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Meyer spared quota fireworks

2012-04-03 11:04

I was genuinely surprised to see one of the Sunday newspapers feature SARU president Oregan Hoskins’s reference to transformation (in his address at the SARU AGM on Friday, March 30), on the front page. 

While the report focused on Hoskins’s warning to SARU’s provincial affiliates to heed the call for transformation or face sanction from government, I did not find this to be front page material at all.

I mean, how many times have we heard the same old story? The SARU president spelling out the organisation’s position on transformation and explaining its importance to the provincial affiliates, but (and this is a BIG BUT) with absolutely no clear action plan on how to ensure that it actually takes place. 

No, in fact, what we have had over the years is a rather laissez faire handling of this important societal imperative: only when there’s pressure from outside i.e. sponsors (ABSA in 2011) and government (the national minister of Sport’s recent threat to appoint transformation committees to monitor sport federations), is the president of SARU is mobilised into “action”.

Barring the odd comment every now and then, a letter (to provincial affiliates in 2011) and a speech (at the 2012 SARU AGM) has been the sum total of the federation’s “actions” to ensure the implementation of transformational objectives at provincial level.

The recent appointment of Heyneke Meyer as Springbok coach, though welcomed by many (including this author), has also been criticised by some for the “secretive” manner in which the appointment was made. 

While Meyer’s abilities as a coach are well-known, he has also attracted a lot of criticism in the past for his apparent disregard for matters transformational. So while Hoskins’s address at the AGM was aimed at the provincial structures, I would think that it that will also serve as a reminder to Meyer that transformation is an unavoidable and integral part of the Springbok coaching job.

Notwithstanding all of the above I still have some good news for the Springbok coach. 

He shouldn’t worry too much about his president’s warning on transformation or that he will be held to a stricter “quota” for the Springbok team. You see, this has all become part of the political gamesmanship we’ve seen in rugby’s transformational journey (which marks its 20th year this year) up to now. The process of transformation in rugby already started (supposedly) in 1992 when the sport was unified under a new non-racial dispensation (well on paper at least). Since then we have seen many SARFU and SARU presidents and Springbok coaches proclaim their commitment to transformation on countless occasions, only to let us down in the end - or just to be replaced by another president or coach that had to start afresh, but ended up with the same results. 

So Meyer shouldn’t despair at all. All he has to do is to map out a “clear plan”, pull a few promising black players into his “transformation plan” for the Springbok team over the next four years and he’ll be fine. After four years of selecting two or maybe three black players, he can hand over the team to the next coach that will follow the same process. All the coaches since unity got away with it so why not him?

This is sadly what “transformation” has become in rugby - a political game of numbers with no genuine plan or commitment from the leaders of the sport or to enforce a transformation code or agreement with its provincial affiliates.
 
You see; this is how it has been playing out: the president of SARU appeals to the provinces and their coaches to transform their teams; however, it remains the province’s prerogative on how they respond to this request as there is no sanction or rebuke for non-compliance.

So the Springbok coach can relax, there won’t be any fireworks on the transformation front any time soon.
 
Gary Boshoff is a former SARU player and current Afrikaans rugby commentator on SuperSport.

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  • John - 2012-04-03 11:13

    What transformation Gary, there is no doubt that there are enough players of colour performing well in enough to be in the Boks team without this same rhetoric about colour. Gary you should focus on writing about matters at hand such as big game this weekend Bulls vs Crusaders......

      steyts - 2012-04-03 13:40

      He is referring to the statement made in the Rapport where they say that the players has to be "ethnically black". In other words, probably only xhosa and zulu. Beast Mtawarira does not qualify as an ethnically black player because he is of Zimbabwean descent (hope the spelling is right). This means that colored players then also obviously don't form part the transformation as a quota player.

      adrien.mcguire - 2012-04-04 08:03

      Transformation is not done at the top of the sport, it is done at the bottom of the sport. Young players of colour should be given every opportunity to develop and test their skills. But when you reach Provincial and National level the best team MUST be fielded , irrespective of colour. At that level you make it on merit and merit alone. There is no space for token players at that level.The reasons are as follows; a) If we field second rate teams their will be no pride in having acheived at the highest levels. Players selected because of the colour of their skin will be shown up at that level, if they are not up to the level of the opposition. Take Earl Rose as an example. b) The sport will be killed by non-performance, spectators will move to other sports or just not bother to watch the games (Look at SA soccer). Sponsors will withdraw and the game as we know it will collapse. We have some very fine players of colour in this country (Habana, Ndungane twins, Aplon etc) They have made their places their own by pure skill and dedication. That is what we need in this country, skill and dedication not tokenism . I think I speak for almost all rugby supporters, and I mean those that love the sport, that they will flock to matches where our Provincial and National sides can stand proud against any opposition , no matter what the make up of the team is , as long as they are selected on merit.

      adrien.mcguire - 2012-04-04 08:09

      To continue, My warning to the powers that be.... Do not kill the golden goose.!!! If you alienate the fans, the sport will collapse like a pack of cards. Sponsors will pull back , there will not be the money to acheive your transformation aims. Be careful what you wish for, it might just happen.

      Paul - 2012-04-04 12:15

      i do not understand how writing about a game between Bull and Crusaders will help resolve this continues deliberate exclusion of black players in SA rugby. Nobody is saying players should be promoted to the springboks even if they do not deserve to be there. The question is whether SARU is prepared to advance development of black rugby players and what measures have they put into place to ensure rugby is accessible the poorest of the poor?

  • Kurt - 2012-04-03 11:18

    Same old, same old from Gary.... choose the person on there player ability and not the colour of there skin??? finish and klaar!!!

      Stormkaap - 2012-04-03 15:55

      No Kurt, it is no so simple. You may have all the yesses but its not so simple and a debate like this cannot be waged on blogs unfortunately.

  • Johan - 2012-04-03 11:30

    Gary, dis mos nie die waarheid dat Heyneke hom nie aan transformasie gesteur het nie! In sy tyd by die Bulle was die span die voorloper in SA in hierdie opsig!

      Terence - 2012-04-03 11:59

      They were also the most succesful team during this period.

      alexander.garber - 2012-04-03 16:48

      Ek stem toe 100%! Gary Boshof praat baie k** in hierdie artikel. Wat bedoel hy, "to enforce a transformation code or agreement with its provincial affiliates"? Moet die provinsies swart spelers kies of nie? As 'n Springbokafrigter genoeg swart spelers kies -- maar nie swart van Zimbabwe of kleurling, net die regtige soort swart -- dan speel hy die numbers game. As hy nie genoeg swart spelers kies, dan hy moet verklaar waarom hy die Transformation Code nie afdwing nie. Daar is baie goeie swart spelers in Suid Afrika, en as hulle goed genoeg is dan sal hulle word gekies. Ek wonder elke keer ek lees die soort artikel waarom dit so bemoeilik is.

  • Lionel - 2012-04-03 11:33

    A very interesting situation is gonna develop between Bissie and Chilliboy,who does Meyer pick????

      Ndira - 2012-04-03 11:55

      very interesting indeed both great players

      Jason - 2012-04-03 13:39

      Lionel, howzit! very tough choice, Chilliboy has incredible leadership qualities but Bizzie is awesome to. Both will be in the team and I think if they are rotated nicely and kept fresh (too much rugby being played) then we will have an awesome hooker pairing. Dont forget Tiaan, i know i know, but he has made more runs over the advantage line this season, chili has made more steals than the other two, and Bismarck is an awesome scrummager. 3 very good hookers that I would be happy to have in my Springbok squad.

      steyts - 2012-04-03 13:42

      Bismarck and Adriaan Strauss will once again have to be under someone that is not as good as them... It is a real shame that two such brilliant players just can't play where they belong...

      Lionel - 2012-04-03 13:57

      Hey Jason,Tiaan is making huge strides but don't think he will get the nod ahead of Chilli and Bissie,theres also Adriaan Straaus from the Cheetahs who is an excellent leader and player!!!

      Jason - 2012-04-03 14:42

      Yes of course Straaus! how could i forget! If the Cheetahs start slipping and losing some games then he may fall off the Radar! Great player but you need your team to shine. I am a little worried about this talk of foreign based players that going around. I think Mayer should be looking closer to home, especially the way some of these youngsters are playing!

      Lionel - 2012-04-03 15:52

      Jason,that was my point yesterday,Meyer should build towards 2015,forget players like Fourie Du Preez and Danie Rossouw,theres more than enough talent at scrummie and lock/flank to cover for those two!!!

      Morne - 2012-04-03 15:52

      I think with modern game and pace there will be place for both the question will remain who will make the biggest impact from the bench I think this is what he will base his starting player on

      Stormkaap - 2012-04-03 15:58

      There we go..Bissie is clearly the no 1 hooker presently. But IMO Chilli played better than Strauss and liebenberg IMO didnt desrve MOM against the Bulls. Tht should have gone to Etsebeth. Chilli played far better Liebenberg on the day coming from a Stormer!

      Sean - 2012-04-04 01:21

      I like Chilliboy and all the other guys you have mentioned , one you forgot , Joshua Strauss :) I rate him high .

  • Ndira - 2012-04-03 11:54

    you cant expect transformation at national level when you dont see it at provincial level,what SARU needs to do(if they are serious about transformation) is to monitor the gap between high school rugby and provincial rugby because you see these promising black & coloured players at high school level e.g craven week then all of a sudden they disappear,where are they? coz i dont even see them playing in the varsity cup.The problem is there is no sense of urgency from SARU and government, having a black coach, a black SARU president or playing a rugby game in soweto is not transformation!!!!

      Jason - 2012-04-03 13:43

      Im sorry but i dont agree with forced transformation. There are fantastic black players coming through the ranks that will be in the Springbok Squad. Will the politicians only be happy when all players are black, im sorry but where does that leave us as White rugby players. I support the player no matter the skin colour, but i would be hard pressed to support forced transformation.

      Lionel - 2012-04-03 13:55

      Agreed@Jason,regardless of skin colour I will support you if you are good enough!!!!!!!

      Stormkaap - 2012-04-03 16:09

      Jason, Ndira has got it 100% correct. lets look at the Stormers where Francis and Van Aswegen are vying for the flyhalf berth. In all the games Van Aswegen was pedestrian and played, at best, average. When Francis played he looked sharper, backline moved snappier and kicked well. Yet AC/Fleckie did not give Francis enough opportunity to cement his place in the hope that VAswegen may come right. Grant came along and still V Aswegen gets the nod ahead of Francis for the bench even though the formbook suggests otherwise. This thinking unfortunately permeates from school level right through to national level. WE saw how Rassie constantly ignored Aplon yet gave a has been like Welsh opportunities on the wing and we saw how rassie ignored a talent like Cronje and continually played De Waal. And I can go on and on about players who are not afforded opportunities. Watch how Nizaam Carr who played as a fetcher in the Varsity Cup with distinction, is a great carrier and better ball skills than more illustrious players including Schalk and Spies get limited if any opportunities.

      Morne - 2012-04-03 16:20

      even old stormkaap has missed the point here it is easy to point fingers have any one come up with a solution no but we can complain. how about starting to improve training and facilities in our junior ranks then the best will come through wont they, but to say this player that player this coach that coach I think is so easy it for example Francis cant tackle that is why they don't pick him so what now we still have not solved the problem so please lets work on a solution it is easy to complain maybe if you spent half the time thinking of solution we would not have this conversation

      Jason - 2012-04-03 17:43

      I didn't disagree, i said i don't agree with forced transformation! Merit Merit Merit!! There is something else you need to look at! In the UK rugby is predominantly played at private schools and Universities. Soccer is played at public schools! It has always been that way. Here in SA it pretty much works the same way with guys finishing school heading off to Uni and continuing with the same spirit and tradition! Young black kids grew up watching Soccer, they want to play Soccer! All im saying is you cant force it, as the young black and colored kids come through the ranks of "rugby playing schools" they will be there. Its already happening. Does not need to be forced. As for Fleckie I can promise you he wants to win at all costs and would never leave a guy down because of the color of his skin. Alistair Coetzee would never allow it. ....................and breath!

      Stormkaap - 2012-04-03 22:19

      Morne, you still dont get it. If you dont go to Paul Roos, Paarl gim, Bishops, RBHS etc where there are facilities doesnt mean you will be better. The purpose of a coach@ junior level is to coach, teach the skills and spot the rough diamond, polish it and send it on. The Cape flats is rich with a rugby playing heritage at junior level, yet we see little if any of that talent come thru. and its not ONLY about facilities(yes that is IMPORTANT). The issue that Gary raises is about getting enough opportunity to settle in which is NOT being afforded to a lot of players of color UNFORTUNATELY. And you can talk all you like this is not happening at VC, CC and S15 level. You say Francis cant tackle is rubbish, Coleman IMO is a better tackler and distributor that V Aswegen. Why then give Francis a contract if he cant tackle. Rubbish.. Of the best flyhalves that ever wore a Springbok jersey, Naas Botha, couldnt tackle. neither can Cooper and Butch James cant tackle either, yet James wore the Springbok jersey on many occaisons. So you missed the point. If a player has been afforded the same opportunities and failed then he aint good enough.. period. Key phrase..'afforded the same opportunities'

      Stormkaap - 2012-04-03 22:23

      Jason, dont stereotype saying soccer is what black kids always grew up with.. yes correct in some areas, but in the Eastern and western Cape, black rugby has a rich heritage, very rich.. As for Fleckie, IMO he has had two years to develop that backline has has not quite produced the goods and AC is not holding him to account.. If you can catergorically say that the Stormers backline play has improved in these years, frankly I havent seen it. Glimpses yes, few and far between but not as consistent as with past WP teams who were known for good running rugby!

  • Sharksfever - 2012-04-03 11:58

    Neither Meyer nor the public give a damn what you say. I cannot think of one coach that wouldn't fill his team with colour if they are the best in their position, regardless of the colour. All coaches and provincial franchises are worried about is winning and being financially successful. Nothing else.

  • alecjackson2183 - 2012-04-03 12:02

    Gary, it is very easy to point out what has not been done, what exactly is your recommendation on how to transform the national side? If you were bok coach who would you rather play? Would you really put a black player in the bok team while both you knowing he is not there on merit then seem get destroyed and disappear out of rugby. Please rather stick to commenting on actual rugby games and not som much throwing stones to a problem there is currently NO solution to!!!!!!

      abri.coetzer - 2012-04-03 13:24

      Alec, what are you on about.

      Stormkaap - 2012-04-03 16:13

      Alec, would you put any player in the Bok team knowing that they dont deserve to be there. Let me remind of one such player who had 32 opportunities at Springbok level(Wynand Olivier), never wore the jersey with distinction yet had so many opportunities. If Januarie( and he had far more good games and the odd blemish) had to make as many mistakes as this oke did he would have been out on his ear a long time before he had 32 opportunities.

      alecjackson2183 - 2012-04-03 17:54

      Stormkaap, there will always be players who certain coaches take a liking to. Wynand is a classic example of a guy that received too many caps as a result of Jake White seeing something more in him! Also just as you see Januarie as a player with minimal blemishes I see him again as an overweight and over rated player who was merely on the bench to fulfill the quotas imposed. Give me an example of a player of colour that should have gone to this recent WC instead of a white player? There are also no white players I wouldve had in place of a black one. The problem is there arent enough players of colour for the bok coach to select from, so dont make him the problem, and that goes for SARU and Gary as well!!!

      Stormkaap - 2012-04-04 09:58

      Alec again a little short sighted and you know little about developement, probably except what u read and opinion but probably never 'worked' at grassroot levels. Is Spies in your opinion as overrated Januarie. I am not making a case of whether januarie is fat or what, but he has never let the Bokke down when he has pulled on the jersey. The issue is not about color per se rather about who gets enough opportunities and are players of color afforded the same opportunities. I can say with certainty that they dont. What is clear that coaches @ VC level and CC dont afford those players the chance to shine. Go and watch club rugby and see the talent that just passes by the wayside. A typical example was Caterkilis for WP, who, if he didnt play for UCT @ Varsity Cup would never have seen WP side and would still be playing for False bay club rugby. Ditto for many players of color

      alecjackson2183 - 2012-04-04 11:41

      I actually do think Januarie let the team down, he may not have disgraced himself but that is not the Springbok ethos.... you dont play for SA do be 'adequate'.... you are there because you are exceptional. That is the problem with quotas, everyone knows there is someone better and it reflects poorly on the Boks. I agree 100% about grass root level and thats what this article should have been about, not Gary being sarcastic at the Springbok selection process. Heyneke can only choose what is available to him. I think this article is poorly written and the focus is on the wrong people and processes! Gary has a chip on his shoulder and it is influencing his writing!

  • colin85 - 2012-04-03 12:07

    Chilli has a case to be captain - De Jongh should be outside center, wingers are coloured, and there is a case for Elton on the bench and Kolisi bench too so there is a chance that there is: Beast Chilli Habana / Mvovo Pietersen / Aplon De Jongh Bench: Kolisi elton J so that is 7 out of 22.

      steyts - 2012-04-03 13:45

      Only chilliboy, Kolisi and Mvovo will be considered as quota players since they are the only players there that are ethnically black (in other words they have to be xhosa, zulu or any other black ethnic group from RSA). Colored players and beast (because he is of Zimbabwean descent) does not fall under the new transformation plan. That makes it 3 out of 22, which is not enough unfortunately.

      Jason - 2012-04-03 17:49

      Force transformation and place players that are not up to scratch, what happens??? we lose and keep losing, losing teams drops in world rankings, sponsors pull out and tri nations no longer includes the Boks! No TV coverage! we end up playing south american countries for a wild card spot in the world cup as a former image of a once proud team. YOU CANT FORCE IT!!! it must be done at grass routes level.

      Sean - 2012-04-04 01:24

      They shouldn`t put Kolisi in the Bok team just yet , let him play super rugby and currie cup for another year , he is a great player for the future

  • Marcus - 2012-04-03 12:09

    long and short of it , TRANSFORMATION SE GAT if you good enough then colour wont matter . if you take it it has been 20 years now so kids that was 5 years old and played rugby is now 25 the best time in any persons rugby career . So if you are not good enough now youwont be good enough in another 20 years.

      Stormkaap - 2012-04-03 16:14

      Marcus.. its about biased opportunities some players get over others. Open your eyes first

  • evdwesthuizen1 - 2012-04-03 12:11

    Hey Gary, as you can see, no one is interested in the crap you write. The Bokke MUST always be at full strength. So if a Black player is the best in his position, he MUST be the obvious choice to represent our country. Same as a white player. Let our Springbok rugby not be about colour, but about being the best! I have no problem with the team compromising all black players, as long as they are the best and win the trophies. Unlike Bafana Bafana.

  • Lionel - 2012-04-03 12:17

    Gary,enlighten us a bit on Bafana Bafana!!!

  • Keith - 2012-04-03 12:18

    South African Rugby do not have a problem with transformation; but rather with attitudes. There are enough quality players of colour. Some coaches tend to give more chances to white players as to players of colour. The media also entrench this attitude in how they reporting on different players.The Johan Goosen issue is a point in case.Goosen is now seen as the natural replacement for Morne.Elton despite a number of sterling performances are just subtly pushed aside by the media. In the hooker position we're having three strong contenders namely Bissy; Chilliboy and Strauss to deputise.I'm agreement that transformation must be done, but merit must also be important.

      Jason - 2012-04-03 13:49

      Merit is all important, and Goosen is currently leading the tournament in a number of different individual areas, so you cant say the press is racist. Come on people, the young kids that matriculated last year are the first "born Free" babies, they don't know an apartheid South Africa, and here we are 18 years later discussing transformation in Rugby! You wanna see transformation??? Just look at the hard core, bop pense beer drinking brandy gargling Dutchman in the stands screaming for Chilliboy....................... that's transformation!

  • Gareth - 2012-04-03 12:24

    WE have more than enough black rugby talent that deserves a spot in the green and gold for this whole article not to matter!!! Meyer will be stupid not to inclued the outstanding provincial players of colour! Such as the likes of J.P Pietersen, Siya Kolisie, Beast, de Jong, Aplon, JET SHOES Mvovo, Ndengani, Jantjies to name only the Top of the Top!!! Gary you know just how to write stupid articles! We more than enough talent so that we DONT have to choose based on color!!!

  • Plato Pravda - 2012-04-03 14:13

    why not assemble a team of white players and a team of black players? then, let them battle it out and pick the team accordingly!!!

      Stormkaap - 2012-04-04 10:01

      Yeah Plato.. what a childish response.. perhaps yoou would like to go back to the days of the Coloured rygby Federation and have a lily white team for the Bokke, because in your mind that is the solution.. racist no doubt! And i am sure you have lots of black and coloured friends

  • neil.j.gailis - 2012-04-03 14:35

    I am tired of hearing the same crap come out of the sport's editors on colour transformation when our own soccer team are all BLACK!!!

      Kamohelo - 2012-04-03 15:45

      neil.j.gailis. you fool. Have ever heard of Mark Tovey, Mark Fish...these are white players that have captained and been stalwarts of the national soccer side. In apartheid there were many white players in the PSL. In fact there where teams that were majority white. There is no racial discrimination in soccer. Many of the nations best players are coloured (McCarthy, Pienaar). And most of the PSL coaches are white. And the PSL's CEO is white.

      Sean - 2012-04-04 01:30

      @Kamohelo - SA Soccer is a bloody joke , no need to say more !

  • Morne - 2012-04-03 15:41

    I must agree with John we have many players colour to pick, I must just add that I think the amount of energy wasted on this topic, if they spend half the time promoting the sport in rural areas and giving them the facilities to improve we would have many more payers to pick from I am still a strong believer in pick on form and not on race and start improving our junior chances and we might have more success I will bet that if this happens we will never hear the word transformation again because the best will then rise to the top no matter there race

  • David - 2012-04-03 15:45

    I am so sick of the media going on and on about transformation al we ever hear from you Gary is colour in the Springbok team maybe they must play in pink (for some colour) why don’t you stop writing something positive for a change, we are in the middle of the super 15 and we had one of the best games last weekend at Nuweland. JUST STOP YOU NEGATIVE WRITING!!!!!!!!!!

  • Stef - 2012-04-03 17:02

    "This is sadly what “transformation” has become in rugby - a political game of numbers with no genuine plan or commitment from the leaders of the sport or to enforce a transformation code or agreement with its provincial affiliates" - hahahaha. You, Mr Boshoff.....no wait, Gary, are the reason why so-called ethnic black rugby players disappear from the rugby scene after school.........the youth (born after 1990) of South Africa are not stupid like you.....they DO NOT want the lable that they were chosen for a team just because they are "ethnically black". They want to be in a team on merit!. Most of the respondents to your very poor article said that they will support ANY player - black (coloured, indian?), ethnically black (make of that whatever you like) or white - as long as he is in the team ON MERIT!. Is it a presumption that some of your cronies will benefit with selection if the better player - who happens to be white - is not chosen due to the colour of his skin?......in the year 2012??. Will you be happy with a Springbok team who gets nailed game after game because they are not chosen on merit Gary?. Tell me Gary, which leftwinger is currently better than Mvovo?.......no-one!!!.....and he's black.....now go tell Aplon he can't be selected on leftwing because he is not ethnically black.....I dare you!!.

      Tosan - 2012-04-03 18:02

      It is a fair question to ask, Why are the numbers at U20 not translating to the Upper Ranks?

  • Kamohelo - 2012-04-03 17:52

    So most SA rugby teams went from Zero players of colour to two or three on the pitch. And yes, how many of those are ethnically black? Currently in the whole Super Rugby tourney there is maybe 7 e.g Kolisi, Ndungane (2), Mvovo, Ralepelle, Nyakane, Ntubeni.... 7 out of around 110 positions. That is 6%. And 0% of the above listed players will be in the first fifteen for a crucial SA rugby match. If the SA under 20 team can have around 25% ethnically black payers and perform well on the world stage then i don't see whats stopping Super Rugby franchises from doing the same.

      Jason - 2012-04-03 18:21

      So by your post im led to believe that you would prefer a sub standard Springbok team as long as it is the correct ethnic ratio???

      Sean - 2012-04-04 01:38

      @Kamohelo - It is a massive step from under 20 rugby to senior level and believe you me , good young black players have a great advantage over white young players , all the unions want them to fullfill the quota sh@t !!

      fred.pohl - 2012-04-04 12:26

      Kamohelo, how do you get 6%?. Obviously, your political rhetoric distorts your mathematical ability.

  • Tosan - 2012-04-03 18:04

    What do people feel is the reason for the difference between the numbers at the U20 level and the senior ranks?

      Jason - 2012-04-03 18:23

      Players want different things. Some of the young Colored guys who do so well in the junior ranks cant make the step up because of size. There are lots of white guys who do incredibly well in the lower age groups but never make the step up, its just more obvious with black and colored players because there are fewer of them playing rugby!

      Kamohelo - 2012-04-03 22:03

      Its funny how people believe a racist institution such as South African rugby can go from racist to fair and balanced on its own.

      Sean - 2012-04-04 01:34

      @Tosan - Many young white players leave the counrty at a young age to further their careers elsewhere .

      Stormkaap - 2012-04-04 10:04

      Jason now you are talking rubbish.. size. Typical response. Why then do two players then punch well above their weight in this stakes.. Aplon and De Jongh. Your argument doesnt hold

  • malcolm.molver - 2012-04-04 08:45

    Thanks Sport24 for deleting my comment! Guess we're not allowed to expose Gary for the racist he is. Gary, you're the worst columnist on this site. I'd prefer biased JJ Harmse to you.

  • fred.pohl - 2012-04-04 10:19

    If you want to know what the word "contradiction' implies, you merely have to read the rubbish above!

  • 1703mal - 2012-04-04 10:48

    Interesting that in the year of a World cup, the politicians do not talk a lot about transformation and numbers of black players - don't want to miss the "soustrein" flights and parties in foreign country. The moment the world cup is over, the debate starts again.

  • Attie - 2012-04-04 11:04

    Gary, I respect your views on rugby in general but government is famous for fixing things/processes that are not broken and then claim success - to score political points. Over the last 20 years I have seen a huge number of positive changes in RUGBY, with several international successes. Don't you think (1) government should rather focus on our embarassing National Soccer setup, and (2) I honestly want to know how you see a Transformned SA RUGBY SPORT i.e what must still be done ?. Adrian

  • Craig - 2012-04-04 20:28

    Seriously Gary, does anyone else other than you still give a flying f*ck what the clour make-up of the team is? Aren't we all just desperate to see a winning Springbok team? if every last joe bloggs of them was Shona, White, English, Coloured, Afrikaans, Matabele, Taureg, Spanish, or gay, I for one would not care a jot as long as they were winning.

  • chr12s - 2012-04-04 21:15

    What is all this fuss about colour mr Gary if you look at the top sides in our country u will see there is no colour problem u like to make it every team is fielding brilliant black players whitc I doubt any white player can be better so open your eyes and be more positive I am sure if the players are there they will be selected on merrit The teams are going for winning or nothing Why will they select the Habanna or Basson or Raliphele if they were not the best and tht is for all the other black players in the teams so stop coming with your crap about black players you just run down the players tht is selected tht they are not good enough they only there to satisfy SARFU and the Goverment You talk the biggest lot of crap I ever saw

  • chris83p - 2012-04-08 10:44

    This is ridiculous... Once again the quota story gets thrown about! Transformation starts at the bottom! How the F can you construct a building by constructing the roof first and then doing the foundation. SARU is to blame if the transformation system has not been a success. In my opinion there is enough so-called "black" talent coming through to be drafted into the Springbok squad e.g. Gurthro Steenkamp, Beast, Habana, Juan de Jongh, Lwazi Mvovo, Bjorn Basson, Siya Kolisi and the list goes on. I am a 28yr old so-called person of colour; but in all honesty this is a load of bull. If the best 15 were all white or alternatively all black; I would support the team but it has to be the 15 selected on merit and not based on skin colour. SARU and the ANC should get over this crap and start focusing solving problems in the country and in sport at grass root level.

  • Michael - 2012-04-17 22:16

    I was invited to a luncheon talk in Pietermaritzburg sometime back, sitting at our table on my immediate right was a memeber of the local press. The guest speaker; honerable Mr Oregan Hoskins. During the post question and answer session, after Mr Hoskins talk, a question was asked. 'Do you think the Sharks will move from ABSA stadium across to Moses Mabidha'? The answer I heard was; 'Yes, they will have to move across to Moses Mabidha, the ABSA stadium is not in a suitable condition to stage matches'. Mr Hoskins' comments were duely noted in the press, the following day. The day after that, a rebuttal piece was printed, stating that's not what he (Mr Hoskins) meant. I was absolutely confused, I was certain of what I had heard, was ceratin that the jounalist had translated the speech accurately. So naturally, I remain extremely sceptical regarding quotes, comments and talks given by politicians, especially where 'transformation' is the main topic.

  • Blue - 2012-04-25 12:23

    Gary the racist...Yaaaawwwwn

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