goes on and on. 9. Another position where we have an embarrassment of riches. McLeod, Hoffman, Duvenage, Vermaak, Kockett. 10. Jantjies, Sias Ebersohn, the Cheetahs u.21 flyhalf, Lionel Cronje, Gary van Aswegen, Elgar Watts. We're probably a bit light at 12 and 13. Robert Ebersohn is the one name that comes to mind. Doppies is also a contender and perhaps Andries Strauss. Other than that, we'll have to look at the juniors. No more spac

  • Stryder - 2011-03-31 13:02

    Ok, so Luke Watson gets a mention in the very last sentence of the entire article. What a pathetic headline. As far as I am concerned I would rather see the under thirteen C goal keeper from a school that does not play rugby in the squad than Puke watson

      Oukoos - 2011-03-31 14:07

      Gaan die Bulls ondersteuners steeds so hatig op Luke wees wanneer ("wanneer" en nie "as" nie) hy volgende jaar vir die Bulls in die S15 speel?

      Supersmurf - 2011-03-31 14:45

      Luke sal altyd n kotser bly,en sal so gesien word op Loftus

      Stryder - 2011-03-31 15:24

      At Oukoos - SHARKS FOREVER!!!! He wasn't all that popular back when he played for us. That's why he left.

      Rudi - 2011-04-01 01:37

      Die dag as Luke vir die Bulls speel begin ek vir die Stormers skree.

      Twoplusthree - 2011-04-01 07:13

      As Luke vir die Bulls speel, kak ek in my broek en dra dit op my kop.

      Bielie - 2011-04-01 23:28

      Stryder, you're a moron. A complete and utter idiot. If your rugby knowledge was dynamite, you would not be able to blow your nose. Rudi, moet asb nooit vir die Stormers cheer nie. Ons het sekere minimum standaarde vir ons ondersteuners en jy maak dit nie. Twoplusthree: Whatever floats your boat. Luke is een van die intelligentste rugbyspelers wat in die afgelope paar jaar in SA gespeel het, maar eenogige idiote kan dit natuurlik nie raak sien nie. Jy weet dat die NP al lankal nie meer bestaan nie, ne? Persoonlik hoop ek natuurlik dat Luke nooit vir die Bulls sal speel nie, want ek wil hom in 'n WP en Stormers trui sien, met die S15- en Currie-beker. Maar jy sal dit seker nie kan verstaan nie.

  • Dan the Man - 2011-03-31 13:06

    JJ needs to think about this a bit. These contracts were handed out as much to prevent guys going overseas in the next year as anything else. Players like Aplon, Kirchner, alberts, etc have longer term contracts with their provinces, so they would be unlikely to leave soon anyway. And I dont think we need watson - why would we when we have (by team) burger, louw, vermuelen, alberts, deysel, daniel, kankowski, smith, broussow, spies and even danie roussow. Thats 11 guys already

      boyd.lance - 2011-03-31 14:12

      Yes, but how many are 8th men? Vermeulen, Spies, Kanko and Deysel...perhaps Roussouw. I'd say there's room in there for an extra option. No-one in the aforementioned list has the skills set that Puke has. He's an extra fetcher, can get over the gain line, can off-load in the tackle and his decision-making is excellent. I say let him fight for a place...he never got a chance under Jake White, so maybe it could be his time now?

      Andrew - 2011-03-31 23:46

      Apart from not being worthy to wear the Bok jersey, Watson is too small, Brussow is already in the team, and 1000% better than Watson, we need a taller loosie for the back of the line out and a lot more power, Watson was never good enough and will never be, but then when Pappa Watson gets involved who knows?

      Hannes van der Linde - 2011-04-01 09:34

      add Jan Deysel, Josh Strauss, Francois Louw and Pieter Louw to that. We are really spoilt for choice. All of these guys are class

      Bielie - 2011-04-01 23:31

      Andrew, our constitution gives us the right of freedom of speech. (That means that you may express an opinion.) In my opinion, you are too dumb to have an opinion and should, therefore, not be allowed to express one. It is not your position to decide who is worthy to wear a Bok jersey, you clunt.

      Andrew - 2011-04-04 03:40

      "Ou Bielie" seems to me you "like" Luke, makes you wonder doesn't it? It is my opinion, I am sick and tired of individuals like you with a far below average IQ who cannot contribute to a forum in any constructive way but to call other people dumb and clunts(???), if I am too dumb to have an opinion, (that’s your opinion), then you should not be allowed near a computer, but you are most probably some little “pencil dick” that hides behind his keyboard and too afraid to say it to a person face to face, well your name "Bielie" just confirms it.

      Bielie - 2011-04-05 21:12

      "Endrew", What a coincidence, I am also sick and tired of half-witted morons (like yourself) who feel they have carte blanche to anonymously insult people who have achieved something in life. I assume you base your comment about my "far below average IQ" on the facts that (a) I disagree with you and (b) I insulted you. Or are there other reasons? E.g., was my post incoherent, ungrammatical, crawling with spelling errors, etc., etc? Just to reiterate: I think that you are a dumb clunt. If you don't know what a clunt is, remember that google is your friend. The reasons why I initially thought that you are a dumb clunt are because you say that (1) Watson is unworthy of a Bok jersey, (b) he never was good enough (in spite of the fact that he is a former SA S14 player of the year), (3) he'll never be good enough (gosh, you can see the future, you little miracle, you!) and (4) his daddy might be able to swing it for him. That's pathetic enough, and your latest semi-coherent ramblings and ham-fisted insinuations have merely served to deepen my convictions. I now not only think that you are a dumb clunt but I also think that you should not be allowed out of the institution, not even under strict supervision. Hey, thanks for the chat. It's been real, it's been nice, but it hasn't been real nice. Let's not do it again real soon. Your friend Bielie

      Springbook - 2011-04-05 21:27

      Ag nee Bielie, moenie so met die swaksinniges mors nie. Dis net lelik!

      Andrew - 2011-04-06 03:27

      Hi Bielie My assumptions for your low ID, it has now been confirmed, was the fact that you wait until someone post something and make some “common” remarks, calling them names, very immature. If you don’t agree, just say so, no need to show your true character, and yes you couldn’t manage to spell my name. In response to your reasons for me being dumb, 1. A number of players in SA Rugby, including some players in the Springbok squad, that is the World Cup winning squad, felt that he was not worthy, I don’t know about you, but I think highly of the player’s opinion, all people who have achieved something in life. 2. About him not being good enough, please read the following quote about your beloved Luke: “His performance at test level was questioned by critics throughout the year, leading to media comments such as “decidedly ordinary”, and “appeared uninterested” and ”anonymous”. Eventually Coach De Villiers relegated Watson to a substitute role, and reverted instead to the flankers whom Jake White had been criticised for preferring to Watson, namely Schalk Burger and Juan Smith. Even as a substitute Watson made no impact, and a number of journalists have criticized him for not living up to expectations on the field”. 3. He wasn’t good enough then, why should he be now, we have even better loose forwards at the moment, and Schalk and Juan are still playing as well? 4. His daddy did try to swing it for him, he got a lawyer to try and force his inclusion the Springbok squad. So Bielie in the true nature of your character, go F@ck yourself.

      Bielie - 2011-04-06 07:28

      "Endrew", Here are a couple of tips: 1. When you want to call someone dumb/low IQ/whatever, make sure that your spelling and grammar are correct. Otherwise you're the one that comes across as dumb. 2. Don't post when you're angry. It shows and it doesn't improve the quality of your arguments. Not that you had much to start with, but still ... 3. If you accuse someone of name-calling, you shouldn't resort to it yourself. That's just the pot calling the kettle black and, again, it creates the impression that you're not the shiniest crystal in the chandelier. But, of course, in your case that is an accurate representation of the facts, so I'll let it slide. 4. Your reasons (1-3) are spurious. The opinion of Watson's ability are by no means universal or unanimous. And I still take exception to people (and you, naturally) insulting and abusing people on such flimsy premises. Accordingly, I respond in kind - kind of like holding up a mirror, you know? No, I suppose you don't know. Sad ... 5. Your closing remark. My, my, my. You've really scraped the bottom of the barrel here, haven't you? Not only is your remark misinformed and wide of the mark, it is also crude and devoid of any creativity whatsoever. It is something one would expect from an angry teenager. Is that what you are? Somewhere there's a village that has an opening for you. Cheers Bielie PS: "Endrew" isn't a misspelling. It's deliberate. I like its neanderthal-like picture. It fits you.

      Andrew - 2011-04-07 02:04

      Wow, calling a person a moron and clunt is really creative; did you get it on Google? I bet it took you a whole day to come up with that. Al I can say is shame, my facts are not spurious, but quoted from the news, and if that is all you can reply with, thank you, by the way it is Neanderthals like you that think Luke Watson is good enough for the Springboks. Now don’t you have anybody else you can go and try you silly little “one liners” on, I have moved on to more important things. So run along little boy.

      Bielie - 2011-04-07 13:06

      Dear "Endrew", there's not a single original line in one your feeble post. In fact, it seems as if you've simply taken my post and shuffled some words around... Well, given your (lack of) intellect, I suppose we should be glad that you're able to use a computer at all. Expecting coherence is probably a step too far. Anyhoo, "Endrew" old shoe, seeing that you've "moved on to more important things", I wish you all the best for the future. Perhaps, some years down the line when you've graduated from the special school, we will cross paths again and have a good laugh at your funny impersonation of a person. Btw, if you've "moved on to more important things", what were you doing here in the first place? I'll bet you weren't looking for the royal ass-kicking that you got, eh? Hey, don't take it too hard. Chalk it up to experience and you'll be the better, ummm, man* for it. Your friend Bielie *I'm using the word in it's widest possible sense, of course. Maybe even a little wider than that.

      Andrew - 2011-04-08 01:41

      Royal ass-kicking? You must have had a wet dream last night. I am glad for you if you think calling people names constitute an ass-kicking, but whatever works for you, bottom line; you have not proven that Luke Watson is worthy or good enough for the Green and Gold? Don’t worry I’ll wait for you after I graduated; I know it will take you a bit longer to get through Special School.

      Bielie - 2011-04-08 13:47

      Dude, I am seriously disappointed. Didn't you say that you had "moved on to more important things"? I guess you're just not a boy of your word. That's just sad... And, jislaaik man, stop plagiarising my posts. I know you're not dealing from a full deck but you should really rather copy from somebody else's post and try to pass that off as your own. Your current mix of clichés and plagiarism just makes you look like a brainless little tag-a-long, unable to stand on your own four feet - much like a hanslammetjie. Nou ja, ou seun, I'm off. Please take a little time and effort with your response otherwise I'll stop participating and you'll have to go back to playing with yourself again. Still your friend, Bielie

  • JR - 2011-03-31 13:16

    wat de hel. Rook jy iets?

  • GHT - 2011-03-31 13:43

    Stupid heading to get some extra "clicks" on your generally very biased articles.

  • thumper - 2011-03-31 14:09

    "Will he make himself available" WTF???? As if we care if he still has dreams of playing for the Boks and now we are led to believe the choice is his to make??? Dream on, not even PDV is that stupid. PS! Well done to him for finally getting rid of fatty Januarie but Olivier must be paying him "in kind" to still have a contract!.

      gooinat - 2011-03-31 14:22

      Jacobs as well!!!

      thumper - 2011-03-31 14:26

      Oh yes, clean forgot about that has-never-been

  • Supersmurf - 2011-03-31 14:17

    Ek wil kots as ek Luke se naam hoor

      Bielie - 2011-04-01 23:32

      Foei tog. Jou arme sot.

  • CharlSkeptic - 2011-03-31 14:25

    Bloody agents, all of them

  • Steven - 2011-03-31 15:12

    Adrian Jacobs.....please,can't even make the Sharks team,quota selection....can't win the World Cup if you don't take the best team......

  • Kaapie - 2011-03-31 15:17

    Frans Steyn has been a dismal failure at 10.. Maybe at 13 or 15 but nowhere else. Cant even think why WO, Spies got a and Danie got contracts and if I think quickly Smit as well

      Stryder - 2011-03-31 15:27

      Steyn is a fullback or a centre. I reckon he is most valuable at fullback as he will return any kick with interest

      gooinat - 2011-03-31 15:30

      I would put Frans Steyn at 15,agree with your comments about WO and co getting contracts,Alberts,Lambie,Grant deserve it more and a few others.

      GraemeBB - 2011-03-31 18:13

      Kaapie - Frans was poor at 13 on the EOYT. 13 is covered. 15 is his only position.

  • la Rey - 2011-03-31 15:50

    Wynand Olivier is an average centre that had an above average S14 last year. Thats it he has some 20 test behind his name and have never stood out. He is way over rated. He is more interested in hair extentions than rugby sorry. Wait for April 9 th and you will see have SB Williams will demolish Olivier and Steyn. Spies also maybe overated but he has done it at top level and is seriously out of form. Sorry boet just because a guy wears light blue once a week he will be the best in YOUR books, but he is not. At best he was an good defender.

      molefeP - 2011-03-31 19:59


  • ChrissieM - 2011-03-31 15:53

    No, there's no space for him. Just now he gets naar again and pukes on his Springbok jersey.

  • scipio - 2011-03-31 16:21

    More PewPew Less QQ

  • Koot - 2011-03-31 18:36

    O nee donnerdag nie "wat so kots nie"... ek speel eerder iemand anders ..dit gaan oor beginsels

      Bielie - 2011-04-02 00:51

      Watter beginsels presies? Weet jy ooit wat presies hy gese het en in watter konteks? Of ry jy ook maar net saam?

  • baika - 2011-03-31 18:46

    I get the idea that Harmse have to be careful what he writes Silky skills of Jacobs.?

  • molefeP - 2011-03-31 19:53

    If ever there was a "vrot kol" in South African rugby. Then it must be Luke Watson! He absolutely poisoned the Stormers.

      Howzitekse - 2011-04-01 09:20

      No, it's between your ears.

  • Mickey Fin - 2011-03-31 22:46

    Firstly I must say as usual this is a crap article. But let us look to the Bok team for the World Cup. We all know that Smit will be captain so we are down to 14 men to start with. The Du Plessis brothers are good for a couple of penalties with Bakkies adding his usual contribution in the penalty/yellow card stakes. We then have Matfield who could still be an asset if he stopped irritating the ref and gets on with his game. He has enough competition in arguing with the ref from Fourie, who will true to form continue with his best impression of a wind mill at the back of the scrum with the arm waving thing! Pierre Spies will miss most of the game as he walks around looking at the Big Screen to see if his muscles are being shown off . We then get to Morne who will kick any and all possession we might get away. Just as well, because Wynand would only have run straight into his opponent to hand over possession that way. So the other centre is of now consequence. Also just as well because we can not afford to let the ball get to Habana on the wing, because he will stuff it up some how. Our fullback Mr Steyn has such an ego of late that he will be falling over it at the back. So there we have our team. Still looking forward to the World Cup?

      Richard - 2011-04-01 07:52

      Basically hit the nail on the head here. Can't argue much with that.

      Chadwick - 2011-04-01 11:38

      Lol. No objections there. S.A rugby isn't looking good right now. We have such great players but krap selectors. Not all the great stars of the past can still perform like they used to. Throwing on old fragile and worn out players from 2007 isn't gona work. PdV should've started with youngsters in 2009 already. He waited till the November 2010 year to start capping Lambie and Mvovu and those guys. Now all we have left is a short Tri-Nations series and no proper young experienced Boks.

  • Howzitekse - 2011-04-01 09:17

    There are many players in this squad who have shown much worse form than Ricky January. They are passengers and fail to deliver even at super 15 level. There is something sick about the way some players are allowed to sail through with scant criticism from the rightwing press, while others are constantly subjected to negative comments. Against Wales Ricky was named Man of The Match, but these "skewe" pressmen made no mention of him, and instead focussed on Victor Matfield, who had a fair game, but hardly worth mentioning. Man up and be honest. Give credit where it is due. Very few of the contracted players would make it into the Crusaders side. Even Scotland must be hoping to come up against the "AmaKrokke" in the world cup. I do not for a moment believe that Snorre is solely to blame for the rot, as there is probably a lot going on that we are not told. Maybe Luke Watson had a point.

  • Dave B - 2011-04-01 09:42

    And my granny should also be in the squad. With what we have add Willem Alberts why look at a disrupting in fluence for the side

  • supporter - 2011-04-01 11:17

    luke watson will remain a kotskop forever.

      Bielie - 2011-04-01 23:35

      en jy bly 'n dr0l vir ewig - much of a muchness.

      Rafeal - 2011-04-04 14:08

      Bielie jy is n poephol! elke keer as iemand iets oor Luke se, dan kom jy met n one-liner. Komaan man jy weet net so goed soos almal van ons dat Luke n doos is, maar dit is miskien hoekom jy hom defend - n peophol en n doos....

      Andrew - 2011-04-04 23:50

      Hoor hoor!!! Bielie has been appointed as Luke's defender, so everybody watch out, don't say anything wrong about the "kotskop", you will be ridiculed with some stupid one liner, probably because his IQ is too low to write anything sensible so he has to revert to calling people names like a child.

  • Koos - 2011-04-01 11:51

    Die moet sekerlik 'n "April fools day" grap wees. Selfs JJ kan nie ernstig wees oor luke nie.

  • vinchainsaw - 2011-04-01 11:58

    Not a big fan of Januarie myself, but at least I can remember an occasion when he won a game for the Boks. The same cannot be said of either Spies or Olivier, gold medals or not.

  • Frans - 2011-04-01 12:52

    JJ - I have to agree with you - Wynand Olivier has been consistent - consistently bad. He can't pass or tackle and half the time he goes in on the crash ball he either concedes a turnover or a penalty... I cannot see how he can still make the Bulls line-up, and that he is contracted to the Springboks is a joke.

  • Dutch - 2011-04-01 13:41

    I am a Sharks fan and I feel our best 15 to take the RWC is: 1. Beast 2. Bismarck 3. Guthro 4. Andries 5. Victor 6. Brussow 7. Alberts 8. "Puke" 9. Hougaard 10. Lambie 11. Mvovo 12. de Villiers 13. de Jongh 14. v.d Heever 15. Steyn Then again this is just my humble opinion and I honestly feel that we need to support whatever team runs out on the day wearing the "Green & Gold" regardless of their provincial affiliation. A nation united behind a team gives them the added boost they deserve. GO BOKKE!!!!

      Raka13 - 2011-04-01 14:07

      Now this is a good team, don't think v.d Heever is up to the challenge, I will maybe pick Jacque Fourie at 14 or Francois Hougaard. Fourie du Preez is still damn good. WIll put Schalk at 7 and Alberts at 8. De Villiers for captain

      Bielie - 2011-04-02 00:56

      You have two looseheads and no tighthead in your squad, mate. At international level you don't play a loosehead at tighthead. Du Plessis, Van der Linde, Harris and/or BJ Botha must be brought into the mix.

  • bloubulsd - 2011-04-01 19:09

    This is an April fools joke?

  • Bielie - 2011-04-01 22:39

    I'm not quite sure what to make of your article JJ. In terms of insight and analysis, this feels like a "contractual obligation" piece. Do you have to write a certain number of words per day/week/month? Regarding Wynand Olivier: Very few people dispute his value at Super Rugby level and the vast majority are in agreement that he has been unable to make the step up to international level. He's played 32 tests and scored 1 (ONE!) try, and that was against Italy. He started 20 of those 32 tests and his win/loss record is 16/16 and this is in a period of time when the Boks were (mostly) comfortably in the top 2 in the world. Olivier has had ample opportunity to show his ability on the international stage and it has been an underwhelming display, to put it politely. Why on earth would you want to see him in the Bok squad? Olivier's current form indicates that - even at Super Rugby level - he has reached his sell by date. He may or may not make a comeback of sorts during this S15 season, but so what? He simply has not been able to translate his Super Rugby form to performance at international level. If a contract must be awarded, look to the young(ish) players like Lambie, Grant, Strauss, Ebersohn, Killian, Taute, Ludik, Daniller, etc., etc. We have a plethora of young players coming through. As far as Wynand Olivier is concerned, the fat lady has sung and the curtain is coming down.

  • Raymond - 2011-04-02 21:37

    What about Earl Rose ? Surely one cannot leave this player out of the RWC team.

  • nadia s - 2011-04-04 11:02

    Luke Watson - are you crazy??? where the hell did that come from? It will be a sad day if that ever happened. He will never be allowed to wear the springbok jersey again. I dont care how well he plays we will never forget what he did and what he said. He does not deserve that jersey ever. and you are an idiot to ever mention his name in the same sentance as you mention the Springboks. He is a pig and he does not deserve any mention at all. No team wanted him back. The only way he got back into SA rugby was because his father owns or whatever the team he plays for now. NEVER NEVER NEVER

      Bielie - 2011-04-05 21:20

      Oh my, you really do have some issues. Seeing that you're such an expert: What exactly did he do and say to deserve your vitriol? Do you even know? I suspect that you're just running with the pack and that you make up your mind as you are told to.

  • Rafeal - 2011-04-04 15:26

    I think this would be Bielie's WC Team; 1. John Smit (Vice Captain) 2. Chlliboy 3. Lawrence Sephaka 4. Albert van den Berg 5. Geo Cronje (unretire him) 6. Luke Watson (Captain) 7. Willem Alberts - (just because you can't leave him out of any WC team) 8. Ryan 9. Ricky January 10. Elton Jantjies 11. Bryan Habana 12. AD Jacobs 13. Brand Pretorius son (he can even pay for his own plane tickets) 14. Tonderai Chavanga 15. Conrad Jantjies What a team!!!!!!

      Rafeal - 2011-04-04 15:31

      Reserves: Earl Rose & Wayne Julies

      Bielie - 2011-04-05 20:58

      Gosh Rafeal, to borrow a phrase from George W Bush: I misunderestimated you. I'm not sure why you felt compelled to pick a team on my behalf. Do you hate Luke that much or are you just looking for a little attention? Perhaps you should seek psychiatric aid. Are you too dumb to spell Kankowski? Anyhoo, my RWC team would look more like this: 15 F Steyn 14 G Aplon 13 J Fourie 12 J de Villiers 11 B Basson 10 P Grant 9 F du Preez 8 S Burger 7 H Brussouw 6 J Smith (W Alberts if Juan is still injured) 5 A Bekker 4 B Botha 3 J du Plessis 2 B du Plessis 1 T Mtawarira 16 T Liebenberg 17 G Steenkamp 18 CJ vd Linde 19 V Matfield 20 W Alberts / F Louw 21 R Pienaar 22 J de Jongh

      Bielie - 2011-04-05 21:21

      Oh wait, now I get it: You were trying to be funny! Haha. Don't quit your day job. If you have one.

  • JOHNNYBRAVO - 2011-04-04 17:02

    luke "the puke" watson???????????????

  • rsaboet - 2011-04-05 13:22

    Luke Watson????is this some kind of joke!!!

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