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Grow up Stormers fans!

2012-02-02 10:54

JJ Harmse

South African rugby fans, especially those who support the one team from the big five that have not won any big trophies in the last decade, will have to grow up very fast.

It was clear from comments made by those fans on blogs and forums like this (complimented by their local scribes down behind the wine curtain), after the welcome appointment of Heyneke Meyer as Springbok coach, that the style of play and not the result is still more important to them.

Grow up people. Professional sport is about one thing and one thing only - winning!

In tournament golf, you can hit the most spectacular drives and chip shots, but if they don’t add up after two rounds, you don’t play on the weekend.

In professional sport it is the result that matters most. Which is why, in rugby, Meyer was such a popular choice to replace Peter de Villiers.

The new Bok chief learned something very important in his early years as a professional coach. It is not how you play that matters, it is the result that will determine your fate.

He adapted with spectacular results.

He looked at the laws of the game at the time, adapted a game plan that suited his players and complimented the laws and what happened?

Five consecutive Currie Cup finals (won three, drew one and lost one) and to prove the durability of his game plan, three consecutive semi-finals in Super Rugby, with the last one resulting in that final that made the Bulls the first South African side to win a Super Rugby title.

The basis of that game plan was to play only in the opponents half. Meyer had in Derick Hougaard and Morné Steyn two flyhalves who could (and did) kick the ball 60 metres.
 
This allowed the Bulls to stay in their opponents' half, most of the time 30, 40 metres from the opposing tryline, with their opponents often having a lineout throw following a Bulls kick.

The opponents had to throw the ball into a lineout contested by Bakkies Botha, Victor Matfield, Danie Rossouw and/or Pedrie Wannenburg.
 
The pressure never ceased and from resulting penalties or turnovers, Hougaard or Steyn would convert the pressure into points.

Simple, effective. Not pretty, but winning rugby.

When the laws changed at the end of 2007, with no passing back into your 22 metre area, Meyer and his Bulls adapted their kicking patterns and again became the top team in the Southern Hemisphere in 2009 and 2010.

In both years they started to kick up-and-unders, forcing opponents, thanks to brilliant chasing lines and pressure, to commit errors and concede penalties. Again, Steyn was there to punish.

They also ran when the numbers justified it and scored more tries than any other team.

So what was the first thing Meyer had to do when introduced to media in Cape Town upon his appointment?

Defend his success with the Bulls, and was expected to promise that the Boks will not play like the Bulls!

What bull was that?

The sole reason Meyer was appointed in the first place was because his team played a winning style for a long time. Predicable at times, yes, but executed so well that they won three Super Rugby titles in five years.

Why on earth now expect Meyer to play or approach the game differently?

He has proven that he is willing and able to adapt the way his team plays. He has proven that winning breeds a culture of excellence like nothing else.

Everyone has his or her own opinion and thanks for reading mine, but to expect Meyer to change his ways to a playing style that failed to win anything for 10 years, is arrogant.

Not to talk about short-sighted, but then, how are you expected to have vision when you have your head in the sand like an ostrich?

Talking about vision, well done to the Varsity Cup organisers. This year we will see another extension of the competition, following the introduction of the Varsity Shield in 2011.

The Young Guns, who will contest their own Under-20 tournament within the Cup, will bring another dimension to the game.

It will also introduce another batch of South African youngsters to the rugby public.

Also, can you imagine the delight of national Under-20 coach Dawie Theron, who will have an early look-in at the talent available at that level of competitive play.

Rugby will again be the winner and again this is a product of the Varsity Cup brains trust.

Well done guys!
 
Read JJ every Sunday in Rapport.

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Comments
  • Jaco - 2012-02-02 11:08

    JJ... i'm a stormer fan... but I agree with you... don't care where the boks come from ... even if all of them are Southern Kings... As long as we win the All Blacks on a regular basis and win the World Cup I am happy. So, you've got a point. The best man got the job and should have had it 4 years ago. I think the circus will stop and we will be a force to be reckoned with again. Just one last point... what if Heyneke doesn't pick the Bulls that all of you behind the "boerewors curtain" have in mind? Then the moaning and groaning will start again. The problem is that all of us are still thinking like supporters of the 80's... all about provinces and provincialism.

      Lanfear - 2012-02-02 11:45

      Provincialism is harming our international rugby. Just look at what club-craziness in soccer did to England's national team and their results...

      Sulaiman - 2012-02-02 13:35

      @JJ Harmse Please Grow up. Your articles are crap.

      Dewald - 2012-02-02 14:07

      I dont think Meyer will only pick Bulls. He has a reel good eye for talent! Most of the Bulls players does not come from PTA.

  • jandreleroux - 2012-02-02 11:20

    Goodness gracious me! I am a Bull but this guy's bias is surel \y not far behind that of mister malemal! It is a pain to rea this super biaesed nonsense from Harmse Houwing and especially on Keo.

      hvanderlinde - 2012-02-02 12:43

      John, he is bias and it's his column.

  • Ruan Pretorius - 2012-02-02 11:23

    Lekker JJ! So bek moet jem kry! Ek sien die ondersteuners van die span van die Kaap van Geen Hoop het my vroeer in die week probeer afskiet oor ek dit durf waag om te se dat hulle spannetjie alweer alles in Januarie probeer wen. Maar dit daar gelaat. Kom ons hoop die Bokke, Bulls en Blou Bulle wen onverpoosd hierdie jaar. (Onverpoosd beteken sonder einde, voor iemand my weer aanvat oor dit - Eintlik moet ek se dat die Bokke, Bulls en Blou Bulle sonder ophou moet wen!)

      Ruan Pretorius - 2012-02-02 11:31

      Die ondersteuners van die spanne daar in die Kaap van Geen Hoop wend hulle tot sulke taktiek omdat daar 'n beter kans is om vir 'n girl om 'n straight ou te ontmoet in Slaapstad as wat daar is vir hulle spanne om weer 'n trofee te wen. Ooit!

      Gustav - 2012-02-02 12:38

      Ruan ek dink die Stormers gaan weer soos laasjaar die conference beker vat. Geen Suid Afrikaanse span is in dieselfde liga nie. Moenie verbaas wees as die Bulle laaste in die conference eindig nie. Die beker staan in die kaap en gaan daar bly :)

      Bulldozer - 2012-02-02 12:52

      Ja Gustav, die Conference cup is die ultimate prys in Suid Afrikaanse rugby.

      Jason - 2012-02-02 14:50

      Dont understand a word you are saying.

      Steenbra - 2012-02-02 15:20

      Actually you okes(Bulls supporters) are the ones who maintain the the Stormers win the CC and S15 in Jan. Like I said to Dozey we, in WC, looove our sport and if you interpret it any other way your problem. The best supported team in SA in ......... The Stormers.. and the Bulls you're just jealous that you okes are not as vociferous as Stormers/Cobras supporters.. and we have the best wines and the mountain and the sea... eat your hearts out!

      Steenbra - 2012-02-02 15:21

      As for djy, djy... is jaloers.. period

      Bulldozer - 2012-02-02 16:42

      Steenbra, ek het vir 10 jaar in die Kaap gebly, tot 6 maande terug. Lieflike plek. Stunning berg en wat kan ek sê van Clifton? Eendag sal ek weer daar wil bly, maar op die oomblik is ek nie jaloers nie. Jason, jy verstaan nie eers wat jy self sê nie, idioot.

      Chris - 2012-02-02 17:20

      @Bulldosie: Is ons almal nie bly jy het gevoetsek nie!!! Bly net waar jy is klontkop!

      Bulldozer - 2012-02-02 18:09

      Duidelik nie, plank.

      Nick - 2012-02-03 11:44

      swaaap hul junior spanne wen gereeld elke trofee in land en is ook huidige varsity beker kampioen politiek is groot probleem by die berg dis hoekom rassie weg is jj nes elke bulls ondersteuner vergeet vinnig van jare se agterspeen in super rugby en dat die kern jare saam gespeel het hul is weg bulle sukkel meyer is kapenaar en sal hopelik span op meriete kies veral as dit by kaptein en sekere posisies kom waar spelers beskerm word julle ouens in die baby blues weet van wie ek praat en hoe hul wen gaan my nie pla op die stadium onthou net as snor gewen het was daar bitter min veral ou jj wat gelukkig was met net 'n wen ......

  • greg.mallet1 - 2012-02-02 11:27

    Pretty sweeping statement wrt to all Sotrmers fans. Maybe instead right "Some Stormers fans need to grow up". But I understand that non shock headlines do not a popular blog make. Big fan of Heyneke Meyer and thought he should have had the job 4 years ago (though I was pleasantly surprised by Helium). Still think Heyneke is the right man for the job. And I agree with you that he definitely played to the Bulls strengths incredibly well. But the Springboks are a national team and as such they can call on the services of an amazing array of athletic loosies, quick outside backs and hard running centres (the bulls in all these cases are not as blessed). As such I'm sure he will adapt a game plan that plays total rugby where they play the situation and are not terrified to try run the opposition off their feet. Our sevens team have shown we can mix it with the best wrt exciting rugby but their success is also built on hard graft and uncomprimising team defense. So if Heyneke says he will not neccessaily play Bull's rugby, that is what I would expect from a man of his rugby pedigree who has become the national coach.

      David - 2012-02-02 13:34

      Did HM develop a game plan to suit the players he had, or develop players to suit his intended game plan? Either way, the fact that he was/is able to develop a game plan is a massive improvement on PDivvy. He has a fantastic pool of talent to work with - a decent game plan is the main missing ingredient, imho.

  • nico.strydom1 - 2012-02-02 11:39

    I Just don't know how the heck sport politics can ever relax! The reckons he knows everything and then the other corrects him with attitude? Enough rubbish man, rather say Congratulations to Heyneke Meyer as Springbok coach and I hope majority expects the same as me "Victory". JJ, I don't miss you in Rapport... from a Bull supporter

  • Michele - 2012-02-02 11:42

    Clearly the author knows what he is talking about so he can't be from the Cape.

      Ulrich - 2012-02-02 14:53

      En tog chill jy te lekker by die see.

  • Johan - 2012-02-02 11:45

    @JJ, I am not a Stormer supporter, but I just want to make a correction on your behalf, Transvaal won the 1993 Super 10 with a 20-17 win over Auckland from New Zealand in Johannesburg – thus making the union the first South African team to win a Super Rugby title.

      Meyer Du Plessis - 2012-02-02 11:55

      Wikipedia reckons the tournament only started in 1996...as the super 12 .so the bulls shopuld be the first team

      Craig - 2012-02-02 12:05

      It started in 1993 and fell under the Sanzar banner from 1996. The competition itself started as Super 10.

      Meyer Du Plessis - 2012-02-02 12:55

      Then why is transvaals name not on the superrugby trophy????.....

      Craig - 2012-02-02 13:14

      Because Sanzar only took control after that and only since then has the super competition officially run. Thus Sanzar started new with everything. But the first Super trophy was won by Transvaal. Read under Super 10 on your Wikepedia page

      Steenbra - 2012-02-02 15:24

      Meyer that is semantics, S10, s12, S15 doenst matter. If you look at the English Premier league are the teams different to the one that contested the First Div as it was known previously, apart from the relegated/promoted teams ..Nope.

  • Gavin - 2012-02-02 11:47

    As a huge Stormers fan I am obviously not to pleased with your heading, but cant fault the article ! His game plan has been tried and tested and proven to work and plays to the strengths of South African Rugby. So, next time please do not assume that all Stormers fans think the way you allude to in your article based on the comments of a small minority !

      Jason - 2012-02-02 14:53

      Dont you hate those reasonable ppl.

  • Craig - 2012-02-02 11:49

    Wow, Stormers must grow up but you write a one sided piece of rubbish, which shows that you need to grow up. well done fat boy. I have read most of the stories from the start and most stormers supporters have said they are very happy with the decision. Now because the media also makes remarks, all stormers supporters need to grow. You and the bulls are like the ANC, you keep bringing up the past.

      Craig - 2012-02-02 17:05

      Feel free to show me where i have mentioned anything about the CC. While you busy find me a post here where there is a stormer fan saying anything about Meyer being the wrong person for the job. Whatever any team did a year or 10 years ago means nothing now. Its what they do in the future that counts. Otherwise we can discuss many things like the bulls and lions being the only 2 teams that have done a entire super season without winning a game.

  • rvonzee - 2012-02-02 11:50

    Vi JJ! bra jy kan mos nie jou spot by die koerant gebruik om jou liefde vir die bloubulle te propageer nie! Ja, ek het die disclaimer gelees... Verder nou dat ek anigang is, dai scoring system van jou ini rapport as die bokke speel verstaan ek ook nie. Hoe kry morne steyn en Victor alreeds 8/10 as hulle net ini oggend op die span bus klim. My voorstel is dus eenvoudig J-dog. ek reken die tyd het gekom vir jou om op te staan, die grond van jou kniee af te vryf, jou make up reg te maak en leke objektiewe rugby kommentaar te lewer. Alternatiewelik sal ek met liefde my eie scoring stelsel weekliks in brief vorm aan beeld verstrek en dan vir al wat n stormer is punte gee. Selfs vir Schalk Brits en Peter Grant, of hulle ini groep is of nie. Verder reken ek jys nogal n lekker ou en jy sal verstaan dat as mede rugby liefhebber moedig ek gesonde kompetisie aan. Almal soek net die bokke terug op winning ways, julle valies verkies hom van die skoen af en ons soek hom onder die pale met n Breyten Paulse flick na die tyd mar die punt is, soos Jack Parow se, "swart wit of pienk, ons wil almal punte he." Maar lekker dag verder J-Bone! PROVINCE

  • a.j.bosch - 2012-02-02 11:53

    Irony is BB Harmse telling Stormers fans to grow up. :) Next thing you know he'll be telling them to be objective.

      Craig - 2012-02-02 11:57

      or to loose weight

      Bootman - 2012-02-02 13:03

      ....or to get a tan.

      Jason - 2012-02-02 14:54

      or er or er or something else equally funny.

  • Jason - 2012-02-02 12:03

    So I take it the dude is a bulls supporter. I might also add that its very difficult to grow down.

  • Blou-Daan - 2012-02-02 12:08

    Funny, on Tuesday me & my wife was talking about the immaturity of the most Stormer supporters and two days later this article appeared on Sort24. Thanks JJ

      a.j.bosch - 2012-02-02 12:16

      Next thing you know Stormers supporters will be writing articles on English grammar for Bulls fans.

      Blou-Daan - 2012-02-02 12:29

      @a.j.bosch Dankie AJ, ons almal het maar ons swakplekkie ne, Bulle sukkel met spelling & grammar en Stormers sukkel met grootword en wen ne :-)

      Bulldozer - 2012-02-02 12:33

      Blou, die Stormers wen darem al die spelling-bee cups.

      Blou-Daan - 2012-02-02 12:42

      @Saffa Not at all :-)

      Steenbra - 2012-02-02 15:26

      And the Bulls supporters must now get rhino horns!

      Sulaiman - 2012-02-02 15:52

      @Blou-Daan Gaan melk 'n Bul

      Bulldozer - 2012-02-02 18:06

      Ha ha ha ha Blue, I almost forgot about him. Classic!

  • gawievdm - 2012-02-02 12:11

    Hoe verander 'n Stormer rugby speler 'n gloei lamp? Hy hou hom in die lug en dan draai die wereld om hom.

      Daniel - 2012-02-02 12:21

      Dude. Dis baie flou.

  • DeWet - 2012-02-02 12:13

    hahaha kyk hoe veg die mense onder mekaar en dit oor sport..as die springbokke nooit die wereldbeker wen nie sal dit my nie keer om die volgende dag weer op te staan of in my kar te klim ens..dis sport..dit effekteer jou glad nie fisies of finansieel op so mate dat jy n hospitaal of n bank moet gaan besoek nie

      hannes.handogg - 2012-02-02 13:16

      Behalwe as jy dobbel. :)

  • Bruce - 2012-02-02 12:13

    Meyer is the best man for the job and should have succeeded Jake White - WP & Stormers Fan [since the days of HO de Villiers].

  • gilla23 - 2012-02-02 12:15

    sounds like boldie wants to lose more hair, dont get a b!tch fit. Leave us stormers supporters alone and work on ur cholestoral

      Blou-Daan - 2012-02-02 12:32

      @gilla23 Grow up Stormers fans!

      gilla23 - 2012-02-02 12:39

      "grow up stormers fans!" said one of the smurfs.. You shud stop growing DAAN.

  • eugene.bruintjies - 2012-02-02 12:30

    SAFFA MAKE IT 40,HE WILL DIE BEFORE LOSING 50 KG'S.

  • Francois - 2012-02-02 12:32

    Plausible enough argument - horrible headline. Talk about sweeping statements. If Stormers supporters must grow up must Bulls supporters stop being racist? Generalisations are horrible things - especially coming from a "journalist". Also what's wrong with wanting to see the Boks look good when they win? And finally why does the rugby fraternity dismiss Transvaal winning the inaugural Super competition when it was still the Super 10? Surely the Bulls are the second South African team to win a Super rugby trophy. Seriously I would like a valid explanation for that. Is it because it was not in the professional era or because back then it was still a provincial competition and not a regional one?

  • Glen - 2012-02-02 12:41

    Shame on you JJ to paint ALL Stormers fans with the same brush! I support the Stormers, I also support the Bokke, and truthfully I couldn't care less who the coach is and what style is played, as long as they win! Win by kicking only penalties I am happy, lose having scored 10 tries then not too much happy at all! Besides who decides what is attractive rugby, I love forwards mauling it up, and love the odd pushover try! I love a kick chase too. Whatever is winning rugby is what should be strived for, if the Bulls recipe works for the Bokke then damn right use it! Play to our strengths!

  • hvanderlinde - 2012-02-02 12:44

    Ag JJ, just accept the fact that one of these days you'll be supporting the Bullions. No need to be nasty.

  • Laurie - 2012-02-02 12:45

    Dear Mr. Harmse, I almost never comment on these articles but feel compelled to because of this article. One of the main reasons I dont comment is because the people that generally do comment are prone to say the most ignorant and aggressive things under the anonymity of nicknames and so forth. It is a known fact that the Stormers have a considerable support base and hence more people making comments, it could be argued, as Stormers fans. For you to take these comments seriously and dedicate an entire article to it telling all Stormers fans to grow up is a bit childish in of itself. How about re-writing it and asking "Anonymous weirdos who make uniformed and aggressive comments below articles: please grow up." That might be a bit more constructive than targeting Stormers fans and blasting the team (again) for its lack of silverware. Maybe we could all grow up a bit?

  • Shistirrer - 2012-02-02 12:50

    Wow, JJ, dit was nou super professioneel. (Soek asb. die woord "sarkasme" in die HAT op). Om 'n provinsie se ondersteuners af te kraak omdat hulle dit durf waag om kritiek te lewer op "jou" spannetjie se styl van rugby te lewer - wow. Bloubul-styl stampkar-rugby het miskien gewerk 'n paar jaar gelede (siende dat jy reeds die HAT byderhand het, soek ook asb. "verlede tyd" op), maar presies waar het dit die Bulle die afgelope seisoen gebring? Nie eens een semi-finaal nie. Selfs die Kings het julle verlede jaar geklop. Spelstyle verander, spelers kom en gaan, niks bly dieselfde nie. Jou opponente leer om een-dimensionele spel te neutraliseer. Ander spanne is lankal beter, stukke beter, as jou geliefde Bulle. Ek wou jou terug komplimenteer en ook vra om groot te word, maar ons het jare gelede al opgegee op jou. Miskien moet ek jou net vra om 'n slag by te kom en van jou oogklappe ontslae te raak. Is dit te veel gevra? Wake up and smell the coffee, anders gaan jy 'n klomp goeie games mis hierdie jaar.

      Colin - 2012-02-07 15:10

      Wonderlik gestel. Ek dink daar is iets te sê oor die gees van die spel. Toe William Web-Ellis die eerste keer met 'n sokkerbal begin harloop het, het dit sekerlik nie gegaan oor hoe goed hy takties kan skop nie. Dit het gegaan oor die dra van die bal. Natuurlik sal mense wat net vir wen rugby speel die reëls uitbyt vir sogenaamde wen-rugby. Maar gelukkig word die reëls dan verander om dit teen te werk. En waar is die eendimensionele benadering nou ? As dit is wat grootword beteken (om alle avontuur prys te gee ter wille van 'n bekertjie op 'n kas) dan bly ek liewer klein en geniet my rugby. Dis PRESIES die probleem vandag : WEN ten ALLE koste.

  • Bootman - 2012-02-02 13:05

    When last did anyone give a flying @#$% what Smiegel from Lord of the rings has to say. Go and play with your "precious"

      Shistirrer - 2012-02-02 13:21

      ... Pierre Spies blow up doll?

      nico.strydom1 - 2012-02-02 16:19

      ...

  • Etienne - 2012-02-02 13:26

    JJ Harmse the most one eye subjective sports writer (not very good one) in the world. Who could of guest that you will be so angry when someone says something bad about your beloved Bulls. The prob is that the game changed since 2007 and kicking and chasing esp. against teams like Nz is not an good option anymore considering Dagg and co. Will Meyer be able to change I believe so. He should just do what PdV should have done drop boring M Steyn. He could not get a backline away against Aus when we had +65% of the possesion. Sorry but grow up JJ the Bulls style of old are no use anymore.

      nico.strydom1 - 2012-02-02 16:17

      :-) LoL yes Etienne, JJ is so bad that you couldn't catch what he said in changing when it should be done... through the changes he"Heyneke" continued with success. Oh and do you read the Rapport newspaper? seeing that you mos know how good JJ is... Yes, us Bulls supporters always whether our team was winning or loosing are listening or reading about jokes and remarks in being the top topic in whatever series, and yes it is not all the supporters but same here. Lets enjoy a wonderful series and blooming hope S.A teams kick but. oh and it is also always said that it is not the Bulls team people don't like, its the supporters so I know the story.

  • Sulaiman - 2012-02-02 13:32

    Really guys this article is not worth reading. All they want is for us to blog about how crap each others teams.This is really not news worthy. Fire all Sport24 commentators

  • Gideon - 2012-02-02 13:33

    Brilliantly said JJ ... they have the same mentality here in NZ ... you win, that's ALL that matters! You do whatever it takes, but results matter! And EVERYONE supports that vision, especially when it comes to the ABs ... the government and Mr John Key included!

  • Bootman - 2012-02-02 13:47

    Watch all the "fat" comments being deleted one at a time. Got a bit of a complex hey JJ.

  • paul.ramncwana - 2012-02-02 14:00

    Shame JJ you got nothing to write about now u attacking us STORMERS SUPPORTERS menopause are playing with your emotions. Step away from the fridge and start doing your research probably. CONGRATS 2 Mnr. Meyer I can see us winning many trophies with u in the future. WAS THAT GOOD ENOUGH FOR U JJ.

  • Nico - 2012-02-02 14:06

    Wow, talk about stereotyping. It’s like saying because you are fat and fugly, you should still be single. Sure one way of getting attention is shocking the readers. Have you ever thought that instead of doing any good you might just be making SA rugby supporters more divided. Yes some stormers fans have made the assumptions you are referring to, but so have supporters from other provinces. All that is going to happen now is that more people are going to say you are displaying typical “blue bull mentality”, but aren’t they stereotyping you then. I would like to say grow up, but I’m afraid you might take it literally, and you might finish up that "Boerswors gordyn" you hiding behind. Jy is ook maar party keer nes n donkie met oogklappe

  • Charl - 2012-02-02 14:30

    doesn't matter when it started or who the only sa team is that won it coz the crusaders will win it this year and show why thay are the most successful team in super rugby. and then the bulls and stormers can lick there wounds and wonder why.

  • Marius - 2012-02-02 14:36

    JJ well done, a bit bias but still you got the Stormers on their back feet! .. you got what you were looking for .. Stormer Supporters doesn't like the fact that they moan and groan and represent the "best" Franchise in SA, BUT absolutely nothing to show. All the other Franchises, come to think of it, has won something the past 10 years, Cheetas, Currie Cup, Sharks Currie Cup, Lions Currie Cup, Bulls Currie Cup, Super 14 .. Stormers, unfortunatly NONE!. You will find the remarks overwhelming kicking you behind the Boerewors Gordyn, but JJ my friend .. better than the land of the lost, the Fairest Cape, or rather the Cupless Cape ...

      Paul - 2012-02-02 15:47

      Eish, my baas! I was as nervous as a Bulls fan in a spelling bee!

  • nico.strydom1 - 2012-02-02 14:52

    Ja W.P Stormers... make it more personal cause that is now going to make the wrong in your eyes right hey. Wonder why the column was named Grow up...

      Craig - 2012-02-02 15:14

      So we must sit back and allow this fat ginga ninja to come talk absolute rubbish about us, so we can show you how "grown" up we are. Read the replies and the story from a nuetral side, and then come tell me who really needs to grow up

  • Bielie - 2012-02-02 15:07

    Dis nou 'n redelik onnodige dwarsklap na Stormers-ondersteuners, JJ. Alle spanne het goeie en slegte ondersteuners en jy, as profesionele joernalis (na bewering), is veronderstel om 'n objektiewe opinie te gee. Ek neem aan jy het die provokatiewe stellings gemaak omdat te min mense jou blog lees. Dis nie hoe mens dit doen nie. Jy doen dit deur goeie, deurdagte artikels te skryf. As jy kan. As jy nie kan nie, soek vir jou 'n ander job.

  • Pieter - 2012-02-02 15:37

    Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha The poor idiotic Stormers will never grow up. Watch ons diejaar, ja ma die ref, ja ma ons het die goue jare gehad, ja ma ons was dan op 'n stadium 3e op die log STORMERS= JOKERS OF WORLD RUGBY

      nico.strydom1 - 2012-02-02 16:27

      Pieter hoekom lees ons eers die rubbish comment's? Flip man die een "Laanie" dink hy raak meer persoonlik as die ander "laanie". Ja die mense kon nog nie genees van al die vorige wonde nie. Die manne dreig hom al tot met die vuiste... shame. Blaf maar mense, blaf maar.

      Leon - 2012-02-16 16:39

      ja ma laasjaar het ons bulls swak gespeel en baie veloor . pieter man dink jy regtig hulle gaan die jaar beter doen?????????????? En as jy van Jokers wil praat kyk na die pienk bulle, hier kom groot scores want bulle sal hul rokkies moet vashou.!!!!!!!!!

  • Jan - 2012-02-02 15:41

    JJ, jy bly vergeet dat Transvaal in 1993 die Super 10 titel gewen het ...

  • Johan - 2012-02-02 15:46

    JJ trek 'n Blou Bul Trui aan - dan neem ons 'n foto van jou en sit hom op hierdie blok!!!!! Die ouens vergeet gou van die jare wat die Stormers alleen in die top 4 op die Super Rugby logs ge eindig het terwyl hulle alleen baie meer games moes wen omdat die sukkelende Bulleties en Katte nerens op die log was nie....Ongelukkig het ons dit nie gewen in daardie jare nie...Maar so was dit ook maar net 'n wendrie in die 85ste minuut wat die Sharks beroof het na ongeoorloofde spel anders kom ons hulle dalk gekoon het as die top span in die Suidelike Half soos jy in jou artikel verwys... Groete

  • Colin - 2012-02-02 16:08

    The boks need to play a running game - the kicking game do have its place but it should not be the first option - I am a huge Morne Stey fan although I am a big Stormer supporter, but for us to be the best we need to select a flyhalf who can break the line, take on the defenders, effectively distribute the ball, make optimal use of our quality back and also yes to be able to kick like M Steyn - my opinion is that Elton Jantjies is a more rounded nr10 and H Meyer should consider him as his number one at 10.

  • Jason - 2012-02-02 16:26

    Harmse your article is just as childish as usual.. Either Meyer or Alistair deserved the job and either could have got it... Personally I feel Meyer will bore the socks off us but we'll win games and really that is all the South African support cares about. Now I know you'll have your bulls supporters arguing this point and will mention a couple of games that Bulls did score plenty of try's but they had been few and far between.

      Pieter - 2012-02-02 16:46

      @Jason our rugby guru How did Alistair deserve the job?

      Bulldozer - 2012-02-02 18:08

      Jason, jy lyk soos n bitterbek.

  • Mark - 2012-02-02 16:47

    I do not get this. Who cares where the coach comes from, as long as he does not embarrass himself, the team and the country, i, a stormers supporter, will be very happy. I just feel you dont like the stormers and therefore make these stupid comments. Not all of us, stormers, bulls, cheetahs, shark or lion, are what our own individual stereotypical make us out to be. It's like me to say "all you writers are idiots" but i know some of you are smart.

  • lmnci - 2012-02-02 16:47

    YOU are right about alot of thngs but where i tend to disagree with you is wen u say he wont change his style coz i believe thats is why he wont last the entire 4yrs. i look back at all his achievements wth the bulls and dont think that we have the same players to repeat the achievements of that team, that is why i dont believe he was the best man for the job. he wouldnt repeat that even with the current bulls team. 2 appoint him bok coach is setting him up for failure

      Marius - 2012-02-02 18:22

      @Imnci. He did not inherit the Bulls stars when he took over the coaching job with them. The Bulls were in deep trouble when he started there with no stars in their ranks. He turned normal rugby players into those legends with his coaching, as am sure he will do again as Springbok coach too.

  • Michael Fortune - 2012-02-02 18:05

    I disagree with you. I am a Stormers fan and I want them to win some silver wear at any cost. I think Meyer will be the best coach we have ever had because of who he is and what he makes his team believe that they will be the best.

  • Sherahn - 2012-02-02 19:12

    pressure = points = results...thats all that matters in the end,the coach will know which players are most affective to implement his gameplan,that is why he was appointed in the first place...as bok supporters we should not be worrying about which province our players represent but rather on backing any team that is put in the teamsheet because those are the guys that are representing our country,if you cannot do that then you should not consider yourself a springbok fan,its as simple as that...

  • Schalk - 2012-02-02 20:01

    I agree with Craig. Act your age not your mentality

  • Kevin - 2012-02-02 20:59

    harmse,you look like you are still wet behind the ears,you should not grow up but throw up,you have still a lot to learn on life boetie

  • Johann - 2012-02-02 21:44

    Guys just one question did this guy not have a loosing streak of 11 games in a row with the same so called unstopable bulls?Did i not listen to the endless moaning about how bad he was and they(bulls) must get rid of him!Well we can only go better i hope the coach that took the bulls to the cups and not the other arrives @ the party. oh by the way Go STORMERS!

  • Ryan - 2012-02-02 23:17

    JJ - Yes the style of play has won the bulls some trophies and Heyneke did well at the time. The reason the fans have expressed their doubt as it has become protracted and the rest of the world have caught up. It is now time to re-evaluate and adapt to a new style of play .... which the fans obviously don't think Heyneke is capable of doing! Its not Jet science boet!!

  • Leslie - 2012-02-03 08:08

    kom praat daai k*k hier in die kaap jj

      Johan Stals - 2012-02-03 08:28

      JJ Harmse, I have to read your bull every sunday in the Raport. We all know you are a huge bulls supporter but we all have an opinion so we read your crap. But this article is as unprofesional and bias as I have ever seen mate. You need to act beter than the blue painted, horn wearing, nose ring toting bulls supporter that we always see on tv. Not all bull supporters are common so don't criticise the Cape for one or two poeple that hit a raw nerve with you. Heyneke could handle the questions, why can't you?

      Johan Stals - 2012-02-03 08:28

      JJ Harmse, I have to read your bull every sunday in the Raport. We all know you are a huge bulls supporter but we all have an opinion so we read your crap. But this article is as unprofesional and bias as I have ever seen mate. You need to act beter than the blue painted, horn wearing, nose ring toting bulls supporter that we always see on tv. Not all bull supporters are common so don't criticise the Cape for one or two poeple that hit a raw nerve with you. Heyneke could handle the questions, why can't you?

  • david.j.payle - 2012-02-03 09:08

    JJ if the purpose of naming the title of your article "Grow up Stormers fans!" was to get a lot of hits then i'll say well played but if you really stand by that statement then you're just as ignorant and stupid as those stormers fans you're referring to!! Unless of course you know what EVERY Stormers fan thinks!! I'm a Stormers fan and a proud one at that but i also know that Meyer was the best candidate out there for the coaching job and deserves his chance to show our nation what he can offer us!! Any fan wants their team to win by 30 points, by 4 goals or by 6 wickets or 100 runs but show me a fan that will take a loss over an ugly win and i'll show you a fake one!! And NOWHERE in this article do you even explain why you called your article that bullsh*t name or why you had to single out Stormers fan as jealous teenagers!! Suprise me by not being a coward and explain yourself!!!

  • davidvanrooyen - 2012-02-03 11:19

    ... and what has any of the stormers coaches won? so by the way... the stormers is the ONLY team in super history that has lost two semi-finals at home... shameful!!!

      Craig - 2012-02-03 19:30

      And the bulls and lions are the only Super teams who have completed a entire Super season without a win. So shall we feel bad for loosing 2 semi's, or for not winning a single game